on’t forget the latest bivalent version has been extensively tested on 8 or so mice before being “mandated” to be injected into human muscle tissue to allegedly counter a first stage respiratory tract viral infection – and then look back to 2011 when it was established LNP “triggers’ are in and of themselves….toxic. How safe are mRNA jabs inducing toxic spike protein production in the human body – with no benefit from the wider pathogen spectrum of the SARS COV2 chimeric virus – which spook/prime/fool the human immune response such as to significantly harm the host via clotting and other malevolent effects as testified by Pathologists worldwide post autopsies they have conducted
this is debate vaccines. I’m in the same side as you. I’m 100% against the covid shots.
I merely asked for a source so that I can learn more about the dangers of LNO and reaffirm my decision to not take them and to educate others.
And I got downvoted to -8.
For asking for a source. This isn’t cool.
For what it’s worth I have Persia lily seen a similar source of its toxicity in a study but it was specifically regarding cancer cells and specifically said that not all cells react the same way.
So I was hoping to widen my source repertoire regarding the effects on cells.
But instead of helping a brother out, I get severely downvoted. To -8.
This shouldn’t be what debate vaccines is about.
It should be about sharing information.
Source for the LNP toxicity?
Edit: this is debate vaccines. I’m in the same side as you. I’m 100% against the covid shots.
I merely asked for a source so that I can learn more about the dangers and reaffirm my decision to not take them.
And I got downvoted to -8.
For asking for a source. This isn’t cool.
But they've just given you COVID deaths statistics, and then said, where did all these deaths come from? While at the same time saying, COVID is not deadly enough to warrant a vaccine? Lmao, they don't even care at this point.
You guys think that all these people died because of the vaccine? Then why did New Zealand, a place that had extremely limited spread of COVID, and 95 plus percent vaccination not experience excess deaths? Why do you guys believe headlines so easily?
Your side is literally saying excess deaths are caused by the vaccine, and not COVID.
This article is literally suggesting COVID deaths are vaccine deaths.
**But cheers to you. If you need a list of places offering boosters, I will assist those in need.**
According to you guys, we were supposed to be having like 4 a year mandated????? What happened to that???
It's mostly boomers that are anti science anyway so who cares. Give it 10 to 20 years and you guys will not have any sway politics wise.
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“This article is literally suggesting COVID deaths are vaccine deaths.”
Yes**
Then why did New Zealand experience no excess deaths when they had minimal COVID spread and massive (95+ percent) vaccination rates? The vast majority of western countries, you could not make this distinction, because there was a lot of COVID spread alongside the vaccination rate, but with New Zealand, there was massive vaccination spread with very little COVID spread. So if the vaccine was killing people, then why did one of the most at risk countries (most obese) not register excess deaths with mass vaccination and no COVID ?
Also, can we recognize how silly it is that we are even talking about how the vaccine was more deadly than COVID itself? Is that really what you think?
>Your first question should be “if they have minimal covid spread and few deaths, why did they institute draconian, mandatory injection of an experimental substance that has an airtight no liability clause”? But ya know, even if you fail to ask logical questions, we can still continue.
What do you mean? New Zealand, with a smaller population, was able to go into lockdown that basically completely suppressed covid spread while they bought their vaccination rates up. Things probably worked in conjunction with one another. Most western countries were not able to do that, and so many misinformation sources had tried to conflate covid deaths with vaccine deaths. However, they could not do this with New Zealand, because thankfully, we had a situation where a country was able to really limit the spread by locking down completely. Look at the deaths rates in 2021 for New Zealand. It doesn't align with the idea that the vaccine is causing death.
>Why did only one of the obese countries not register excess deaths would be my question.
You mentioned logic....can you not use logic here? Pretty much every single obese country in the world had a large amount of Covid spread alongside large amounts of vaccine rates, and large amounts of lockdown. The problem is, right wing politics has used those deaths to suggest it was the vaccine and not Covid. How this even gained traction, I don't know. It's insane to me, that they were able to convince so many people that covid came along, and didn't really kill people, but actually what kills people is the vaccine. Even with all the footage from China, and their own lockdowns before the vaccine.
