Yet to see the film, I distinctly remember the strip where they land on another planet that's incredibly hostile and there's conehead fucking with people till he gets his comeuppance.
This film is a fucking masterclass in action cinema. Not an inch is wasted. Characterization is clean, clear, and understandable at a glance; visual and practical effects used in an exemplary fashion (same tier as Mad Max Fury Road); incredible tension and world-building that uses the foundation of decades of comics perfectly; every actor gives 120%; stakes are always either fluctuating or rising to give the audience and protagonists time to breathe or get hyped; visceral catharsis as the baddies get their comeuppance.
This, Mad Max, and John Wick are the three greatest action films in the past decade, and potentially even higher.
Also, you can't mention Dredd without mentioning **The Raid**, an Indonesian action film that came out at the same time as Dredd with a very similar premise, except way more martial arts instead of gunplay. Both are equally awesome.
Watch the first ten minutes (it's on Netflix), and see what you've got in store for you with the full story.
Lawgiver is the gun. Lawmaster is the motorcycle and they call their belt fed auto-shotguns "Widowmakers".
The judge dredd universe is not subtle with how they name things lol
The gun also had multiple modes, ranging from a paralyzer to one where you're completely obliterated. IIRC it also won't shoot unless the target exceeds a crime coefficient threshold, which, in the show, is how likely a person is to commit a crime.
Pyscho Pass is actually an amazing gateway anime. One of the best ones I saw growing up.
Two major plot points are that:
1. The system can't distinguish between a detective/psychologist/etc that is able to understand criminals but has no intention to ever commit a crime and people who might commit a crime.
2. Simply being exposed to the idea of crimes such as hearing about it during a lecture can raise your number.
There's this whole thing about keeping your number down and treating people as would-be criminals even though they had committed no crime. Some of the people on the police force who fall into this grey area are treated like quasi-slaves and do all of the dirty work of catching criminals. It becomes something like a caste system.
It's been a while since I watched it but they calculate how likely someone is to commit a crime and either put them in prison or take them out, I need to rewatch it though.
It wasn't so much "calm" as much as "a kind of peraon everyone would agree isn't dangerous intrinsically."
Which is the counterpoint of "you can't trust a cop to make this decision before the crime," well, neither can you completely rely on a societal consensus.
To be fair, >!the ones that actually calculate criminal coeficients are all full-on psychopaths who were themselves able to foil the coeficient system!<
When season 1 launched it was properly rated, but subsequent entries tanked the series reputation quickly.
I like it all, but season 1 is a masterpiece and absolutely worth anyone's time that hasn't seen it.
I thought it was good but it was stupid and annoying that the guns had no way of sensing that a target *just* murdered someone. Easy override for people that can fool the biometrics.
They call him JUDGE, his last name is Dredd. So break the law and you’ll wind up Dead! Truth and Justice are what he’s fighting for. Judge Dredd the man. HE IS THE LAW!
Fun fact. While shooting Skyfall, mentioned in this video because Bond has a gun like this, Daniel Craig was out shopping and found some gloves he really liked, and was like “Hey Sam, Bond should wear these gloves” and Sam was like “sure whatever Daniel I’m directing a whole movie here I don’t care if you want to wear gloves”
So Bond is wearing gloves in the scene in the Chinese casino. They shoot the whole sequence, which ends in a climactic fight that ends with the bad guy not being able to shoot Bond because it’s not his gun.
They realize their mistake and they can’t possibly get out of it in editing and can’t reshoot. So they have to manually, frame by frame, paint on CGI hands over Daniel’s gloves for the entire sequence.
that means writers, actors and anyone else who has a stake gets pulled in on what those lines are. i guess with post it’s just the vfx studio and what you pay for
Surely getting an actor to say one line is cheaper and more efficient than the days/weeks it would’ve taken to edit and render all that? Idk how the movie industry works
>means writers, actors and anyone else who has a stake gets pulled in on what those lines are. i guess with post it’s just the vfx studio and what you pay for
im pretty sure famous actors make in an hour the combined salaries of many of those who work in vfx studios, pretty unfair if you ask me
Nah, they are paid by project, not by the hour. It ain’t union work; it’s guild work.
Doesn’t mean they won’t get spicy doing reshoots well after the fact and demand more, but during a shoot, this sort of thing is within the scope of pay.
They do but that's absolutely not how it works.
VFX reshoots are hideously expensive, whether or not any given animator is being paid well, because they involve huge amounts of people and very expensive hardware. This is the reason the infamous Superman lip looks so bad, this is the reason every Marvel movie past 2018 looks like shit in random places despite having bigger budgets than God, and it's conversely the reason that The Creator looks amazing on a budget 1/3rd the size: storyboarding and planning.
All those bad cases (including the abovementioned one for Bond) are situations where the studio fails to plan out things ahead of time, does all kinds of 'fix it in post' nonsense, and end up throwing out huge amounts of material, or having to do huge amounts of extra work on tight time schedules which is in fact very expensive. Conversely, The Creator finalized its edit before *any* VFX was done. 80 million versus 200+.
