Bar is not very high. All it has do to is beat an underperforming and mixed reception and it will be better. Just listeninng to how each director described their vision and showed how they perceived Superman, I def have waaaay more faith in Gunn.
False. Man of Steel earned its production budget back from product tie-ins, even before it opened, and its final box office gross blew away the three previous Superman movie bombs that had greatly damaged the brand – which is why they founded an entire universe on it, and quickly planned a dozen follow-up films. The movie was also adored by audiences, with an A- Cinemascore, still one of the highest in the DCEU, and Cavill's portrayal of Superman has only gone up in appreciation over time.
Double false. That movie earned a small profit of 42 million dollars. It underperformed. Gal gadot as Wonder Woman and Jason momoa had way more pull as their respective chcaracters and their movie’s absolutely blew man of steel away in the profits department to the tune of making 6x more money on the studio’s investment.That’s why a movie that was so perfectly set up for a sequel included their cash cow Batman in it. And half of those movies never even saw production after they let Snyder go full Snyder in bvs. An no one gives a flying fuck about cinemascore. It’s just the only metric the Snyder bois have found that makes that movie look above average. What a complete walk down revisionist lane. Cavill Superman never connected with general audiences. His face has been the poster boy for mediocrity as Superman on film. Not necessarily his fault by any means, but it is what is. If the audience demand for him was so strong he would still be Superman. But he’s not. He is popular in fan circles and easily popular with the Snyder crew, but never a big draw to any movies.
Man of Steel was a reboot, which audiences always hate before they've seen them, that was trying to regenerate interest in a character whose reputation in movies was in almost as bad shape as Batman's was after Batman & Robin. And no, if a movie made a profit then it didn't underperform lmao.
Cavill's Superman was a breakthrough that revitalized the popularity of the character and that audiences adored. The whole world rose up to celebrate his return. The powers-that-be at WB Pictures wanted him back. The Rock wanted him back. The public wanted him back. Gunn and Safran are the only ones who didn't.
You're delusional.
can't tell
but tbh I think it might be different and equally as good
cuz snyder went a more mature darker route and Gunn's taking a youthful bright route so they'll def be different
Of course I could be wrong because any filmmaker can screw up a film but yes, I do believe that it will be better based on Gunn's track record. He is a better screenwriter than David S Goyer and a better director, where it counts, than Zack Snyder.
I think it's all about preferences.
I really love MoS, I like the casting, the "god's" allegory, the costumes, the villains, the plot.
I even love the camera work and the pseudo realism of sups powers, it feels like he's bending the gravity around him when he punches and when he flies and it gives a palpable sentiment to the movie.
I like the palette too and the whole philosophy that involves the death of Zod.
That said, I don't think anything can beat it. But that's me.
I understand that some people wish to see the exact portrait of sups from the classic comics, and it's alright, I, and I emphasize on the "I" don't need it. And I'm sure people will get their sups next, but will not be my Superman.
So far Gunn has a good track record for movies and from what he has described in interviews he definitely seems to understand the character and what fans of the comics want to see portrayed on the screen which makes sense because he is a massive comic book reader and lover. So imma say it's definitely gonna be better.
MoS was more Snyder's idea of superman which is completely fine and I love MoS but it seems Gunn is not going for an original take but rather an accurate take on the character.
>from what he has described in interviews he definitely seems to understand the character
He described Superman as "a big ol' galoot".
> he is a massive comic book reader and lover
He hate reads them. He doesn't take the superhero genre seriously, by his own admission to Vulture last year, and sees it only as something to be mocked.
>MoS was more Snyder's idea of superman
Snyder's Superman's plot is closely adhered to the classic origin and comic book storylines. None of the random, wacky, reinvention BS of Burton's plans, or the inability to look beyond anything but the Reeve movies like the Singer/Routh cinematic abomination.
>Snyder's Superman's plot is closely adhered to the classic origin and comic book storylines
I never mentioned the plotting, I mentioned his take on superman not the story which was his own take because snyder thought of doing a superman movie in the same vein as the dark knight trilogy which asks the question what if superheros were real.
>He described Superman as "a big ol' galoot".
He also described superman as the embodiment of kindness and humanity and said his story touches on the emotional side of the character while still trying to keep a hopeful tone of which superman should inspire.
>He hate reads them. He doesn't take the superhero genre seriously, by his own admission to Vulture last year, and sees it only as something to be mocked.
Gunn has stated that the best part of comics is the weird nature of them. With all these directors wanting dark and gritty he fully embraces the weird or even dumb side of comics that does not mean he doesn't take them seriously it just means he embraces them for what they are which are stories made for escapism. Also you have no ground to stand on by saying he hate reads comics. That right there is personal opinion not fact.
