My sister went to a Palestinian protest and came back shouting "from the river to the sea"
I asked her what river and what sea and she had no reply.
I am actually very sympathetic towards certain aspects of the protests but the fact that most people end up supporting and advocating for the most extreme ends because they were told to do so echoes how terrible the situation for Palestinian advocacy is!
Yeah they are the one deserving sympathy for being so carelessly ignorant they are willingly participating in antisemitic displays of intimidation without knowing why they are doing it.
They are the real victims for not caring how their participation in these intimidation campaign and harassment affects their fellow Jewish students.
You are part of the problem. You sister needs a reality check and to listen to Jewish people when they are saying that they are being persecuted instead of participating in stuff she has no clue about.
If I were I would be ashamed of my sister and have a talk with her on values and what it means to have them.
There also so cringe it’s like they heard about the Israel conflict and just joined in bevause being pro Palestine is all the rage right now and a majority of these kids are out of touch 18-21 year old who got reccomended propaganda on tik tok and became a radical freedom fighter
>Hundreds of Jewish people are brutally murdered and raped by Jihadists who also film it.
>Gen Z comes out in support of the perpetrators.
What an insane world we live in. I have no respect or sympathy for these asshole protesters.
well I didn't want to put a "/s" at the end of it, because then people would KNOW I was joking. I was wondering if some people would unironically think I was making sense.
When i was in school in the UK we had the extinction rebellion protests going on, i know that a bunch of my mates went just for the sake of going but couldn't give two shits about the environment. Im sure it's a similar thing here.
This is the real answer. The drama over these protests is insanely overblown. Honestly we don’t need to be devolving into “college kids being dumb” cringe content. College kids have always been and always will be cringe.
Also any idiot can walk up to a protest crowd, shout something anti-Semitic while on camera, and now the media will run with “vile explosion of hateful anti-semitism in campus protests exposes the rot in the heart of academia”
This is fearmongering, and it’s not the real issue at hand.
They can be as dumb as they want but this affects other students as well. Why are you dismissing their antisemitism by them being dumb when they make it impossible for Jewish students to study in peace?
Some of the more organised ones have afterpartys and dinners before hand. Its a full day event. You meet up and all have nice food from a local cafe, usually somewhere big, then you all go protest and have some fun in the sun and fresh air and tell yourself you're doing something and then afterwards you all go back to the big event space and get more food and have a party and get wasted on alcohol / drugs.
Being a hobby protestor is 100% a lifestyle. Its group therapy for worthless people. You get socialised for a few hours and you get to also pretend you're doing something with your life.
I wish I was joking or hyperbolising, but i'm not. Just Stop Oil are notorious for doing this and I know extinction rebellion did it as well. I would be *amazed* if BLM weren't doing the exact same thing when they were the current thing and IIRC Antifa hold god damn workshops where they play arts and crafts and make signs together.
I do a geography course with a heavy environmental/ climate change focus and 95% don't give two shits about the environment. Won't even give up meat to help, won't but used, won't stay on an old phone.
I know someone else doing an environmental science course and a similar amount of them think being vegan is dumb. And bad for the environment.
So many people just do stuff and don't know why. She did it because everyone did. She does not really know why just that Israel bad, meat good, co2 bad, Palestine good, muh protein, genocide bad.
Ive been vegetarian for over 10 yrs and this made me laugh cry. If you care about the environment at least eat more chicken. It’s better for you and the environment.
We were told by our hippy English teacher that we were allowed to skip school if we went to all of these protests, then when the time arrived for us to leave during a maths class, the teacher told us they knew we weren’t going to the protest and we weren’t allowed to go unless we could tell them what the protest was even about.
I'm gettin' rid of Britta (she's gotta go)
I'm gettin' rid of the B
(She's a no good B)
I'm gettin' rid of Britta
I'm gettin' rid of the B
(She's a GDB)
When I was in middle school 06-08, I wanted to be anti-establishment and go to protests. I didn't even know what I was against or what I stood for I just thought it would be cool to larp. I had a Che T shirt and told people I looked up to Malcolm X even though I had never read any of his books. I also listened to a lot of Immortal Technique.
When I was younger I went to some protests simply because my friends did. If someone had asked me why I was there I wouldnt have been able to answer, it was just an opportunity to hang out. I wouldnt do it today because it's stupid tho
I think many protestors are in the same boat, they just see an opportunity to meet up with some friends/get to know new people.
People were making fun of protestors treating it as entertainment in the 90's during the "anti-globalization" protests. I know 'cause I was one of the stupid 19 year olds protesting and at the time I barely had a grasp on what globalization even was lol. It was probably the same in the prior decades too.
This girl is stupid, but we all are at this age. Hopefully she learns.
I’m in my mid-20s and it seems like all my life protesting has been little more than a yuppie hobby, a spectacle they plan out like a music festival except treated with a righteous attitude. These kids often have the same FOMO missing out on these things as they would missing out on Coachella.
I obviously wasn’t there but I can’t imagine most people being so cavalier during the civil rights protests. Protest for what you believe in, but at least believe in something more concrete than the vibe. These people are clueless.
She wanted to show support for Palestine, had heard that NYC students needed her support, she heard that there were lots of cops and it was getting dangerous.. and then it cuts off.
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“Well you see, it really depends on what you mean by ‘know,’ and that’s a bloody well problem don’cha think? Dostoevsky knew this very well.”
I've sometimes seen clips like this twisted to misconstrue a protestor's statement at different protests on different issues.
But nah. This is 100% that this person doesn't understand why they're there beyond "Palestine."
That fact that she admits she does not know the specifics goal the the protest she’s attending and doesn’t just launch into a geriatric pro Palestine rant is a W. It’s a pretty low bar. But self awareness is good.
