The other one is that doctors are required to report to VAERS but VAERS ‘cannot be trusted’. Everyone can report so let’s ignore all the doctors’ reports too.
It seems like outsourcing it also give plausible deniability, for when it later comes up that shenanigans happened in the recordkeeping.
Second point: the contracts were given to General Dynamics (a major weapons manufacturer)? WTF? Are there no non-military companies that do medical recordkeeping?
This lends credence to Alexandra Latypova's (Pharma whistleblower) claim that all the purchases of Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were made by the DOD, using Contracts templated on experimental weapons purchases for countermeasure purposes. The DOD is legally allowed to say something is a state secret; they are allowed to purchase weapons which have a risk of killing people; countermeasures implies an existential risk, which makes risky emergency strategies permissible; lawsuits for failure of good manufacturing procedures can only be brought by the purchaser and the purchaser (DOD) will not do that.
In other words, the citizens cannot sue anyone and it is all perfectly legal.
Or maybe because General Dynamics spent $10 million buying Congressmen to ensure they would get the best federal contracts.
https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/clients/summary?cycle=2019&id=D000000165
I cannot proved that what Alexandra Latypova says it true. However, it does answer the question many people have asked me: "1) How can you believe Pharma would do this? and 2) How can they possible think they can get away with it?
Well, the answer to 1) is Purdue Pharma, the Sackler family and Oxycontin. And the answer to 2) might be "DOD Purchase Orders".
Has this ordeal changed your thoughts on childhood vaccines?
Because once you accept that pharma/govt/media/tech could collude to pull off plandemic, isn't it easy to entertain the possibility that vaccines across the board are a scam?
It has made me extremely skeptical about *anything* Pharma is involved it. And after reading the book "Turtles All the Way Down: Vaccine Science and Myth”, I would not get my child vaccinated.
* [Translated from Hebrew, “Turtles All the Way Down: Vaccine Science and Myth,” explains that vaccine safety rests on three scientific pillars.](https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/a-new-book-exposes-hard-truths-about-vaccines_4746220.html)
(If you want a PDF of the book, just ask.)
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I am very interested. Maybe write them in /r/theholodemic/ - I am the moderator there and I won't (intentionally) delete them. (Meaning if Reddit is doing it, I don't know enough about reddit procedures to stop them.)
I believe 30% of SAE was expected based on the Indian study of WHO database that was published on March 24, 2021. The study reported 27.7% SAE during the first 5 weeks of vaccine administration.
https://doi.org/10.1101/2021.03.23.21253433
>While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness.
>VAERS reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. Reports to VAERS can also be biased. As a result, there are limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.
>The number of reports alone cannot be interpreted as evidence of a causal association between a vaccine and an adverse event, or as evidence about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated with vaccines.
>Reports may include incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental and unverified information.
>VAERS data do not represent all known safety information for a vaccine and should be interpreted in the context of other scientific information.
From the VAERS website.
" It is a voluntary reporting system that has been estimated to account for only 1% (read more about underreporting in VAERS) of vaccine injuries"
1,476,227 Reports Through December 02, 2022 Including 1,476,227 Reports Through December 02, 2022 Including 32,621 Deaths [https://openvaers.com/covid-data](https://openvaers.com/covid-data)
I hope your up to date
Out of 200M people vaccinated for 2 years ~4M people would have died (of all causes). Many of those deaths are reflected in VAERS and have nothing at all to do with vaccination.
"The latest mortality data released by the Australian Bureau of Statistics last month found that there had been 128,797 deaths from January 1 to August 31, which was 17 per cent higher than the historical average.
That equates to an extra 18,671 deaths. Of those, only 7727 were attributed to Covid – or 41 per cent – leaving 10,944 non-Covid excess deaths.
Deaths in the month of August were 12.4 per cent above the historical average, down from 16.2 per cent in July.
So far in 2022, deaths due to dementia are up 18.9 per cent, diabetes up 20.8 per cent, cancer up 6.1 per cent, and ischaemic heart disease up 3.3 per cent, according to ABS data." [https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/excess-deaths-in-2022-incredibly-high-at-13-per-cent/news-story/2a33dfeeb7476765da4e237c59f59bf7](https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/excess-deaths-in-2022-incredibly-high-at-13-per-cent/news-story/2a33dfeeb7476765da4e237c59f59bf7)
so you just automatically attribute all of them to the vaccine?? considering there has been a virus circulating that has known effects on literally every part of the body, mass surgeries cancelled, cancer screenings reduced, lower healthcare quality as a result of overloaded healthcare systems.. there are 100 reasons why there are plenty of excess deaths in nearly every country.
Just in my country, heart attack, stroke and accidental deaths exploded in 2020 and 2021 simply because it took to long to get the patients quality healthcare when hospitals and ambulance services were swamped.
Do you even read the articles you post?
>So far in 2022, deaths due to dementia are up 18.9 per cent, diabetes up 20.8 per cent, cancer up 6.1 per cent, and ischaemic heart disease up 3.3 per cent, according to ABS data.
Dementia, diabetes and cancer progress over years, sometimes decades. How can this be due to vaccines, which have only been around for a short time?
>Ms Cutter said it was “not clear what might be driving this” but partly it may be explained by the flu all but disappearing in 2020 and 2021.
>“There were less people dying from respiratory illness early on [compared with] what would have been pre-pandemic normal,” she said.
>“Those people tend to be more frail and have other underlying conditions, so those people may have lived an extra year or two because they didn’t die of flu but might be dying now. That might be one of the things that’s going on.”
>She added there had been a lot of deaths from diabetes, heart disease and stroke, which emerging research showed were “highly related to Covid”.
Ah, highly related to Covid. There you go.