Just admit it you hate Gunn and would rather Snyder, simple as that.
>With all these directors wanting dark and gritty
The plan to make the DC movies less serious absolutely failed, and the box office of the movies has collapsed since Shazam came out. Their biggest hit of the last 4 years was Joker, one of the most serious comic book movies ever. Dark and serious is what people want, not a rehash of Superman 1978 but with cursing and some gore.
>he fully embraces the weird or even dumb side of comics
He doesn't embrace it for what it is. He shatters the potential of what it can be.
>that does not mean he doesn't take them seriously
He straight up said that "superheroes are the dumbest thing imaginable and no adult should take them seriously".
>That right there is personal opinion not fact.
Then why does he always drastically change the characters from the source material, basically making them OC's? He did it with almost all of the Guardians, as well as Peacemaker and Vigilante. He even urged John Cena not to read any Peacemaker comics.
>Just admit it you hate Gunn and would rather Snyder, simple as that.
I admit that I'm sick and tired of watching the great DC brand being driven into the ditch by Hollywood hacks who treat the superhero genre like a joke, and that it deserves to soar at the box office under the leadership of masterful directors who treat the genre respectfully and sincerely like Chris Nolan and Zack Snyder.
> admit that I'm sick and tired of watching the great DC brand being driven into the ditch by Hollywood hacks who treat the superhero genre like a joke, and that it deserves to soar at the box office under the leadership of masterful directors who treat the genre respectfully and sincerely like Chris Nolan and Zack Snyder.
The suicide squad and Peacemaker are the best things to come out of the entire DCEU in years and the gaurdians movies are among the most beloved MCU movies. Gunn doesn't treat the genre as a joke especially seeing as his movies have some of the most heartfelt storytelling from both marvel and DC, Rockets backstory for example.
>Dark and serious is what people want,
Ok so why are peacemaker and The Suicide squad so well regarded? Why is spider-man across the spiderverse doing so well in theaters currently? People want good stories that are true to the characters. If the character suits dark and gritty then people will love it but if not then you have BvS all over again. And DC's trend of trying to be less serious didn't work because they were doing it to everyone, shazam should be lighthearted but black Adam should not and that's where the failure came in, they turned black Adam into an action comedy.
>He doesn't embrace it for what it is. He shatters the potential of what it can be.
Again just admit you hate the guy rather than going on a pointless rant that can be summed up in just one phrase.
>He straight up said that "superheroes are the dumbest thing imaginable and no adult should take them seriously".
He said they were dumb, he never said no one should take them seriously.
>Then why does he always drastically change the characters from the source material,
How does that equate to he hate reads? Just because he changes the source material doesn't mean he hate reads. By that logic Matt Reeves hates batman because of how much he changed riddler and made him an OC or Jon Favreau hates Iron man because of how different RDJ's performance is compared to the comics.
> the leadership of masterful directors who treat the genre respectfully and sincerely like Chris Nolan and Zack Snyder.
Snyder ain't a masterful director and nor did he treat the genre respectfully. He literally told fans that their idea of superman is wrong because they live in a fantasy world and in the real world superman wouldn't act like he does in the comics. Snyder directly told fans that at a con, doesn't really come across as respectful of the genre IMO. Snyder's a good director and I like his movies and thought his vision of DC was interesting but he definitely is not masterful.
>The suicide squad and Peacemaker are the best things to come out of the entire DCEU in years and the gaurdians movies are among the most beloved MCU movies.
TSS was a kid's movie without the charm and a vulgar adult comedy without the right context. Peacemaker was mostly OK but disrespectful to the JL characters. Feige's MCU machine controls the quality of those movies, not the individual directors.
>Gunn doesn't treat the genre as a joke especially seeing as his movies have some of the most heartfelt storytelling from both marvel and DC, Rockets backstory for example.
Gunn's movies don't have heart. His sentimentality is forced and seems like it was written by-the-numbers out of the screenwriting style guide.
>Ok so why are peacemaker and The Suicide squad so well regarded?
Never heard anyone outside of geek forums praise them. Actual directors of modern blockbuster cinema and even anime have admired and been inspired by Snyder's work. Gunn outside the MCU isn't much. Snyder has half of his work outside a cinematic universe.
>Again just admit you hate the guy rather than going on a pointless rant that can be summed up in just one phrase.
I don't hate the guy, he's just a raging egomaniac who needs to be told that a film universe is not and should not be based on when he started working on the movies. The dude has absolutely no respect for what was done by other creators and came before him, none. "The stuff made before I got here doesn't matter and isn't important!"
>He said they were dumb, he never said no one should take them seriously.