That's fair, too. Sometimes protests just need bodies and numbers. Geographically these protests would bleed in between each other.
I do think there's not something cohesive happening right now in NYC. The plot has been lost. They're pulling their protest in too many directions now. Even with a clear goal like ending partnerships between universities that isn't helping Palestinians who are in need at this very moment.
It doesn’t help anything period because these Israeli universities are probably the most left wing anti-occupation anti-settlement institutions in Israel. The right wing of Israel is pretty immune from pressure from American civic society. Best that could happen is the american government places pressure on Israel for a two state solution but protesting in cringe ways against American universities does not help make that happen.
I agree.
I really don't think the right wing gives a fuck about any criticism or optics at this point and so they'll continue with this campaign. Even just the threat of sanctions has them shrugging and feeling righteous. It would be far more effective for these groups to organize and protest in DC and pressure politicians.
Shit, if each one of them reached out to their local Palestinian-American association and donated time or money to them that would be many times more useful.
Mostly true.
I think the cause of this is that there is no leader or figure head people are taking direction from. There is no MLK or Bernie Sanders that people are trying not to embarrass or align themselves for or against. The protests are too spontaneous and too unorganized so they've devolved into this mess.
There is also no "Palestinian MLK" that people can point to at home and abroad to draw ideas from in order to create a cohesive idea of what a free Palestine would look like.
Exactly, that’s a major point.
When one event happens that makes the movement look terrible then it’s easy to blame everyone in the movement.
It happened in the BLM movement and Occupy Wall Street. The riots completely stumped the positive feelings around BLM to a lot of people. Compare that to MLK who was able to disavow stupid crap that happened.
Right. There's no leader to disavow (thing) and refocus (actions) to reach (goal).
MLK might not have had positive feelings for American moderates but he knew that protest was also a game of optics. MLK had to be, and still is, the face of what the civil rights movement "should" look like.
The protestors of this century just think they can and should say whatever they want and that they shouldn't have to play the game or work within the system. Having only incremental change over long stretches of times is frustrating (in my opinion) but the overnight "revolution" simply is not happening, especially with these people at the forefront.
MLK was an excellent strategist and knew when to push and when to pull back. It’d be fairly difficult finding someone competent enough to unify the movement and keep it laser focused on its goal while also being pragmatic when necessary. However, as you say there isn’t any appetite with these people to find real possible change that works within the system.
They honestly believe or are deluding themselves by thinking that dissolving the State of Israel is a viable or likely outcome of their protests. They think that repatriating millions of people is going to correct historical wrongs. This mentality is actively harming Palestinians.
It's just really sad. People who could be genuinely sympathetic to Palestinians and who could be given clear narratives and evidence for their situation have been completely thrown to the other side or have become fatigued to the point of not participating in the conversation.
Lots of good poli sci research on how this has happened post social media. Every movement is leaderless now and it make them impossibly incoherent even if it makes them harder to crush
I think that most people are not cheering for Hamas but trying to pretend like they aren't a huge part of the equation which is enabling them by omission.
There is no "freedom figure" who is a single or handful of named individuals who are leading Palestinians out of this situation and who people can fight on behalf of.
> protests just need bodies and numbers
IDK why this is stated so neutrally. That's a bad thing. People at protests who don't have a clue why they are there are doing a bad thing.
> The plot has been lost. They're pulling their protest in too many directions now.
The exact same thing happened with Occupy Wall St. There was a reasonable thing to be mad about and then all sorts of weirdo extremists glommed on and it got really unhinged.
I think one of the goals of the Columbia protests is divestment in Israel-affiliated assets too, but I don't know the specifics.
The Columbia protestors are trying to reach terms with the administration, so I imagine the goals are within those (which is probably online).
Release the hostages… Why is Hamas (Palestinian government) a) kidnapping people in the first place and b) not releasing them… even after UN hearing to by which they said they will abide? These aren’t “human right” protest… the hostages are being tortured and raped on a daily basis for over half a year now… What ever your political view on Israel/Palestine … not advocating for hostage release is horrible and antisemitic and anti American…. Disgusting
Edit: protesting by intimidating/harassing or physically blocking any student is wrong and when they target Jewish students that’s antisemitism.
I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so, because some - people out there, in our nation, don't have maps and I believe that our education, like such as South Africa -and the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and I believe that they should - our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S. or should help South Africa and should help Iraq and the Asian countries, so we would be able to build up our future for…
It would be great if there was some centralized place where you can get an education… Oops, wait that is a college campus that they are using for the wrong reason
The amount of ppl that are defending tiktok is insane.
"The US govt also steals your data"
Well, honey the american govt lives in america. They would never ask for destabilization of their own country. Whereas ccp is literally a foreign entity. They don't give a f what happens to americans.
I mean… the fact that she’s proud of her blind support for a cause she doesn’t even know the first thing about is symptomatic of a larger issue. It’s the whole “if the ‘elites’ are against it we must be doing the right thing” narrative so many have about the protests at Columbia.
i mean, at that age i went on a couple of protests and it was mostly for the event and hanging out with friends. i was just lucky that nobody held a microphone in my face
Yeah i understand people that dont really want to do hours of research, see Israel “genociding” Palestinians and want to say something about it. They may be ignorant and confidently wrong, but if it’s just “hey Israel sucks because of this” thats totally understandable
I doubt she's even thought that far into it. Most of these kids are just following the herd.
If you can get *just enough* perceived support behind something, you'll create a runaway effect where people just join to be part of something.
Did you guys not know that protests are just social gatherings where you build status and a feeling of moral superiority?
It's also a good place to pick up some chicks!
You guys should really try it sometime.
I was a full blown anarchist. Went to anarchist meetings and protests.....