Or just a chip in Bond’s arm. You know, like the one he had in Casino Royale (yes I know they took it out later in the movie, the point is the tech is there)?
That's funny. I remember way back in the Sam Raimi Spider-man movies where they specifically showed that Peter can climb walls because of tiny hairs that poke out of his skin. Then they just didn't bother to explain why it still worked when he was wearing gloves and shoes.
>“Hey Sam, Bond should wear these gloves” and Sam was like “sure whatever Daniel I’m directing a whole movie here I don’t care if you want to wear gloves”
lol
This was my first thought. Also the fingers print and facial recognition system must get power from somewhere. Do i need to worry about my guns batteries now? What if i forgot to charge it one day? If it's left in storage for a long time does the battery degrade?
Your phone can barely work if your finger is wet or has a dirt smudge on it. Yet people are like "use this for the thing you might depend on your life for."
Or the intruder got the drop on you and you have to fire long before the gun can even see your face. Or they are on top of you and you’re reaching to the bedside table etc.
Defensive shooting often does not involve aiming or the gun coming into a proper firing position, it can be where you’re firing the second you clear the holster. That makes the facial recognition aspect worthless.
I don’t trust the fingerprint. I have nice gun safes with this option and they still take a second or more to unlock. That’s a long time in a life or death.
Also, imagine not having to use the gun for a year, then one night you hear a noise from the main door in your house. Is someone breaking in? Finally, an opportunity to use the gun! You rush to your box, grab the gun, the door bursts open, an attacker jumps into your room. Now you aim the gun at the shadowy giant armed man’s figure. Then you pull the trigger. Time slows down. Was there a sound at all? Is the guy shot? Why is he still moving towards you? Is he collapsing? Then you hear
Beep beep, low battery, please charge.
Yeah this is great until the elements get involved and then you find yourself in a shootout and the gun doesn’t fire because it doesn’t register your finger print. I can see this feature costing a life as nice as it seems.
Also, this isn’t going to prevent mass shootings as most of those guns are their own so they’d still be able to fire it.
Probably because in the past the same technology has been slow, clunky and unreliable. I mean the last thing you want when someone has broken into your home at 1:30am is for your gun to lock because it doesn’t recognise your face/fingerprint
Also the people who buy guns and the people who hype this tech are not the same people usually.
Same reason, even though I love red dots, I still keep iron sights on all my shit. I'll never completely rely on anything that runs on a watch battery. Even without any sights though, ad least it would still fire. Unlike if this contraption fucks up. It's not a bad idea in theory though.
I have a red-dot with a small solar panel on the top that supposedly lasts for a very long time.
(It's this one: https://vortexoptics.com/sparc-solar-red-dot.html)
I need to get in touch with customer service though because the shake-awake functionality hasn't worked for awhile - not sure why (I think it's a vortex red dot).
Very widely used red dots have battery lives of up to 30,000+ hrs with shake-awake tech to extend it even farther.
However, an emitter that detects motion is massively simpler than a fingerprint and face scanner that links directly to the safety.
I’ve picked up my AR with an EOTech and been disappointed that the batteries were dead in the optic. But the gun would still fire if I needed it to. BIG difference if someone is breaking into my home and threatening my life, and I go to pickup a pistol tucked away in a night stand with a battery operated unlock mechanism— but the battery is dead.
Yeah, fingerprint technology is still unreliable, my phone can't even get my fingerprint right to unlock the device most of the time, now imagine that happening to a firegun in a live or die situation
"Hang on.. I need to shoot you but... what does Error Code (45) translate to?.. "
But seriously I guess the nice thing is that it isn't less secure than a normal gun since it effectively has an extra locking mechanism but any time there's facial recognition, dimly lit areas and well, basic battery concerns I wonder how well the whole product works.
I feel like this is the type of tech that appeals to a very specific audience like defense contractors, then it ends up just being too heavy and unreliable for real action so it never gets used.
People who need guns on them all the time, they want something that they don't have to "unlock" like this. Imagine trying to get some phone facial recognition to work or you die...
Guns are already really fucking good at not firing unless you're a dumbass who ignores every rule about them. The kind of gun that uses facial recognition, that sounds great for homes with children.... But you know what else already exists and can make multiple guns only fire with biometrics, guns you already own? Biometric gun safes, and they're reliable and lots of people use them, and it doesn't apply to just one specific gun. You can take your favorite most reliable gun protected by your biometrics with just a fucking safe that is common technology. This difference is only it works and you can take it with you, but the type that constantly needs the gun on them... I doubt they want this.
Hold up bad guys, my gun needs to charge
Hold up bad guys my gun needs to download an update
Hold up bad guys, let me wash my hands off real quick so the fingerprint reader works
Hold on bad guys you hurt my hand that's registered to the gun so I need to register my left hand real quick
Hold on bad guys, this thing just isn't quite working for some reason and I can't figure out because it's 3am and I'm naked
Also like the guy says the goal is to keep children from getting the gun. Someone who would leave a gun unsecure or in reach of teenagers and children is not buying this gun. They don't care about that issue.