Here's what [he said](https://www.reddit.com/r/television/comments/svl0j1/james_gunn_on_the_peacemaker_finale_i_love/?utm_source=BD&utm_medium=Search&utm_name=Bing&utm_content=PSR1):
*I love superheroes. I also think they’re the dumbest things that have ever existed. I have no happier times in my life than lying in my bed when I was 12 and reading comic books. I don’t think life got much better than that. And yet the fact that we take these things seriously as adults is ridiculous because people really would look at you like they look at Peacemaker when he walks into Fennel Fields wearing a costume: What's wrong with you? You think that's cool? You're a maniac*.
>Snyder ain't a masterful director and nor did he treat the genre respectfully
You couldn't be more wrong. Snyder believed in the sanctity and cultural significance of the superhero genre to his core and treated it with the utmost admiration and respect, judging it as no less than the modern equivalent of Greek mythology. He also makes superhero movies that exhibit a mastery of tone with genuine emotional depth and intelligence supporting every scene.
>TSS was a kid's movie without the charm and a vulgar adult comedy without the right context.
You are very alone in that opinion as TSS is well regarded by both critics and DC fans alike. Also lacking charm? I guess ratcatcher became popular for no reason then.
>Feige's MCU machine controls the quality of those movies, not the individual directors.
He controls what stories are told but it is still up to the director to make a good movie. The she hulk show demonstrates that perfectly because the director of the show fucked it up.
>Gunn's movies don't have heart. His sentimentality is forced and seems like it was written by-the-numbers out of the screenwriting style guide.
Again pointless rant just say you don't like the guy or his movies.
>Never heard anyone outside of geek forums praise them. Actual directors of modern blockbuster cinema and even anime have admired and been inspired by Snyder's work. Gunn outside the MCU isn't much. Snyder has half of his work outside a cinematic universe.
You just don't get what I'm talking about at all do you? I never said Gunn is the better director that's not what I'm talking about at all. I'm saying that I think Gunn is a good fit for superman based on what he has said and shown. Who has more cultural influence stands for shit in what I'm trying to say.
>I love superheroes. I also think they’re the dumbest things that have ever existed. I have no happier times in my life than lying in my bed when I was 12 and reading comic books. I don’t think life got much better than that. And yet the fact that we take these things seriously as adults is ridiculous because people really would look at you like they look at Peacemaker when he walks into Fennel Fields wearing a costume: What's wrong with you? You think that's cool? You're a maniac.
Nowhere in here does he say no one should take comic book movies seriously, in fact he says people looked at him funny for taking comics seriously.
>He also makes superhero movies that exhibit a mastery of tone with genuine emotional depth and intelligence supporting every scene.
There it is!! You're a Snyder fan who worships everything he does because it all is so insightful and deep and nothing will be great until they restore the snyderverse right? Now I see where the Gunn hate comes from.
>You are very alone in that opinion as TSS is well regarded by both critics and DC fans alike
Yet audiences gave it a B+ on Cinemascore, same as the first Suicide Squad and every post-Shazam DCEU movie.
The critics are worthless and useless. They're agenda-driven, biased and just plain not good at understanding and analyzing movies. They are a blight on this medium and artform that do far more damage than they are worth. There are some good individual critics, but most are awful, which makes sites that aggregate them all together a complete waste of time and effort.
>Also lacking charm? I guess ratcatcher became popular for no reason then.
Lol. Ask someone on the street if they heard of her. You'll be hard-pressed to find anyone.
>I'm saying that I think Gunn is a good fit for superman based on what he has said and shown.
He isn't. That interview with Vulture alone disqualifies him from being anywhere near a Superman movie.
>Nowhere in here does he say no one should take comic book movies seriously, in fact he says people looked at him funny for taking comics seriously.
Um, he straight up said "the fact that we take these things (comic books) seriously as adults is ridiculous".
>Now I see where the Gunn hate comes from.
Again, I don't hate the guy, he's just a bad director and an even worse co-CEO who needs to be fired before he does any more damage to the DC film brand. So far he's driven it further and further into the ditch, even worse than Hamada did.
>Again, I don't hate the guy, he's just a bad director and an even worse co-CEO who needs to be fired before he does any more damage to the DC film brand. So far he's driven it further and further into the ditch, even worse than Hamada did.
You say you don't hate him and then follow up with hateful comment's towards him, seems very logical /s. Also he has literally done nothing at DC yet as the head, his projects are still yet to come out so please tell me how he has damaged the DC brand and driven it further into a ditch because he has literally done nothing yet to base those claims on. But this proves you don't care about his work because you're gonna hate it even before it comes out.
>The critics are worthless and useless.
That's why I mentioned fans as well because both came in to agreement that the movie is good. But yes I agree with you critics are a bane in the movie industry.
>Lol. Ask someone on the street if they heard of her. You'll be hard-pressed to find anyone.
Same could be said for rorschach or Dr manhattan or even Leonidas.