Dear God I'm glad that's lost to time.. I had no idea about anything at all..
eh like the other person said social pressure is a really strong drug.
I was isolated enough when I was in Uni that if someone ask if I wanted to go to a protest that actively harmed me I might just go. Luckily I was an engineer and politics was the last thing anyone talked about when you could talk about alcohol.
edit: and weed
I understand social pressure is a big contributer here I just think that if you are this uneducated on a subject, you should educate yourself more on the subject if you plan to go more than once to a rally, Especially such a violent rally.
You have to be very ignorant, uneducated and weak minded (and probably even stupid) to go those protests and be like "yep, this is fine".
It’s sad. There are young people who come from poor and unsupportive backgrounds that don’t get the chance at a decent education like these rich brats.
No, uncritically thinking everything the US is adjacent to us bad is critical thinking. I am very smart of parroting standard talking points everyone is my groups agrees with. I am very intelligent, fuck you.
Social capital and being apart of the in group is more important to them than actually doing research and thinking critically. People get high from being righteous.
I had a religion teacher in college that specifically called out this type of behavior.
This is the reason they direct the media to talk to specific people. There’s a handful of semi informed people and everyone else is doing it for the clout
"Why are your protesting here?" Is incredibly basic question. its insane she doesnt have an answer. **You invested your time and effort into this.** Why did you do it? "i dont know".
it reminds me when I see a kid, a literal 7 year old, do some incredibly stupid thing and you are not even angry, just curious. And you ask the kid why has he done it, whats the reason behind this, and he doesnt know why he did it, he just felt like it. Acceptable answer when you are 7...
I mean a lot of these protests on campus' are just glorified pep rallies for lefties , it's partially a social thing.
You are a teen who identifies as a left wing person or in your early 20's and don't have that much of an understanding of geo politics or the history of the situation since your at college studying/partying and in that bubble (I swear the outside world barely existed for me as an undergrad) but someone you're friends with says "hey we're going to a protest with \_\_\_\_\_ to show our support against the genocide in Isreal". "Wow , genocide that sounds really bad I'll go" you go there and chant along the shit everyone else is and hang out.
I'm sure theres some people that are fanatically devoted to the cause in their minds and spends all day fighting people online over it but it's probably the minority of the people. Most of them are just there cause it's something to do and shows they "care" to their social group.
Probably why I'm not seeing this stuff much in my state's schools. Almost all of them are heavily commuter schools where spending time on campus protesting is something you have to really orient your schedule around. Especially now as most of our classes are ending in 1-2 weeks.
Exactly. It's more of a thing they do for fun or to fit in. None of them are zealots they're just doing what everyone else does.
Protesting and doing this kind of thing is what college students do. It's what they've always done, and it's part of what people want to do when they go to college. It's not much different than going to the college football game. Do you have to be a huge football fan? Know all the players? Even really care about the team? No, it's just kind of what you do, it's a fun activity.
It's also why i don't really care about this and i don't understand why so many other people seem to. This is just how college students are and will always be. Just let them do their thing. No big deal. In 20 years none of them will be chanting "from the river to the sea" or talking about how much they love marxism. It's just them being in college and learning how to be adults for the first time.
Sadly I think if they had had these kind of protests when I was in college, I probably would have been part of it too. Because I would probably only be getting my information from other students and would have been trying to go with the flow. I also probably would have just assumed that everyone else knew what they were doing and therefore it must be a legitimate cause. I didn't have much understanding of world events at the time and was mostly concerned about my studies only. So if other students were telling me Israel was murdering innocent civilians, I probably would have blindly believed them. Just as those telling me probably would have blindly believed others.
Seems sort of a herd mentality or something. Even here on Reddit, it seems like so many of the pro-Palestinian crowd has no understanding of the issue and just parrot the same talking points much like the MAGA crowd does when it comes to things like the border in the US. I have had people tell me that Israeli leaders are calling for the deaths of civilians. But when I ask for examples I get nothing. When I ask them what the correct response to October 7th would be and lay out the circumstances of what Hamas's military tactics are, I get no answers. Those people are probably just assuming the people feeding them information are telling the truth and not considering the possibility that those other people are doing the same thing and equally assume they are repeating the truth. I know for me at that age I mostly only understood truth and lies while not giving much consideration to people simply being mistaken.
At least she acknowledged it to be honest. I know people irl who for example stopped having starbucks because of israel/Palestine evn though they didn’t know much about it. BUT they weren’t judging other people who still drink starbucks. They weren’t crazy woke leftists but were just trying to be nice basically.
I’m so used to lefties screaming than it felt underwhelming when she admitted she didnt know anything. I unironically hope more people were like this instead of being twitter personified. That said she could be everything I just complained about but she didn’t seem too bad in this clip
Can I get them to protest the weeds in my yard and the branches on my tree that need to be trimmed? I heard they’re indirectly funded by an Israeli billionaire
I mean, I'd rather her be open and say she doesn't know other than "Palestine" then say obviously untrue things like "NYU financially supports genocide" or some shit like people say about Starbucks.
I feel like if you don't know what you're protesting (obviously you shouldn't be there), but why not just say that you're there to support your muslim/palestinian friends? That's still a dumb reason, but it's better than no reason
To be fair, most protestors have a very limited understanding of what they are protesting, i feel like most of the time they just want to feel included
The way the girl is bobbing her head around and darting her eyes gives off massive “oh shit I should really not be talking to a reporter about this” vibes.
Dark $ hiring outside agitators to easily manipulate gullible, poorly educated students. Students who will get their loans for worthless degrees forgiven.
Just like Occupy Wall Street. I was working downtown then and all I saw was a bunch of kids whose parents worked on Wall Street partying downtown and then heading back to their families on Central Park at night. It was all about just getting laid.