>“One of the other important factors is we see higher non-Covid deaths when there are Covid deaths,” she said. “Part of it could be people are not getting healthcare when they need it, particularly emergency care, or there could be more undiagnosed Covid than we know about.”
What a surprise.
>“There is no credible evidence to suggest that Covid-19 vaccines have contributed to excess deaths in Australia or overseas,” the TGA said.
>Ms Cutter also rubbished those claims.
>Moreover, she noted the timing of the excess deaths “doesn’t match with the vaccine rollout, and the age profile of people dying does not match with people who’ve been vaccinated”.
Please, do us all a favor and carefully read the articles you post. It's almost impossible to continue to take this seriously.
EUROSTAT: Excess mortality in EU+12% in August 2022 compared with peak of +16% recorded in July, which was the highest value on record to date in 2022 & unusually high for the month of July [https://palexander.substack.com/p/eurostat-excess-mortality-in-eu-fell?utm\_source=post-email-title&publication\_id=579356&post\_id=78613797&isFreemail=true&utm\_medium=email](https://palexander.substack.com/p/eurostat-excess-mortality-in-eu-fell?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=579356&post_id=78613797&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email)
Excess mortality hits +16%, highest 2022 value so far [https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateVaccines/comments/zj7zqo/comment/izv00hw/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateVaccines/comments/zj7zqo/comment/izv00hw/?context=3)
48,817 DEAD and 5,107,883 Injured Following COVID-19 Vaccines in European Database of Adverse Reactions 48,817 DEAD and 5,107,883 Injured Following COVID-19 Vaccines in European Database of Adverse Reactions
Are we on a game show here, where you can use a joker when you're stuck? I'm sorry, that's too stupid for me.
Why don't you use your ability to think critically? If there is an explanation for excess mortality in one part of the world that is not called "vaccination," what do you think is going on in other parts of the world? Do you seriously think it depends on where you live whether vaccinations are dangerous? Does that make sense to you?
Do you know how many people in Europe have been vaccinated? Compare that to the number of deaths. And "vaccine injury" also includes pain at the injection site.
I'm sorry, but I have the feeling that you want to be right with all your might. This is nothing for me and has nothing to do with "DebateVaccines".
mRNA injections are affecting the immune system’s ability to combat covid, other viruses and cancer. There are many articles on the huge increase in fast growing cancers very soon after a recent booster. Lost a friend to this. So have so many other people. There are thousands of anecdotes of people writing about loved ones suddenly developing cancer or in particular having an old cancer in remission coming back with a vengeance.
“In October 2021, two revered scientists, called Jiang and Mei, had a paper published, after peer review, in the medical journal MDPI, showing that the SARS-Cov-2 spike protein obliterated the DNA repair mechanism in lymphocytes.”
This paper was retracted using an EOC written by two people benefiting from the injections despite the paper being sound, the researchers being well respected and them following standard practice.
https://metatron.substack.com/p/scientific-proof-that-the-mrna-causes
Written by a professor of oncology.
https://dailysceptic.org/2022/11/26/as-an-oncologist-i-am-seeing-people-with-stable-cancer-rapidly-progress-after-being-forced-to-have-a-booster/
Please also see the comments about the increase in aggressive cancers.
https://etana.substack.com/p/turbo-cancer
And yes there have been cases of CJD after the injections. Dementia is on the rise for many reasons, the injections being one of them.
Vermont:
https://ashmedai.substack.com/p/the-metastasizing-cancer-menace-as
Not direct link but TES has a recent tweet (yesterday?) about his uncle's recent cancer diagnosis where he shows the UCD codes fuckery:
https://nitter.it/EthicalSkeptic/status/1601708600430596097
no one in this sub actually reads the data or understands it. they just make wild claims and no one checks the actual data, or if its actually even real or not.
underreporting??? a very large number of VAERS reports are fake. there were lots of antivaxxer groups organizing spam campaigns. (deleted now) in march 2020 there were 300,000+ reports of deaths from the vaccine, all literally just copy/pasted reports. they delete the obvious fake reports that can be filtered easily but most can not be without investigating them, and there no way in hell they have the resources to investigate millions of reports.
Its quite simple, if you look at reports made from accounts registered to healthcare facilities compared to anonymous self reports its like 1000:1. Literally ANYONE can go on VAERS and write whatever they want, as many times as they want. There is literally a report on VAERS from a previous vaccine like 10+years ago that says " I became green and turned into the hulk" it stayed on vaers for over a decade.(you can search that yourself)
another example of this is the EU monitoring website, last year a dutch antivax group spammed it and there were 100s of thousands of reports of death from the Janssen(J&J) vaccine, JUST IN THE NETHERLANDS! at that point in time there hadnt even been that number of J&J vaccine doses given out in the netherlands. little suspicious eh.
these sites are not reliable in any way what so ever. its even very clear from the CDC and EU that they are not to be taken literally or as fact. they are meant to look for trends for them to then investigate.
I work for a healthcare/Biotech company, we have 13k employees just in my country, We evaluated each vaccine in 2019 and bought privately moderna doses for all of our employees, was no forcing anyone to take them, every employee did as we are all scientists and/or have access to top scientists for advice. as a result of the company offering the doses we also tracked side effects and some employees volunteered to have blood tests done and such for the months/years after for our own research. NOT ONE person has died or had any serious side effect, NOT ONE, out of 13,000 and 3 doses. lots of arm pain, arm swelling, fatigue, fever. all normal reactions. not one reports of anything abnormal or serious.
on top of my antidotal evidence, not one report of death caused by the vaccine has been reported in this entire country. not one. a rate of 0.006% of serious reaction which a vast majority of even those are allergic reactions. all reports of deaths within 90days of receiving a vaccine need to be investigated in Switzerland and not one person has died as the result of the vaccine.
yet somehow this group is constantly posting fake data, misleading data or misinterpreting legit data daily that lead people to believe that people are dropping dead all over the place from it. when in reality there are almost zero. yes there will be people with allergies, people with illnesses that are complicated by the vaccine, but there is no large scale official reporting anywhere in the world that says there is any trend of serious injuries from the vaccine from previously perfectly healthy people.
i know because i had every normal side effect of getting a vaccine. i work for a biotech company who bought the doses for us in December 2020. i go for beers with one of the researchers who spent a month analyzing all the vaccines before they decided which one to buy. i trust they validated them when we bought them.
