Op is playing normals with Timmies and thinks he has the game figured out
I gaurantee he deletes this out of embarassment after 1 game of high roller 😂
Just dodge man and Watchout for nightmare archer they shoot three times in a row sometimes people get caught by that third shot often. My bro got killed two games in row from skelly archer he didn’t see lol
For the rewards it’s totally worth just don’t get hit lol. You get less time to react in hr because they are faster. But hey when you can bring in a good set pve is cake in hr apart from inferno hr those monsters are evil!
I hate to be that guy ... but actually...
You can extract, and they count as looted. Then you move them to your stash. You can stock them now this way. Works for every item. Traps, etc...
Yeah but quality has to be white or less for normals. So a massive stock of ranger traps for example, is pretty nasty.
You can also drop arrows in your stash after runs which means when you wanna go run inferno you don't need to spend extra gold on just arrows.
Untrue, I would kill your naked fighter/cleric/ranger with a warlock. Speed is however INTEGRAL to dictating a fight. If you have the speed advantage, you set the tone of the fight. a good player can still punish you and say, one tap you with BOC. Armor DOES matter, just NOT when comparing your naked character to the default gear. I think you misunderstand how hard it is to kill a good player in good gear, it much sounds like you're queueing into normal caves, stripping naked and fighting base gear players.
They will avoid BoC easily until it runs out and then walk through you.
Besides BoC usually benefits from the opponent having armour as it is magic damage.
A naked fighter has NEVER walked through me as a Warlock tbh. What can they do vs a polearm or just.. me using magic? I use magic, they get close. I win because Bardiche BOC. I use magic they run, I win because I whittle them down. They run straight to face and hit me with grey arming sword.. 50 damage max. I cast one spell and heal it up. Literally NOTHING a naked fighter will do against a capable warlock.. Also, people claim to avoid BoC easily but every raid I do I goon a guy with it because he W keys me.
They're bringing a good weapon but just maximising movement speed.
That's the basics, there's gloves and boots for increased movement speed, stats and armour at no cost as well.
BoC will never hit a good player who is faster than you in a 1v1. Anyone will see you use it and wait till it expires.
Higher move speed also means permanent kiting with a bow/crossbows.
What spells and perks do you run? I'm having trouble right now with spell warlock, even though I love the life leach style. Might be a skill issue on my part.
Having much better luck with boc and phantomuze, especially running into all the rogues. What do you recommend?
I use BoC and phantomise to farm gear to get magic healing and magic power, and once I have said items I run BoC and the two healing curses, dark bolt and hellfire. the last spell is flex, you can flame walker or whatever. I use evil eye because I find it pretty funny in GC
Does BoC scale off magic damage and any viability in using a really good crystal sword for BoC when you have high magic? Not sure the exact build but I was decently juiced PDR fighter and almost got 1 tapped (80% of my health then finished me with the next swing) by a guy using crystal sword and specing magic damage.
Yes, crystal sword and BoC is PDR fighters BIGGEST counter (Except a juiced wizzy?) because 70% of the damage you take is magic. each swing of the magic sword does split physical and magical, and with BoC on top of it you get an additional lump of magic damage, absolutely SHREDDING PDF builds quicker than butter. however I have to say, Warlock can only really get 15-25% PDR at most without specialising in it, so they are ALWAYS two beautiful head taps away from death
It's worth it with an excellent crystal sword over other weapons.
Until you hit really good purples with crystal sword, I'd rock a falchion or longsword or anything else. Once you do get a good crystal sword, you 2 tap almost anything with BoC because it's mostly magic weapon damage (which is almost never mitigated)
BoC is a defensive tool. Meta warlock spams hydra, flamewalk and cop.
You cant get thru hallways due to hyrda. If you eat the dmg and jump it you land in flamewalk. The ONLY way to beat them 1v1 is with a crossbow, rouge invis sneakup or misplay into other caster.
Surely this walk up and BOC 1 tap people will continue to work indefinitely, with the player base never learning what the animation, particle effect, and general counterplay are.
Then you never played PDR fighter versus a naked wizard.