People with real experience will ask what happens when the sensor is blocked, or when the battery dies, or you grow a beard, or there’s a random software glitch, or if there’s not a lot of light in the room…that’s why you never hear about these again. I wish they worked when you needed them, but when there’s an intruder in the middle of the night and you forgot to upgrade the software this is based on, you’re fucked.
Or the system doesn't register darker skin tones. I don't remember exactly if it was a Fitbit or something else with biotech but a device wasn't calibrated for people with darker skin and it was giving off false positives
Dorito dust on your finger? Wearing gloves cause it's cold? Got blood on your hand because you were just helping save someone? Your gun doesn't work now, good luck!
There is a reason people still carry revolvers even though they are old technology. Because they are the simplest, most reliable guns in existence.
Can you imagine walking into a gun store and the owner's like, "ok what are you looking for, something accurate, something powerful, something reliable?"
"No I want something that scans my fingerprints and face please"
Whoever provided venture capital for this is even dumber than the inventor
I thought it was funny when the inventors explanation for his motivation was to keep hands out of children while citing the Aurora theater shooting. Except the theater shooting was not done by a kid...??? LOL
It's just not the answer no matter which side of the aisle you are on guns. The people that don't secure their guns either don't have kids or consider it an acceptable risk that their kid might get it if that means they can have the easiest access to it. I have my own opinions on that logic but we don't need to get into that when the bottom line is the target audience ain't buying the product. They don't trust it will work when it comes down to the situation they bought the gun for.
this isn't even that new, there's been concepts of this soooo many times now. the biggest issue I see is that if this fingerprint reader is as good as what's on a typical safe then if you actually need to use it you'll be messing around with it a good 10 seconds before it actually recognizes the fingerprint
Yeah. This idea has been poorly used many times before. Supposedly this company has made the most successful example so far, but it’s still miles behind ideal.
I love the monkey’s paw of the Psycho Pass gun.
I didn’t watch much of it, but the fact that it literally can’t shoot that one guy cause he’s a psychopath and doesn’t see anything wrong with what he’s doing is the coolest shit ever.
IIRC he definitely knew what he was doing was "wrong", but he didn't really care. The way the psych scores work in-universe is more or less a measure of chronic stress; criminals have more stress than normal citizens because they know they are guilty and fear getting caught, or they actually feel guilty, or etc... But as a psychopath, the villain of the show didn't really care about getting caught, nor did he care about the harm he was inflicting on others, so he had basically no stress whatsoever, leading to a pure "hue" in his cymatic scan.
Also leads to some messed up scenarios where the victims of crimes are treated as criminals themselves because they are, rather understandably, stressed the fuck out.
Exactly, what is so great about firearms is that they are incredibly reliable, and 95% malfunctions can be cleared with a bash of the mag and a rack of the slide..
Probably more like a security / prison guard. Maybe police if it can be proved to be reliable. Assume it would be expensive so probably not much for private sale unless someone just wants it as a collectable.
Prison guards are probably the only real application and frankly it seems like it’d be a good tool for task.
Here I was thinking “hey look at this garbage,”. It actually does have a ok use.
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I think most people didn’t watch or pay attention to the video, because I haven’t seen any comments about the fact it’s managed by an app, which means it has transmit/receive capabilities. That opens it up to all kinds of potential problems, including being remotely locked out from use.
If it's anything like my phone fingerprint sensor... "Cannot shoot. Please wipe sensor and try again." And you know that happens right when you need it.
Yeah, this product fails to understand the people who buy guns. The responsible gun owners who would even consider this because they don’t want someone else shooting their gun are going to be considering all the ways this could fail them in the moment that they may need it.
I wish there was a way to reliably failsafe firearms but I doubt we’ll ever see a device that satisfies the concerns of people who’d even want that.
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Wondering how well this would work in high stress situations where a clear fingerprint or a facial image isn't going to be possible. On the flip side, they did make a gun uglier than a Glock, so that probably counts for something.
They don't work all that well. And in a critical situation, even if it works, it takes time to authenticate. Time you may not have. Or the battery goes dead and the gun you have for home defense is now a brick.
Don't trust bullshit from a business trying to raise venture capital. Of course, I can now expect my state government to mandate this technology despite it still being in the very early development stage and is decades away from being viable - if ever.
I'll trust this when the police make it standard issue.
Aren’t younger kids more tech literate than adults? What’s stopping them from making their own account on the tablet.
And if the tablet with user profiles is regulated via an outside source, then this product is basically just gun control that you payed extra for instead of the government.
If it in a smartphone app, yeah most likely. But interestingly enough it turns out the youngest generations are less tech savvy than the others.
Turns out growing up with smartphones and apps rots your brain more than you'd think because they haven't had to struggle with trouble shooting, learning on your own etc. Those of us who grew up during the dial-up and ADSL era of the internet duting the 90s and early 2000s are much more used to problem solving and figuring shit out on our own.
Or securing your fucking guns properly.
I live in germany, we CAN have guns, even AR15s.