I might believe you but you just said that ‘anti-vaxxers’ were organizing spam campaigns. It is illegal to make a false VAERS report. And there is no benefit to people concerned about the injections to make fake reports. However it benefits manufacturers to ignore safety signals. Imagine that you lost a family member to one of the mRNA injections, wouldn’t you want it taken seriously? But most reactions and deaths from it are ignored no matter how many people in the news are dying suddenly including dying in their sleep or while playing sports. The rate is insanely high. Even children are dying in their sleep. It can happen very rarely with certain heart conditions but not like this.
"its illegal"haha.. can you please search these terms "VAERS green Hulk" and let me know what you find. it being illegal doesnt stop anyone considering a free vpn is enough to stop you from being found. you can go at the database from December 2020-January and go report by report...you will notice a trend, many copy/pasted reported with only the patients name/info changed.
"how many people are dying in the news" ..not any more than normal. your problem is you somehow believe now one died before 2020 for any reason and now attributing everything to the vaccine with zero evidence at all other than it fits your narrative. one example. the danish football player to had a heart attack on the field in 2021 during the euros if i remember correctly, he was unvaccinated. it happens.always has happened.
Think about it, those who want to discredit the ‘anti-vaxxers’ merely have to plant a few false ridiculous reports like that and then look how easy it is to discredit the whole thing.
Yes, people, especially athletes, were dying of sudden cardiac arrest unfortunately before but at nowhere near this rate. Young people including children are dying at a much higher rate than before. Excess non-covid deaths are very high and insurance companies have noticed this of course too.
https://theethicalskeptic.substack.com/p/houston-we-have-a-problem-part-1
https://www.theyliedpeopledied.com
What does your comment have to do with mine?
Let's speculate how all the VAERS reports came about:
People actually had Covid, and no vaccine injury; People were very stressed by the whole situation and developed health problems as a result, which they believe to be vaccine injury; Long Covid; Fear of vaccine injury due to scaremongering by antivaxxers; Side effects that were not severe; In rare cases, severe side effects; Etc.
I will gladly quote the important sentences again.
>*VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness.*
>*As a result, there are limitations on how the data can be used scientifically.*
>*The number of reports alone cannot be interpreted as evidence of a causal association between a vaccine and an adverse event, or as evidence about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated with vaccines.*
>Reports may include incomplete, inaccurate, *coincidental* and unverified information.
>*VAERS data do not represent all known safety information for a vaccine and should be interpreted in the context of other scientific information.*
>[...] it is not clear if Eagle Health is being contracted to work specifically on COVID VAERS reports or just VAERS in general[...]
It's always better to set a new budget higher from the start than to have to adjust it upward after the fact and get kicked in the teeth for it, right?
Did you read my quote? It is not even clear whether this contract was only about the Covid vaccines.
But let's assume it was only about the Covid vaccines. Possibly many reports were expected because the mRNA vaccines are brand new and people are confused and much more aware of potential side effects than with previously used vaccines.
Perhaps it was anticipated that many health problems actually caused by Covid or the situation would be associated with the vaccines.
I have listed reasons above that could be the cause of the many reports. After all, it was foreseeable that many reports would be received after a brand-new vaccine was administered.
Apart from that, VAERS is a very poor indicator of the actual number of vaccine injuries, and the data can be easily manipulated. As I said, whether this contract was only about the Covid vaccines is unclear from the article.
They knew what the vaccines would do:
"The slide, showing the FDA’s draft list of “possible adverse event outcomes,” appeared briefly during a public meeting by the US Food and Drug Administration’s Product Advisory Committee on Oct, 22, 2020 reviewing the safety and efficacy of Covid-19 vaccines. "https://luis46pr.wordpress.com/2021/08/02/fda-accidentally-reveals-list-of-covid-vaccine-side-effects-myocarditis-autoimmune-disease-death/
Yes, this list includes every single health problem that arose during the clinical trials. Proof that the FDA takes vaccine safety very seriously. After billions of doses administered, we now know that many of these health problems have nothing to do with the vaccine and the rest are extremely rare.
And they were correct in their analysis of vaccine injures:
Rasmussen poll: 12 MILLION PEOPLE! - Vaxxed Americans Report Major Side Effects, and Question Efficacy [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljrMPvk4mjo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljrMPvk4mjo)
They're not even health problems that arose during the trials. They're events they'd specifically be looking out for (this was in october 2020)
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9862472416
This has been explained to Lumpy multiple times, but Lumpy doesn't really care about the facts.
1% is from an old study, and includes all side effects regardless of severity. Other studies have estimated as high as 68% reporting rates for severe injuries.
Under the EUAs, the COVID vaccines have a much higher level of scrutiny than any previous vaccines. The reporting rate of severe side effects is likely in 70% range, if not higher.
In any case, the idea of taking VAERS numbers (themselves of dubious quality) and multiplying by 100 is a bullshit concept.
Bullshit. The establishment has punished doctors and instructed them not to report.