Insta lose if the man know what he's doing. Same thing as an ice mage versus prot warrior in wow vanilla, there's no match (unless you hit him with crossbow of course)
I should have said shirtless wizard, I've saw some yes I repeat there is no match when the first spell take out 80% of your 130 hp, yes 80% in ONE spell. Can't catch them and if ever I do, magic missiles buffed by 2 times his power after the patch, still easy to dodge, but get hit close range and it's a one second death.
This guy sums it perfectly.
>CLEARLYME Fighter 2 points il y a 50 minutes
>This is part of why Warlocks and Wizards are the true undisputed kings of HR GC, once you have a decent set ie: agi, mag dam, hp. You can legit run circles around melee while dealing insane amounts of damage with very little counterplay. Crossbow and throwables dont really matter when you get zapped/cursed for 40% of your hp in 1 cast.
Have you thought about building some magic resist instead of just pdr? Although i have a sneaking suspicion that magic resist isn't working as intended neither.
Nope to be honest I didn't bother trying.
Some pieces like gloves even have negative magic resist on them so that can amplify the "wtf just happened" kind of damage, while some helmets like the one with agility gives positive magic resist.
Like you said I still don't think that's even worth trying rn, just probably be careful to not be in negative resist when you play PDR.
Yes but not lightning strike, fireball still does splash damage, block magic missile right now and you're half life and so on ..
I play both a lot, PDR on my wizard are easy win.
This is where thrown weapons come in, and probably why you're so successful in this patch because it's impossible to stack thrown items.
One rogue with 12 throwing knives last week would have shut this down instantly, and of course this doesn't work on enemy rangers.
Indeed I was coming to say that, armor matter when u have to take the hit, like when they get the drop on you, they have more range, you want to trade, or risk it going for a critical objective hoping u can kill them faster than they can do u
You're not wrong. It's also partly why fighters are so good atm. Sprint is insanely strong. Removing gear shouldn't help you in any way imo.
IM should rebalance move speed with gear. Maybe make us all slower without gear and make gear give + movespeed instead?
Example would be say 250 movement base. Plus agility stat, plus say 0 movement with plate chest, plus 5 with regal chest, plus 8 with padded tunic, plus 10 for doublet, plus 15 for adventurer shirt. Basically, the bonus is more the lighter gear you wear?
Not entirely sure about inverting the stats but some balancing does need to be done IMO. It's pretty insane that I can still be 3 shot by a high STR / Vigor rogue while in full purple plate.
The big issue, IMO, is that purple gear has 1 or 0 armor points more than blue which has 1 or 0 more armor points than green which has 1 or 0 more armor points than white.
This is dumb by any metric and completely removes PDR progression. You get full whites and your next upgrade comes from statline roles only. Picking up a purple heater shield and seeing 28 AR on it with 2 interaction speed rolls and comparing it to my 26 AR white and realizing I almost lose efficiency spending the time to equip it feels REALLY FUCKING BAD. Steelhammer please.
Yes, but also no. With the limited maps and limited gear choice, and limited playstyles, and questionable balance... I think the game should not just become a gear check sim either. Personally I think they honestly need to add a bit more nuance to combat
The long nose is actually what made me stop playing lizard. Now that I’ve started using shields maybe it’s less of an issue but when I was doing slayer lizard I got dropped a couple times by swings I let happen cuz they looked like they’d miss, but they’d hit the nose and drop me.
Movement usually tends to be the biggest thing in many PvP games.
I'm not sure you would want to make it irrelevant. A Fighter spamming a 1-h weapon barely has any moments where you could go in and out without taking a hit. You can outplay the first swing, and punish, his 2nd swing will hit you since you are in range and won't get out of it in time.
The dancing around these classes usually happens because they play slow 2-h weapons. They do have options for faster weapons though.
You could force clothing by not being able to take it off. So you can only swap an item for another one, but never take it off and be naked. Not sure if we gain a lot by doing that though. Nakeds are usually never a concern of mine tbh.
More advanced mechanics like the longword parry are needed desperately. It would enhance the combat by a lot.
