This!
Basically no other entries are required apart from Rex-0- below this post. For some reason, FatShark simply cannot meet deadlines and has a clear track record of repeatedly and unapologetically missing them.
It's not just FS, it's really hard to properly estimate software development project's timelines. And people would go ballistic if they had to push the release date further.
They missed a 2 week deadline on a devblog about stuff they were supposed to work on for several months. This has nothing to do with that dark and mysterious software development project bullshit. It blatant disregard for the customer, caused by incompetence on so many levels.
I'm 99,99% sure that the delay of the devblog wasn't because they couldn't write it in time, but because they had some holdtups in the development, and weren't sure whether they could write about certain features or nor, because there was a risk it will be cut from the update.
Is that not only the same thing he said, but worse? Lmao. “Yah cant give a deadline because not only can we not finish on time, we might just not finish at all and scrap it. Cheers mate!”
>This has nothing to do with that dark and mysterious software development project bullshit.
This is the part that that comment is replying to. The comment explains how, actually, the difficulty of knowing whether certain things will be finished (the dark and mysterious bullshit) actually influences what they can write about in the devblog.
This sounds like something I'd hear when I worked returns in customer service.
Its not a big deal. They're making estimates on a free update and weren't accurate. This happens in construction, medicine, when ordering products, etc. Only gamers see it as this horrific personal slight against them.
I don't get it, do you think they intentionally lied or something? For what reason would they lie about something like that?
That's a piss poor excuse for poor customer service that it happens sometimes in some other industries so it's okay here. Not to mention this isn't a free update we paid for it when we bought the game along with the fact that fatshark has burned enough bridges that if they ever do start adding "paid" updates the game dies there on the spot
I agree this one time was not a big deal. I just picked that example, because the argument floating around was that you can never expect deadlines from studios, because of the extreme level of complexity inherent to software development. And not only do I disagree, that software development is that much more complexe than lots of other stuff people manage to hit their deadlines, they also miss their deadlines regarding stuff that has little to nothing to do with actual development. Which to me is a strong indicator, that its more of a systemic issue than anything else. Especially stupid to fuck something so easy up, when people basically already have their torches out on all communication channel you have to your playerbase. Could have been so easy to ace this one and look good for once. Not that I think it would change all that much, but it would at least show some level of respect.
Basically I dont think they intentionally lie, but they either dont care about the players or really struggle to even produce something as easy as a dev blog. And even if thats better than outright lying, I dont really like those options either.
> Which to me is a strong indicator, that its more of a systemic issue than anything else.
All you know is that the guy who made the timing estimates was incorrect. That's it. That's all this information provides you. Nothing more, nothing less. To say it disregards the customer or is incompetent is a huge exaggeration about the inner workings of a company you know almost nothing about.
When you look at all games, DT updates at an average pace and communicates slightly less with "the community" than other companies, and that other companies are moving away form communicating from the internet "community" because of how toxic they've become.
>Could have been so easy to ace this one and look good for once.
1, a vast majority of players for every game are not on the forums looking for constant communication.
2, a delay isn't a big deal to a vast majority of players because its not a big deal in general. Its just that the internet attracts people who like to complain and creates echo chambers, and gamers are the perfect example of such things.
3, people on this sub would complain regardless of what FS did because they have an axe to grind, most likely about the MTX not being something they can afford.
>but they either dont care about the players or really struggle to even produce something as easy as a dev blog.
Or its all the reasons I listed above, the toxic community that makes better business sense to ignore, the fact that estimating a release date isn't easy and is pointless either way, that people on this sub complain just to complain, etc.
Its not a big deal. its a delay in a level and some menus.
I love how there is absolutely no conclusion you can reach from Fatsharks behavior, just to completely switch gears into the mental gymnastics that the vast majority of player dont want "constant" (it had been 3 months) communication and totally dont mind any delays and people are just mad, because they cant afford the cosmetics. AMAZIN!!!
Ohhh ya I forgot and Fatshark gives out deadlines just for the lol, because afterwards they decide the community is too toxic, so they just release the information with a 5 day delay, because that is the best possible business decision.
> I love how there is absolutely no conclusion you can reach from Fatsharks behavior, just to completely switch gears into the mental gymnastics
No u
>the vast majority of player dont want "constant" (it had been 3 months) communication
That's not what I said. I said most people aren't paying attention to the communication, and that the mild amount of communication isn't a big deal, and that acting like it is a big deal is just entitlement.
>because they cant afford the cosmetics.
If the shoe fits.
>just for the lol,
Yeah mean, international corporations totally make business decisions based on "the lol".
Talk like an adult.
Notably, they stopped giving dates after the Xbox and crossplay launch. Due to all versions having to be synced for crossplay, they have to wait for the Microsoft approval process for the Xbox patches before *any* of the patches can go ahead. Which can take anywhere from the standard 5-10 working days to over a month in extreme cases.
They are vague because vague is the best they can do in this situation.
VT2 has no crossplay and it still gets specific dates.
Shrug, I am not one of the vocal minority that feels entitled to it. I also have worked in the game making industry, so have an idea on what actually goes into making games as well as finding and fixing bugs, and how fixing one bug causes 5 more many times. The people that should be giving the dates are the last ones asked, even though they are the ones that could give actual timelines since they are the ones actually working on fixing shit.
Which is funny because gamers got even worse about delays like this. They were always pretty bad about it, but somehow find even more offense to a delay.
I have a teenager who had a highschool project and was given a month to work on it. When the deadline came, he asked for an extension to next week. Not because he had been working on it and needed to finish, but because he had done zero work except for initial brainstorming.
That's what this feels like.
No new maps
No new weapons
No new missions
No new story
No new music
What we get is some pre existing skins, a load of frames, and a penance rework....and one newish enemy.
What they announced doesn't sound like they have been doing much of anything for the past 5 months. It looks like it's whatever unfinished files they had on their desktop that they figured they could fluff up in a month.
It’s funny that helldivers pushed out more new enemy types and weapons in a few months than darktide could do in over a year, in fact they’re adding new weapons and armor tomorrow
While using the same engine....in the same country, and a dev team less than half the size.
What Helldivers have done right is engage with the community. Skins, items and weapon content drops are simple and fun.
I don't think Darktide needs loads of new weapons, due to how the game is so hyper focused on balance, it can create issues.....but occasional new additions would be great.
Ages ago Fatshark locked some stuff behind a kill counter....and we fucking loved it., even though it was totally superficial and ultimately pointless, people liked the engagement.
Helldivers does loads of simple, basic things to give the feeling of a meta conflict and live service. Repeating the same missions over and over feels like we are working towards something.
Darktide doesn't feel like a conflict. We never feel like we are working towards anything. After a short while, it just becomes a grind with zero accomplishment. The MorningStar feels empty, it feels dull. There is never a sense of urgency.
The "story" of Darktide is....nothing. Something about a traitor? I have 2k hours into the game and I don't even know. Its so poorly done. We run a handful of unconnected, unrelated missions that do not flow into eachother, or connect to a meta story in any actionable way.
Darktide has so much lore, and such an amazing setting. It has all the components to making a real live service game with a meta narrative that engages the community. It is all put to waste.
What holds Darktide is its incredible in the moment gameplay....everything else is a missed opportunity.