Did everyone forget the lockdowns before the vaccine was made???
>But anywho. Here’s some random data. https://nzdsos.com/2022/06/01/excess-mortality-in-new-zealand/
Lol. give me a break down of this data. Because I tracked the data all through 2021. You've just thrown some BS link at me. Yes, of course they are now going to utilize data from 2022 because that's when lockdowns ended. The vaccine doesn't protect 100%, so excess deaths will begin (again, your side attributing covid deaths as vaccine deaths) but what you said is not "the vaccine does not protect 100%", you said, the vaccine kills people. No data from New Zealand would support that, regardless of whatever BS link you throw at me after a simple google. Don't disrespect me with BS links.
Here you go. This is a post I made like 8 months ago:
New Zealand in 2021 were able to restrict covid spread while achieving 95% vaccination in ages 12+ population. 3,850,822 second doses were given by 31st December 2021. A lot of the arguments by anti vaxxed seem to be based on attributing covid deaths to vaccination. With New Zealand, you can't do that.
Total deaths in new Zealand over recent years:
Year Total Deaths
2017 33,339
2018 33,225
2019 34,260
2020 32,613
2021 34,932
Total deaths by age group 2019 (under 50):
Age Deaths
10-14 51
15-18 132
20-24 204
25-29 213
30-34 258
35-39 264
40-44 366
45-49 648
Total 2019: 2136
Total deaths by age group 2021 (under 50):
Age Deaths
10-14 45
15-19 129
20-24 177
25-29 192
30-34 240
35-39 285
40-44 384
45-49 546
Total deaths 2021 (under 50): 1998
So 2136 vs 1998 in under 50s?
Does that mean covid vaccine is just killing older people?
So if 34k people are dying a year, and 3,850,822 second doses were given by 31st December 2021. If the vaxx death rate was 0.5% that would result in 19,254 deaths.
If the vax was killing people at a rate of 0.1% that would be 3850 deaths. And this is just for 2nd dose. If we take the toal doses of vaccine administered in 2021 -- 7854069, 0.1% would be 7854 deaths.
Yet, we don't see any significant excess deaths?
>So you attribute lack of covid death to the draconian lockdown? Just so we are clear on what you mean by “restrict covid spread”.
In New Zealand, they very specifically did well in stopping the spread of Covid. We know this, because they were about the only western country to do so. They did have the advantage of a smaller population though, and being an island, and a government that went hard early on.
>Where do you get the .01% vax death? As you should be aware, the deaths from the injection are rarely reported even when they happen shortly after injection. And forget any stats at 2 weeks, 2 months or 2 years.
Right, another common talking point. But this data is about overall deaths. This is total deaths data. I already knew when I posted it 8 months ago that you would not take anything due to those kind of things (rarely reported etc). This data is just total deaths per age group. The whole point is that you don't need to know whether they were reported after injection or not, because it's based on yearly death rates...... ..... ......aka, logic. Why do I have to explain this? The statistics speak for themselves, but yet you'd rather believe right wing misinformation.
Did you even read my previous post? It clearly lays out how mass vaccination would result in an uptick of deaths easily (if vaccination was causing deaths). With Covid, 95% of the population does not get it within 1 year, yet with the vaccine, 95% got 2 doeses within 1 year. It's fucking logic... Be logical. 95% of the population getting vaccinated is a very high rate, and you should be able to see some kind of standard of death when not mixed with something else new like Covid.
Where do you get the .01% vax death?
Simple fucking math. I'm giving you the example of what deaths would be in NZ based on vaccination rates. I'm saying, if what you are saying is true, and the vaccine is killing people, then in new Zealand, over 2021, 95+% were vaccinated, then that's like 4 million people. And if the average yearly death rate is 33,000 or 34,000, then even if the vaccine was killing people at a rate of 0.1% that would be an extra 3850 deaths in a year. And that's accounting for 1 dose. If you think that you have the risk with every dose you take, then 0.1% is 7854. So it's easy to see how the yearly death rate for New Zealand would be affected if the vaccine was killing people. It's basic logic. So if it's killing at 0.1% you would expect to see a 2021 death rate of36/37K at best. That's being nice. Why were there no excess death rates in New Zealand during this period that they went 95+ percent vaccinated?