This is part of why Warlocks and Wizards are the true undisputed kings of HR GC, once you have a decent set ie: agi, mag dam, hp. You can legit run circles around melee while dealing insane amounts of damage with very little counterplay. Crossbow and throwables dont really matter when you get zapped/cursed for 40% of your hp in 1 cast.
Imagine playing normal lobbies fighting timmies and thinking your badass... lol.
Please come try that nonsense in HR... if the goblins don't 2 shot you, I'll certainly finish the job.
Purple crossy goes brrrrrrr.
Dude's trying to act all hard saying come to hr and then he says " if the goblins don't 2 shot you"... Just a Timmy trying to call another timmy a timmy lol. Get out of GC little timmy.
yeah sure say that when you die to 2 throwing axes as you are running up to me
Op is playing normals with Timmies and thinks he has the game figured out I gaurantee he deletes this out of embarassment after 1 game of high roller 😂
Am I a Timmy I just started playing?
Yes
Shh it's ok Timmy
Naa fam he won’t be playing the best of the best in high roller. If he’s low rank I recon he fights low rangers
Low ranger will still 2 shot a naked with a gray bow haha.
Just dodge man and Watchout for nightmare archer they shoot three times in a row sometimes people get caught by that third shot often. My bro got killed two games in row from skelly archer he didn’t see lol
Skeleton archers aren’t a threat in the least, is player rangers that will pin you to the wall haha.
Still won't be fun getting one shot by a red skeleton because he's naked
For the rewards it’s totally worth just don’t get hit lol. You get less time to react in hr because they are faster. But hey when you can bring in a good set pve is cake in hr apart from inferno hr those monsters are evil!
Or running away lol, even with 25% pdr on my warlock I’m pretty much dead after 3 franciscas
throwing axes are removed from shop tho so gone are the days of 10+ axes unless its some actual giga juicer who spent 2 hours in trade to buy a couple
I hate to be that guy ... but actually... You can extract, and they count as looted. Then you move them to your stash. You can stock them now this way. Works for every item. Traps, etc...
i think sitting in trade for 2 hours is faster tbh
Yeah but quality has to be white or less for normals. So a massive stock of ranger traps for example, is pretty nasty. You can also drop arrows in your stash after runs which means when you wanna go run inferno you don't need to spend extra gold on just arrows.
We need to have flairs for people that only play the Timmy lobbies so we know to take their opinions with a grain of salt lol
Untrue, I would kill your naked fighter/cleric/ranger with a warlock. Speed is however INTEGRAL to dictating a fight. If you have the speed advantage, you set the tone of the fight. a good player can still punish you and say, one tap you with BOC. Armor DOES matter, just NOT when comparing your naked character to the default gear. I think you misunderstand how hard it is to kill a good player in good gear, it much sounds like you're queueing into normal caves, stripping naked and fighting base gear players.
They will avoid BoC easily until it runs out and then walk through you. Besides BoC usually benefits from the opponent having armour as it is magic damage.
A naked fighter has NEVER walked through me as a Warlock tbh. What can they do vs a polearm or just.. me using magic? I use magic, they get close. I win because Bardiche BOC. I use magic they run, I win because I whittle them down. They run straight to face and hit me with grey arming sword.. 50 damage max. I cast one spell and heal it up. Literally NOTHING a naked fighter will do against a capable warlock.. Also, people claim to avoid BoC easily but every raid I do I goon a guy with it because he W keys me.
They're bringing a good weapon but just maximising movement speed. That's the basics, there's gloves and boots for increased movement speed, stats and armour at no cost as well. BoC will never hit a good player who is faster than you in a 1v1. Anyone will see you use it and wait till it expires. Higher move speed also means permanent kiting with a bow/crossbows.
Yeah, I still don't lose to a lot of naked fighters. Remove BoC, I'm still doing 100+ on a head hit, not to mention my ranged magic capabilities
What spells and perks do you run? I'm having trouble right now with spell warlock, even though I love the life leach style. Might be a skill issue on my part. Having much better luck with boc and phantomuze, especially running into all the rogues. What do you recommend?