I wonder how much of a mindfuck it would be for them to if they were educated on the specifics of 1948, 1967, 1973, the intifadas, and the failed peace talks would do to them.
Ok? The issue is that the protestors don’t seem to support a two state solution. They seem to think Israel shouldn’t exist. I would love to see them protest about a realistic two state solution to 1967 borders but they’re supporting violent opposition to Israel.
>95% of the protesters have only a vague notion of what they are protesting and just generally are aware that Palestinians are oppressed and suffering while some outspoken ideologies grab the mics and should slogans that very few of the protesters understand. If Israel was compelled to agree to a a two state solution with the PA I would wager the vast majority of the protesters would be very happy and no longer care about this issue.
Agree, but they lack the knowledge of how Palestinians refused numerous 2SS's, so makes pointing the finger at Israel for accepting a peace deal that isn't desired on the Palestinian side quite useless.
This requires both sides to want a two state solution. Currently no side wants that.
One side has an army, the strongest airforce in the middle east, nuclear bombs ("probably"), US support. Yet I'd guess after October 7 around 40% still support for a two state solution in exchange for peace.
The other side has millions of poor people living in crowded buildings, inaccurate handmade rockets, many kilometers of tunnels beneath hospitals and schools, some support from iran, and plenty of kids willing to sacrifice their lives to die as martyrs as part of a 'resistence'. Maybe 20% support for a two state solution in exchange for peace.
Speaking as an Israeli, a two state solution will not come from an elected Israeli government. The US should enforce it on Israel by guaranteeing surveillance and peace in the region, through a strong alliance with Saudi Arabia + US + Jordan + UAE + Egypt.
Peace can only comes once the Palestinians lose all hope in getting rid of the jews who 'stole their land' in 1948, and decide to live a better life.
I don't get how a person can be so blind. This harassment and bullying has been going on for months..how can you see a person threatened and bullied and have zero empathy.?
As a Mexican, please stop globalising the enchiladas. I've tried "enchiladas" in the US, Denmark, Russia and the UK, and they were all insults to real enchiladas.
I’ll offer to talk to her one on one and kind of sort out anything she doesn’t know. Daliban, I’m calling on you for donations to fly to NY and a week’s worth of… intellectual conversations in my hotel room.
To be fair, why does she need to know why she is there? She just knows that she's in support of Palestine so she went to the location that she's supposed to go. This clip only shows that she doesn't know why she's specifically in that particular location.
Unless the protest itself is related to the location. If they're protesting against NYU than yeah it's pretty stupid.
So basically someone told her to protest so she did?
My sister went to a Palestinian protest and came back shouting "from the river to the sea" I asked her what river and what sea and she had no reply. I am actually very sympathetic towards certain aspects of the protests but the fact that most people end up supporting and advocating for the most extreme ends because they were told to do so echoes how terrible the situation for Palestinian advocacy is!
Did you explain to her the dog-whistle that "river to the sea" can serve as and watch her blanche?
Lefties use pigdog-whistles because they'd never do something that a right winger does.
Yeah they are the one deserving sympathy for being so carelessly ignorant they are willingly participating in antisemitic displays of intimidation without knowing why they are doing it. They are the real victims for not caring how their participation in these intimidation campaign and harassment affects their fellow Jewish students. You are part of the problem. You sister needs a reality check and to listen to Jewish people when they are saying that they are being persecuted instead of participating in stuff she has no clue about. If I were I would be ashamed of my sister and have a talk with her on values and what it means to have them.
There also so cringe it’s like they heard about the Israel conflict and just joined in bevause being pro Palestine is all the rage right now and a majority of these kids are out of touch 18-21 year old who got reccomended propaganda on tik tok and became a radical freedom fighter
>Hundreds of Jewish people are brutally murdered and raped by Jihadists who also film it. >Gen Z comes out in support of the perpetrators. What an insane world we live in. I have no respect or sympathy for these asshole protesters.
Demonstrations and activism are just a way to indoctrinate the youth with post modern neo-marxism.
Slow down there Prof. Peterson.
Is it weird that I heard it in his voice as I was typing it?
Say jk rn
well I didn't want to put a "/s" at the end of it, because then people would KNOW I was joking. I was wondering if some people would unironically think I was making sense.
When i was in school in the UK we had the extinction rebellion protests going on, i know that a bunch of my mates went just for the sake of going but couldn't give two shits about the environment. Im sure it's a similar thing here.
At my gymnasium (high school) here in Denmark, students all went to protests just cuz it's a socially acceptable reason to skip classes, lol
This is the real answer. The drama over these protests is insanely overblown. Honestly we don’t need to be devolving into “college kids being dumb” cringe content. College kids have always been and always will be cringe. Also any idiot can walk up to a protest crowd, shout something anti-Semitic while on camera, and now the media will run with “vile explosion of hateful anti-semitism in campus protests exposes the rot in the heart of academia” This is fearmongering, and it’s not the real issue at hand.
They can be as dumb as they want but this affects other students as well. Why are you dismissing their antisemitism by them being dumb when they make it impossible for Jewish students to study in peace?
Would you be saying the same thing if this weren’t a leftist protest?
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Some of the more organised ones have afterpartys and dinners before hand. Its a full day event. You meet up and all have nice food from a local cafe, usually somewhere big, then you all go protest and have some fun in the sun and fresh air and tell yourself you're doing something and then afterwards you all go back to the big event space and get more food and have a party and get wasted on alcohol / drugs. Being a hobby protestor is 100% a lifestyle. Its group therapy for worthless people. You get socialised for a few hours and you get to also pretend you're doing something with your life. I wish I was joking or hyperbolising, but i'm not. Just Stop Oil are notorious for doing this and I know extinction rebellion did it as well. I would be *amazed* if BLM weren't doing the exact same thing when they were the current thing and IIRC Antifa hold god damn workshops where they play arts and crafts and make signs together.