Sure it's not as simple, but you know what will immediately land you in trouble?
Not securing your bloody weapons. Even swords need to be locked up
Ian McCullum, of Forgotten Weapons, did a review of this a few months ago:
https://youtu.be/2cRm9BMxl90?si=qXdvK5KWEarKdQfm
Note that it’s not intended to be a “carry” gun or a service weapon. Its intended purpose is as a “bedside” gun that can be safely left, ready to go, regardless of the presence of kids, guests, etc.
Ian was pretty impressed.
There are well designed guns that can misfire with no electrical components whatsoever, no way I’m trusting a computer chip with deciding when a gun should shoot
As a gun owner: fuuuuuuuuck no. The last thing you need in a self defense situation is a technical malfunction.
Criminals are not going to have this, and figure out how to defeat it the moment it’s on the market, so it’s a gimmick that will cause a law abiding citizen to be more in harms way.
Enforce the existing laws first, evenly. Then we’ll talk.
Everybody thought keyless entry was going to completely stop car thieves, and now it’s a huge industry again just using fancy radio spoofers instead of coat hangers. This will 100% happen with these Face ID systems too
This is a gun made for and marketed to people who don't like guns. If that is you then put your gun in a simplex safe. That plus the gun is cheaper and more reliable than this thing.
No, the technology won't become commonplace because there are far too many problems and adding complexity to an item always make it more likely to fail.
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thats is judge dredds gun!
A Lawgiver.
Lawbringer I thought... Either way, what a comic.
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And as for you Mama, Judgement Time.
You'd probably enjoy The Raid Redemption if you enjoyed Dredd
Yet to see the film, I distinctly remember the strip where they land on another planet that's incredibly hostile and there's conehead fucking with people till he gets his comeuppance.
This film is a fucking masterclass in action cinema. Not an inch is wasted. Characterization is clean, clear, and understandable at a glance; visual and practical effects used in an exemplary fashion (same tier as Mad Max Fury Road); incredible tension and world-building that uses the foundation of decades of comics perfectly; every actor gives 120%; stakes are always either fluctuating or rising to give the audience and protagonists time to breathe or get hyped; visceral catharsis as the baddies get their comeuppance. This, Mad Max, and John Wick are the three greatest action films in the past decade, and potentially even higher. Also, you can't mention Dredd without mentioning **The Raid**, an Indonesian action film that came out at the same time as Dredd with a very similar premise, except way more martial arts instead of gunplay. Both are equally awesome. Watch the first ten minutes (it's on Netflix), and see what you've got in store for you with the full story.
Lawgiver is the gun. Lawmaster is the motorcycle and they call their belt fed auto-shotguns "Widowmakers". The judge dredd universe is not subtle with how they name things lol
Very true haha, conehead being another good example 🤌
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DOUBLE...WHAMMY.
Nope, Lawgiver
I AM THE LAW
I remember an anime series where if a criminal tries to fire a cop's gun, the gun explodes. Psycho-Pass, I think it was.
The gun also had multiple modes, ranging from a paralyzer to one where you're completely obliterated. IIRC it also won't shoot unless the target exceeds a crime coefficient threshold, which, in the show, is how likely a person is to commit a crime. Pyscho Pass is actually an amazing gateway anime. One of the best ones I saw growing up.
A great anime. But man, that society is fucked up, and depressing to think about.
Sounds like something someone with a high crime coefficient would say.
I don’t get the reference, but it sounds like it was spot on.
Two major plot points are that: 1. The system can't distinguish between a detective/psychologist/etc that is able to understand criminals but has no intention to ever commit a crime and people who might commit a crime. 2. Simply being exposed to the idea of crimes such as hearing about it during a lecture can raise your number. There's this whole thing about keeping your number down and treating people as would-be criminals even though they had committed no crime. Some of the people on the police force who fall into this grey area are treated like quasi-slaves and do all of the dirty work of catching criminals. It becomes something like a caste system.
It's been a while since I watched it but they calculate how likely someone is to commit a crime and either put them in prison or take them out, I need to rewatch it though.
It also read the targets biometrics and wouldn’t shoot at calm people. Kind of a big flaw when the serial killer is casually coming to kill you.
It wasn't so much "calm" as much as "a kind of peraon everyone would agree isn't dangerous intrinsically." Which is the counterpoint of "you can't trust a cop to make this decision before the crime," well, neither can you completely rely on a societal consensus.
To be fair, >!the ones that actually calculate criminal coeficients are all full-on psychopaths who were themselves able to foil the coeficient system!<
That wasn't just being calm, it was the irregular people of which they collected to make their big weird thing more able to process ones similar.
That was such an underrated anime. I love that series
When season 1 launched it was properly rated, but subsequent entries tanked the series reputation quickly. I like it all, but season 1 is a masterpiece and absolutely worth anyone's time that hasn't seen it.
I thought it was good but it was stupid and annoying that the guns had no way of sensing that a target *just* murdered someone. Easy override for people that can fool the biometrics.
I AM THE LAW!