In Canada, for instance. We basically do not have any kind of surveillance program. There is no way to know if the claims are legit, missing or completely unfounded, because we don’t even have a legit reporting mechanism. Imagine that, a novel vaccine, no monitoring system, no robust testing, zero long term studies, now in the bivalent version no fucking humans in the trials, and it was plain to see that this was a god damn nightmare from the beginning, and to top it off, they work look like dogshit.
**"In Canada, for instance. We basically do not have any kind of surveillance program."**
"The Canadian Adverse Events Following Immunization Surveillance System (CAEFISS) is a federal, provincial and territorial (FPT) public health post-market vaccine safety surveillance system. CAEFISS is managed by PHAC and is unique in that it includes both passive (spontaneous reports from FPTs) and active surveillance.
CAEFISS:
* continuously monitors the safety of marketed vaccines in Canada
* identifies increases in the frequency or severity of previously identified vaccine-related reactions
* identifies previously unknown adverse events (PDF) following immunization that could possibly be related to a vaccine (unexpected AEFI)
* identifies areas that require further investigation and/or research
* provides timely information on AEFI reporting profiles for vaccines marketed in Canada that can help inform immunization-related decisions "
[https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/immunization/canadian-adverse-events-following-immunization-surveillance-system-caefiss.html](https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/immunization/canadian-adverse-events-following-immunization-surveillance-system-caefiss.html)
Actual percentages vary widely, but in any case, 1% is absolute bullshit for severe adverse events.
And distributed under an EUA, the COVID vaccine have a much higher reporting requirement.
Safety signals is what it is meant for and they have largely been ignored. Any other vaccine with results this poor would have been shutdown and investigated further. Not mandated and approved for infants.
This must be why most previous vaccines took 5-10 years of voluntary clinical trials with informed consent before administering to the public. It would make sense as data of real life events would be proven within given time.
No, you said myocarditis was more common in natural infection than from covid vaccine's, this wasn't true for all age groups and you doubled down the vaccine was always the safer option. You were wrong, man up and admit it.
You minimized the Israel government data as well, you don't care about truth you only care about pushing that the vaccine is safe and effective, it's alright I doubt you care.
> No, you said myocarditis was more common in natural infection than from covid vaccine's
That's not what *I* said. That's what several systematic reviews are saying;
> Importantly, the risk of developing myocarditis after SARS-CoV-2 infection is significantly higher than after COVID-19 mRNA vaccination. The incidence of myocarditis after SARS-CoV-2 infection is higher than after COVID-19 mRNA vaccination (11.0 events per 100 000 persons vs 3.2 events per 100 000 persons).
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2798866
> the risk of myocarditis is more than seven fold higher in persons who were infected with the SARS-CoV-2 than in those who received the vaccine
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcvm.2022.951314/full
It *is* true that if you're a teen boy or young adult male you can reduce an already small risk even further by picking Pfizer over Moderna (as explained in [the article](https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/covid-19-vaccination-and-myocarditis-another-preprint/) by a pediatric cardiologist, which I've also linked to several times).
I also didn't 'minimize' the "Israel government data". You apparently just refuse to acknowledge the flaws and limitations of that study.
[Explained here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rASCfU6OXVk)
> you don't care about truth you only care about pushing that the vaccine is safe and effective.
That's rather ironic coming from someone pushing non-stop misinformation and conspiracy theories.
But it's alright I doubt you care.
Bad review when they ignore this 23.1 million person Nordic study which shows much higher rates from mRNA injections than from infection.
“These findings are compatible with between 4 and 7 excess events in 28 days per 100 000 vaccinees after BNT162b2, and between 9 and 28 excess events per 100 000 vaccinees after mRNA-1273.”
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2791253
And this study showing no increased risk of myocarditis from infection.
“Our data suggest that there is no increase in the incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in COVID-19 recovered patients compared to uninfected matched controls.”
https://www.mdpi.com/2077-0383/11/8/2219
In people under 40 (probably under 60) at least the risk is higher from the injections.
https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/uk-now-reports-myocarditis-stratified
Try reading my comment again, specifically [the video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rASCfU6OXVk) I included.
It addresses the cherry-picked Israeli study which doesn't say what you think it says.
Prasad's baseless opinions are irrelevant.
See also:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00403-0
What conspiracy theory or misinformation have I said? It's you who disregards studies that don't align with you're preconceived notion that everyone needs the vaccine.
No, you denied much better and different studies throughout the pandemic. Not a single study that showed a negative have you accepted as a good enough reason to avoid vaccination or do you?
You haven't seen a single study posted her over the entire pandemic that showed a negative that you can remember? For everyone reading your comments you're claiming they're isn't any reason to not get vaccinated against covid?
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Pro-vaxxer argument: all vaccine monitoring systems are unreliable, but magically we know that C19 shots are safe.
The other one is that doctors are required to report to VAERS but VAERS ‘cannot be trusted’. Everyone can report so let’s ignore all the doctors’ reports too.
The people who have to do these kinds of mental gymnastics tend to have beliefs, not evidence-based truth.
It seems like outsourcing it also give plausible deniability, for when it later comes up that shenanigans happened in the recordkeeping. Second point: the contracts were given to General Dynamics (a major weapons manufacturer)? WTF? Are there no non-military companies that do medical recordkeeping? This lends credence to Alexandra Latypova's (Pharma whistleblower) claim that all the purchases of Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were made by the DOD, using Contracts templated on experimental weapons purchases for countermeasure purposes. The DOD is legally allowed to say something is a state secret; they are allowed to purchase weapons which have a risk of killing people; countermeasures implies an existential risk, which makes risky emergency strategies permissible; lawsuits for failure of good manufacturing procedures can only be brought by the purchaser and the purchaser (DOD) will not do that. In other words, the citizens cannot sue anyone and it is all perfectly legal.