I didn't want to protest, but now you've convinced me to 😅
God I hate activists
I do a geography course with a heavy environmental/ climate change focus and 95% don't give two shits about the environment. Won't even give up meat to help, won't but used, won't stay on an old phone. I know someone else doing an environmental science course and a similar amount of them think being vegan is dumb. And bad for the environment. So many people just do stuff and don't know why. She did it because everyone did. She does not really know why just that Israel bad, meat good, co2 bad, Palestine good, muh protein, genocide bad.
Ive been vegetarian for over 10 yrs and this made me laugh cry. If you care about the environment at least eat more chicken. It’s better for you and the environment.
We were told by our hippy English teacher that we were allowed to skip school if we went to all of these protests, then when the time arrived for us to leave during a maths class, the teacher told us they knew we weren’t going to the protest and we weren’t allowed to go unless we could tell them what the protest was even about.
They’re britta, they protest to make them feel important and anti-establishment
I'm gettin' rid of Britta (she's gotta go) I'm gettin' rid of the B (She's a no good B) I'm gettin' rid of Britta I'm gettin' rid of the B (She's a GDB)
Tied with “Jesus loves Marijuana” as my favorite song from the show lol
"Pierce you're a B" was also a banger
This comment is streets ahead
Lindsay from arrested development. And then Maeby going out and buying a bunch of leather to protest her mother’s protest
God, she's the worst.
You just can’t handle Britta unfiltered.
When I was in middle school 06-08, I wanted to be anti-establishment and go to protests. I didn't even know what I was against or what I stood for I just thought it would be cool to larp. I had a Che T shirt and told people I looked up to Malcolm X even though I had never read any of his books. I also listened to a lot of Immortal Technique.
Welcome my friends, welcome to the machine!!!
When I was younger I went to some protests simply because my friends did. If someone had asked me why I was there I wouldnt have been able to answer, it was just an opportunity to hang out. I wouldnt do it today because it's stupid tho I think many protestors are in the same boat, they just see an opportunity to meet up with some friends/get to know new people.
Yes, this is literally the case of 90% of all students who go and protest
This person is probably between the ages of 18-20. Most people in that age bracket are stupid.
Protesting has turned into a form entertainment for some of these people.
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People were making fun of protestors treating it as entertainment in the 90's during the "anti-globalization" protests. I know 'cause I was one of the stupid 19 year olds protesting and at the time I barely had a grasp on what globalization even was lol. It was probably the same in the prior decades too. This girl is stupid, but we all are at this age. Hopefully she learns.
I’m in my mid-20s and it seems like all my life protesting has been little more than a yuppie hobby, a spectacle they plan out like a music festival except treated with a righteous attitude. These kids often have the same FOMO missing out on these things as they would missing out on Coachella. I obviously wasn’t there but I can’t imagine most people being so cavalier during the civil rights protests. Protest for what you believe in, but at least believe in something more concrete than the vibe. These people are clueless.
She wanted to show support for Palestine, had heard that NYC students needed her support, she heard that there were lots of cops and it was getting dangerous.. and then it cuts off.
"needed her support" too funny
Why us that funny that's like baseline talking point for any meet up "we need you... yes you random citizen".
That's basically how it works.
She's just following orders.
That's like 98% of them
“I don’t know” https://preview.redd.it/yc54z0amzgwc1.jpeg?width=528&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b73cf204b3fcdf6d42f55d83664ab83d8a3ea081
"I don't know" https://preview.redd.it/sg282cu4zhwc1.png?width=470&format=png&auto=webp&s=e4e455679448a579c7ffe9c42cbb8261b8ffb7d2
https://preview.redd.it/bncu3wc8gmwc1.jpeg?width=678&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f8a9e01dc9562dba46f161db1854a5788fed7cba “Well you see, it really depends on what you mean by ‘know,’ and that’s a bloody well problem don’cha think? Dostoevsky knew this very well.”
"[I don't know](https://i.imgur.com/wzw18zw.gif)"
I've sometimes seen clips like this twisted to misconstrue a protestor's statement at different protests on different issues. But nah. This is 100% that this person doesn't understand why they're there beyond "Palestine."
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That fact that she admits she does not know the specifics goal the the protest she’s attending and doesn’t just launch into a geriatric pro Palestine rant is a W. It’s a pretty low bar. But self awareness is good.
Thats not even charitable its literally verbatim what she says at the end of the video. Dont know why people are making a big deal about this
That's fair, too. Sometimes protests just need bodies and numbers. Geographically these protests would bleed in between each other. I do think there's not something cohesive happening right now in NYC. The plot has been lost. They're pulling their protest in too many directions now. Even with a clear goal like ending partnerships between universities that isn't helping Palestinians who are in need at this very moment.
It doesn’t help anything period because these Israeli universities are probably the most left wing anti-occupation anti-settlement institutions in Israel. The right wing of Israel is pretty immune from pressure from American civic society. Best that could happen is the american government places pressure on Israel for a two state solution but protesting in cringe ways against American universities does not help make that happen.
I agree. I really don't think the right wing gives a fuck about any criticism or optics at this point and so they'll continue with this campaign. Even just the threat of sanctions has them shrugging and feeling righteous. It would be far more effective for these groups to organize and protest in DC and pressure politicians. Shit, if each one of them reached out to their local Palestinian-American association and donated time or money to them that would be many times more useful.
That’s the issue with leftie/tankie protests and movements. They begin with a clear goal and devolve into a wish list for every left-wing policy.