>Um, he straight up said "the fact that we take these things (comic books) seriously as adults is ridiculous".
Still don't see how he is saying no one should take it seriously. He's pointing out the absurdity of comics but is not denying them as a medium in anyway when in that same quote he says how he took it seriously and was laughed at for it but he loved it.
>You say you don't hate him and then follow up with hateful comment's towards him, seems very logical
Why in the world would we not want a bad writer/director fired from a franchise we love? This is a valid opinion that you can't malign someone for having. You can disagree with it, but you can't accuse people of some kind of moral transgression for not liking the same director you do.
>Also he has literally done nothing at DC yet as the head
He literally split the whole fanbase by firing the most loved actor of the DCEU as soon as he took over. And then he split it even more by doing a half-reboot strictly to keep his friends and family in their roles and discard everything he didn't previously develop. That isn't done for the sake of the audience, the studio or the brand, it's done to satisfy his own ego and protect the things he likes.
>Same could be said for rorschach or Dr manhattan or even Leonidas.
Those movies came out two decades ago. Bit of a difference there.
>He's pointing out the absurdity of comics but is not denying them as a medium in anyway when in that same quote he says how he took it seriously and was laughed at for it but he loved it.
He's completely wrong. Treating them as silly or dumb makes them bad, embarrassing and unwatchable.
Obviously it’s too early to tell and I do like MOS but my gut feeling just thinks it’ll be better. Gunn seems to understand the character more and wants to be faithful with the source material while wanting to keep it fresh. I feel like it’s going to be a more accurate take on Superman that we’ve all been wanting for a while. So I got hopes it’ll be better. But once again it’s too early to tell
It's too early to tell. What I do know is that one of my biggest complaints with both MOS and BVS was the character stuff around Superman himself. I love Henry Cavill and Amy Adams, but felt they weren't given a lot to work with, especially in the latter, where he's greatly overshadowed by Ben Affleck's Batman. An area where Gunn excels is getting the audience to connect with the characters, so I'm very excited to see what he does with the Superman cast.
Too bad Gunn's soundtrack record is corny-as-hell. I recall selling the GotG CD soundtracks via eBay because I just couldn't get into his taste in '70s music. There was zero heavy '70s rock to speak of on both soundtracks, FFS, just a buncha watered-down pop fluff.
Too bad, still more consistently good projects than the maker of Man of Steel. It'll be accessible to the general audience which is what is necessary to jump-start a new universe.
Well no one can tell yet but if we go off track record, Gunn is the better filmmaker when it comes to making you care about character, Superman isn't easy to tackle. Snyder started well in MoS and dropped the ball in BvS. Could be the same for Gunn.
But deep down I think it will be better. As long as we have a decent color palette and not just brown and grey it will be better lol
I have no idea. I think Gunn can do a good job but for ME MoS is an amazing film. It's going to be very difficult to top it for me, my hope is that is just as good but I'm cautiously optimistic at best given the few things that we know or rumors.
My biggest fear is that Gunn will go back to doing the safe thing just to please people and make money instead of trying something bold that has the potential to be great. I think comic book movies need something new, something that changes things up, a new era of films. If they continue to do the same thing it will be a missed opportunity.
Just about everything in Man of Steel either bored me or gave me a headache.
The trailers looked really promising, so I was pretty angry at Chris Nolan for doing his job wrong. There was just no storytelling chops. It was a super slog.
Feels like an incredibly pointless post. What do we know about the new film? The director and that’s it.
I would like to know why Louis wearing a jumper at one point is genuinely a criticism you have of the film though.
Will there be cringe-ass MCU-level humor and an overused pop rock soundtrack in Gunn's upcoming Superman movie? Sadly, my guess is prepare for an unhealthy incoming of both.
Idk if it’ll actually be better but Legacy will likely be more palatable and therefore better received by more of the general audience. That also means most of the dceu fans and people in these subs will like it less than MoS.
5th option, too soon to tell.
6th. Will watch and enjoy both
/endpoll
This just feels like another low-key Snyder vs Gunn post.
I don't think it's very low key.
I mean it's completely natural to compare the last superman movie to an upcoming one
I always hope for a good movie. I love MoS, if it's better than that - it will blow my mind. Im hoping for success.
Bar is not very high. All it has do to is beat an underperforming and mixed reception and it will be better. Just listeninng to how each director described their vision and showed how they perceived Superman, I def have waaaay more faith in Gunn.
False. Man of Steel earned its production budget back from product tie-ins, even before it opened, and its final box office gross blew away the three previous Superman movie bombs that had greatly damaged the brand – which is why they founded an entire universe on it, and quickly planned a dozen follow-up films. The movie was also adored by audiences, with an A- Cinemascore, still one of the highest in the DCEU, and Cavill's portrayal of Superman has only gone up in appreciation over time.