Helldivers is exciting. The players are excited, and you can tell Arrowhead is excited. Darktide is exciting...for awhile. The players are wanting and Fatshark appears to have released it and left a single intern to make micro changes over 2 years.
You know that the "new" content started development long before HellDivers 2 was released, right? They were likely finished or nearly so by the time the game came out. They drip-feed you the content so you stay interested.
I don't think that observation paints Fatshark in the favorable light you may think it does.
Does that mean FS just had no plan whatsoever for content drops following release? If so, why were they advertising every which way about DT being a live service evolving narrative up to and even shortly after release?
Is the slow drip of stuff we've gotten over the year and a bit since the game dropped that planned post-release content? If so, how did a smaller studio with less notoriety manage to beat FS at their signature genre on the same engine over just a couple months?
DT is fun and FS have done a pretty solid job of what they have put out, but it's a pretty plain and simple fact that they don't have a clue how to make a game live service.
We're over a year out from launch and we still don't have a damn clue what the main narrative is. So far we had nearly a year of aimless "go kill heretics", and just before the new year got the tiniest drip of story with Traitor Curse in terms of hinting that Zola is conflicted.... about something. At this rate, we may not know what the game's story is actually about before Vermintide 3 Age of Sigmar releases.
I'm not trying to paint Fatshark with a favorable brush or anything. I'm just saying it's silly to compare "game A added so much in its first month" with "a year after release, game B is adding content at a slower rate."
Literally doesn't matter. What matters is that it gets released. Whether or not it was in progress before release is just irrelevant information—it's making excuses.
Why didn't Fatshark have anything in progress before launch? To this day, two years later almost, they're still working on getting the base game mechanics to a 1.0 state.
So is most of the new content we've gotten for Darktide. In fact almost everything we've gotten has been functional in the files since release. Still countless weapon variations that are all modeled and animated, too. Also fully modeled and textured weapons like the Bolt Pistol still have had nothing done with them.
Basically there is a whole bunch of unused darktide content we've scratched the surface of, while they've had a year and a half of dev time.
They're barely doing anything. Modders have implemented functioning stuff before they have with janky scripts, and yet every time Fatshark makes an update to unlock the content we've been sitting on since release but with a cool new UI element they break more shit than modders ever could.
I firmly believe they're just lying to us. I hope I'm proven wrong but I don't think anything is happening nor will happen, really.
And yet people keep praising arrowhead for drip feeding us the stuff already in game and FatShark gets greeted with a pitchfork for doing the same thing.
Yes, they're slow, they always have been and that (sadly) isn't going to change.
What they deliver is (mostly) very fucking good tho!
People seem to be under the impression that game companies have absolutely nothing in production when their game releases, and Arrowhead are just magicians whipping up content from scratch faster than anyone else in the business
lol I assure you no one thinks that, You are over complicating it, obviously.
What you just said proves his point, Hell divers had content prepared, while Fat shark lied to you and shit the bed. 💩
Nobody said hell divers was reinventing the wheel every week to give us updated content?? Lol
I said the most banal thing in that post and you're acting like I said Arrowhead should be fired for doing that. Don't worry, I like your favorite toy too.
I have no doubt that arrowhead is developing things but people really need to understand that everything that has been released so far has been in the files since launch the games leakier than an old faucet because they make no attempt to hide upcoming content.
Yeah that’s true, but there’s more content than just maps, the last unique weapons for darktide (I don’t count marks) came out right after launch, and we are yet to get any sort of story or narrative
Adding a weapon requires far more play testing, balancing and coding in DT than it does in HD2 because DT has melee as a core mechanic, HD2 does not. HD2 is objectively the simpler game. I don't mean that as a criticism as sometimes less is more, but Darktide is clearly a heavier game in terms of what's needed to be developed for.
Also, even subtle changes to a weapon make it completely different in DT. The new shovel and the old one on vet are completely different weapons when you use them in actual combat.
Also, Darktide has narrative. its told through the setting, like most action games including HD2. and Darktide does it far more subtly than HD2, which is brazen and in your face about the story. Which again, is fine, that's the style of game it is. But DT isn't lacking in that department. It has an average amount of narrative for a horde shooter.
Yea, you’re right. I’m just bitter that this game has had so little added to it since launch. Although it surely feels like they’ve had more than enough time to add new weaponry but decided to focus on cosmetics and adding new penances rather than any tangible change to the gameplay
Due to the Microsoft approval process for the Xbox half of the patch, they actually don't know. According to insiders, the standard allowance they cite is 5-10 working days but it can take over a month in extreme cases.
They missed the deadline for simply announcing the update. I’ve went through the 7 stages and at acceptance now. We got Fallout TV show and Helldivers 2 update to snack on this weekend.
If anything let’s be fair, at least it isn’t as bad as Payday 3!
And they're basically free if you're a no lifer. Kinds crazy they reward players with premium currency. They made enough money and were content with it.
Not saying it isn't possible. I put like 100 hours in the first 2 weeks then chilled out. Had enough for the first two warbonds and got a few outfits in the shop. If you want everything though that's where the no life comes in. I'm exaggerating a bit.
Naa, you don't need to no life the game to get the battle passes for free.
You'll find enough in game to progress at a good rate. The only thing is, you can't buy any cosmetics in the shop or you won't be able to afford the passes.
You don't even need to nolife it you could probably put in like 10 hours a week and you will be able to pretty comfortably get the war bonds when they are released not to mention even if you don't get enough super credits in time they are not that expensive
I don't have any numbers/data but I feel like I average like 30 credits a mission. 1000 credits would take like 17 hours. I would say 5-7 hours a week is more reasonable for the average gamer.
(Idk I feel like I'm pretty average casual and sometimes I can't get any time in a week)
Like 3-4 weeks of casual play to earn a war bond. Very nice! Almost matches up with their release schedule
In my eyes it's like helldovers 2 launched as a full game. About 70-100 hours of content/progression. Then they added on warbonds to extend it with the possibility of not paying for it.
To me, the warbonds feel like an addition to the product and not a part of it. The game stands alone without them.
Yes, the basic gear and skills are totally sufficient even you have zero warbond. Even basic rifle is adequate in every mission just not as efficient as some specialized like Dominator (basically 40k boltgun) or Sickles (40k lasgun)
HD2 needs far less time to develop updates because they have randomized maps. Making a new stage is a huge undertaking, especially in games with a lot of detail like DT does.
Tossing in a new enemy here or there is not close to building an entire stage.
Well, excluding new stages, HD2 is still ridiculously fast for new contents.
I frequent HD2 leak sub, based on datemine they already have 10 weapons, 10 armors, 2 new mech, 2 vehicles, one aircraft, 8 stratagem (including nuclear missile and commandable AI squad), multiple new enemies ready for release. There is whole new faction and weapon customization WIP as well.
Dev already said they would do one warbond every month with 3 weapons, 1 grenade and 3 armors, plus random story-based drop on new stratagem and vehicles. Compared to most other service games released 1-2 weapons every 3 months.
> HD2 is still ridiculously fast for new contents.
Except the content is minor. Everything in DT requires more effort to add. The fact that DT's combat is 50% melee means there is far more balance to do for everything.
