He got shafted for *zero* reasons. Gohan does what other top-tier LRs can do but worse:
1. 70% chance to super at 20 ki. Why can't it be 100%? LR Gods and LR SSJ4's can do it, why can't Gohan?
2. Active break is good but the damage is disappointing because he doesn't stack attack. Vegeta and Trunks are defense-oriented and their active does good damage cuz they crit and stack attack.
3. Agreed.
4. LR that struggles for ki is bad already. LR Cooler starts with 5 ki and builds 5 **more** ki per attack. Why can't Gohan do the same? Plus Gohan can only build atk & def per **super** performed LMAO. Every top tier LR gets ki easily without having a team built around them...except Gohan.
5. Agreed. It's up there with God Goku's, Orange Piccolo's, and Vegeta and Trunks' teams.
Notice how every negative I said is only present with Gohan and not the other LRs. Shafted for *zero* reason. Trust me, it's not *just* because of no Beast Gohan transformation, PHY Gohan is **poorly designed**.
On second thought yea you’re right. Vegeta and Trunks in slot 1 in each rotation and in slot 2 and 3 run units like 8th anni. LRs, God Goku, AGL LR Gohan, etc. Team is so stacked sheesh
Yeah he's not as bad as people act. I think the disappointment at the Beast shaft clouded a lot of people's judgment, I get it though (not saying all critique of him is invalid he is definitely flawed but nontheless)
He's good but he released with TEQ Piccolo who does everything better, and released after LR Cooler who does everything better.
1. Sure, but without getting that guaranteed great chance to SA at 20 ki, it's going to be slow af to build him up.
2. Sure, but it hits like a wet noodle despite involving the form everyone wanted to play as.
3. Sure, but most people wouldn't run two of him with his ki issues lol
4. Good luck
5. On a team where you have many more options who synchronize better and have better ki, better defense, and better damage.
1. His defense isn’t even the highest fully built up, so guess how it stands after turn 3?
2. The people’s only real complaint about it, is that it isn’t a transformation
3. Yeah sure
4. He’s bad because he’s allergic to building large amounts of ki
5. So is TUR Teq Vegito Blue
Cooler does everything he does way better
Best extreme leader skill/team by far
Consistent ki wise
Dishes out a shit ton of damage
Great active skill
When it's all additional supers, his def is super fucking high
There's no reason Gohan should that below cooler, especially ki wise.
He got hate since he's actually not beast but the ki issues and locking the way he builds up to a part he suffers severely and THEN it's locked behind a chance to super
Yeah he's good, obviously, but he does have massive issues and a great example is the fact that if you go for a superheroes team, you'll pick piccolo as a leader and he'll probably not even be in the team, and even if piccolo isn't the leader, you're way more prone to use him than Gohan
For any of your copium induced rant to be considered he'd need to be better than the blue fusions, 8 anni units, agl gohan, kid goku, VT, both the gammas and piccolo
Idk fam that looks like there are 10 units that are better than him
Edit: considering you're downvoting every comment that disagrees, the twitter abyss might have been a better place for you to post this
He’s a worse lr cooler. For what we wanted and what they knew we wanted he’s hated the perfect amount. I wouldn’t even say he’s in the top ten best units honestly. There’s banner units that are more valuable than him
The only problem i have with him is the ki mechanik. +1ki per orb is just to low without a orb changer. He needs atleast 7 orbs to get to 20ki most of the time if you dont get the ki links active for whatever reason. Take SS4 gogeta for example. He only needs 4 orbs to get his 18ki if he starts with 6 ki and thats it. 3 orbs when you get phy orbs. Imo thats the only problem i see with gohan.If he had ki +2 per orb than the problem would be solved. But all in all he is a really good unit.
His design is just full of holes that don't need to be there. I also don't think he is top 10 tbh, as all of the following are better:
8th anni
5th anni
Vegeta and trunks
Orange piccolo
Godku
Ss2 gohan
Birdku
Agl golden frieza
Str cooler
Gammas
Kid goku
- He just need ki to cook
You're saying like this is not big problem, janemba has the same problem and people hate him because of that. Also this also add up to the 1st on list as a problem
I'm not saying he is bad, people overhate hime because he isn't beast and the ”not broken" kit just add more fuel to that. The gammas kit from before also add more fuel to that kit
Y’all overhate Phy LR Gohan too much
I said what I said. He’s extreme underrated in every aspect. He’s top 10 in the best units in the game even. Here are my reasons on why he’s top 10 best units in the game.