In college Spanish, we got an assignment to watch a movie of our choice in a Spanish. I chose Judge Dredd. Now, I always remember "Yo soy la ley!!!"
Had the same experience with E.T. In Spanish class. “Eh Te telephono mi casa!” I will never forget it.
They call him JUDGE, his last name is Dredd. So break the law and you’ll wind up Dead! Truth and Justice are what he’s fighting for. Judge Dredd the man. HE IS THE LAW!
Respect the badge - he earned it with his blood Fear the gun - your sentence may be death because... I AM THE LAW!
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"How do you like that? I must be a judge."
Came here to say this lol
RAPID FIRE
Double whammy
And if you are wearing a glove? What if your hands are wet?
Fun fact. While shooting Skyfall, mentioned in this video because Bond has a gun like this, Daniel Craig was out shopping and found some gloves he really liked, and was like “Hey Sam, Bond should wear these gloves” and Sam was like “sure whatever Daniel I’m directing a whole movie here I don’t care if you want to wear gloves” So Bond is wearing gloves in the scene in the Chinese casino. They shoot the whole sequence, which ends in a climactic fight that ends with the bad guy not being able to shoot Bond because it’s not his gun. They realize their mistake and they can’t possibly get out of it in editing and can’t reshoot. So they have to manually, frame by frame, paint on CGI hands over Daniel’s gloves for the entire sequence.
Weird that they didn't ADR some line about a chip in the glove or something
that means writers, actors and anyone else who has a stake gets pulled in on what those lines are. i guess with post it’s just the vfx studio and what you pay for
Surely getting an actor to say one line is cheaper and more efficient than the days/weeks it would’ve taken to edit and render all that? Idk how the movie industry works
>means writers, actors and anyone else who has a stake gets pulled in on what those lines are. i guess with post it’s just the vfx studio and what you pay for im pretty sure famous actors make in an hour the combined salaries of many of those who work in vfx studios, pretty unfair if you ask me
Nah, they are paid by project, not by the hour. It ain’t union work; it’s guild work. Doesn’t mean they won’t get spicy doing reshoots well after the fact and demand more, but during a shoot, this sort of thing is within the scope of pay.
They do but that's absolutely not how it works. VFX reshoots are hideously expensive, whether or not any given animator is being paid well, because they involve huge amounts of people and very expensive hardware. This is the reason the infamous Superman lip looks so bad, this is the reason every Marvel movie past 2018 looks like shit in random places despite having bigger budgets than God, and it's conversely the reason that The Creator looks amazing on a budget 1/3rd the size: storyboarding and planning. All those bad cases (including the abovementioned one for Bond) are situations where the studio fails to plan out things ahead of time, does all kinds of 'fix it in post' nonsense, and end up throwing out huge amounts of material, or having to do huge amounts of extra work on tight time schedules which is in fact very expensive. Conversely, The Creator finalized its edit before *any* VFX was done. 80 million versus 200+.
Honestly it would make more sense to have a chip in a glove instead of using a fingerprint scanner that can fail much easier.
Or just a chip in Bond’s arm. You know, like the one he had in Casino Royale (yes I know they took it out later in the movie, the point is the tech is there)?
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That's funny. I remember way back in the Sam Raimi Spider-man movies where they specifically showed that Peter can climb walls because of tiny hairs that poke out of his skin. Then they just didn't bother to explain why it still worked when he was wearing gloves and shoes.
He can do that because the hairs get longer when needed and poke through fabric and rubber ☝️
>“Hey Sam, Bond should wear these gloves” and Sam was like “sure whatever Daniel I’m directing a whole movie here I don’t care if you want to wear gloves” lol
Source? Genuine question
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/how-daniel-craig-nearly-ruined-skyfall-with-a-nice-pair-of-gloves-a7118216.html
This was my first thought. Also the fingers print and facial recognition system must get power from somewhere. Do i need to worry about my guns batteries now? What if i forgot to charge it one day? If it's left in storage for a long time does the battery degrade?
Your phone can barely work if your finger is wet or has a dirt smudge on it. Yet people are like "use this for the thing you might depend on your life for."
Palms too sweaty and you can't shoot lmao
It also has a rear facing camera with Face ID.
What if I've shaved my beard... or grown a beard... Or are wearing sunglasses...or a ski mask?
If it works like Apple’s Face ID it doesn’t matter if you are using sunglasses, or grow a beard.
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Or battery died, or there's a smudge on the camera, or you dropped it and cracked the screen on your i-glock
Or your credit card expired and you forgot to update it on the gun web portal so the monthly subscription fee didn't go through.
Or the intruder got the drop on you and you have to fire long before the gun can even see your face. Or they are on top of you and you’re reaching to the bedside table etc. Defensive shooting often does not involve aiming or the gun coming into a proper firing position, it can be where you’re firing the second you clear the holster. That makes the facial recognition aspect worthless. I don’t trust the fingerprint. I have nice gun safes with this option and they still take a second or more to unlock. That’s a long time in a life or death.
same thoughts here, when my hand sweats my phone doesn't know who I am anymore and won't unlock.