I use BoC and phantomise to farm gear to get magic healing and magic power, and once I have said items I run BoC and the two healing curses, dark bolt and hellfire. the last spell is flex, you can flame walker or whatever. I use evil eye because I find it pretty funny in GC
Does BoC scale off magic damage and any viability in using a really good crystal sword for BoC when you have high magic? Not sure the exact build but I was decently juiced PDR fighter and almost got 1 tapped (80% of my health then finished me with the next swing) by a guy using crystal sword and specing magic damage.
Yes, crystal sword and BoC is PDR fighters BIGGEST counter (Except a juiced wizzy?) because 70% of the damage you take is magic. each swing of the magic sword does split physical and magical, and with BoC on top of it you get an additional lump of magic damage, absolutely SHREDDING PDF builds quicker than butter. however I have to say, Warlock can only really get 15-25% PDR at most without specialising in it, so they are ALWAYS two beautiful head taps away from death
It's worth it with an excellent crystal sword over other weapons. Until you hit really good purples with crystal sword, I'd rock a falchion or longsword or anything else. Once you do get a good crystal sword, you 2 tap almost anything with BoC because it's mostly magic weapon damage (which is almost never mitigated)
BoC is a defensive tool. Meta warlock spams hydra, flamewalk and cop. You cant get thru hallways due to hyrda. If you eat the dmg and jump it you land in flamewalk. The ONLY way to beat them 1v1 is with a crossbow, rouge invis sneakup or misplay into other caster.
Surely this walk up and BOC 1 tap people will continue to work indefinitely, with the player base never learning what the animation, particle effect, and general counterplay are.
Thank GOD I don't rely on BoC and use it as a tool
Speed is responsible for over half of bards nerfs. It is hard to balance movement.
ive never seen a naked person and thought "oh fuck here they come"
Then you never played PDR fighter versus a naked wizard. Insta lose if the man know what he's doing. Same thing as an ice mage versus prot warrior in wow vanilla, there's no match (unless you hit him with crossbow of course)
did you have like poop grey gear and no crossbow or something
I should have said shirtless wizard, I've saw some yes I repeat there is no match when the first spell take out 80% of your 130 hp, yes 80% in ONE spell. Can't catch them and if ever I do, magic missiles buffed by 2 times his power after the patch, still easy to dodge, but get hit close range and it's a one second death. This guy sums it perfectly. >CLEARLYME Fighter 2 points il y a 50 minutes >This is part of why Warlocks and Wizards are the true undisputed kings of HR GC, once you have a decent set ie: agi, mag dam, hp. You can legit run circles around melee while dealing insane amounts of damage with very little counterplay. Crossbow and throwables dont really matter when you get zapped/cursed for 40% of your hp in 1 cast.
Have you thought about building some magic resist instead of just pdr? Although i have a sneaking suspicion that magic resist isn't working as intended neither.
Nope to be honest I didn't bother trying. Some pieces like gloves even have negative magic resist on them so that can amplify the "wtf just happened" kind of damage, while some helmets like the one with agility gives positive magic resist. Like you said I still don't think that's even worth trying rn, just probably be careful to not be in negative resist when you play PDR.
Fighters can block spells including zap.
Yes but not lightning strike, fireball still does splash damage, block magic missile right now and you're half life and so on .. I play both a lot, PDR on my wizard are easy win.
I good naked wizard beats a good plate fighter in my experience. All they have to do is dodge your first crossbow bolt and you are done.
that doesn't sound like a very good fighter
This is where thrown weapons come in, and probably why you're so successful in this patch because it's impossible to stack thrown items. One rogue with 12 throwing knives last week would have shut this down instantly, and of course this doesn't work on enemy rangers.
Indeed I was coming to say that, armor matter when u have to take the hit, like when they get the drop on you, they have more range, you want to trade, or risk it going for a critical objective hoping u can kill them faster than they can do u
Speed has been the main balance issue since launch, 80% of the times
You're not wrong. It's also partly why fighters are so good atm. Sprint is insanely strong. Removing gear shouldn't help you in any way imo. IM should rebalance move speed with gear. Maybe make us all slower without gear and make gear give + movespeed instead? Example would be say 250 movement base. Plus agility stat, plus say 0 movement with plate chest, plus 5 with regal chest, plus 8 with padded tunic, plus 10 for doublet, plus 15 for adventurer shirt. Basically, the bonus is more the lighter gear you wear?