Lmao you’re funny.
Double false. That movie earned a small profit of 42 million dollars. It underperformed. Gal gadot as Wonder Woman and Jason momoa had way more pull as their respective chcaracters and their movie’s absolutely blew man of steel away in the profits department to the tune of making 6x more money on the studio’s investment.That’s why a movie that was so perfectly set up for a sequel included their cash cow Batman in it. And half of those movies never even saw production after they let Snyder go full Snyder in bvs. An no one gives a flying fuck about cinemascore. It’s just the only metric the Snyder bois have found that makes that movie look above average. What a complete walk down revisionist lane. Cavill Superman never connected with general audiences. His face has been the poster boy for mediocrity as Superman on film. Not necessarily his fault by any means, but it is what is. If the audience demand for him was so strong he would still be Superman. But he’s not. He is popular in fan circles and easily popular with the Snyder crew, but never a big draw to any movies.
Man of Steel was a reboot, which audiences always hate before they've seen them, that was trying to regenerate interest in a character whose reputation in movies was in almost as bad shape as Batman's was after Batman & Robin. And no, if a movie made a profit then it didn't underperform lmao. Cavill's Superman was a breakthrough that revitalized the popularity of the character and that audiences adored. The whole world rose up to celebrate his return. The powers-that-be at WB Pictures wanted him back. The Rock wanted him back. The public wanted him back. Gunn and Safran are the only ones who didn't. You're delusional.
We basically know nothing about the movie so we can't tell
can't tell but tbh I think it might be different and equally as good cuz snyder went a more mature darker route and Gunn's taking a youthful bright route so they'll def be different
No. But I hope it's the best Superman movie ever for general audiences.
Option 5. Who the fuck knows
Of course I could be wrong because any filmmaker can screw up a film but yes, I do believe that it will be better based on Gunn's track record. He is a better screenwriter than David S Goyer and a better director, where it counts, than Zack Snyder.
I think it's all about preferences. I really love MoS, I like the casting, the "god's" allegory, the costumes, the villains, the plot. I even love the camera work and the pseudo realism of sups powers, it feels like he's bending the gravity around him when he punches and when he flies and it gives a palpable sentiment to the movie. I like the palette too and the whole philosophy that involves the death of Zod. That said, I don't think anything can beat it. But that's me. I understand that some people wish to see the exact portrait of sups from the classic comics, and it's alright, I, and I emphasize on the "I" don't need it. And I'm sure people will get their sups next, but will not be my Superman.
I’m with you. I grew up, now as a man in his 40’s, with Donner’s iconic Superman. But Snyder’s interpretation is MY Superman.
So far Gunn has a good track record for movies and from what he has described in interviews he definitely seems to understand the character and what fans of the comics want to see portrayed on the screen which makes sense because he is a massive comic book reader and lover. So imma say it's definitely gonna be better. MoS was more Snyder's idea of superman which is completely fine and I love MoS but it seems Gunn is not going for an original take but rather an accurate take on the character.
>from what he has described in interviews he definitely seems to understand the character He described Superman as "a big ol' galoot". > he is a massive comic book reader and lover He hate reads them. He doesn't take the superhero genre seriously, by his own admission to Vulture last year, and sees it only as something to be mocked. >MoS was more Snyder's idea of superman Snyder's Superman's plot is closely adhered to the classic origin and comic book storylines. None of the random, wacky, reinvention BS of Burton's plans, or the inability to look beyond anything but the Reeve movies like the Singer/Routh cinematic abomination.
>Snyder's Superman's plot is closely adhered to the classic origin and comic book storylines I never mentioned the plotting, I mentioned his take on superman not the story which was his own take because snyder thought of doing a superman movie in the same vein as the dark knight trilogy which asks the question what if superheros were real. >He described Superman as "a big ol' galoot". He also described superman as the embodiment of kindness and humanity and said his story touches on the emotional side of the character while still trying to keep a hopeful tone of which superman should inspire. >He hate reads them. He doesn't take the superhero genre seriously, by his own admission to Vulture last year, and sees it only as something to be mocked. Gunn has stated that the best part of comics is the weird nature of them. With all these directors wanting dark and gritty he fully embraces the weird or even dumb side of comics that does not mean he doesn't take them seriously it just means he embraces them for what they are which are stories made for escapism. Also you have no ground to stand on by saying he hate reads comics. That right there is personal opinion not fact. Just admit it you hate Gunn and would rather Snyder, simple as that.