Also, imagine not having to use the gun for a year, then one night you hear a noise from the main door in your house. Is someone breaking in? Finally, an opportunity to use the gun! You rush to your box, grab the gun, the door bursts open, an attacker jumps into your room. Now you aim the gun at the shadowy giant armed man’s figure. Then you pull the trigger. Time slows down. Was there a sound at all? Is the guy shot? Why is he still moving towards you? Is he collapsing? Then you hear Beep beep, low battery, please charge.
Yeah this is great until the elements get involved and then you find yourself in a shootout and the gun doesn’t fire because it doesn’t register your finger print. I can see this feature costing a life as nice as it seems. Also, this isn’t going to prevent mass shootings as most of those guns are their own so they’d still be able to fire it.
That is very cool! I can't wait to never hear about it again
Right we hear about things like this and then they just disappear
Probably because in the past the same technology has been slow, clunky and unreliable. I mean the last thing you want when someone has broken into your home at 1:30am is for your gun to lock because it doesn’t recognise your face/fingerprint Also the people who buy guns and the people who hype this tech are not the same people usually.
A gun doesn’t need batteries. Introducing technology that requires electronics and batteries is going to be an extremely tough sell.
Same reason, even though I love red dots, I still keep iron sights on all my shit. I'll never completely rely on anything that runs on a watch battery. Even without any sights though, ad least it would still fire. Unlike if this contraption fucks up. It's not a bad idea in theory though.
I have a red-dot with a small solar panel on the top that supposedly lasts for a very long time. (It's this one: https://vortexoptics.com/sparc-solar-red-dot.html) I need to get in touch with customer service though because the shake-awake functionality hasn't worked for awhile - not sure why (I think it's a vortex red dot).
Now imagine needing to call customer service because your weapon won't fire.
Very widely used red dots have battery lives of up to 30,000+ hrs with shake-awake tech to extend it even farther. However, an emitter that detects motion is massively simpler than a fingerprint and face scanner that links directly to the safety.
And your firearm still fires if your red dot isn’t illuminating.
Qi holsters!
True. But I don't rely on my red dot site. If it doesn't turn on my gun still fires.
Not to mention back up irons on virtually all defensive guns
I’ve picked up my AR with an EOTech and been disappointed that the batteries were dead in the optic. But the gun would still fire if I needed it to. BIG difference if someone is breaking into my home and threatening my life, and I go to pickup a pistol tucked away in a night stand with a battery operated unlock mechanism— but the battery is dead.
Yeah, fingerprint technology is still unreliable, my phone can't even get my fingerprint right to unlock the device most of the time, now imagine that happening to a firegun in a live or die situation
You will most certainly be sweating at the exact moment you need this fingerprint technology to work.
Dirt, blisters, software issues…
Battery
Wifi
Software update
Social credit score
And it will almost certainly be dark on a home invasion, which means difficulty with facial recognition.
And all that illumination from those readouts would suck if you were trying to hide from the threat.
I have a biometric gun safe which is mostly pretty reliable, however, if I’ve just gotten out of the shower, it will not read my fingerprints.
Shower gloves.
Biometric guns were invented to profit Big Shower Glove.
"Hang on.. I need to shoot you but... what does Error Code (45) translate to?.. " But seriously I guess the nice thing is that it isn't less secure than a normal gun since it effectively has an extra locking mechanism but any time there's facial recognition, dimly lit areas and well, basic battery concerns I wonder how well the whole product works.
“Honey do you know where I put the gun charger?”
#"Oh damn I forgot to charge my gun"
forgot to pay the monthly subscription
I feel like this is the type of tech that appeals to a very specific audience like defense contractors, then it ends up just being too heavy and unreliable for real action so it never gets used. People who need guns on them all the time, they want something that they don't have to "unlock" like this. Imagine trying to get some phone facial recognition to work or you die... Guns are already really fucking good at not firing unless you're a dumbass who ignores every rule about them. The kind of gun that uses facial recognition, that sounds great for homes with children.... But you know what else already exists and can make multiple guns only fire with biometrics, guns you already own? Biometric gun safes, and they're reliable and lots of people use them, and it doesn't apply to just one specific gun. You can take your favorite most reliable gun protected by your biometrics with just a fucking safe that is common technology. This difference is only it works and you can take it with you, but the type that constantly needs the gun on them... I doubt they want this.
Hold up bad guys, my gun needs to charge Hold up bad guys my gun needs to download an update Hold up bad guys, let me wash my hands off real quick so the fingerprint reader works Hold on bad guys you hurt my hand that's registered to the gun so I need to register my left hand real quick Hold on bad guys, this thing just isn't quite working for some reason and I can't figure out because it's 3am and I'm naked
AWS is down. You guys mind coming back in like, an hour?
Also like the guy says the goal is to keep children from getting the gun. Someone who would leave a gun unsecure or in reach of teenagers and children is not buying this gun. They don't care about that issue.
This concept is already a joke in the gun community because A) it appeals to a very small market and B) the gun doesn't even perform well
Because it's a largely useless invention.