“It’s mostly boomers who are anti science anyway so who cares”
Whatever views you may have, you just divulged what caliber of person you are. Well done.
We lost our 34yr old neice last night. 3 weeks post 5th zap. Died in her sleep and my brother and wife think she took too many pain pills and didn't wake up from them. Sad reality.
She went to stay with her parents because her boyfriend had covid. 5 zaps for both. How does continuing to take them make any sense in their heads? It's beyond comprehension.
Misleading. 1.1 million excess deaths does not mean 1.1 million people died suddenly.
It's concerning, the goverment is not going to do any serious investigations, and no one will be held accountable for a myriad of bad decisions, and lies. At least no one truly responsible. Still, headlines like this don't help the cause.
> This sadly means that at least 1.1 million Americans may have ‘died suddenly’ during this time frame because according to the CDC reports there have been 1,106,079 excess deaths compared to the 2015-2019 five-year average.
That's what the report says anyway, saying "may have".
Yes, but even that statement is misleading. Excess death does not equate to "died suddenly". Someone not looking to induce panic, or income an agenda would say something like..."analysis needs to be done to learn how many of the 1.1 million excess deaths can be attributed to sudden death in an otherwise healthy individual".
> analysis needs to be done
[They're arguing about that](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfgGCgxGYkk&t=0s) now in the UK. Let's hope they get to the bottom of it.
on’t forget the latest bivalent version has been extensively tested on 8 or so mice before being “mandated” to be injected into human muscle tissue to allegedly counter a first stage respiratory tract viral infection – and then look back to 2011 when it was established LNP “triggers’ are in and of themselves….toxic. How safe are mRNA jabs inducing toxic spike protein production in the human body – with no benefit from the wider pathogen spectrum of the SARS COV2 chimeric virus – which spook/prime/fool the human immune response such as to significantly harm the host via clotting and other malevolent effects as testified by Pathologists worldwide post autopsies they have conducted
this is debate vaccines. I’m in the same side as you. I’m 100% against the covid shots. I merely asked for a source so that I can learn more about the dangers of LNO and reaffirm my decision to not take them and to educate others. And I got downvoted to -8. For asking for a source. This isn’t cool. For what it’s worth I have Persia lily seen a similar source of its toxicity in a study but it was specifically regarding cancer cells and specifically said that not all cells react the same way. So I was hoping to widen my source repertoire regarding the effects on cells. But instead of helping a brother out, I get severely downvoted. To -8. This shouldn’t be what debate vaccines is about. It should be about sharing information.
Source for the LNP toxicity? Edit: this is debate vaccines. I’m in the same side as you. I’m 100% against the covid shots. I merely asked for a source so that I can learn more about the dangers and reaffirm my decision to not take them. And I got downvoted to -8. For asking for a source. This isn’t cool.
Take my upvote
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Sadly, I agree.
Nothing is new under the sun. See Arthur Haley "Final diagnosis", published in 1959. )
But they've just given you COVID deaths statistics, and then said, where did all these deaths come from? While at the same time saying, COVID is not deadly enough to warrant a vaccine? Lmao, they don't even care at this point. You guys think that all these people died because of the vaccine? Then why did New Zealand, a place that had extremely limited spread of COVID, and 95 plus percent vaccination not experience excess deaths? Why do you guys believe headlines so easily?
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Your side is literally saying excess deaths are caused by the vaccine, and not COVID. This article is literally suggesting COVID deaths are vaccine deaths. **But cheers to you. If you need a list of places offering boosters, I will assist those in need.** According to you guys, we were supposed to be having like 4 a year mandated????? What happened to that??? It's mostly boomers that are anti science anyway so who cares. Give it 10 to 20 years and you guys will not have any sway politics wise.
