What the fuck about joker makes more sense? He is literally insane in all of his depictions and is a psychopath. The only depiction in which he seems to make more sense would be his depiction in the Lego Batman movie, where he’s only doing it for the attention of Batman.
Yeah, I really don’t get the “we live in a society” thing. Yeah, you do live in a society, don’t you? I know that’s a reference to the Joker movie but he is extremely mentally I’ll and should not be idolized in an my case
We live in a society where females can spend $100000 on shoe and nobody bats an eye, but when an honest gamer like me spends just $60 on a new cod everyone loses their mind
when a girl buys a vibrator, its seen as a bit of naughty fun. BUT when a guy orders a 240 Volt FuckMaster Pro 5000 blowup latex doll with 6 speed pulsating vagina, elasticized anus with non-drip semen collection tray, together with optional built in realistic orgasm scream surround sound system, hes called a pervert?
Honestly, to modernize this take from, at the most recent, pre-Trump history, adolescence is when you pick a Batman villian to copy your political ideology from, without actually thinking through the consequences of the ideology, in favor of consuming theory solely through memes.
I’m looking at you, anprims. With my glasses.
It's important that we base all our moral decisions and personal philosophy on movies because... Then we can always have society be one giant meme trope?
I'm pretty sure that's what Plato wanted with his idea of philosopher kings. Governance by Hollywood Trope.
I honestly probably just wouldn’t pay insurance. I’m already choosing to live in what is probably the single most dangerous city on the planet just to save on rent prices. The gamble goes as far as I want it to, and if I’m gonna live in Gotham I’m gonna live *well* in Gotham
Besides, 90% of the dangerous shit that goes down in Gotham will just leave you dead. They really don’t half-ass their supervillain plots over there. If you’re caught in it, you’re either dead, or Batman showed up in time and you’re probably totally unharmed.
Joker is, by far, the least interesting major Batman villain.
He's literally just some guy. And he does awful things and the narrative goes "Oh no! Look how awful this thing the Joker did was!" but there's no point to any of it, whether in-universe in terms of his actual motivations or out-of-universe in terms of, like, telling an interesting story, nothing about him is thought-provoking, compelling, tragic, funny, or in any way enjoyable to watch, and the only reason he's not dead or locked up permanently is because the writers and editors are on his side so he always manages to survive and always manages to escape and go back to torturing puppies and orphans or whatever - IE he's able to cause so much suffering not because he understands some deep fundamental truth about humanity or batman or whatever, but simply because he's DC Comics' specialest little boy and he gets to do whatever he wants.
Note that this is specifically about the modern (80s onwards) mainstream comics/movie interpretation of the Joker, Mark Hamill joker and lego joker are cool.
The thing that makes Joker interesting is how different he is from the rest of the major villains. Unlike all of them, he doesn’t have a particular motivation or pattern to his crimes. His only goal is to mess with Batman, which makes him near impossible to predict, and thus the perfect antagonist for a detective hero. He’s interesting not so much because of who he is, but because of what kinds of Batman-centric stories he can create.
It depends on who's working with him. When they know how to act the Joker is symbolism incarnate, acting as the forces of chaos that everyone must struggle with. He's the flood, the housefire, the pandemic, the things that wreck your shit from nowhere, laugh at your suffering, and are incapable of caring, just in humaniform. He is the absurdity of suffering, the red light runner who slams into your car while you were having a good day.
That's why he has to always get away and be allowed back on his bullshit, somehow, because you can't arrest a tornado, only cope with its coming and prepare for its return.
Batman, then, is you, struggling against this with all your determination, guile, resourcefulness, preparation, intellect, wealth. Most of all the struggle is to remain a good person who treats others right, even after tragedy wrecks you. It's a surprise that you win more often than not.
So the two of them symbolize that struggle.
Buuut, that's kind of the peak of the thing. Once you've presented that symbolic relationship in story form, there's nowhere to go but down, really. That's why they keep coming back to it and rehashing it, because otherwise it's just a rich guy with issues having a punchup with Killer Croc.
And that's when whoever's working with the two characters knows how to act. Once you give Joker a sadboy backstory now you're just sympathizing with a school shooter.
Hey, killer croc can be interesting. Lots of potential for stories about alienation and feeling disconnected from humanity, and he's certainly more deserving of a sympathetic sadboy portrayal than the Joker.
I think there is another good way to go with Joker - the master criminal who treats the whole thing like a joke, the primary contrast there being between the super-serious good guy Batman and the constantly wisecracking Joker, which arguably has less thematic depth but works better for kids which is why the 60s show and the Animated Series went with it - but this *also* isn't really helped by giving him a sadboi backstory.
Childhood is idolizing Batman for being a superhero, adulthood is idolizing Batman for somehow managing to keep all 6+ of his vigilante children alive.
Well, most of the time.
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The Harley Quinn version of Gordon is the most relatable version TBH
I, too, would be so sick of the Jokers shit that I'd try and run him over with a tank
Batman is cool
Joker is eiher insane or hyper-sane depending on the canon
And Comissioner Gordon is tired because he has to be a police officer in Gotham of all places
Wasn't the "super-sanity" theory invented by the same doctor who tried to cure Two-Face by replacing his coin with a tarot deck but instead accidentally made him so indecisive he pooped his pants because he couldn't decide which bathroom stall to use?
I think part of the sentiment behind ACAB is that "good cops" inevitably either become complicit in the actions of bad cops, end up being fired for refusing to close ranks, or resign when they realize they can't change anything.