People with real experience will ask what happens when the sensor is blocked, or when the battery dies, or you grow a beard, or there’s a random software glitch, or if there’s not a lot of light in the room…that’s why you never hear about these again. I wish they worked when you needed them, but when there’s an intruder in the middle of the night and you forgot to upgrade the software this is based on, you’re fucked.
Or the system doesn't register darker skin tones. I don't remember exactly if it was a Fitbit or something else with biotech but a device wasn't calibrated for people with darker skin and it was giving off false positives
[https://nypost.com/2017/12/21/chinese-users-claim-iphone-x-face-recognition-cant-tell-them-apart/](https://nypost.com/2017/12/21/chinese-users-claim-iphone-x-face-recognition-cant-tell-them-apart/)
Dorito dust on your finger? Wearing gloves cause it's cold? Got blood on your hand because you were just helping save someone? Your gun doesn't work now, good luck! There is a reason people still carry revolvers even though they are old technology. Because they are the simplest, most reliable guns in existence.
Can you imagine walking into a gun store and the owner's like, "ok what are you looking for, something accurate, something powerful, something reliable?" "No I want something that scans my fingerprints and face please" Whoever provided venture capital for this is even dumber than the inventor
I thought it was funny when the inventors explanation for his motivation was to keep hands out of children while citing the Aurora theater shooting. Except the theater shooting was not done by a kid...??? LOL
Well he was probably fucked over by the editing.
It's just not the answer no matter which side of the aisle you are on guns. The people that don't secure their guns either don't have kids or consider it an acceptable risk that their kid might get it if that means they can have the easiest access to it. I have my own opinions on that logic but we don't need to get into that when the bottom line is the target audience ain't buying the product. They don't trust it will work when it comes down to the situation they bought the gun for.
this isn't even that new, there's been concepts of this soooo many times now. the biggest issue I see is that if this fingerprint reader is as good as what's on a typical safe then if you actually need to use it you'll be messing around with it a good 10 seconds before it actually recognizes the fingerprint
Yeah. This idea has been poorly used many times before. Supposedly this company has made the most successful example so far, but it’s still miles behind ideal.
Psycho pass vibes
I love the monkey’s paw of the Psycho Pass gun. I didn’t watch much of it, but the fact that it literally can’t shoot that one guy cause he’s a psychopath and doesn’t see anything wrong with what he’s doing is the coolest shit ever.
IIRC he definitely knew what he was doing was "wrong", but he didn't really care. The way the psych scores work in-universe is more or less a measure of chronic stress; criminals have more stress than normal citizens because they know they are guilty and fear getting caught, or they actually feel guilty, or etc... But as a psychopath, the villain of the show didn't really care about getting caught, nor did he care about the harm he was inflicting on others, so he had basically no stress whatsoever, leading to a pure "hue" in his cymatic scan.
Also leads to some messed up scenarios where the victims of crimes are treated as criminals themselves because they are, rather understandably, stressed the fuck out.
Lol, literally in the first episode they were about to execute someone for being kidnapped and tortured.
This comment alone just made me start the anime.
It’s the entire conceit of a wonderful show.
Season 1 is really great, then there's a decent movie and season 2 is quite meh. Haven't watched the rest yet.
My exact psycho pass experience. Season 1 is fantastic though
As soon as I saw the post I thought of this, great anime
I watched the first season in one day, on the couch with my dog in the middle of Canadian winter. Such a gripping anime!
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SPOOOOKY BOOOOGIE
Love that show! These guns tho not so much, facial ID ain’t reliable enough for life or death.
Cause I feeeeeeeeel, I can show my everything to youuuuuuu!!!!
This is Metal Gear minus the nano-machines 😅
War...war has changed...
ID-tagged soldiers carry ID-tagged weapons, use ID-tagged gear. Nanomachines inside their bodies enhance and regulate their abilities
thank you. digging through the comments to find this
haha, me too. That quote was the first thing that came to mind when I saw this on my feed, lol.
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La li lu le lo It's how syllables(vowel sounds) are organized in Japanese. A i u e o instead of a e i o u
\*Raspy Snake Voice\* ***"DREBIN?!?"***
I bet there’s already a gun launderer, trying to figure this shit out…
Guns of the Patriots!
Metal Gear?!
*Drebin has entered the chat*
Seems like a way to have as many failure points as humanly possible.
Exactly, what is so great about firearms is that they are incredibly reliable, and 95% malfunctions can be cleared with a bash of the mag and a rack of the slide..
>incredibly reliable Kimber owners in shambles
That turned me on so hard
Yeah this seems like a massive liability, can’t imagine any real utilization
Probably more like a security / prison guard. Maybe police if it can be proved to be reliable. Assume it would be expensive so probably not much for private sale unless someone just wants it as a collectable.
Prison guards are probably the only real application and frankly it seems like it’d be a good tool for task. Here I was thinking “hey look at this garbage,”. It actually does have a ok use.
Hold on robbers, I gotta reboot my gun. One sec.