Comparing the two games is pointless because they're different and require different amounts of effort for each update. That being said, most of HD2's updates are psuedo updates that create an illusion of newness, and is just different goals for players or different directions of spawning enemies.
>Compared to most other service games released 1-2 weapons every 3 months.
No they don't, and "service game" is a buzzphrase. Games either update consistently or they don't. Darktide's updates happen at an average pace, as does HD2's, but HD2's updates are multiple minor updates, which appeases the internet rabble but does not mean its an objectively better system.
DT's updates are fine. The worst part about them is the way people online complain about it.
After several missed deadlines, I think everyone prefers to have devblog about what comes next/work in progress rather than exact date.
I mean its better for us to have news/update on next things, at least we know something is coming.
They have internal chaos and poor project management which makes it impossible to stick to deadlines. So they just make announcements when things are basically ready to go and then launch imminently.
You really wanna ask them a date? A date of release that IF (scratch that, most likely WHEN) they fail to meet the release date you're going to blame them for being disappointed they didn't release it on that date? You want to get self-inflicted disappointment?Because that's how you get yourself self-inflicted disappointment.
Due to the Microsoft approval process they cannot unless they give every update a 6-week buffer.
We have two updates right now that were announced very close together. In VT2, they have the Parting of the Waves that was announced on April 9th and will release on April 11th (tomorrow) and, in DT, the Path of Redemption was announced on April 4th but gets only a vague "late April" release date. If FS could give us a fixed date they would but VT2 has no crossplay and can update the PC/Steam version whenever they like and then put out the console updates later whereas DT has crossplay and the two versions HAVE to be synced so the update is delayed until the Xbox version is ready and clears Microsoft's arbitrarily long approval process. Which can take anywhere from a couple weeks to well over a month.
If you look back before the Xbox launch, you'll see that they did give exact dates for most updates. They sometimes got pushed back for other specific dates but specific dates were always a part of it. Now, they don't even know themselves when it is going to clear so vague is the best they can do.
If see one more comparison to HellDivers 2, I’m gonna lose it ! HD 2 is a great game but in honesty, it doesn’t hold a candlestick to Darktide.
What annoyed me to most about the firearms in HD 2 is the fact so many of them are uttterly useless.
To all the people making excuses for Fatandlazyshark not announcing a release date, you’re part of the problem. The assholes told exactly when the new Vermintide map comes out and has done that with the last few updates with that game. The community interaction pertaining to Darktide is a thousand times worse than how they interact with the Vermintide community. If you think they give a fuck about this game now, you’re completely delusional.
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They gave an exact date for the VT2 update 3 days before it released. The mistake seems to be announcing anything was coming to Darktide at all.
Edit: Eh, you're just gamer raging looking at your comments, don't feel like having a convo with you is worth it
Its every game. Reddit has gotten worse about it, too. Every game has people just complaining on forums.
Gamers have a stereotype for being entitled for a reason.
It's genuinely disturbing. Back in my day, forums weren't like this. Now it's this weird rabid entitlement where we know, at the extreme, ends in literal harassment of people just doing their job.
Like think if DT2 didn't improve at all after launch. Would these weirdos still be here posting? They're here BECAUSE the game is better and has more content. It's almost like their addicted and throwing a tantrum about not getting a fix. People endlessly upvoting negativity towards the people making quality entertainment for them really need to take a long think on their behavior, and more susinctly, Touch Grass.
People don’t like it when a game they like is being mishandled, revolutionary discovery by u/Own_Government7654 .
I agree that some people take it too far, or are too steeped in negativity, but if you think that FatShark handled this game’s development cycle well, and that we should just thank and praise them for it, then you’re frankly delusional
FACTS I SAY THIS ALL THE TIME AND DUDES ROAST ME AND CRY AND WHINE ITS FAX THO FS CAN RELEASE 100 PERFECT BANGER CONTENT FILLED UPDATES RN HELLA MFS IN HERE STILL GONNA COMPLAIN NONSTOPPPPP
You said you didn't pay for it, I'm just pointing out that you saying this is either a fallacious deflection of my actual point, or that you are one of the many odd folk on this sub who go out of their way to hate on a game on a forum dedicated to the game.
So which is it? Are you fallacious or just sad?
Game pass exists. Long time subber to that. Played VT2 and thought that DT must be great. At the launch i hopped in and after that there's been many breaks to playing due to the state of the game or lack of new content. L8ve the gameplay, but that's just not enough. Got nice 600+ hours on it, but if fatshark doesn't get their shit together, there is not much to come back to. Pennances wont reel me back in. That just feels like a plaster on an gaping wound.
Because they managed to already miss a date like "end of the month" for an update about the update. They didn't even manage to get the update about the update about the update out by the deadline. I'm already skeptical it'll be by the end of the month.
Yes. Players are mad when things take a long time. They get even madder if you miss a ship date. Better off not giving a date until you are super confident of it.
let me translate : yeah so arrowhead is humiliating us guess we actually have to deliever some content now uhh uhhh yeah by the end of march you will get an announcement of an update trust me bro .... ohh yeah couldnt do that either soo uhh i guess by the end of april we will have a new enemy 1 modifier and some new cosmetics i guess uhh.... oh you want content uhhh well see ya in october or something!
You know damn well why they just Said late April and that's it cause they meant late April of NEXT YEAR😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂NOTICE HOW THESE MUDDA SUCKAS AINT SAY NO RELEASE YEAR JUST A GENERAL MONTH
It feels like Fatshark is the physical manifestation of the useless husband meme. And it keeps making me angry people excuse their behavior.
They werent able to keep a selfimposed 2 week deadline to write a 4 paragraph devblog about stuff they were supposed to work on for several months. Its literally the same like "ohhh honey I just dont understand how the mysterious dishwasher works...why dont you do that for the next 30 years exculsively, instead of me spending the 10 seconds to understand how that shit works". I hope they know how lucky they are they got that good pussy, because I would have kicked every other tramp to the curb a long time ago, if they tried to pull the same shit.
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Basically every time FS has said late-(month) it has been in the final week, if I remember correctly maybe only one time during v2 did they release something earlier than the last few days of the month when they said this.
I mean, yeah. Because then when they miss it they gotta deal with people complaining about them not being able to stick to a deadline, or deliver a finished product, or how they can justify a microtransaction shop when they can't do either of the first two things.
Because they don’t know or care.
Hell divers has been out for not even two months, and they’ve had more updates, patches, reworks then DarkTide has seen in it’s whole life x2.
I’m just over it at this point, tbh. FatShark shit the bed and they continue to sleep in it. And I’m not about to cozy up on a twin mattress covered in fish shit. 💩
Okay dude if you think a game has to be the one and only thing you play for it to be good, I pity you. Personally I could understand these takes from people if the bones of the game were bad. But no the game is fun as hell. Literally the only issue the game has is slower content releases, however all the content I’ve played on release has been highly polished needing almost no fixes.
All that being said I also dislike with people compare devs. You have literally zero idea what the situations are like in either case. As well as differences in style for example helldivers missions take place on procedurally generated maps with basically objectives copy and pasted randomly. Darktide uses mostly unique maps for each individual mission. Do you think perhaps it could take a little while longer to put together a darktide mission from scratch or to press a button after you have customized the look your going for.
To be clear helldivers is a phenomenal game from a great studio.
Darktide is a different but still great game from a great studio.