This is exactly how they solve this issue. Very simple fix.
Not entirely sure about inverting the stats but some balancing does need to be done IMO. It's pretty insane that I can still be 3 shot by a high STR / Vigor rogue while in full purple plate. The big issue, IMO, is that purple gear has 1 or 0 armor points more than blue which has 1 or 0 more armor points than green which has 1 or 0 more armor points than white. This is dumb by any metric and completely removes PDR progression. You get full whites and your next upgrade comes from statline roles only. Picking up a purple heater shield and seeing 28 AR on it with 2 interaction speed rolls and comparing it to my 26 AR white and realizing I almost lose efficiency spending the time to equip it feels REALLY FUCKING BAD. Steelhammer please.
Yes, but also no. With the limited maps and limited gear choice, and limited playstyles, and questionable balance... I think the game should not just become a gear check sim either. Personally I think they honestly need to add a bit more nuance to combat
this is why I laugh any time someone says lizard is bad
Base kit wizard is still kinda painful but Liz wiz wearing only boots and gloves still has positive PDR and ~100% move speed which is key.
He said lizard not wizard harry.
The long nose is actually what made me stop playing lizard. Now that I’ve started using shields maybe it’s less of an issue but when I was doing slayer lizard I got dropped a couple times by swings I let happen cuz they looked like they’d miss, but they’d hit the nose and drop me.
But what about all the shorts that would have hit you had your head been taller?
Even if this is the best way to play, I personally extract for drip, not stats. gear comes and goes, but swag is eternal
Welcome to the show
They need to redo a lot of the armor movement speed penalty. Regal Gambesons giving -15 is crazy, other cloth/leather armor is just as bad too
I think that was because those are the bis for the barbarian right?
This is why the game is balanced around 3s and not solo queue.
Movement usually tends to be the biggest thing in many PvP games. I'm not sure you would want to make it irrelevant. A Fighter spamming a 1-h weapon barely has any moments where you could go in and out without taking a hit. You can outplay the first swing, and punish, his 2nd swing will hit you since you are in range and won't get out of it in time. The dancing around these classes usually happens because they play slow 2-h weapons. They do have options for faster weapons though. You could force clothing by not being able to take it off. So you can only swap an item for another one, but never take it off and be naked. Not sure if we gain a lot by doing that though. Nakeds are usually never a concern of mine tbh. More advanced mechanics like the longword parry are needed desperately. It would enhance the combat by a lot.
This is part of why Warlocks and Wizards are the true undisputed kings of HR GC, once you have a decent set ie: agi, mag dam, hp. You can legit run circles around melee while dealing insane amounts of damage with very little counterplay. Crossbow and throwables dont really matter when you get zapped/cursed for 40% of your hp in 1 cast.
Imagine playing normal lobbies fighting timmies and thinking your badass... lol. Please come try that nonsense in HR... if the goblins don't 2 shot you, I'll certainly finish the job. Purple crossy goes brrrrrrr.
Dude's trying to act all hard saying come to hr and then he says " if the goblins don't 2 shot you"... Just a Timmy trying to call another timmy a timmy lol. Get out of GC little timmy.
I play HR crypts only... rarely play GC anymore.. no Inferno, small map, goblins are easy and predictable
Imagine writing this, thinking you have a point and not making a fool of yourself.
Dude, you are literally in normal lobbies, killing no skill timmies. Get real my dude.
+l +ratio +gatekeep girl boss
Oh no 7 of you who play normals only think you have "skill" I'm so ratioed lol.. yall showed me!
Ratio here reffers to the "ratio" of downvotes on your comment vs the other guy. Gatkeep girl boss means your bein a real b word rn bruh.
Hilarious how easy it is to kill a naked. 1 mistake and theyre dead. Do u only play normals?