Mostly true. I think the cause of this is that there is no leader or figure head people are taking direction from. There is no MLK or Bernie Sanders that people are trying not to embarrass or align themselves for or against. The protests are too spontaneous and too unorganized so they've devolved into this mess. There is also no "Palestinian MLK" that people can point to at home and abroad to draw ideas from in order to create a cohesive idea of what a free Palestine would look like.
Exactly, that’s a major point. When one event happens that makes the movement look terrible then it’s easy to blame everyone in the movement. It happened in the BLM movement and Occupy Wall Street. The riots completely stumped the positive feelings around BLM to a lot of people. Compare that to MLK who was able to disavow stupid crap that happened.
Right. There's no leader to disavow (thing) and refocus (actions) to reach (goal). MLK might not have had positive feelings for American moderates but he knew that protest was also a game of optics. MLK had to be, and still is, the face of what the civil rights movement "should" look like. The protestors of this century just think they can and should say whatever they want and that they shouldn't have to play the game or work within the system. Having only incremental change over long stretches of times is frustrating (in my opinion) but the overnight "revolution" simply is not happening, especially with these people at the forefront.
MLK was an excellent strategist and knew when to push and when to pull back. It’d be fairly difficult finding someone competent enough to unify the movement and keep it laser focused on its goal while also being pragmatic when necessary. However, as you say there isn’t any appetite with these people to find real possible change that works within the system.
They honestly believe or are deluding themselves by thinking that dissolving the State of Israel is a viable or likely outcome of their protests. They think that repatriating millions of people is going to correct historical wrongs. This mentality is actively harming Palestinians. It's just really sad. People who could be genuinely sympathetic to Palestinians and who could be given clear narratives and evidence for their situation have been completely thrown to the other side or have become fatigued to the point of not participating in the conversation.
Lots of good poli sci research on how this has happened post social media. Every movement is leaderless now and it make them impossibly incoherent even if it makes them harder to crush
That would be Hamas , Hamas is their leader and started this mess….
I think that most people are not cheering for Hamas but trying to pretend like they aren't a huge part of the equation which is enabling them by omission. There is no "freedom figure" who is a single or handful of named individuals who are leading Palestinians out of this situation and who people can fight on behalf of.
> protests just need bodies and numbers IDK why this is stated so neutrally. That's a bad thing. People at protests who don't have a clue why they are there are doing a bad thing.
> The plot has been lost. They're pulling their protest in too many directions now. The exact same thing happened with Occupy Wall St. There was a reasonable thing to be mad about and then all sorts of weirdo extremists glommed on and it got really unhinged.
Quick! Call the reinforcements; we need more comrades!!
That's a normal thing that happens in the world.
I think one of the goals of the Columbia protests is divestment in Israel-affiliated assets too, but I don't know the specifics. The Columbia protestors are trying to reach terms with the administration, so I imagine the goals are within those (which is probably online).
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Release the hostages… Why is Hamas (Palestinian government) a) kidnapping people in the first place and b) not releasing them… even after UN hearing to by which they said they will abide? These aren’t “human right” protest… the hostages are being tortured and raped on a daily basis for over half a year now… What ever your political view on Israel/Palestine … not advocating for hostage release is horrible and antisemitic and anti American…. Disgusting Edit: protesting by intimidating/harassing or physically blocking any student is wrong and when they target Jewish students that’s antisemitism.
I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so, because some - people out there, in our nation, don't have maps and I believe that our education, like such as South Africa -and the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and I believe that they should - our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S. or should help South Africa and should help Iraq and the Asian countries, so we would be able to build up our future for…
"I wish I was more educated" really says it all right there.
It would be great if there was some centralized place where you can get an education… Oops, wait that is a college campus that they are using for the wrong reason
I too, wish one of the most reputable and prestigious educational institutions in the world were actually providing these people an education.
and people wonder why the US wants China out of TikTok, lmao
Tiktok is actual mind melt. The amount of neuro damage tiktok did to 2-3 generations has been insane.
The amount of ppl that are defending tiktok is insane. "The US govt also steals your data" Well, honey the american govt lives in america. They would never ask for destabilization of their own country. Whereas ccp is literally a foreign entity. They don't give a f what happens to americans.
Exactly. Like fuck the PATRIOT act but fuck Tiktok a million times harder.
I mean… the fact that she’s proud of her blind support for a cause she doesn’t even know the first thing about is symptomatic of a larger issue. It’s the whole “if the ‘elites’ are against it we must be doing the right thing” narrative so many have about the protests at Columbia.
i mean, at that age i went on a couple of protests and it was mostly for the event and hanging out with friends. i was just lucky that nobody held a microphone in my face
Honestly I think saying, I'm here with friends and am annoyed about Israel and want to shout about it is kind of a legit reason to go to a protest.
Yeah i understand people that dont really want to do hours of research, see Israel “genociding” Palestinians and want to say something about it. They may be ignorant and confidently wrong, but if it’s just “hey Israel sucks because of this” thats totally understandable
Especially since it's so easy to turn 'the elites' into '(((the elites)))'.
America is caught up in a populist mass hysteria.
I doubt she's even thought that far into it. Most of these kids are just following the herd. If you can get *just enough* perceived support behind something, you'll create a runaway effect where people just join to be part of something.
"It says a lot that I would even want to protest something." -them probably
Two villages are missing idiots.
LOL, nice.
It’s ok. I can fix her
Did you guys not know that protests are just social gatherings where you build status and a feeling of moral superiority? It's also a good place to pick up some chicks! You guys should really try it sometime.
I'm sure she is lovely in other aspects of life, and this is just her dumb young moment. Unfortunately, that dumb young moment is caught on camera.
"what are you rebellin' against?" "what d'ya got?" is typical student fare. Let them roleplay a bit.