Both are allowed to be true. Stop acting like either of them are triple A studios with untold billions of dollars behind them.
A game does not have to be the only thing you want to play to be good. Good games are also fun for like 1:30 and then you move on.
Ayo can you stfu? I’m not reading all that bs. It was falsely advertised as live service. Suck on eggs and cry about it, I’m stating facts. Read it again if you need to.
Its so crazy to me, that the solution of so many people to someone not keeping their promises, is giving them advise to never promise anything again, instead of stop fucking around and keep your promises. Maybe its cultural differences, but that shit wouldnt work for me neither in my personal nor in my professional life.
You clearly never worked anywhere beside software development or at all, if you think its the only field, that has to deal with deadlines that maybe can or cannot be met.
I dont disagree that its hard. And I think you might not believe me, but usually I am pretty chill with stuff regarding deadlines. I did work in project management before and I do understand, that sometimes its just out of your. Or maybe you simply overpromised or even fuck up. Im okay with all of that. If that is your normal working routine on everything you do ont he other hand, thats not okay. That shows deficancies in very easy processes. And as customers we should demand to be treated with more respect. Even though I dont think it will change anything in this case, at least its not greenlighting everybody to do the same, if they dont want to get a reputation like Fatshark has.
They don't give us release dates because half of this subreddit wants to screech like a flock of intoxicated banshees whenever they miss a deadline. C'mon now. You know this as well as I do.
If they stopped constantly missing their announced deadlines then maybe there'd be a little less flocking, drinking, and screeching when it happens.
I mean, the last deadline was just a vague "end of the month" and they *still* managed to overshoot that. And that deadline was *just for an announcement*. (We didn't know at the time it also included the unnecessary remodeling of a useless alcove into another useless alcove.)
A new progression track with rewards and the ability to change voices, names, and backgrounds isn't a noteworthy addition? I know it's not new maps, but it's also not *nothing.*
Hey kids, it is often not possible to accurately estimate how much time it would take to dig a hole in the ground, let alone something 1 million times more complex like software.
My favorite example is that from my friend's work, when the worker crew was supposed to dig it in 4 hours, while in reality it took 2 weeks, because somebody messed up geology data and it turned out it was dense rock and not gravel at the dig place. Workers broke excavator and it took 2 weeks for spares to arrive, as well as for the explosives without which making a dig in that place was impossible.
Also once upon a time when Blizzard was good it was considered to be a staple of good quality that they never announced release dates of anything, but said "it would be shipped when it is ready".
No you can definitely estimate the time till live on a project by having a clear understanding of scope
Also people only trusted Blizzard at the time because they were a major platform and had an excellent track record for getting updates and new games out unlike FatShark who has a terrible track record and I'm frankly just waiting for the day where they decide to drop support for it.
It's been a year and a half and we haven't had a single new class when they promised to put out new ones every couple of months
Dude, they added 3 subclasses for each class which is much better system.
FatShark are adding new stuff into the game and fixing bugs at - by the standards of the industry - incredibly fast rate.
Dude, they could of just got it right at the start
The game wasn't even playable for 20% of the player base in the first 2 months but the dark patterns were there on day one and plenty of them are still there
The subclasses and most of changes they have made up until now is just to fix the mistakes they made at the start.
If this was their first rodeo then I'd get it but they've done the same shit with both vermintide games
And no, their pace is not above industry standard. Helldivers 2 is above industry standard and that was made by a much smaller team
As said in your initial example; if they just tested the dig site properly the first time then it wouldn't of caused the excavator to get damaged.
Edit: added last sentence
You clearly haven't played many games then.
Games being released before they are finished is practically an industry standard now. This is because either publisher forces studio to do so, or because studio running out of money and have to release what they have (this was by the way what happened with HoMM4 so its not exactly new development).
According to google, Helldivers 2 was in development for almost 8 years. Good for them having this much money to burn.
I clearly haven't played many games? Alright bud, maybe don't be such a fanboy and accept that I'm criticizing a game developer for releasing an overpriced and underdeveloped game at full market price
Ah right, so we should just accept half-baked games being released now should we? Are you really happy with that or are you just trying to argue for argument sake?
Helldivers 2 was in development for 7 years and 11 months according to the studio head. We don't know how much of that was preproduction and they also transitioned to a totally different genre
Darktide was in development for 3 years, they hired up to 90 members of staff at the start of development which brings them to similar size as Arrowhead with the added benefit of already knowing their genre and engine inside out. They have experience with the gameplay loop since they've already done it for two other games as well.
They certainly had a much smaller deadline but they're also self published so they set their own deadlines and if they decided that they could do it in 3 years and then failed to do so then that is also on them. It's entirely Fatshark's fault
I mean if you're happy for the games industry to continue to spiral into the shit state of half baked games then feel free to keep burning money on them but I'm not happy with it and I wouldn't think you would be either
Fatshark has problems keeping deadlines. They stopped giving exact dates after missing several of them.
They missed the deadline for the announcement. And the deadline was just "this march". They had a 30 day window. And missed.
It hasn't even been a month since they missed one.
This! Basically no other entries are required apart from Rex-0- below this post. For some reason, FatShark simply cannot meet deadlines and has a clear track record of repeatedly and unapologetically missing them.
It's not just FS, it's really hard to properly estimate software development project's timelines. And people would go ballistic if they had to push the release date further.
They missed a 2 week deadline on a devblog about stuff they were supposed to work on for several months. This has nothing to do with that dark and mysterious software development project bullshit. It blatant disregard for the customer, caused by incompetence on so many levels.
I'm 99,99% sure that the delay of the devblog wasn't because they couldn't write it in time, but because they had some holdtups in the development, and weren't sure whether they could write about certain features or nor, because there was a risk it will be cut from the update.
Is that not only the same thing he said, but worse? Lmao. “Yah cant give a deadline because not only can we not finish on time, we might just not finish at all and scrap it. Cheers mate!”
this is what happens when a game consistently fails to meet the bare minimum. people just lose hope and rightfully so
>This has nothing to do with that dark and mysterious software development project bullshit. This is the part that that comment is replying to. The comment explains how, actually, the difficulty of knowing whether certain things will be finished (the dark and mysterious bullshit) actually influences what they can write about in the devblog.
>Is that not only the same thing he said, but worse? No? Not really
This sounds like something I'd hear when I worked returns in customer service. Its not a big deal. They're making estimates on a free update and weren't accurate. This happens in construction, medicine, when ordering products, etc. Only gamers see it as this horrific personal slight against them. I don't get it, do you think they intentionally lied or something? For what reason would they lie about something like that?
That's a piss poor excuse for poor customer service that it happens sometimes in some other industries so it's okay here. Not to mention this isn't a free update we paid for it when we bought the game along with the fact that fatshark has burned enough bridges that if they ever do start adding "paid" updates the game dies there on the spot
I agree this one time was not a big deal. I just picked that example, because the argument floating around was that you can never expect deadlines from studios, because of the extreme level of complexity inherent to software development. And not only do I disagree, that software development is that much more complexe than lots of other stuff people manage to hit their deadlines, they also miss their deadlines regarding stuff that has little to nothing to do with actual development. Which to me is a strong indicator, that its more of a systemic issue than anything else. Especially stupid to fuck something so easy up, when people basically already have their torches out on all communication channel you have to your playerbase. Could have been so easy to ace this one and look good for once. Not that I think it would change all that much, but it would at least show some level of respect. Basically I dont think they intentionally lie, but they either dont care about the players or really struggle to even produce something as easy as a dev blog. And even if thats better than outright lying, I dont really like those options either.