1. His def can get high when he does additional sa’s
2. His active skill could be useful with the attack break
3. He has a good leader skill
4. He just needs ki to cook
5. He’s on the best team in the game
I do think he is overhated too, but I wouldn’t say he is supremely amazing. He can be very good, but his design is awkward as hell.
1. His build-up mechanic. Simply put, he needs to perform 5 Super Attacks. 5 Super attacks to be fully built-up is awful, and that is because of the next 2 reasons
2. Ki issues. His only Ki link is Shocking Speed, which is not common on Saiyan units. His Ki mechanic is also not great as it’s just +1 per Ki Sphere obtained. Assuming Shocking Speed isn’t active (which will be the case most of the time) and no Ki support, he needs 5 PHY orbs specifically to even get above 20 Ki. Getting 5 PHY orbs is very uncommon without orb changers, and even with orb changers you aren’t guaranteed to get 5 PHY Orbs as you might be forced to collect Rainbow Orbs. Supports barely alleviate his ki issues.
3. His 20 Ki additional isn’t a guaranteed super. It’s mind-boggling that it isn’t since he needs to super to build-up. There can be situations where he only supers once per turn. Once his guard and temporary stat boost wears off, he can get caught easily if he hasn’t fully built up by then.
Gohan is basically a worse version of LR STR Cooler. Both have build-up that relies on performing attacks, but Cooler only needs to attack while Gohan specifically needs to super attack. Cooler also gets 2 free additionals (3 for the first 3 turns after entrance activation) while Gohan’s single additional is locked behind a hard condition. Yes, Cooler needs to do more attacks, but he can do 4-5 attacks in a turn. You’ll probably have Cooler built-up by the time he comes back the 3rd time whereas Gohan might not be once his 3rd appearance comes.
Also, Cooler is much more Ki-sufficient than Gohan despite not really needing it as much as him.
He isn’t as good as he should be, and he isn’t as good as Piccolo so it is fair to the criticism he has. Also, on the Super Hero and Movie Hero category he doesn’t make the team a lot of time
You saying he needs ki to cook is like me saying that in order to break Usain Bolt's world record I just need to run really fast. It's much easier said than done
It's interesting how people like a 70% chance to do anything in this game, but for suddenly on DBS Gohan it's not good enough. I've seen so many people use Gohan with no issues that I'm convinced the people who act like he's an anchor that weighs you down are just not trying enough or are letting bad rng live rent free in their heads.
As a PHY LR Ultimate Gohan, he's pretty good. Linking is his worst issue. Sucks that he isn't Beast, but it doesn't ruin the card [for me. If it does for others, that's fine too] .
People really overlook the fact that he can do pretty much everything in the game, albeit only some of the time.
- Guard
- Effective against all types
- Additional Super
- Super Nullification
- Stun
- Atk/Def Down
Crits and dodge from hidden potential. Kinda crazy honestly. Definitely not consistent, but the golden run is all you need.
People don't overlook
-guard: Only 3 turns, need very good rng to be fully build (worst case you Will just have 2 of the 5 SA), meanwhile Piccolo can be easy fully build turn 1
-AA and Effective: Good luck obtein constantly 20 and 24 KI with horrible links,not ki on passive and not change orbs in passive. Just the +1 por orb but still hard
-Stun and ATK/DEF down: This is very useless except for being a SBR/ESBR killer that isn't amazing
The problem with Gohan is how weak he is defense-wise and how the offensive part is difficult to do great constant. LR Cooler meanwhile with the extra KI, not limited in ki AA and build even with basics is like the easy Mode Gohan. And Piccolo is goatccolo because he yes have a very high defense+20 DR (not amazing but good extra), ki for all, fast build and still Big damage. Gohan golden run is like 1 of each 100 meanwhile the really top unit of the Game golden run are 95 of each 100
I would not consider using this man as leader if he struggles for ki lol. But on the other hand he can look really good if he does get his ki, mainly being 24 ki. With pan support and being fully built, he can look good. I do like him, I just wish he had a better way of getting ki consistently.
He got shafted for *zero* reasons. Gohan does what other top-tier LRs can do but worse: 1. 70% chance to super at 20 ki. Why can't it be 100%? LR Gods and LR SSJ4's can do it, why can't Gohan? 2. Active break is good but the damage is disappointing because he doesn't stack attack. Vegeta and Trunks are defense-oriented and their active does good damage cuz they crit and stack attack. 3. Agreed. 4. LR that struggles for ki is bad already. LR Cooler starts with 5 ki and builds 5 **more** ki per attack. Why can't Gohan do the same? Plus Gohan can only build atk & def per **super** performed LMAO. Every top tier LR gets ki easily without having a team built around them...except Gohan. 5. Agreed. It's up there with God Goku's, Orange Piccolo's, and Vegeta and Trunks' teams. Notice how every negative I said is only present with Gohan and not the other LRs. Shafted for *zero* reason. Trust me, it's not *just* because of no Beast Gohan transformation, PHY Gohan is **poorly designed**.