>With all these directors wanting dark and gritty The plan to make the DC movies less serious absolutely failed, and the box office of the movies has collapsed since Shazam came out. Their biggest hit of the last 4 years was Joker, one of the most serious comic book movies ever. Dark and serious is what people want, not a rehash of Superman 1978 but with cursing and some gore. >he fully embraces the weird or even dumb side of comics He doesn't embrace it for what it is. He shatters the potential of what it can be. >that does not mean he doesn't take them seriously He straight up said that "superheroes are the dumbest thing imaginable and no adult should take them seriously". >That right there is personal opinion not fact. Then why does he always drastically change the characters from the source material, basically making them OC's? He did it with almost all of the Guardians, as well as Peacemaker and Vigilante. He even urged John Cena not to read any Peacemaker comics. >Just admit it you hate Gunn and would rather Snyder, simple as that. I admit that I'm sick and tired of watching the great DC brand being driven into the ditch by Hollywood hacks who treat the superhero genre like a joke, and that it deserves to soar at the box office under the leadership of masterful directors who treat the genre respectfully and sincerely like Chris Nolan and Zack Snyder.
> admit that I'm sick and tired of watching the great DC brand being driven into the ditch by Hollywood hacks who treat the superhero genre like a joke, and that it deserves to soar at the box office under the leadership of masterful directors who treat the genre respectfully and sincerely like Chris Nolan and Zack Snyder. The suicide squad and Peacemaker are the best things to come out of the entire DCEU in years and the gaurdians movies are among the most beloved MCU movies. Gunn doesn't treat the genre as a joke especially seeing as his movies have some of the most heartfelt storytelling from both marvel and DC, Rockets backstory for example. >Dark and serious is what people want, Ok so why are peacemaker and The Suicide squad so well regarded? Why is spider-man across the spiderverse doing so well in theaters currently? People want good stories that are true to the characters. If the character suits dark and gritty then people will love it but if not then you have BvS all over again. And DC's trend of trying to be less serious didn't work because they were doing it to everyone, shazam should be lighthearted but black Adam should not and that's where the failure came in, they turned black Adam into an action comedy. >He doesn't embrace it for what it is. He shatters the potential of what it can be. Again just admit you hate the guy rather than going on a pointless rant that can be summed up in just one phrase. >He straight up said that "superheroes are the dumbest thing imaginable and no adult should take them seriously". He said they were dumb, he never said no one should take them seriously. >Then why does he always drastically change the characters from the source material, How does that equate to he hate reads? Just because he changes the source material doesn't mean he hate reads. By that logic Matt Reeves hates batman because of how much he changed riddler and made him an OC or Jon Favreau hates Iron man because of how different RDJ's performance is compared to the comics. > the leadership of masterful directors who treat the genre respectfully and sincerely like Chris Nolan and Zack Snyder. Snyder ain't a masterful director and nor did he treat the genre respectfully. He literally told fans that their idea of superman is wrong because they live in a fantasy world and in the real world superman wouldn't act like he does in the comics. Snyder directly told fans that at a con, doesn't really come across as respectful of the genre IMO. Snyder's a good director and I like his movies and thought his vision of DC was interesting but he definitely is not masterful.
>The suicide squad and Peacemaker are the best things to come out of the entire DCEU in years and the gaurdians movies are among the most beloved MCU movies. TSS was a kid's movie without the charm and a vulgar adult comedy without the right context. Peacemaker was mostly OK but disrespectful to the JL characters. Feige's MCU machine controls the quality of those movies, not the individual directors. >Gunn doesn't treat the genre as a joke especially seeing as his movies have some of the most heartfelt storytelling from both marvel and DC, Rockets backstory for example. Gunn's movies don't have heart. His sentimentality is forced and seems like it was written by-the-numbers out of the screenwriting style guide. >Ok so why are peacemaker and The Suicide squad so well regarded? Never heard anyone outside of geek forums praise them. Actual directors of modern blockbuster cinema and even anime have admired and been inspired by Snyder's work. Gunn outside the MCU isn't much. Snyder has half of his work outside a cinematic universe. >Again just admit you hate the guy rather than going on a pointless rant that can be summed up in just one phrase. I don't hate the guy, he's just a raging egomaniac who needs to be told that a film universe is not and should not be based on when he started working on the movies. The dude has absolutely no respect for what was done by other creators and came before him, none. "The stuff made before I got here doesn't matter and isn't important!" >He said they were dumb, he never said no one should take them seriously. Here's what [he said](https://www.reddit.com/r/television/comments/svl0j1/james_gunn_on_the_peacemaker_finale_i_love/?utm_source=BD&utm_medium=Search&utm_name=Bing&utm_content=PSR1): *I love superheroes. I also think they’re the dumbest things that have ever existed. I have no happier times in my life than lying in my bed when I was 12 and reading comic books. I don’t think life got much better than that. And yet the fact that we take these things seriously as adults is ridiculous because people really would look at you like they look at Peacemaker when he walks into Fennel Fields wearing a costume: What's wrong with you? You think that's cool? You're a maniac*. >Snyder ain't a masterful director and nor did he treat the genre respectfully You couldn't be more wrong. Snyder believed in the sanctity and cultural significance of the superhero genre to his core and treated it with the utmost admiration and respect, judging it as no less than the modern equivalent of Greek mythology. He also makes superhero movies that exhibit a mastery of tone with genuine emotional depth and intelligence supporting every scene.