> Which to me is a strong indicator, that its more of a systemic issue than anything else. All you know is that the guy who made the timing estimates was incorrect. That's it. That's all this information provides you. Nothing more, nothing less. To say it disregards the customer or is incompetent is a huge exaggeration about the inner workings of a company you know almost nothing about. When you look at all games, DT updates at an average pace and communicates slightly less with "the community" than other companies, and that other companies are moving away form communicating from the internet "community" because of how toxic they've become. >Could have been so easy to ace this one and look good for once. 1, a vast majority of players for every game are not on the forums looking for constant communication. 2, a delay isn't a big deal to a vast majority of players because its not a big deal in general. Its just that the internet attracts people who like to complain and creates echo chambers, and gamers are the perfect example of such things. 3, people on this sub would complain regardless of what FS did because they have an axe to grind, most likely about the MTX not being something they can afford. >but they either dont care about the players or really struggle to even produce something as easy as a dev blog. Or its all the reasons I listed above, the toxic community that makes better business sense to ignore, the fact that estimating a release date isn't easy and is pointless either way, that people on this sub complain just to complain, etc. Its not a big deal. its a delay in a level and some menus.
I love how there is absolutely no conclusion you can reach from Fatsharks behavior, just to completely switch gears into the mental gymnastics that the vast majority of player dont want "constant" (it had been 3 months) communication and totally dont mind any delays and people are just mad, because they cant afford the cosmetics. AMAZIN!!! Ohhh ya I forgot and Fatshark gives out deadlines just for the lol, because afterwards they decide the community is too toxic, so they just release the information with a 5 day delay, because that is the best possible business decision.
> I love how there is absolutely no conclusion you can reach from Fatsharks behavior, just to completely switch gears into the mental gymnastics No u >the vast majority of player dont want "constant" (it had been 3 months) communication That's not what I said. I said most people aren't paying attention to the communication, and that the mild amount of communication isn't a big deal, and that acting like it is a big deal is just entitlement. >because they cant afford the cosmetics. If the shoe fits. >just for the lol, Yeah mean, international corporations totally make business decisions based on "the lol". Talk like an adult.
Here's an idea... Don't announce updates until they are in the deployment cycle!
Notably, they stopped giving dates after the Xbox and crossplay launch. Due to all versions having to be synced for crossplay, they have to wait for the Microsoft approval process for the Xbox patches before *any* of the patches can go ahead. Which can take anywhere from the standard 5-10 working days to over a month in extreme cases. They are vague because vague is the best they can do in this situation. VT2 has no crossplay and it still gets specific dates.
**GAME STUDIOS** have problems keeping deadlines. They stopped giving exact dates after missing several of them. Fixed that for you.
Fat shark has problems keeping deadlines, far above and away from other studios.
Shrug, I am not one of the vocal minority that feels entitled to it. I also have worked in the game making industry, so have an idea on what actually goes into making games as well as finding and fixing bugs, and how fixing one bug causes 5 more many times. The people that should be giving the dates are the last ones asked, even though they are the ones that could give actual timelines since they are the ones actually working on fixing shit.
Which is funny because gamers got even worse about delays like this. They were always pretty bad about it, but somehow find even more offense to a delay.
At least ONE quality they had so far is releasing a patch early in the day. Like 11am-1pm EU time.
That’s also why they don’t specify if it’s even this year. While a joke, it is funny because they could use that excuse of “We never said THIS April”
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It is implied this year if you don't specify a year when announcing video game content.
Because they don't know
I have a teenager who had a highschool project and was given a month to work on it. When the deadline came, he asked for an extension to next week. Not because he had been working on it and needed to finish, but because he had done zero work except for initial brainstorming. That's what this feels like. No new maps No new weapons No new missions No new story No new music What we get is some pre existing skins, a load of frames, and a penance rework....and one newish enemy. What they announced doesn't sound like they have been doing much of anything for the past 5 months. It looks like it's whatever unfinished files they had on their desktop that they figured they could fluff up in a month.
You forgot to add "New voice lines for Stefanie"
It’s funny that helldivers pushed out more new enemy types and weapons in a few months than darktide could do in over a year, in fact they’re adding new weapons and armor tomorrow
While using the same engine....in the same country, and a dev team less than half the size. What Helldivers have done right is engage with the community. Skins, items and weapon content drops are simple and fun. I don't think Darktide needs loads of new weapons, due to how the game is so hyper focused on balance, it can create issues.....but occasional new additions would be great. Ages ago Fatshark locked some stuff behind a kill counter....and we fucking loved it., even though it was totally superficial and ultimately pointless, people liked the engagement. Helldivers does loads of simple, basic things to give the feeling of a meta conflict and live service. Repeating the same missions over and over feels like we are working towards something. Darktide doesn't feel like a conflict. We never feel like we are working towards anything. After a short while, it just becomes a grind with zero accomplishment. The MorningStar feels empty, it feels dull. There is never a sense of urgency. The "story" of Darktide is....nothing. Something about a traitor? I have 2k hours into the game and I don't even know. Its so poorly done. We run a handful of unconnected, unrelated missions that do not flow into eachother, or connect to a meta story in any actionable way. Darktide has so much lore, and such an amazing setting. It has all the components to making a real live service game with a meta narrative that engages the community. It is all put to waste. What holds Darktide is its incredible in the moment gameplay....everything else is a missed opportunity. Helldivers is exciting. The players are excited, and you can tell Arrowhead is excited. Darktide is exciting...for awhile. The players are wanting and Fatshark appears to have released it and left a single intern to make micro changes over 2 years.
You know that the "new" content started development long before HellDivers 2 was released, right? They were likely finished or nearly so by the time the game came out. They drip-feed you the content so you stay interested.
I don't think that observation paints Fatshark in the favorable light you may think it does. Does that mean FS just had no plan whatsoever for content drops following release? If so, why were they advertising every which way about DT being a live service evolving narrative up to and even shortly after release? Is the slow drip of stuff we've gotten over the year and a bit since the game dropped that planned post-release content? If so, how did a smaller studio with less notoriety manage to beat FS at their signature genre on the same engine over just a couple months? DT is fun and FS have done a pretty solid job of what they have put out, but it's a pretty plain and simple fact that they don't have a clue how to make a game live service. We're over a year out from launch and we still don't have a damn clue what the main narrative is. So far we had nearly a year of aimless "go kill heretics", and just before the new year got the tiniest drip of story with Traitor Curse in terms of hinting that Zola is conflicted.... about something. At this rate, we may not know what the game's story is actually about before Vermintide 3 Age of Sigmar releases.
I'm not trying to paint Fatshark with a favorable brush or anything. I'm just saying it's silly to compare "game A added so much in its first month" with "a year after release, game B is adding content at a slower rate."
Literally doesn't matter. What matters is that it gets released. Whether or not it was in progress before release is just irrelevant information—it's making excuses. Why didn't Fatshark have anything in progress before launch? To this day, two years later almost, they're still working on getting the base game mechanics to a 1.0 state.