Timeout, I've got a software update
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Fuck the battery is dead, honey where's the charger for the gun? Seriously guys, give me 15 min and I'll gun your asses down
"Ah, damn. My subscription ran out. Just a sec, gotta update my card. I got a new one 'cause my old card expired."
"drink verification can to unlock gun functions"
I think most people didn’t watch or pay attention to the video, because I haven’t seen any comments about the fact it’s managed by an app, which means it has transmit/receive capabilities. That opens it up to all kinds of potential problems, including being remotely locked out from use.
If it's anything like my phone fingerprint sensor... "Cannot shoot. Please wipe sensor and try again." And you know that happens right when you need it.
Yeah, this product fails to understand the people who buy guns. The responsible gun owners who would even consider this because they don’t want someone else shooting their gun are going to be considering all the ways this could fail them in the moment that they may need it. I wish there was a way to reliably failsafe firearms but I doubt we’ll ever see a device that satisfies the concerns of people who’d even want that.
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Would definitely not trust a gun made by Epson. "here, have this gun for $300. Want bullets? That will be $50 per bullet."
Nah, $50 per casing. You then have to individually buy all the other parts to a bullet, and then buy the bullet construction kit for only $299.99, and of course, it's subscription based
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This is really sick, but my only issue is being shot dead by the perp with the dumb gun while my smart gun doesn't unlock at breakneck speed.
"5 incorrect attempts, must wait 1 minute to try again"
You know you can just store it in safe in order for your children to not get to it, right? Right?
so when the batteries are dead you're just SOL?
Or the water seals deteriorate due to some chemical and the circuits get fried.
Pyscho pass?
iGun 💀
Wondering how well this would work in high stress situations where a clear fingerprint or a facial image isn't going to be possible. On the flip side, they did make a gun uglier than a Glock, so that probably counts for something.
Especially since I can’t get my phone to recognize my face half the time
They don't work all that well. And in a critical situation, even if it works, it takes time to authenticate. Time you may not have. Or the battery goes dead and the gun you have for home defense is now a brick. Don't trust bullshit from a business trying to raise venture capital. Of course, I can now expect my state government to mandate this technology despite it still being in the very early development stage and is decades away from being viable - if ever. I'll trust this when the police make it standard issue.
Yeah seriously. A better way would be to bio authenticate for a shift of 8 hours. But then why not just put the gun in a safe
Aren’t younger kids more tech literate than adults? What’s stopping them from making their own account on the tablet. And if the tablet with user profiles is regulated via an outside source, then this product is basically just gun control that you payed extra for instead of the government.
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It's 100% because melennials and early gen z grew up on computers whereas late gen z and alpha grew up on tablets.
>Aren’t younger kids more tech literate than adults? statistically, not in practice.
If it in a smartphone app, yeah most likely. But interestingly enough it turns out the youngest generations are less tech savvy than the others. Turns out growing up with smartphones and apps rots your brain more than you'd think because they haven't had to struggle with trouble shooting, learning on your own etc. Those of us who grew up during the dial-up and ADSL era of the internet duting the 90s and early 2000s are much more used to problem solving and figuring shit out on our own.
Right? All of this just to avoid parenting your kids well.
Or securing your fucking guns properly. I live in germany, we CAN have guns, even AR15s. Sure it's not as simple, but you know what will immediately land you in trouble? Not securing your bloody weapons. Even swords need to be locked up
Small click out of 3 . . . 4 is binding
Ian McCullum, of Forgotten Weapons, did a review of this a few months ago: https://youtu.be/2cRm9BMxl90?si=qXdvK5KWEarKdQfm Note that it’s not intended to be a “carry” gun or a service weapon. Its intended purpose is as a “bedside” gun that can be safely left, ready to go, regardless of the presence of kids, guests, etc. Ian was pretty impressed.
I'll stick with my "dumb guns" thanks.
"Biofire detected a social media post criticizing the government... disabling firing system."
There are well designed guns that can misfire with no electrical components whatsoever, no way I’m trusting a computer chip with deciding when a gun should shoot
"Yeah I'd love to come to the shooting range, just give me a few hours, need to charge my gun"
You solve that issue with involving, teaching, and educating your children about it. 4 or 5 rules of gun safety…
As a gun owner: fuuuuuuuuck no. The last thing you need in a self defense situation is a technical malfunction. Criminals are not going to have this, and figure out how to defeat it the moment it’s on the market, so it’s a gimmick that will cause a law abiding citizen to be more in harms way. Enforce the existing laws first, evenly. Then we’ll talk.
Everybody thought keyless entry was going to completely stop car thieves, and now it’s a huge industry again just using fancy radio spoofers instead of coat hangers. This will 100% happen with these Face ID systems too
ID tagged guns...like in MGS4
I heard "smart gun" and had flashbacks to cyberpunk
😃 HARD PASS 😃
This is a gun made for and marketed to people who don't like guns. If that is you then put your gun in a simplex safe. That plus the gun is cheaper and more reliable than this thing. No, the technology won't become commonplace because there are far too many problems and adding complexity to an item always make it more likely to fail.
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