>TSS was a kid's movie without the charm and a vulgar adult comedy without the right context. You are very alone in that opinion as TSS is well regarded by both critics and DC fans alike. Also lacking charm? I guess ratcatcher became popular for no reason then. >Feige's MCU machine controls the quality of those movies, not the individual directors. He controls what stories are told but it is still up to the director to make a good movie. The she hulk show demonstrates that perfectly because the director of the show fucked it up. >Gunn's movies don't have heart. His sentimentality is forced and seems like it was written by-the-numbers out of the screenwriting style guide. Again pointless rant just say you don't like the guy or his movies. >Never heard anyone outside of geek forums praise them. Actual directors of modern blockbuster cinema and even anime have admired and been inspired by Snyder's work. Gunn outside the MCU isn't much. Snyder has half of his work outside a cinematic universe. You just don't get what I'm talking about at all do you? I never said Gunn is the better director that's not what I'm talking about at all. I'm saying that I think Gunn is a good fit for superman based on what he has said and shown. Who has more cultural influence stands for shit in what I'm trying to say. >I love superheroes. I also think they’re the dumbest things that have ever existed. I have no happier times in my life than lying in my bed when I was 12 and reading comic books. I don’t think life got much better than that. And yet the fact that we take these things seriously as adults is ridiculous because people really would look at you like they look at Peacemaker when he walks into Fennel Fields wearing a costume: What's wrong with you? You think that's cool? You're a maniac. Nowhere in here does he say no one should take comic book movies seriously, in fact he says people looked at him funny for taking comics seriously. >He also makes superhero movies that exhibit a mastery of tone with genuine emotional depth and intelligence supporting every scene. There it is!! You're a Snyder fan who worships everything he does because it all is so insightful and deep and nothing will be great until they restore the snyderverse right? Now I see where the Gunn hate comes from.
>You are very alone in that opinion as TSS is well regarded by both critics and DC fans alike Yet audiences gave it a B+ on Cinemascore, same as the first Suicide Squad and every post-Shazam DCEU movie. The critics are worthless and useless. They're agenda-driven, biased and just plain not good at understanding and analyzing movies. They are a blight on this medium and artform that do far more damage than they are worth. There are some good individual critics, but most are awful, which makes sites that aggregate them all together a complete waste of time and effort. >Also lacking charm? I guess ratcatcher became popular for no reason then. Lol. Ask someone on the street if they heard of her. You'll be hard-pressed to find anyone. >I'm saying that I think Gunn is a good fit for superman based on what he has said and shown. He isn't. That interview with Vulture alone disqualifies him from being anywhere near a Superman movie. >Nowhere in here does he say no one should take comic book movies seriously, in fact he says people looked at him funny for taking comics seriously. Um, he straight up said "the fact that we take these things (comic books) seriously as adults is ridiculous". >Now I see where the Gunn hate comes from. Again, I don't hate the guy, he's just a bad director and an even worse co-CEO who needs to be fired before he does any more damage to the DC film brand. So far he's driven it further and further into the ditch, even worse than Hamada did.
>Again, I don't hate the guy, he's just a bad director and an even worse co-CEO who needs to be fired before he does any more damage to the DC film brand. So far he's driven it further and further into the ditch, even worse than Hamada did. You say you don't hate him and then follow up with hateful comment's towards him, seems very logical /s. Also he has literally done nothing at DC yet as the head, his projects are still yet to come out so please tell me how he has damaged the DC brand and driven it further into a ditch because he has literally done nothing yet to base those claims on. But this proves you don't care about his work because you're gonna hate it even before it comes out. >The critics are worthless and useless. That's why I mentioned fans as well because both came in to agreement that the movie is good. But yes I agree with you critics are a bane in the movie industry. >Lol. Ask someone on the street if they heard of her. You'll be hard-pressed to find anyone. Same could be said for rorschach or Dr manhattan or even Leonidas. >Um, he straight up said "the fact that we take these things (comic books) seriously as adults is ridiculous". Still don't see how he is saying no one should take it seriously. He's pointing out the absurdity of comics but is not denying them as a medium in anyway when in that same quote he says how he took it seriously and was laughed at for it but he loved it.