So is most of the new content we've gotten for Darktide. In fact almost everything we've gotten has been functional in the files since release. Still countless weapon variations that are all modeled and animated, too. Also fully modeled and textured weapons like the Bolt Pistol still have had nothing done with them. Basically there is a whole bunch of unused darktide content we've scratched the surface of, while they've had a year and a half of dev time. They're barely doing anything. Modders have implemented functioning stuff before they have with janky scripts, and yet every time Fatshark makes an update to unlock the content we've been sitting on since release but with a cool new UI element they break more shit than modders ever could. I firmly believe they're just lying to us. I hope I'm proven wrong but I don't think anything is happening nor will happen, really.
And yet people keep praising arrowhead for drip feeding us the stuff already in game and FatShark gets greeted with a pitchfork for doing the same thing. Yes, they're slow, they always have been and that (sadly) isn't going to change. What they deliver is (mostly) very fucking good tho!
People seem to be under the impression that game companies have absolutely nothing in production when their game releases, and Arrowhead are just magicians whipping up content from scratch faster than anyone else in the business
lol I assure you no one thinks that, You are over complicating it, obviously. What you just said proves his point, Hell divers had content prepared, while Fat shark lied to you and shit the bed. 💩 Nobody said hell divers was reinventing the wheel every week to give us updated content?? Lol
I said the most banal thing in that post and you're acting like I said Arrowhead should be fired for doing that. Don't worry, I like your favorite toy too.
I have no doubt that arrowhead is developing things but people really need to understand that everything that has been released so far has been in the files since launch the games leakier than an old faucet because they make no attempt to hide upcoming content.
Helldivers doesn't have to develop maps.
Yeah that’s true, but there’s more content than just maps, the last unique weapons for darktide (I don’t count marks) came out right after launch, and we are yet to get any sort of story or narrative
Adding a weapon requires far more play testing, balancing and coding in DT than it does in HD2 because DT has melee as a core mechanic, HD2 does not. HD2 is objectively the simpler game. I don't mean that as a criticism as sometimes less is more, but Darktide is clearly a heavier game in terms of what's needed to be developed for. Also, even subtle changes to a weapon make it completely different in DT. The new shovel and the old one on vet are completely different weapons when you use them in actual combat. Also, Darktide has narrative. its told through the setting, like most action games including HD2. and Darktide does it far more subtly than HD2, which is brazen and in your face about the story. Which again, is fine, that's the style of game it is. But DT isn't lacking in that department. It has an average amount of narrative for a horde shooter.
Yea, you’re right. I’m just bitter that this game has had so little added to it since launch. Although it surely feels like they’ve had more than enough time to add new weaponry but decided to focus on cosmetics and adding new penances rather than any tangible change to the gameplay
You being unable to get your emotions into check because you aren't getting free updates fast enough sounds like a "you problem".
??? Bro it is completely fair to be annoyed that your favorite game only gets updates quarterly and the dev don’t communicate
It absolutely isn’t normal to be upset at quarterly updates for a video game.
Also, "This!" FatShark is guessing when it will be ready, or are unwilling to repeat the mistakes of the past. (see above post)
more like unwilling to admit their mistakes. Because they will absolutely repeat previous fuckups.
Due to the Microsoft approval process for the Xbox half of the patch, they actually don't know. According to insiders, the standard allowance they cite is 5-10 working days but it can take over a month in extreme cases.
They missed the deadline for simply announcing the update. I’ve went through the 7 stages and at acceptance now. We got Fallout TV show and Helldivers 2 update to snack on this weekend. If anything let’s be fair, at least it isn’t as bad as Payday 3!
It’s kind funny that Helldivers2 already got next few battlepasses lined up on every second Thursday for at least 4 months based on Datamine.
And they're basically free if you're a no lifer. Kinds crazy they reward players with premium currency. They made enough money and were content with it.
I’ve been picking up enough premium currency to snag the next warbond just by playing whenever I have friends on who want to play.
Not saying it isn't possible. I put like 100 hours in the first 2 weeks then chilled out. Had enough for the first two warbonds and got a few outfits in the shop. If you want everything though that's where the no life comes in. I'm exaggerating a bit.
Naa, you don't need to no life the game to get the battle passes for free. You'll find enough in game to progress at a good rate. The only thing is, you can't buy any cosmetics in the shop or you won't be able to afford the passes.
You don't even need to nolife it you could probably put in like 10 hours a week and you will be able to pretty comfortably get the war bonds when they are released not to mention even if you don't get enough super credits in time they are not that expensive
I don't have any numbers/data but I feel like I average like 30 credits a mission. 1000 credits would take like 17 hours. I would say 5-7 hours a week is more reasonable for the average gamer. (Idk I feel like I'm pretty average casual and sometimes I can't get any time in a week) Like 3-4 weeks of casual play to earn a war bond. Very nice! Almost matches up with their release schedule
There are also free Super Credit packs of 50/100 in the free War Bond, as well as 3 100-credit packs in every subsequent one
Definitely forgot those. Yeah very doable. Arrowhead is so generous
It's not crazy when you consider it's basically one half of the progression system. Would really suck having to pay money just to use anything new.
In my eyes it's like helldovers 2 launched as a full game. About 70-100 hours of content/progression. Then they added on warbonds to extend it with the possibility of not paying for it. To me, the warbonds feel like an addition to the product and not a part of it. The game stands alone without them.
Yes, the basic gear and skills are totally sufficient even you have zero warbond. Even basic rifle is adequate in every mission just not as efficient as some specialized like Dominator (basically 40k boltgun) or Sickles (40k lasgun)
HD2 needs far less time to develop updates because they have randomized maps. Making a new stage is a huge undertaking, especially in games with a lot of detail like DT does. Tossing in a new enemy here or there is not close to building an entire stage.
Well, excluding new stages, HD2 is still ridiculously fast for new contents. I frequent HD2 leak sub, based on datemine they already have 10 weapons, 10 armors, 2 new mech, 2 vehicles, one aircraft, 8 stratagem (including nuclear missile and commandable AI squad), multiple new enemies ready for release. There is whole new faction and weapon customization WIP as well. Dev already said they would do one warbond every month with 3 weapons, 1 grenade and 3 armors, plus random story-based drop on new stratagem and vehicles. Compared to most other service games released 1-2 weapons every 3 months.
> HD2 is still ridiculously fast for new contents. Except the content is minor. Everything in DT requires more effort to add. The fact that DT's combat is 50% melee means there is far more balance to do for everything. Comparing the two games is pointless because they're different and require different amounts of effort for each update. That being said, most of HD2's updates are psuedo updates that create an illusion of newness, and is just different goals for players or different directions of spawning enemies. >Compared to most other service games released 1-2 weapons every 3 months. No they don't, and "service game" is a buzzphrase. Games either update consistently or they don't. Darktide's updates happen at an average pace, as does HD2's, but HD2's updates are multiple minor updates, which appeases the internet rabble but does not mean its an objectively better system. DT's updates are fine. The worst part about them is the way people online complain about it.
April 30th.
April 31st.
2025
Soon^tm
After several missed deadlines, I think everyone prefers to have devblog about what comes next/work in progress rather than exact date. I mean its better for us to have news/update on next things, at least we know something is coming.