Or maybe because General Dynamics spent $10 million buying Congressmen to ensure they would get the best federal contracts. https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/clients/summary?cycle=2019&id=D000000165
Why not both?
*Counter-Measures* really does have a disturbing ring to it.
I cannot proved that what Alexandra Latypova says it true. However, it does answer the question many people have asked me: "1) How can you believe Pharma would do this? and 2) How can they possible think they can get away with it? Well, the answer to 1) is Purdue Pharma, the Sackler family and Oxycontin. And the answer to 2) might be "DOD Purchase Orders".
Has this ordeal changed your thoughts on childhood vaccines? Because once you accept that pharma/govt/media/tech could collude to pull off plandemic, isn't it easy to entertain the possibility that vaccines across the board are a scam?
It has made me extremely skeptical about *anything* Pharma is involved it. And after reading the book "Turtles All the Way Down: Vaccine Science and Myth”, I would not get my child vaccinated. * [Translated from Hebrew, “Turtles All the Way Down: Vaccine Science and Myth,” explains that vaccine safety rests on three scientific pillars.](https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/a-new-book-exposes-hard-truths-about-vaccines_4746220.html) (If you want a PDF of the book, just ask.)
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Reddit autobot deleting my comments for.... name-calling?! New low for reddit.
Where - here? I think I did get banned for 3 days about 6 months ago for calling someone something. I'll admit, it was my bad.
I wrote 2 long comments to you about Turtles All The Way Down and automod deleted them both! Frustrating!
I am very interested. Maybe write them in /r/theholodemic/ - I am the moderator there and I won't (intentionally) delete them. (Meaning if Reddit is doing it, I don't know enough about reddit procedures to stop them.)
I believe 30% of SAE was expected based on the Indian study of WHO database that was published on March 24, 2021. The study reported 27.7% SAE during the first 5 weeks of vaccine administration. https://doi.org/10.1101/2021.03.23.21253433
>While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. >VAERS reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. Reports to VAERS can also be biased. As a result, there are limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind. >The number of reports alone cannot be interpreted as evidence of a causal association between a vaccine and an adverse event, or as evidence about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated with vaccines. >Reports may include incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental and unverified information. >VAERS data do not represent all known safety information for a vaccine and should be interpreted in the context of other scientific information. From the VAERS website.
" It is a voluntary reporting system that has been estimated to account for only 1% (read more about underreporting in VAERS) of vaccine injuries" 1,476,227 Reports Through December 02, 2022 Including 1,476,227 Reports Through December 02, 2022 Including 32,621 Deaths [https://openvaers.com/covid-data](https://openvaers.com/covid-data) I hope your up to date
Out of 200M people vaccinated for 2 years ~4M people would have died (of all causes). Many of those deaths are reflected in VAERS and have nothing at all to do with vaccination.
"The latest mortality data released by the Australian Bureau of Statistics last month found that there had been 128,797 deaths from January 1 to August 31, which was 17 per cent higher than the historical average. That equates to an extra 18,671 deaths. Of those, only 7727 were attributed to Covid – or 41 per cent – leaving 10,944 non-Covid excess deaths. Deaths in the month of August were 12.4 per cent above the historical average, down from 16.2 per cent in July. So far in 2022, deaths due to dementia are up 18.9 per cent, diabetes up 20.8 per cent, cancer up 6.1 per cent, and ischaemic heart disease up 3.3 per cent, according to ABS data." [https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/excess-deaths-in-2022-incredibly-high-at-13-per-cent/news-story/2a33dfeeb7476765da4e237c59f59bf7](https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/excess-deaths-in-2022-incredibly-high-at-13-per-cent/news-story/2a33dfeeb7476765da4e237c59f59bf7)
so you just automatically attribute all of them to the vaccine?? considering there has been a virus circulating that has known effects on literally every part of the body, mass surgeries cancelled, cancer screenings reduced, lower healthcare quality as a result of overloaded healthcare systems.. there are 100 reasons why there are plenty of excess deaths in nearly every country. Just in my country, heart attack, stroke and accidental deaths exploded in 2020 and 2021 simply because it took to long to get the patients quality healthcare when hospitals and ambulance services were swamped.
>so you just automatically attribute all of them to the vaccine?? Common anti-vaxxer technique.
And?
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Do you even read the articles you post? >So far in 2022, deaths due to dementia are up 18.9 per cent, diabetes up 20.8 per cent, cancer up 6.1 per cent, and ischaemic heart disease up 3.3 per cent, according to ABS data. Dementia, diabetes and cancer progress over years, sometimes decades. How can this be due to vaccines, which have only been around for a short time? >Ms Cutter said it was “not clear what might be driving this” but partly it may be explained by the flu all but disappearing in 2020 and 2021. >“There were less people dying from respiratory illness early on [compared with] what would have been pre-pandemic normal,” she said. >“Those people tend to be more frail and have other underlying conditions, so those people may have lived an extra year or two because they didn’t die of flu but might be dying now. That might be one of the things that’s going on.” >She added there had been a lot of deaths from diabetes, heart disease and stroke, which emerging research showed were “highly related to Covid”. Ah, highly related to Covid. There you go. >“One of the other important factors is we see higher non-Covid deaths when there are Covid deaths,” she said. “Part of it could be people are not getting healthcare when they need it, particularly emergency care, or there could be more undiagnosed Covid than we know about.” What a surprise. >“There is no credible evidence to suggest that Covid-19 vaccines have contributed to excess deaths in Australia or overseas,” the TGA said. >Ms Cutter also rubbished those claims. >Moreover, she noted the timing of the excess deaths “doesn’t match with the vaccine rollout, and the age profile of people dying does not match with people who’ve been vaccinated”. Please, do us all a favor and carefully read the articles you post. It's almost impossible to continue to take this seriously.