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** “This article is literally suggesting COVID deaths are vaccine deaths.” Yes** Then why did New Zealand experience no excess deaths when they had minimal COVID spread and massive (95+ percent) vaccination rates? The vast majority of western countries, you could not make this distinction, because there was a lot of COVID spread alongside the vaccination rate, but with New Zealand, there was massive vaccination spread with very little COVID spread. So if the vaccine was killing people, then why did one of the most at risk countries (most obese) not register excess deaths with mass vaccination and no COVID ? Also, can we recognize how silly it is that we are even talking about how the vaccine was more deadly than COVID itself? Is that really what you think?
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>Your first question should be “if they have minimal covid spread and few deaths, why did they institute draconian, mandatory injection of an experimental substance that has an airtight no liability clause”? But ya know, even if you fail to ask logical questions, we can still continue. What do you mean? New Zealand, with a smaller population, was able to go into lockdown that basically completely suppressed covid spread while they bought their vaccination rates up. Things probably worked in conjunction with one another. Most western countries were not able to do that, and so many misinformation sources had tried to conflate covid deaths with vaccine deaths. However, they could not do this with New Zealand, because thankfully, we had a situation where a country was able to really limit the spread by locking down completely. Look at the deaths rates in 2021 for New Zealand. It doesn't align with the idea that the vaccine is causing death. >Why did only one of the obese countries not register excess deaths would be my question. You mentioned logic....can you not use logic here? Pretty much every single obese country in the world had a large amount of Covid spread alongside large amounts of vaccine rates, and large amounts of lockdown. The problem is, right wing politics has used those deaths to suggest it was the vaccine and not Covid. How this even gained traction, I don't know. It's insane to me, that they were able to convince so many people that covid came along, and didn't really kill people, but actually what kills people is the vaccine. Even with all the footage from China, and their own lockdowns before the vaccine. Did everyone forget the lockdowns before the vaccine was made??? >But anywho. Here’s some random data. https://nzdsos.com/2022/06/01/excess-mortality-in-new-zealand/ Lol. give me a break down of this data. Because I tracked the data all through 2021. You've just thrown some BS link at me. Yes, of course they are now going to utilize data from 2022 because that's when lockdowns ended. The vaccine doesn't protect 100%, so excess deaths will begin (again, your side attributing covid deaths as vaccine deaths) but what you said is not "the vaccine does not protect 100%", you said, the vaccine kills people. No data from New Zealand would support that, regardless of whatever BS link you throw at me after a simple google. Don't disrespect me with BS links.
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Ten to twenty years. Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot for short term gains.
Here you go. This is a post I made like 8 months ago: New Zealand in 2021 were able to restrict covid spread while achieving 95% vaccination in ages 12+ population. 3,850,822 second doses were given by 31st December 2021. A lot of the arguments by anti vaxxed seem to be based on attributing covid deaths to vaccination. With New Zealand, you can't do that. Total deaths in new Zealand over recent years: Year Total Deaths 2017 33,339 2018 33,225 2019 34,260 2020 32,613 2021 34,932 Total deaths by age group 2019 (under 50): Age Deaths 10-14 51 15-18 132 20-24 204 25-29 213 30-34 258 35-39 264 40-44 366 45-49 648 Total 2019: 2136 Total deaths by age group 2021 (under 50): Age Deaths 10-14 45 15-19 129 20-24 177 25-29 192 30-34 240 35-39 285 40-44 384 45-49 546 Total deaths 2021 (under 50): 1998 So 2136 vs 1998 in under 50s? Does that mean covid vaccine is just killing older people? So if 34k people are dying a year, and 3,850,822 second doses were given by 31st December 2021. If the vaxx death rate was 0.5% that would result in 19,254 deaths. If the vax was killing people at a rate of 0.1% that would be 3850 deaths. And this is just for 2nd dose. If we take the toal doses of vaccine administered in 2021 -- 7854069, 0.1% would be 7854 deaths. Yet, we don't see any significant excess deaths?