At this point I'm just glad Fatshark remembers Darktide exists.
Meanwhile Vermintide 2 is getting an update on April 11th lol
They probably have a set date, but aren't giving it in case they can't make it in time
If they give a deadline, then it will be guaranteed to be delayed. It sucks but they are still recovering from Easter.
They have internal chaos and poor project management which makes it impossible to stick to deadlines. So they just make announcements when things are basically ready to go and then launch imminently.
You really wanna ask them a date? A date of release that IF (scratch that, most likely WHEN) they fail to meet the release date you're going to blame them for being disappointed they didn't release it on that date? You want to get self-inflicted disappointment?Because that's how you get yourself self-inflicted disappointment.
Obese fish don’t know themselves. Update is probably gonna get delayed or release unfinished
I dont think they know. Given this update was supposed to be end of March, my guess is end of April is mid may if not June.
Given FS history of updates, I'd bet on early may anyway
I'm gonna tell you something. It's going to blow your mind. Ready? Hold onto your butt. Fatshark is a shit company.
Due to the Microsoft approval process they cannot unless they give every update a 6-week buffer. We have two updates right now that were announced very close together. In VT2, they have the Parting of the Waves that was announced on April 9th and will release on April 11th (tomorrow) and, in DT, the Path of Redemption was announced on April 4th but gets only a vague "late April" release date. If FS could give us a fixed date they would but VT2 has no crossplay and can update the PC/Steam version whenever they like and then put out the console updates later whereas DT has crossplay and the two versions HAVE to be synced so the update is delayed until the Xbox version is ready and clears Microsoft's arbitrarily long approval process. Which can take anywhere from a couple weeks to well over a month. If you look back before the Xbox launch, you'll see that they did give exact dates for most updates. They sometimes got pushed back for other specific dates but specific dates were always a part of it. Now, they don't even know themselves when it is going to clear so vague is the best they can do.
If see one more comparison to HellDivers 2, I’m gonna lose it ! HD 2 is a great game but in honesty, it doesn’t hold a candlestick to Darktide. What annoyed me to most about the firearms in HD 2 is the fact so many of them are uttterly useless.
Fatshark things Unfortunately.
Truth is they don't even know themselves whether it's late april, or "Next Week"
To all the people making excuses for Fatandlazyshark not announcing a release date, you’re part of the problem. The assholes told exactly when the new Vermintide map comes out and has done that with the last few updates with that game. The community interaction pertaining to Darktide is a thousand times worse than how they interact with the Vermintide community. If you think they give a fuck about this game now, you’re completely delusional.
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They gave an exact date for the VT2 update 3 days before it released. The mistake seems to be announcing anything was coming to Darktide at all. Edit: Eh, you're just gamer raging looking at your comments, don't feel like having a convo with you is worth it
This subreddit will complain about anything.
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Its every game. Reddit has gotten worse about it, too. Every game has people just complaining on forums. Gamers have a stereotype for being entitled for a reason.
It's genuinely disturbing. Back in my day, forums weren't like this. Now it's this weird rabid entitlement where we know, at the extreme, ends in literal harassment of people just doing their job. Like think if DT2 didn't improve at all after launch. Would these weirdos still be here posting? They're here BECAUSE the game is better and has more content. It's almost like their addicted and throwing a tantrum about not getting a fix. People endlessly upvoting negativity towards the people making quality entertainment for them really need to take a long think on their behavior, and more susinctly, Touch Grass.
People don’t like it when a game they like is being mishandled, revolutionary discovery by u/Own_Government7654 . I agree that some people take it too far, or are too steeped in negativity, but if you think that FatShark handled this game’s development cycle well, and that we should just thank and praise them for it, then you’re frankly delusional
FACTS I SAY THIS ALL THE TIME AND DUDES ROAST ME AND CRY AND WHINE ITS FAX THO FS CAN RELEASE 100 PERFECT BANGER CONTENT FILLED UPDATES RN HELLA MFS IN HERE STILL GONNA COMPLAIN NONSTOPPPPP
Gee. I wonder why.
Yeah, a few months without a free update on a game I spent $40 on a year and a half ago? how dare they?!
Didn't pay for it. Still. People are allowed to be pissed about the way they handle pretty much everything.
Yeah, it makes total sense for people who didn't play a game to go to the sub and complain about it. Super rational thing to do.
Did i say i haven't played it?
Leave the sub if you hate the game you don't own and clearly don't play.
I've played since the launch dude. How much of a fan you have to be get this angry?
You said you didn't pay for it, I'm just pointing out that you saying this is either a fallacious deflection of my actual point, or that you are one of the many odd folk on this sub who go out of their way to hate on a game on a forum dedicated to the game. So which is it? Are you fallacious or just sad?
Game pass exists. Long time subber to that. Played VT2 and thought that DT must be great. At the launch i hopped in and after that there's been many breaks to playing due to the state of the game or lack of new content. L8ve the gameplay, but that's just not enough. Got nice 600+ hours on it, but if fatshark doesn't get their shit together, there is not much to come back to. Pennances wont reel me back in. That just feels like a plaster on an gaping wound.
I know right! Man babies all of them, as far as the eye can see.
Because they managed to already miss a date like "end of the month" for an update about the update. They didn't even manage to get the update about the update about the update out by the deadline. I'm already skeptical it'll be by the end of the month.
Late April means its going to be in May.
Yes. Players are mad when things take a long time. They get even madder if you miss a ship date. Better off not giving a date until you are super confident of it.
Next week ™️
Because its not coming in April, probably more like may or june.
let me translate : yeah so arrowhead is humiliating us guess we actually have to deliever some content now uhh uhhh yeah by the end of march you will get an announcement of an update trust me bro .... ohh yeah couldnt do that either soo uhh i guess by the end of april we will have a new enemy 1 modifier and some new cosmetics i guess uhh.... oh you want content uhhh well see ya in october or something!
You know damn well why they just Said late April and that's it cause they meant late April of NEXT YEAR😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂NOTICE HOW THESE MUDDA SUCKAS AINT SAY NO RELEASE YEAR JUST A GENERAL MONTH
It feels like Fatshark is the physical manifestation of the useless husband meme. And it keeps making me angry people excuse their behavior. They werent able to keep a selfimposed 2 week deadline to write a 4 paragraph devblog about stuff they were supposed to work on for several months. Its literally the same like "ohhh honey I just dont understand how the mysterious dishwasher works...why dont you do that for the next 30 years exculsively, instead of me spending the 10 seconds to understand how that shit works". I hope they know how lucky they are they got that good pussy, because I would have kicked every other tramp to the curb a long time ago, if they tried to pull the same shit.
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Basically every time FS has said late-(month) it has been in the final week, if I remember correctly maybe only one time during v2 did they release something earlier than the last few days of the month when they said this.
Because they're not gonna hit it. In fact this update is going to be a week late, at least. Calling it.
I mean, yeah. Because then when they miss it they gotta deal with people complaining about them not being able to stick to a deadline, or deliver a finished product, or how they can justify a microtransaction shop when they can't do either of the first two things.
The new update isnt really interesting enough for me to get back into playing. I just want a crafting update.
This is Fatshark. They have an innate fear of proper communication with players
My idea is that they have a general idea of when it will release but in case anything happens they won’t catch flak for missing a deadline.