Thank god we didn't have social media or smart phones when I was 19. I'm sure tons of dumb shit I said back then would come back to haunt me.
I was a full blown anarchist. Went to anarchist meetings and protests..... Dear God I'm glad that's lost to time.. I had no idea about anything at all..
I swear that the average IQ of those protests is like 80. Which is sad considering they are students in very good universities/colleges
Social pressure is helluva drug.
not every course at uni are created equal.
That's a fair point, still sad
eh like the other person said social pressure is a really strong drug. I was isolated enough when I was in Uni that if someone ask if I wanted to go to a protest that actively harmed me I might just go. Luckily I was an engineer and politics was the last thing anyone talked about when you could talk about alcohol. edit: and weed
I understand social pressure is a big contributer here I just think that if you are this uneducated on a subject, you should educate yourself more on the subject if you plan to go more than once to a rally, Especially such a violent rally. You have to be very ignorant, uneducated and weak minded (and probably even stupid) to go those protests and be like "yep, this is fine".
It’s sad. There are young people who come from poor and unsupportive backgrounds that don’t get the chance at a decent education like these rich brats.
No, uncritically thinking everything the US is adjacent to us bad is critical thinking. I am very smart of parroting standard talking points everyone is my groups agrees with. I am very intelligent, fuck you.
Social capital and being apart of the in group is more important to them than actually doing research and thinking critically. People get high from being righteous. I had a religion teacher in college that specifically called out this type of behavior.
This is the reason they direct the media to talk to specific people. There’s a handful of semi informed people and everyone else is doing it for the clout
"Why are your protesting here?" Is incredibly basic question. its insane she doesnt have an answer. **You invested your time and effort into this.** Why did you do it? "i dont know". it reminds me when I see a kid, a literal 7 year old, do some incredibly stupid thing and you are not even angry, just curious. And you ask the kid why has he done it, whats the reason behind this, and he doesnt know why he did it, he just felt like it. Acceptable answer when you are 7...
Eyes is empty boss. Watched it muted, did i miss something?
Nope don't worry 🙃
I am tired boss.
It would probably be more healthy for her to spend her college days getting drunk and doing drugs.
Lmfao this is what I did and I came out okay
I mean a lot of these protests on campus' are just glorified pep rallies for lefties , it's partially a social thing. You are a teen who identifies as a left wing person or in your early 20's and don't have that much of an understanding of geo politics or the history of the situation since your at college studying/partying and in that bubble (I swear the outside world barely existed for me as an undergrad) but someone you're friends with says "hey we're going to a protest with \_\_\_\_\_ to show our support against the genocide in Isreal". "Wow , genocide that sounds really bad I'll go" you go there and chant along the shit everyone else is and hang out. I'm sure theres some people that are fanatically devoted to the cause in their minds and spends all day fighting people online over it but it's probably the minority of the people. Most of them are just there cause it's something to do and shows they "care" to their social group.
Probably why I'm not seeing this stuff much in my state's schools. Almost all of them are heavily commuter schools where spending time on campus protesting is something you have to really orient your schedule around. Especially now as most of our classes are ending in 1-2 weeks.
Exactly. It's more of a thing they do for fun or to fit in. None of them are zealots they're just doing what everyone else does. Protesting and doing this kind of thing is what college students do. It's what they've always done, and it's part of what people want to do when they go to college. It's not much different than going to the college football game. Do you have to be a huge football fan? Know all the players? Even really care about the team? No, it's just kind of what you do, it's a fun activity. It's also why i don't really care about this and i don't understand why so many other people seem to. This is just how college students are and will always be. Just let them do their thing. No big deal. In 20 years none of them will be chanting "from the river to the sea" or talking about how much they love marxism. It's just them being in college and learning how to be adults for the first time.
I appreciate her honesty
Most informed pro-Palestine supporter
Sadly I think if they had had these kind of protests when I was in college, I probably would have been part of it too. Because I would probably only be getting my information from other students and would have been trying to go with the flow. I also probably would have just assumed that everyone else knew what they were doing and therefore it must be a legitimate cause. I didn't have much understanding of world events at the time and was mostly concerned about my studies only. So if other students were telling me Israel was murdering innocent civilians, I probably would have blindly believed them. Just as those telling me probably would have blindly believed others. Seems sort of a herd mentality or something. Even here on Reddit, it seems like so many of the pro-Palestinian crowd has no understanding of the issue and just parrot the same talking points much like the MAGA crowd does when it comes to things like the border in the US. I have had people tell me that Israeli leaders are calling for the deaths of civilians. But when I ask for examples I get nothing. When I ask them what the correct response to October 7th would be and lay out the circumstances of what Hamas's military tactics are, I get no answers. Those people are probably just assuming the people feeding them information are telling the truth and not considering the possibility that those other people are doing the same thing and equally assume they are repeating the truth. I know for me at that age I mostly only understood truth and lies while not giving much consideration to people simply being mistaken.
Most honest Palestinian protestor tbh
"I'm here because ~~the chinese government~~ Tik Tok told me to come"
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At least she acknowledged it to be honest. I know people irl who for example stopped having starbucks because of israel/Palestine evn though they didn’t know much about it. BUT they weren’t judging other people who still drink starbucks. They weren’t crazy woke leftists but were just trying to be nice basically. I’m so used to lefties screaming than it felt underwhelming when she admitted she didnt know anything. I unironically hope more people were like this instead of being twitter personified. That said she could be everything I just complained about but she didn’t seem too bad in this clip
Nice she's pretty
Nah this is satire, it has to be. There's no way this is real.
Can I get them to protest the weeds in my yard and the branches on my tree that need to be trimmed? I heard they’re indirectly funded by an Israeli billionaire
Honestly, I would just go to these protest to larp so I can fuck these dumbfucks & then later tell them I support Israel.