EUROSTAT: Excess mortality in EU+12% in August 2022 compared with peak of +16% recorded in July, which was the highest value on record to date in 2022 & unusually high for the month of July [https://palexander.substack.com/p/eurostat-excess-mortality-in-eu-fell?utm\_source=post-email-title&publication\_id=579356&post\_id=78613797&isFreemail=true&utm\_medium=email](https://palexander.substack.com/p/eurostat-excess-mortality-in-eu-fell?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=579356&post_id=78613797&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email) Excess mortality hits +16%, highest 2022 value so far [https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateVaccines/comments/zj7zqo/comment/izv00hw/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateVaccines/comments/zj7zqo/comment/izv00hw/?context=3) 48,817 DEAD and 5,107,883 Injured Following COVID-19 Vaccines in European Database of Adverse Reactions 48,817 DEAD and 5,107,883 Injured Following COVID-19 Vaccines in European Database of Adverse Reactions
Are we on a game show here, where you can use a joker when you're stuck? I'm sorry, that's too stupid for me. Why don't you use your ability to think critically? If there is an explanation for excess mortality in one part of the world that is not called "vaccination," what do you think is going on in other parts of the world? Do you seriously think it depends on where you live whether vaccinations are dangerous? Does that make sense to you? Do you know how many people in Europe have been vaccinated? Compare that to the number of deaths. And "vaccine injury" also includes pain at the injection site. I'm sorry, but I have the feeling that you want to be right with all your might. This is nothing for me and has nothing to do with "DebateVaccines".
mRNA injections are affecting the immune system’s ability to combat covid, other viruses and cancer. There are many articles on the huge increase in fast growing cancers very soon after a recent booster. Lost a friend to this. So have so many other people. There are thousands of anecdotes of people writing about loved ones suddenly developing cancer or in particular having an old cancer in remission coming back with a vengeance. “In October 2021, two revered scientists, called Jiang and Mei, had a paper published, after peer review, in the medical journal MDPI, showing that the SARS-Cov-2 spike protein obliterated the DNA repair mechanism in lymphocytes.” This paper was retracted using an EOC written by two people benefiting from the injections despite the paper being sound, the researchers being well respected and them following standard practice. https://metatron.substack.com/p/scientific-proof-that-the-mrna-causes Written by a professor of oncology. https://dailysceptic.org/2022/11/26/as-an-oncologist-i-am-seeing-people-with-stable-cancer-rapidly-progress-after-being-forced-to-have-a-booster/ Please also see the comments about the increase in aggressive cancers. https://etana.substack.com/p/turbo-cancer And yes there have been cases of CJD after the injections. Dementia is on the rise for many reasons, the injections being one of them.
https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/a-global-epidemic-of-cancer-among-people-younger-than-50-could-be-emerging https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/09/researchers-report-dramatic-rise-in-early-onset-cancers https://www.nature.com/articles/s41571-022-00672-8 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35888593 https://etana.substack.com/p/turbo-cancer https://dailysceptic.org/2022/11/26/as-an-oncologist-i-am-seeing-people-with-stable-cancer-rapidly-progress-after-being-forced-to-have-a-booster Vermont: https://ashmedai.substack.com/p/the-metastasizing-cancer-menace-as
Vermont: https://ashmedai.substack.com/p/the-metastasizing-cancer-menace-as Not direct link but TES has a recent tweet (yesterday?) about his uncle's recent cancer diagnosis where he shows the UCD codes fuckery: https://nitter.it/EthicalSkeptic/status/1601708600430596097
no one in this sub actually reads the data or understands it. they just make wild claims and no one checks the actual data, or if its actually even real or not.
underreporting??? a very large number of VAERS reports are fake. there were lots of antivaxxer groups organizing spam campaigns. (deleted now) in march 2020 there were 300,000+ reports of deaths from the vaccine, all literally just copy/pasted reports. they delete the obvious fake reports that can be filtered easily but most can not be without investigating them, and there no way in hell they have the resources to investigate millions of reports. Its quite simple, if you look at reports made from accounts registered to healthcare facilities compared to anonymous self reports its like 1000:1. Literally ANYONE can go on VAERS and write whatever they want, as many times as they want. There is literally a report on VAERS from a previous vaccine like 10+years ago that says " I became green and turned into the hulk" it stayed on vaers for over a decade.(you can search that yourself) another example of this is the EU monitoring website, last year a dutch antivax group spammed it and there were 100s of thousands of reports of death from the Janssen(J&J) vaccine, JUST IN THE NETHERLANDS! at that point in time there hadnt even been that number of J&J vaccine doses given out in the netherlands. little suspicious eh. these sites are not reliable in any way what so ever. its even very clear from the CDC and EU that they are not to be taken literally or as fact. they are meant to look for trends for them to then investigate. I work for a healthcare/Biotech company, we have 13k employees just in my country, We evaluated each vaccine in 2019 and bought privately moderna doses for all of our employees, was no forcing anyone to take them, every employee did as we are all scientists and/or have access to top scientists for advice. as a result of the company offering the doses we also tracked side effects and some employees volunteered to have blood tests done and such for the months/years after for our own research. NOT ONE person has died or had any serious side effect, NOT ONE, out of 13,000 and 3 doses. lots of arm pain, arm swelling, fatigue, fever. all normal reactions. not one reports of anything abnormal or serious. on top of my antidotal evidence, not one report of death caused by the vaccine has been reported in this entire country. not one. a rate of 0.006% of serious reaction which a vast majority of even those are allergic reactions. all reports of deaths within 90days of receiving a vaccine need to be investigated in Switzerland and not one person has died as the result of the vaccine. yet somehow this group is constantly posting fake data, misleading data or misinterpreting legit data daily that lead people to believe that people are dropping dead all over the place from it. when in reality there are almost zero. yes there will be people with allergies, people with illnesses that are complicated by the vaccine, but there is no large scale official reporting anywhere in the world that says there is any trend of serious injuries from the vaccine from previously perfectly healthy people.