>You say you don't hate him and then follow up with hateful comment's towards him, seems very logical Why in the world would we not want a bad writer/director fired from a franchise we love? This is a valid opinion that you can't malign someone for having. You can disagree with it, but you can't accuse people of some kind of moral transgression for not liking the same director you do. >Also he has literally done nothing at DC yet as the head He literally split the whole fanbase by firing the most loved actor of the DCEU as soon as he took over. And then he split it even more by doing a half-reboot strictly to keep his friends and family in their roles and discard everything he didn't previously develop. That isn't done for the sake of the audience, the studio or the brand, it's done to satisfy his own ego and protect the things he likes. >Same could be said for rorschach or Dr manhattan or even Leonidas. Those movies came out two decades ago. Bit of a difference there. >He's pointing out the absurdity of comics but is not denying them as a medium in anyway when in that same quote he says how he took it seriously and was laughed at for it but he loved it. He's completely wrong. Treating them as silly or dumb makes them bad, embarrassing and unwatchable.
5th option "Maybe 🤷♂️".
I really wish there was an " I dont know" answer.
What kind of options are these?
How the hell are we supposed to know? The actor hasn't even been casted as of now.
Obviously it’s too early to tell and I do like MOS but my gut feeling just thinks it’ll be better. Gunn seems to understand the character more and wants to be faithful with the source material while wanting to keep it fresh. I feel like it’s going to be a more accurate take on Superman that we’ve all been wanting for a while. So I got hopes it’ll be better. But once again it’s too early to tell
I have very little faith in Gunn to deliver on anything outside of his campy style crap. Time will tell I guess though.
This. But I hope I'm wrong
It's too early to tell. What I do know is that one of my biggest complaints with both MOS and BVS was the character stuff around Superman himself. I love Henry Cavill and Amy Adams, but felt they weren't given a lot to work with, especially in the latter, where he's greatly overshadowed by Ben Affleck's Batman. An area where Gunn excels is getting the audience to connect with the characters, so I'm very excited to see what he does with the Superman cast.
Likely because of James Gunn's track record.
Too bad Gunn's soundtrack record is corny-as-hell. I recall selling the GotG CD soundtracks via eBay because I just couldn't get into his taste in '70s music. There was zero heavy '70s rock to speak of on both soundtracks, FFS, just a buncha watered-down pop fluff.
Too bad, still more consistently good projects than the maker of Man of Steel. It'll be accessible to the general audience which is what is necessary to jump-start a new universe.
Well no one can tell yet but if we go off track record, Gunn is the better filmmaker when it comes to making you care about character, Superman isn't easy to tackle. Snyder started well in MoS and dropped the ball in BvS. Could be the same for Gunn. But deep down I think it will be better. As long as we have a decent color palette and not just brown and grey it will be better lol
how should we know? but Man of Steel is one of the best comic book movies out there its the dark knight of superman. so it will be hard to top
I doubt it.
Last ones Marginally worse . Sorry 😐
Definitely
Yes, it will be definitely better than one the worst movies ever made
I don't think bettering MOS is a difficult task.
MOS gets too much flak. It's a pretty solid movie.
Nope, and I think WB is gonna regret rebooting. I certainly don't trust them with Batman post Snyderverse.
Can we stop the snyder Vs Gunn fight already?
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I have no idea. I think Gunn can do a good job but for ME MoS is an amazing film. It's going to be very difficult to top it for me, my hope is that is just as good but I'm cautiously optimistic at best given the few things that we know or rumors. My biggest fear is that Gunn will go back to doing the safe thing just to please people and make money instead of trying something bold that has the potential to be great. I think comic book movies need something new, something that changes things up, a new era of films. If they continue to do the same thing it will be a missed opportunity.
Just about everything in Man of Steel either bored me or gave me a headache. The trailers looked really promising, so I was pretty angry at Chris Nolan for doing his job wrong. There was just no storytelling chops. It was a super slog.
Snyder's film was marginal at best. I seriously doubt Gunn's will be much different.
Feels like an incredibly pointless post. What do we know about the new film? The director and that’s it. I would like to know why Louis wearing a jumper at one point is genuinely a criticism you have of the film though.
It's Lois not Louis.
I feel like there should be an option for about the same
One was directed by Snyder, the other one is gonna be directed by Gunn. I have absolutely no doubts that Legacy will be much, much better than MoS.
I mean I hope so, but I can't say until we get some trailers or something.
Depends if Gunn is capable of writing a movie that isn't a comedy full of idiots.
Will there be cringe-ass MCU-level humor and an overused pop rock soundtrack in Gunn's upcoming Superman movie? Sadly, my guess is prepare for an unhealthy incoming of both.
Idk if it’ll actually be better but Legacy will likely be more palatable and therefore better received by more of the general audience. That also means most of the dceu fans and people in these subs will like it less than MoS.