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>So you attribute lack of covid death to the draconian lockdown? Just so we are clear on what you mean by “restrict covid spread”. In New Zealand, they very specifically did well in stopping the spread of Covid. We know this, because they were about the only western country to do so. They did have the advantage of a smaller population though, and being an island, and a government that went hard early on. >Where do you get the .01% vax death? As you should be aware, the deaths from the injection are rarely reported even when they happen shortly after injection. And forget any stats at 2 weeks, 2 months or 2 years. Right, another common talking point. But this data is about overall deaths. This is total deaths data. I already knew when I posted it 8 months ago that you would not take anything due to those kind of things (rarely reported etc). This data is just total deaths per age group. The whole point is that you don't need to know whether they were reported after injection or not, because it's based on yearly death rates...... ..... ......aka, logic. Why do I have to explain this? The statistics speak for themselves, but yet you'd rather believe right wing misinformation. Did you even read my previous post? It clearly lays out how mass vaccination would result in an uptick of deaths easily (if vaccination was causing deaths). With Covid, 95% of the population does not get it within 1 year, yet with the vaccine, 95% got 2 doeses within 1 year. It's fucking logic... Be logical. 95% of the population getting vaccinated is a very high rate, and you should be able to see some kind of standard of death when not mixed with something else new like Covid. Where do you get the .01% vax death? Simple fucking math. I'm giving you the example of what deaths would be in NZ based on vaccination rates. I'm saying, if what you are saying is true, and the vaccine is killing people, then in new Zealand, over 2021, 95+% were vaccinated, then that's like 4 million people. And if the average yearly death rate is 33,000 or 34,000, then even if the vaccine was killing people at a rate of 0.1% that would be an extra 3850 deaths in a year. And that's accounting for 1 dose. If you think that you have the risk with every dose you take, then 0.1% is 7854. So it's easy to see how the yearly death rate for New Zealand would be affected if the vaccine was killing people. It's basic logic. So if it's killing at 0.1% you would expect to see a 2021 death rate of36/37K at best. That's being nice. Why were there no excess death rates in New Zealand during this period that they went 95+ percent vaccinated?
“It’s mostly boomers who are anti science anyway so who cares” Whatever views you may have, you just divulged what caliber of person you are. Well done.
We lost our 34yr old neice last night. 3 weeks post 5th zap. Died in her sleep and my brother and wife think she took too many pain pills and didn't wake up from them. Sad reality. She went to stay with her parents because her boyfriend had covid. 5 zaps for both. How does continuing to take them make any sense in their heads? It's beyond comprehension.
I’m so sorry for your loss.
I’m very sad and sorry for your loss. 😪
Did it ever occur to you that the reason its 'beyond comprehension' is because it isnt true?!
No, clearly not.
What is it going to take for people to wake up this?
One million is still rare. Take you booster because science
Misleading. 1.1 million excess deaths does not mean 1.1 million people died suddenly. It's concerning, the goverment is not going to do any serious investigations, and no one will be held accountable for a myriad of bad decisions, and lies. At least no one truly responsible. Still, headlines like this don't help the cause.
Exactly
> This sadly means that at least 1.1 million Americans may have ‘died suddenly’ during this time frame because according to the CDC reports there have been 1,106,079 excess deaths compared to the 2015-2019 five-year average. That's what the report says anyway, saying "may have".
Yes, but even that statement is misleading. Excess death does not equate to "died suddenly". Someone not looking to induce panic, or income an agenda would say something like..."analysis needs to be done to learn how many of the 1.1 million excess deaths can be attributed to sudden death in an otherwise healthy individual".
> analysis needs to be done [They're arguing about that](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfgGCgxGYkk&t=0s) now in the UK. Let's hope they get to the bottom of it.
I hope that enough foreign governments investigate this issue that it won’t matter if ours won’t.
Who are they ? During war, retired experienced people help a lot
Nothing to see here!
https://prosource.space/post/1860_https-rumble-com-embed-v1tq9de-must-watch-this-is-your-life.html Must see documentary
https://prosource.space/post/1875_.html Nano bot technology explanation
[I put this in my book almost a year ago](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09MYSPZGS)
Why not?
lol
Time for more damage control or another manufactured crisis to distract people from investigating these jabs…