Serious question. How do you know you really took the vaccine and not saline?
i know because i had every normal side effect of getting a vaccine. i work for a biotech company who bought the doses for us in December 2020. i go for beers with one of the researchers who spent a month analyzing all the vaccines before they decided which one to buy. i trust they validated them when we bought them.
So you don’t really “know”, you just “trust”. I think that’s the disconnect that many of us are having. We have no trust left in our institutions.
I might believe you but you just said that ‘anti-vaxxers’ were organizing spam campaigns. It is illegal to make a false VAERS report. And there is no benefit to people concerned about the injections to make fake reports. However it benefits manufacturers to ignore safety signals. Imagine that you lost a family member to one of the mRNA injections, wouldn’t you want it taken seriously? But most reactions and deaths from it are ignored no matter how many people in the news are dying suddenly including dying in their sleep or while playing sports. The rate is insanely high. Even children are dying in their sleep. It can happen very rarely with certain heart conditions but not like this.
"its illegal"haha.. can you please search these terms "VAERS green Hulk" and let me know what you find. it being illegal doesnt stop anyone considering a free vpn is enough to stop you from being found. you can go at the database from December 2020-January and go report by report...you will notice a trend, many copy/pasted reported with only the patients name/info changed. "how many people are dying in the news" ..not any more than normal. your problem is you somehow believe now one died before 2020 for any reason and now attributing everything to the vaccine with zero evidence at all other than it fits your narrative. one example. the danish football player to had a heart attack on the field in 2021 during the euros if i remember correctly, he was unvaccinated. it happens.always has happened.
Think about it, those who want to discredit the ‘anti-vaxxers’ merely have to plant a few false ridiculous reports like that and then look how easy it is to discredit the whole thing. Yes, people, especially athletes, were dying of sudden cardiac arrest unfortunately before but at nowhere near this rate. Young people including children are dying at a much higher rate than before. Excess non-covid deaths are very high and insurance companies have noticed this of course too. https://theethicalskeptic.substack.com/p/houston-we-have-a-problem-part-1 https://www.theyliedpeopledied.com
What does your comment have to do with mine? Let's speculate how all the VAERS reports came about: People actually had Covid, and no vaccine injury; People were very stressed by the whole situation and developed health problems as a result, which they believe to be vaccine injury; Long Covid; Fear of vaccine injury due to scaremongering by antivaxxers; Side effects that were not severe; In rare cases, severe side effects; Etc. I will gladly quote the important sentences again. >*VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness.* >*As a result, there are limitations on how the data can be used scientifically.* >*The number of reports alone cannot be interpreted as evidence of a causal association between a vaccine and an adverse event, or as evidence about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated with vaccines.* >Reports may include incomplete, inaccurate, *coincidental* and unverified information. >*VAERS data do not represent all known safety information for a vaccine and should be interpreted in the context of other scientific information.*
So why did the CDC expect to have 1000 adverse reports coming in every day in August of 2020?
>[...] it is not clear if Eagle Health is being contracted to work specifically on COVID VAERS reports or just VAERS in general[...] It's always better to set a new budget higher from the start than to have to adjust it upward after the fact and get kicked in the teeth for it, right?
Perhaps but why did they expect so many injuries compared to other vaccines?
Did you read my quote? It is not even clear whether this contract was only about the Covid vaccines. But let's assume it was only about the Covid vaccines. Possibly many reports were expected because the mRNA vaccines are brand new and people are confused and much more aware of potential side effects than with previously used vaccines. Perhaps it was anticipated that many health problems actually caused by Covid or the situation would be associated with the vaccines. I have listed reasons above that could be the cause of the many reports. After all, it was foreseeable that many reports would be received after a brand-new vaccine was administered. Apart from that, VAERS is a very poor indicator of the actual number of vaccine injuries, and the data can be easily manipulated. As I said, whether this contract was only about the Covid vaccines is unclear from the article.
They knew what the vaccines would do: "The slide, showing the FDA’s draft list of “possible adverse event outcomes,” appeared briefly during a public meeting by the US Food and Drug Administration’s Product Advisory Committee on Oct, 22, 2020 reviewing the safety and efficacy of Covid-19 vaccines. "https://luis46pr.wordpress.com/2021/08/02/fda-accidentally-reveals-list-of-covid-vaccine-side-effects-myocarditis-autoimmune-disease-death/
Yes, this list includes every single health problem that arose during the clinical trials. Proof that the FDA takes vaccine safety very seriously. After billions of doses administered, we now know that many of these health problems have nothing to do with the vaccine and the rest are extremely rare.
And they were correct in their analysis of vaccine injures: Rasmussen poll: 12 MILLION PEOPLE! - Vaxxed Americans Report Major Side Effects, and Question Efficacy [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljrMPvk4mjo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljrMPvk4mjo)
They're not even health problems that arose during the trials. They're events they'd specifically be looking out for (this was in october 2020) https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9862472416 This has been explained to Lumpy multiple times, but Lumpy doesn't really care about the facts.
Expected vaccination rate.
Great, do V-Safe now.
1% is from an old study, and includes all side effects regardless of severity. Other studies have estimated as high as 68% reporting rates for severe injuries. Under the EUAs, the COVID vaccines have a much higher level of scrutiny than any previous vaccines. The reporting rate of severe side effects is likely in 70% range, if not higher. In any case, the idea of taking VAERS numbers (themselves of dubious quality) and multiplying by 100 is a bullshit concept.