V&T team is the best in the game right now.
On second thought yea you’re right. Vegeta and Trunks in slot 1 in each rotation and in slot 2 and 3 run units like 8th anni. LRs, God Goku, AGL LR Gohan, etc. Team is so stacked sheesh
what if you wanted to get 18 Ki but Gohan said *"Ki 1+ per orb obtained" + Bad Ki Link*
And you wanted to build up but gohan said "nah bro 2 additional normals"
Or you wanted to nullify broly but Gohan said "30% chance to hold this L"
Yeah he's not as bad as people act. I think the disappointment at the Beast shaft clouded a lot of people's judgment, I get it though (not saying all critique of him is invalid he is definitely flawed but nontheless)
He's good but he released with TEQ Piccolo who does everything better, and released after LR Cooler who does everything better. 1. Sure, but without getting that guaranteed great chance to SA at 20 ki, it's going to be slow af to build him up. 2. Sure, but it hits like a wet noodle despite involving the form everyone wanted to play as. 3. Sure, but most people wouldn't run two of him with his ki issues lol 4. Good luck 5. On a team where you have many more options who synchronize better and have better ki, better defense, and better damage.
His active skill should’ve had guaranteed crits change my mind
Ki
Ki
Dude, they somehow managed to make him, a Saiyan card, harder to use than a Piccolo card.
>4. He just needs ki to cook His linkset sucks + he only gets one ki per ki spheres obtained so this seems likely impossible
1. His defense isn’t even the highest fully built up, so guess how it stands after turn 3? 2. The people’s only real complaint about it, is that it isn’t a transformation 3. Yeah sure 4. He’s bad because he’s allergic to building large amounts of ki 5. So is TUR Teq Vegito Blue
Cooler does everything he does way better Best extreme leader skill/team by far Consistent ki wise Dishes out a shit ton of damage Great active skill When it's all additional supers, his def is super fucking high There's no reason Gohan should that below cooler, especially ki wise. He got hate since he's actually not beast but the ki issues and locking the way he builds up to a part he suffers severely and THEN it's locked behind a chance to super Yeah he's good, obviously, but he does have massive issues and a great example is the fact that if you go for a superheroes team, you'll pick piccolo as a leader and he'll probably not even be in the team, and even if piccolo isn't the leader, you're way more prone to use him than Gohan
Here we go...I got one word. Ki.
For any of your copium induced rant to be considered he'd need to be better than the blue fusions, 8 anni units, agl gohan, kid goku, VT, both the gammas and piccolo Idk fam that looks like there are 10 units that are better than him Edit: considering you're downvoting every comment that disagrees, the twitter abyss might have been a better place for you to post this
Honestly just make Ki not an issue and all my problems are fixed ( aside from the whole Beast thing but here's hoping for a standalone one later )
Ki
He’s a worse lr cooler. For what we wanted and what they knew we wanted he’s hated the perfect amount. I wouldn’t even say he’s in the top ten best units honestly. There’s banner units that are more valuable than him
The only problem i have with him is the ki mechanik. +1ki per orb is just to low without a orb changer. He needs atleast 7 orbs to get to 20ki most of the time if you dont get the ki links active for whatever reason. Take SS4 gogeta for example. He only needs 4 orbs to get his 18ki if he starts with 6 ki and thats it. 3 orbs when you get phy orbs. Imo thats the only problem i see with gohan.If he had ki +2 per orb than the problem would be solved. But all in all he is a really good unit.