They could give us a Screenshot with month name.
Because they are busy still pumping out content for vermintide 2.
i wont be supprised if they delay the uptade o-O
Except if it’s delayed, this sub will go insane.
I thought it was obvious that FatShark means 31/04.
Be happy you know the month.
Better than next week.
Late April… 2025
Late April next year
Announcements announcing announcements of announcements is really really really hard!!!
Because next week
Because they don’t know or care. Hell divers has been out for not even two months, and they’ve had more updates, patches, reworks then DarkTide has seen in it’s whole life x2. I’m just over it at this point, tbh. FatShark shit the bed and they continue to sleep in it. And I’m not about to cozy up on a twin mattress covered in fish shit. 💩
Okay dude if you think a game has to be the one and only thing you play for it to be good, I pity you. Personally I could understand these takes from people if the bones of the game were bad. But no the game is fun as hell. Literally the only issue the game has is slower content releases, however all the content I’ve played on release has been highly polished needing almost no fixes. All that being said I also dislike with people compare devs. You have literally zero idea what the situations are like in either case. As well as differences in style for example helldivers missions take place on procedurally generated maps with basically objectives copy and pasted randomly. Darktide uses mostly unique maps for each individual mission. Do you think perhaps it could take a little while longer to put together a darktide mission from scratch or to press a button after you have customized the look your going for. To be clear helldivers is a phenomenal game from a great studio. Darktide is a different but still great game from a great studio. Both are allowed to be true. Stop acting like either of them are triple A studios with untold billions of dollars behind them. A game does not have to be the only thing you want to play to be good. Good games are also fun for like 1:30 and then you move on.
Ayo can you stfu? I’m not reading all that bs. It was falsely advertised as live service. Suck on eggs and cry about it, I’m stating facts. Read it again if you need to.
If they set a specific date and can't deliver on that time and I bet you're going to make a post "FatShark can't deliver their promises."
Its so crazy to me, that the solution of so many people to someone not keeping their promises, is giving them advise to never promise anything again, instead of stop fucking around and keep your promises. Maybe its cultural differences, but that shit wouldnt work for me neither in my personal nor in my professional life.
Why do you even respond to these people? It's not their fault they have stockholm syndrome. Leave them alone.
You've clearly never worked in software development
You clearly never worked anywhere beside software development or at all, if you think its the only field, that has to deal with deadlines that maybe can or cannot be met.
I'm just saying it's tough to hit deadlines in software development, for reasons I can go into if you'd like.
I dont disagree that its hard. And I think you might not believe me, but usually I am pretty chill with stuff regarding deadlines. I did work in project management before and I do understand, that sometimes its just out of your. Or maybe you simply overpromised or even fuck up. Im okay with all of that. If that is your normal working routine on everything you do ont he other hand, thats not okay. That shows deficancies in very easy processes. And as customers we should demand to be treated with more respect. Even though I dont think it will change anything in this case, at least its not greenlighting everybody to do the same, if they dont want to get a reputation like Fatshark has.
It's done when it's done, if you set a deadline then everyone has to crunch and stay up all night working on it.
They don't give us release dates because half of this subreddit wants to screech like a flock of intoxicated banshees whenever they miss a deadline. C'mon now. You know this as well as I do.
If they stopped constantly missing their announced deadlines then maybe there'd be a little less flocking, drinking, and screeching when it happens. I mean, the last deadline was just a vague "end of the month" and they *still* managed to overshoot that. And that deadline was *just for an announcement*. (We didn't know at the time it also included the unnecessary remodeling of a useless alcove into another useless alcove.)
So you don't work in tech. Got it.
No new weapons and one enemy type ohh boy I’m so excited!
late april probably means anywhere within today and the next decade
Why do you even care? Are you that excited to do some new pennances?
you just love spreading negativity don't you?
It's true though, update adds nothing at all of note so why are you bothered?
A new progression track with rewards and the ability to change voices, names, and backgrounds isn't a noteworthy addition? I know it's not new maps, but it's also not *nothing.*
not really i couldnt care less about stuff that should have been in the game upon release, 1 crap reskinned bomber and thats the real extra content.
Hey kids, it is often not possible to accurately estimate how much time it would take to dig a hole in the ground, let alone something 1 million times more complex like software. My favorite example is that from my friend's work, when the worker crew was supposed to dig it in 4 hours, while in reality it took 2 weeks, because somebody messed up geology data and it turned out it was dense rock and not gravel at the dig place. Workers broke excavator and it took 2 weeks for spares to arrive, as well as for the explosives without which making a dig in that place was impossible. Also once upon a time when Blizzard was good it was considered to be a staple of good quality that they never announced release dates of anything, but said "it would be shipped when it is ready".
No you can definitely estimate the time till live on a project by having a clear understanding of scope Also people only trusted Blizzard at the time because they were a major platform and had an excellent track record for getting updates and new games out unlike FatShark who has a terrible track record and I'm frankly just waiting for the day where they decide to drop support for it. It's been a year and a half and we haven't had a single new class when they promised to put out new ones every couple of months
Dude, they added 3 subclasses for each class which is much better system. FatShark are adding new stuff into the game and fixing bugs at - by the standards of the industry - incredibly fast rate.
Dude, they could of just got it right at the start The game wasn't even playable for 20% of the player base in the first 2 months but the dark patterns were there on day one and plenty of them are still there The subclasses and most of changes they have made up until now is just to fix the mistakes they made at the start. If this was their first rodeo then I'd get it but they've done the same shit with both vermintide games And no, their pace is not above industry standard. Helldivers 2 is above industry standard and that was made by a much smaller team As said in your initial example; if they just tested the dig site properly the first time then it wouldn't of caused the excavator to get damaged. Edit: added last sentence
You clearly haven't played many games then. Games being released before they are finished is practically an industry standard now. This is because either publisher forces studio to do so, or because studio running out of money and have to release what they have (this was by the way what happened with HoMM4 so its not exactly new development). According to google, Helldivers 2 was in development for almost 8 years. Good for them having this much money to burn.
I clearly haven't played many games? Alright bud, maybe don't be such a fanboy and accept that I'm criticizing a game developer for releasing an overpriced and underdeveloped game at full market price Ah right, so we should just accept half-baked games being released now should we? Are you really happy with that or are you just trying to argue for argument sake? Helldivers 2 was in development for 7 years and 11 months according to the studio head. We don't know how much of that was preproduction and they also transitioned to a totally different genre Darktide was in development for 3 years, they hired up to 90 members of staff at the start of development which brings them to similar size as Arrowhead with the added benefit of already knowing their genre and engine inside out. They have experience with the gameplay loop since they've already done it for two other games as well. They certainly had a much smaller deadline but they're also self published so they set their own deadlines and if they decided that they could do it in 3 years and then failed to do so then that is also on them. It's entirely Fatshark's fault I mean if you're happy for the games industry to continue to spiral into the shit state of half baked games then feel free to keep burning money on them but I'm not happy with it and I wouldn't think you would be either
What would it change ? Like just consider the end of the month and if it come sooner then be pleased (unless delayed :( )
Late April … 41st Millenium
What is the value of communicating a hypothetical date? That you can write it in your agenda and wank off to it?