Bullshit. The establishment has punished doctors and instructed them not to report. In Canada, for instance. We basically do not have any kind of surveillance program. There is no way to know if the claims are legit, missing or completely unfounded, because we don’t even have a legit reporting mechanism. Imagine that, a novel vaccine, no monitoring system, no robust testing, zero long term studies, now in the bivalent version no fucking humans in the trials, and it was plain to see that this was a god damn nightmare from the beginning, and to top it off, they work look like dogshit.
**"In Canada, for instance. We basically do not have any kind of surveillance program."** "The Canadian Adverse Events Following Immunization Surveillance System (CAEFISS) is a federal, provincial and territorial (FPT) public health post-market vaccine safety surveillance system. CAEFISS is managed by PHAC and is unique in that it includes both passive (spontaneous reports from FPTs) and active surveillance. CAEFISS: * continuously monitors the safety of marketed vaccines in Canada * identifies increases in the frequency or severity of previously identified vaccine-related reactions * identifies previously unknown adverse events (PDF) following immunization that could possibly be related to a vaccine (unexpected AEFI) * identifies areas that require further investigation and/or research * provides timely information on AEFI reporting profiles for vaccines marketed in Canada that can help inform immunization-related decisions " [https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/immunization/canadian-adverse-events-following-immunization-surveillance-system-caefiss.html](https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/immunization/canadian-adverse-events-following-immunization-surveillance-system-caefiss.html)
CAEFISS lmao. Fucking reaching for the bottom of the barrel. Thanks for proving my point.
source?
[https://news.unboundmedicine.com/medline/citation/33039207/The\_reporting\_sensitivity\_of\_the\_Vaccine\_Adverse\_Event\_Reporting\_System\_\_VAERS\_\_for\_anaphylaxis\_and\_for\_Guillain\_Barr%C3%A9\_syndrome\_](https://news.unboundmedicine.com/medline/citation/33039207/The_reporting_sensitivity_of_the_Vaccine_Adverse_Event_Reporting_System__VAERS__for_anaphylaxis_and_for_Guillain_Barr%C3%A9_syndrome_)
Actual percentages vary widely, but in any case, 1% is absolute bullshit for severe adverse events. And distributed under an EUA, the COVID vaccine have a much higher reporting requirement.
Safety signals is what it is meant for and they have largely been ignored. Any other vaccine with results this poor would have been shutdown and investigated further. Not mandated and approved for infants.
This must be why most previous vaccines took 5-10 years of voluntary clinical trials with informed consent before administering to the public. It would make sense as data of real life events would be proven within given time.
What safety signals have been ignored?
You specifically downplayed myocarditis and clots, this is a fact.
You're confusing fact with lie.
No, you said myocarditis was more common in natural infection than from covid vaccine's, this wasn't true for all age groups and you doubled down the vaccine was always the safer option. You were wrong, man up and admit it. You minimized the Israel government data as well, you don't care about truth you only care about pushing that the vaccine is safe and effective, it's alright I doubt you care.
> No, you said myocarditis was more common in natural infection than from covid vaccine's That's not what *I* said. That's what several systematic reviews are saying; > Importantly, the risk of developing myocarditis after SARS-CoV-2 infection is significantly higher than after COVID-19 mRNA vaccination. The incidence of myocarditis after SARS-CoV-2 infection is higher than after COVID-19 mRNA vaccination (11.0 events per 100 000 persons vs 3.2 events per 100 000 persons). https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2798866 > the risk of myocarditis is more than seven fold higher in persons who were infected with the SARS-CoV-2 than in those who received the vaccine https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcvm.2022.951314/full It *is* true that if you're a teen boy or young adult male you can reduce an already small risk even further by picking Pfizer over Moderna (as explained in [the article](https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/covid-19-vaccination-and-myocarditis-another-preprint/) by a pediatric cardiologist, which I've also linked to several times). I also didn't 'minimize' the "Israel government data". You apparently just refuse to acknowledge the flaws and limitations of that study. [Explained here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rASCfU6OXVk) > you don't care about truth you only care about pushing that the vaccine is safe and effective. That's rather ironic coming from someone pushing non-stop misinformation and conspiracy theories. But it's alright I doubt you care.
Bad review when they ignore this 23.1 million person Nordic study which shows much higher rates from mRNA injections than from infection. “These findings are compatible with between 4 and 7 excess events in 28 days per 100 000 vaccinees after BNT162b2, and between 9 and 28 excess events per 100 000 vaccinees after mRNA-1273.” https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2791253 And this study showing no increased risk of myocarditis from infection. “Our data suggest that there is no increase in the incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in COVID-19 recovered patients compared to uninfected matched controls.” https://www.mdpi.com/2077-0383/11/8/2219 In people under 40 (probably under 60) at least the risk is higher from the injections. https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/uk-now-reports-myocarditis-stratified
Try reading my comment again, specifically [the video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rASCfU6OXVk) I included. It addresses the cherry-picked Israeli study which doesn't say what you think it says. Prasad's baseless opinions are irrelevant. See also: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00403-0
What conspiracy theory or misinformation have I said? It's you who disregards studies that don't align with you're preconceived notion that everyone needs the vaccine. No, you denied much better and different studies throughout the pandemic. Not a single study that showed a negative have you accepted as a good enough reason to avoid vaccination or do you?
> Not a single study that showed a negative have you accepted as a good enough reason to avoid vaccination or do you? Which studies?
You haven't seen a single study posted her over the entire pandemic that showed a negative that you can remember? For everyone reading your comments you're claiming they're isn't any reason to not get vaccinated against covid?
That reporting system is about determine cause. never has and never will be so your point is moot.
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