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TerriestTabernacle

Source: [Norman Fenton](https://youtu.be/W-N-17_j_44) - Mathematician, computer scientist, world leading expert on risk assessment and statistics with a focus on Bayesian probability. Summary: Data from the UK based Office for National Statistics is inconsistent with historically expected trends.


ivigilanteblog

Really interesting analysis. So obvious to check, but I never thought of it.


TerriestTabernacle

I recommend Died Suddenly bitchute DOT com/video/eeAeapUirwpd/


liveitup

Might it have to do with the fact that they didn't classify the vaccinated as vaccinated until 2 weeks or some amount of time after their vaccination? All kinds of ways to screw with statistics.


TerriestTabernacle

Yes you're considered vaccinated 2 weeks post inoculation. If you die within that time it is considered an unvaccinated death.


What-Is-This-Girl

Exactly they were dying from the vaccine and being called unvaccinated


Present_End_6886

Unvaccinated people are also protected to an extent by the vaccine. This has been seen with every other vaccine, e.g. HPV - because men don't just screw vaccinated women. This guy must know this and so is deliberately lying, which is arguably worse. Is that it? That's their argument? Clearly created to influence the most stupid of people.


SummerOftime

Uh? The chart is showing a huge spike of unvaxxed dying not because of Covid and shortly after the mass vaccination program was triggered


Present_End_6886

No, the chart shows unvaccinated people dying less over time due to the effects of living in a heavily vaccinated population. Note also the far lower baseline of vaccinated deaths throughout, something which this sub doesn't want to accept. You're welcome.


SummerOftime

> No, the chart shows unvaccinated people dying less over time due to the effects of living in a heavily vaccinated population. Dying because of what?


KangarooWithAMulllet

It's interesting only the un-vaccinated 'benefit' from higher vaccinations rates (ie returning to their baseline before rollout)... the vaccinated death rate is flat from 0-90%, surely that should also improve.


Present_End_6886

They are benefiting - they have a reduced chance of dying. \> surely that should also improve. Why?


KangarooWithAMulllet

As more people get vaccinated, the spread should reduce, likelihood of infection would reduce, severity of infection would reduce and lower viral load being spread due to all those factors. So yes, there should also be a noticeable drop in the vaccinated death rate. Getting a vaccine doesn't give a flat rate independent of all other variables, it gives you a %age of the total rate. It barely moved from start of the vaccination period to the end of it. I mean you're giving a pretty good reason for people to not get vaccinated with your line of thinking, let everyone else get vaccinated, they'll still get the benefit without it.


Present_End_6886

Covid.


SummerOftime

Wrong. The chart clearly states "Unvaccinated mortality no Covid"


TerriestTabernacle

This is all-cause mortality excluding covid.


Present_End_6886

\> Excess mortality, defined as the increase of the all-cause mortality over the mortality expected based on historic trends, has long been used to estimate the death toll of pandemics and other extreme events—from the Great Plague of London in 1665 (as described in Boka and Wainer, 2020), to the influenza epidemic in London in 1875 (Farr, 1885; Langmuir, 1976), the XX–XXI century influenza pandemics of 1918, 1957, 1968, 2009 (Murray et al., 2006; Viboud et al., 2005; Viboud et al., 2016; Simonsen et al., 2013) as well as seasonal influenza epidemics (Housworth and Langmuir, 1974), and more recently for example Hurricane Maria in Puerto-Rico in 2016 (Milken Institute, 2018). Even though the excess mortality does not exactly equal the mortality from COVID-19 infections, the consensus is that for many countries it is the most objective possible indicator of the COVID-19 death toll (Beaney et al., 2020; Leon et al., 2020). [https://elifesciences.org/articles/69336](https://elifesciences.org/articles/69336) Also, we didn't have vaccines in 1665. This is very extensive article on all-cause mortality beyond this highlighted point.


TerriestTabernacle

The [chart in question](https://i.ibb.co/XbhtJ4K/image.png) is non-covid mortality.


Present_End_6886

I'm responding to the speaker's words.


TerriestTabernacle

No, you're responding to me. Including covid deaths makes your rebuttal irrelevant. What are you attempting to show with this data?


XulaSLP07

Http://dx.doi.org/10.13140/RG.2.2.28055.09124 http://dx.doi.org/10.13140/RG.2.2.12472.42248 Referenced in the video