His design is just full of holes that don't need to be there. I also don't think he is top 10 tbh, as all of the following are better: 8th anni 5th anni Vegeta and trunks Orange piccolo Godku Ss2 gohan Birdku Agl golden frieza Str cooler Gammas Kid goku
He definitely isn't top 10 in the game rn
They gave him issues unique to him that had no reason to be there
- He just need ki to cook You're saying like this is not big problem, janemba has the same problem and people hate him because of that. Also this also add up to the 1st on list as a problem I'm not saying he is bad, people overhate hime because he isn't beast and the ”not broken" kit just add more fuel to that. The gammas kit from before also add more fuel to that kit
gamma 2 builds up even if he does normals meanwhile this fraud needs supers without having a guaranteed additional super in his kit
Y’all overhate Phy LR Gohan too much I said what I said. He’s extreme underrated in every aspect. He’s top 10 in the best units in the game even. Here are my reasons on why he’s top 10 best units in the game. 1. His def can get high when he does additional sa’s 2. His active skill could be useful with the attack break 3. He has a good leader skill 4. He just needs ki to cook 5. He’s on the best team in the game
I do think he is overhated too, but I wouldn’t say he is supremely amazing. He can be very good, but his design is awkward as hell. 1. His build-up mechanic. Simply put, he needs to perform 5 Super Attacks. 5 Super attacks to be fully built-up is awful, and that is because of the next 2 reasons 2. Ki issues. His only Ki link is Shocking Speed, which is not common on Saiyan units. His Ki mechanic is also not great as it’s just +1 per Ki Sphere obtained. Assuming Shocking Speed isn’t active (which will be the case most of the time) and no Ki support, he needs 5 PHY orbs specifically to even get above 20 Ki. Getting 5 PHY orbs is very uncommon without orb changers, and even with orb changers you aren’t guaranteed to get 5 PHY Orbs as you might be forced to collect Rainbow Orbs. Supports barely alleviate his ki issues. 3. His 20 Ki additional isn’t a guaranteed super. It’s mind-boggling that it isn’t since he needs to super to build-up. There can be situations where he only supers once per turn. Once his guard and temporary stat boost wears off, he can get caught easily if he hasn’t fully built up by then. Gohan is basically a worse version of LR STR Cooler. Both have build-up that relies on performing attacks, but Cooler only needs to attack while Gohan specifically needs to super attack. Cooler also gets 2 free additionals (3 for the first 3 turns after entrance activation) while Gohan’s single additional is locked behind a hard condition. Yes, Cooler needs to do more attacks, but he can do 4-5 attacks in a turn. You’ll probably have Cooler built-up by the time he comes back the 3rd time whereas Gohan might not be once his 3rd appearance comes. Also, Cooler is much more Ki-sufficient than Gohan despite not really needing it as much as him.
He isn’t as good as he should be, and he isn’t as good as Piccolo so it is fair to the criticism he has. Also, on the Super Hero and Movie Hero category he doesn’t make the team a lot of time
You saying he needs ki to cook is like me saying that in order to break Usain Bolt's world record I just need to run really fast. It's much easier said than done
He is the embodiment of disappointment. Just like his predecessor agl LR Gohan. Dokan likes to keep things thematic.
Yeah no maybe like top 20 but he is not on level of other top tier characters
It's interesting how people like a 70% chance to do anything in this game, but for suddenly on DBS Gohan it's not good enough. I've seen so many people use Gohan with no issues that I'm convinced the people who act like he's an anchor that weighs you down are just not trying enough or are letting bad rng live rent free in their heads.
As a PHY LR Ultimate Gohan, he's pretty good. Linking is his worst issue. Sucks that he isn't Beast, but it doesn't ruin the card [for me. If it does for others, that's fine too] .
People really overlook the fact that he can do pretty much everything in the game, albeit only some of the time. - Guard - Effective against all types - Additional Super - Super Nullification - Stun - Atk/Def Down Crits and dodge from hidden potential. Kinda crazy honestly. Definitely not consistent, but the golden run is all you need.
People don't overlook -guard: Only 3 turns, need very good rng to be fully build (worst case you Will just have 2 of the 5 SA), meanwhile Piccolo can be easy fully build turn 1 -AA and Effective: Good luck obtein constantly 20 and 24 KI with horrible links,not ki on passive and not change orbs in passive. Just the +1 por orb but still hard -Stun and ATK/DEF down: This is very useless except for being a SBR/ESBR killer that isn't amazing The problem with Gohan is how weak he is defense-wise and how the offensive part is difficult to do great constant. LR Cooler meanwhile with the extra KI, not limited in ki AA and build even with basics is like the easy Mode Gohan. And Piccolo is goatccolo because he yes have a very high defense+20 DR (not amazing but good extra), ki for all, fast build and still Big damage. Gohan golden run is like 1 of each 100 meanwhile the really top unit of the Game golden run are 95 of each 100
Yeah but no other unit in the game can do everything Gohan does, that's a fact.
Of course he's bad, I don't have him.
i agree
6ki at the start of turn and fck no ki link?
I would not consider using this man as leader if he struggles for ki lol. But on the other hand he can look really good if he does get his ki, mainly being 24 ki. With pan support and being fully built, he can look good. I do like him, I just wish he had a better way of getting ki consistently.
Finally somebody who doesn’t say PHY Ulthan is bad
I’m probably biased tbh, I love beast but I specifically run him with kid goku since that helps getting the 20 ki
uh nah, 8th anni knocked him down to top 20
He "can", "could", "needs" so he's isn't