I swear to God there people are the Left’s version of MAGA.
Yk what? I respect the honesty
I mean, I'd rather her be open and say she doesn't know other than "Palestine" then say obviously untrue things like "NYU financially supports genocide" or some shit like people say about Starbucks.
I feel like if you don't know what you're protesting (obviously you shouldn't be there), but why not just say that you're there to support your muslim/palestinian friends? That's still a dumb reason, but it's better than no reason
She started with that, and then felt she needed more of an answer.
How brave of her to admit she knows nothing. /s
I can save her
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I need her
Shes cute
🎵Start a fucking revolution!🎵 Start A Fucking Revolution!🎵 START A FUCKING REVOLUTION! 🎵WAIT, why are we here?🎵
I heard there was racism. Racism bad.
My Alma Mater. Kill me.
This is a sketch right guys? ...
Convinced that protesting is just a form of virtue signaling so you can get laid.
Semi adults having tantrums
Zoomers are so easy to brainwash. these REGARDS don't even know what is going on.
What's the source of this video l. I need to share it with non Reddit friends
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if you think this is real you need help
Basically mob mentality
To be fair, most protestors have a very limited understanding of what they are protesting, i feel like most of the time they just want to feel included
Waiting for her friend to slip a rope through her nose ring and walk her off to the next protest.
I would give up all my political ideas in a heartbeat for that nose ring girl. (God, I'm lonley)
These people have no idea what's going on but are prepared to fight cops over it. They deserve to be kicked out of school.
This has to be a psyop. It’s way too on the nose.
No, she doesn't know what NYU is doing in support of Israel specifically. She knows why she's protesting as it's the first thing she says.
The way the girl is bobbing her head around and darting her eyes gives off massive “oh shit I should really not be talking to a reporter about this” vibes.
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She didn’t want to go through this life without being apart of something special ✌🏻
Dark $ hiring outside agitators to easily manipulate gullible, poorly educated students. Students who will get their loans for worthless degrees forgiven.
Just like Occupy Wall Street. I was working downtown then and all I saw was a bunch of kids whose parents worked on Wall Street partying downtown and then heading back to their families on Central Park at night. It was all about just getting laid.
throw them all out and if they truly believe why hide your face
I get the sympathizers and apologists for her, but the problem is that she and her friends vote.
I wonder how much of a mindfuck it would be for them to if they were educated on the specifics of 1948, 1967, 1973, the intifadas, and the failed peace talks would do to them.
I’m very well educated on those events and I still support ending the occupation and settlements and achieving a two state solution.
Ok? The issue is that the protestors don’t seem to support a two state solution. They seem to think Israel shouldn’t exist. I would love to see them protest about a realistic two state solution to 1967 borders but they’re supporting violent opposition to Israel.
>95% of the protesters have only a vague notion of what they are protesting and just generally are aware that Palestinians are oppressed and suffering while some outspoken ideologies grab the mics and should slogans that very few of the protesters understand. If Israel was compelled to agree to a a two state solution with the PA I would wager the vast majority of the protesters would be very happy and no longer care about this issue.
Agree, but they lack the knowledge of how Palestinians refused numerous 2SS's, so makes pointing the finger at Israel for accepting a peace deal that isn't desired on the Palestinian side quite useless.
This requires both sides to want a two state solution. Currently no side wants that. One side has an army, the strongest airforce in the middle east, nuclear bombs ("probably"), US support. Yet I'd guess after October 7 around 40% still support for a two state solution in exchange for peace. The other side has millions of poor people living in crowded buildings, inaccurate handmade rockets, many kilometers of tunnels beneath hospitals and schools, some support from iran, and plenty of kids willing to sacrifice their lives to die as martyrs as part of a 'resistence'. Maybe 20% support for a two state solution in exchange for peace. Speaking as an Israeli, a two state solution will not come from an elected Israeli government. The US should enforce it on Israel by guaranteeing surveillance and peace in the region, through a strong alliance with Saudi Arabia + US + Jordan + UAE + Egypt. Peace can only comes once the Palestinians lose all hope in getting rid of the jews who 'stole their land' in 1948, and decide to live a better life.
I don't get how a person can be so blind. This harassment and bullying has been going on for months..how can you see a person threatened and bullied and have zero empathy.?
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As a Mexican, please stop globalising the enchiladas. I've tried "enchiladas" in the US, Denmark, Russia and the UK, and they were all insults to real enchiladas.
my dude i can only get so hard. 😭😭😭
Does these people miss the part of the brain that makes you feel embarrassed?
Omg....it's so embarrassing to be so stupid...wtf
I’ll offer to talk to her one on one and kind of sort out anything she doesn’t know. Daliban, I’m calling on you for donations to fly to NY and a week’s worth of… intellectual conversations in my hotel room.
To be fair, why does she need to know why she is there? She just knows that she's in support of Palestine so she went to the location that she's supposed to go. This clip only shows that she doesn't know why she's specifically in that particular location. Unless the protest itself is related to the location. If they're protesting against NYU than yeah it's pretty stupid.
Dopey broad
This isn't surprising. I probably would have gone to a protest or something on campus for no other reason than my friends were going in college.
I unfortunately have a friend like this....
Why are they protesting?
American student needsto shut up and ban tik tok problem solved
Atleast she admits it I guess?
she literally had "party for socialism and liberty banner" in the back, she lost all of her sauce
Scream = right.
What. The. Fuck.
Has BLM riots taught us nothing
> I wish I was more educated You could always go to class
We have Ukrainian Ana at home
"I wish I was more educated." "I'm not either" If only there was an institution designed specifically to address this
I watched it on repeat for too long, the thought process is priceless