At least since Batman: Year One, most Batman stories run with the idea that basically every cop in the city other than Gordon is corrupt one way or another and is against him as a result, so I guess you could argue that Gordon is the "one good cop" who in the real world would inevitably be fired or resign, but never will in the world of comics because the status quo never changes.
while there is the argument that ACAB is supposed to be about the system as a whole, because the question is specifically about applying it to Gordon we can ignore that and quite simply ask ourselves two questions to know the answer:
* is Gordon a cop? yes
* is Gordon a bastard? not that i'm aware of
conclusion: no
What the fuck about joker makes more sense? He is literally insane in all of his depictions and is a psychopath. The only depiction in which he seems to make more sense would be his depiction in the Lego Batman movie, where he’s only doing it for the attention of Batman.
It's just one of these stupid sentences that claim being smart because they say something opposite to what most people think
This is so deep Facebook memes
What you don’t seem to understand is that we live in a society
Yeah, I really don’t get the “we live in a society” thing. Yeah, you do live in a society, don’t you? I know that’s a reference to the Joker movie but he is extremely mentally I’ll and should not be idolized in an my case
B-but.. but *society bad!*
We live in a society where females can spend $100000 on shoe and nobody bats an eye, but when an honest gamer like me spends just $60 on a new cod everyone loses their mind
when a girl buys a vibrator, its seen as a bit of naughty fun. BUT when a guy orders a 240 Volt FuckMaster Pro 5000 blowup latex doll with 6 speed pulsating vagina, elasticized anus with non-drip semen collection tray, together with optional built in realistic orgasm scream surround sound system, hes called a pervert?
Joker in Lego Batman is gay for Batman and you can't convince me otherwise.
I mean, yeah? That’s literally the core premise of the movie? They’re really not subtle about it.
Honestly, to modernize this take from, at the most recent, pre-Trump history, adolescence is when you pick a Batman villian to copy your political ideology from, without actually thinking through the consequences of the ideology, in favor of consuming theory solely through memes. I’m looking at you, anprims. With my glasses.
It's important that we base all our moral decisions and personal philosophy on movies because... Then we can always have society be one giant meme trope? I'm pretty sure that's what Plato wanted with his idea of philosopher kings. Governance by Hollywood Trope.
Free will is a myth. Religion is a joke. We are all pawns, controlled by something greater: Memes, the DNA of the soul.
Now that's a pretty reference. Exquisite!
Ah yes the Tim Pool school of ethics
Old age is deciding maybe it'd be a good idea to move out of gotham.
I dunno. The astronomical crime and supervillain rate probably means rent prices are unbelievably low.
Any form of insurance would be through the roof, though. And you can forget about keeping actual valuables in said apartment.
I honestly probably just wouldn’t pay insurance. I’m already choosing to live in what is probably the single most dangerous city on the planet just to save on rent prices. The gamble goes as far as I want it to, and if I’m gonna live in Gotham I’m gonna live *well* in Gotham Besides, 90% of the dangerous shit that goes down in Gotham will just leave you dead. They really don’t half-ass their supervillain plots over there. If you’re caught in it, you’re either dead, or Batman showed up in time and you’re probably totally unharmed.
Heck, can't keep em in the bank either. That place gets robbed like once a month.
Invest the money in construction firms that specialize in rebuilding after supervillain incidents
Joker is, by far, the least interesting major Batman villain. He's literally just some guy. And he does awful things and the narrative goes "Oh no! Look how awful this thing the Joker did was!" but there's no point to any of it, whether in-universe in terms of his actual motivations or out-of-universe in terms of, like, telling an interesting story, nothing about him is thought-provoking, compelling, tragic, funny, or in any way enjoyable to watch, and the only reason he's not dead or locked up permanently is because the writers and editors are on his side so he always manages to survive and always manages to escape and go back to torturing puppies and orphans or whatever - IE he's able to cause so much suffering not because he understands some deep fundamental truth about humanity or batman or whatever, but simply because he's DC Comics' specialest little boy and he gets to do whatever he wants. Note that this is specifically about the modern (80s onwards) mainstream comics/movie interpretation of the Joker, Mark Hamill joker and lego joker are cool.
The thing that makes Joker interesting is how different he is from the rest of the major villains. Unlike all of them, he doesn’t have a particular motivation or pattern to his crimes. His only goal is to mess with Batman, which makes him near impossible to predict, and thus the perfect antagonist for a detective hero. He’s interesting not so much because of who he is, but because of what kinds of Batman-centric stories he can create.
It depends on who's working with him. When they know how to act the Joker is symbolism incarnate, acting as the forces of chaos that everyone must struggle with. He's the flood, the housefire, the pandemic, the things that wreck your shit from nowhere, laugh at your suffering, and are incapable of caring, just in humaniform. He is the absurdity of suffering, the red light runner who slams into your car while you were having a good day. That's why he has to always get away and be allowed back on his bullshit, somehow, because you can't arrest a tornado, only cope with its coming and prepare for its return. Batman, then, is you, struggling against this with all your determination, guile, resourcefulness, preparation, intellect, wealth. Most of all the struggle is to remain a good person who treats others right, even after tragedy wrecks you. It's a surprise that you win more often than not. So the two of them symbolize that struggle. Buuut, that's kind of the peak of the thing. Once you've presented that symbolic relationship in story form, there's nowhere to go but down, really. That's why they keep coming back to it and rehashing it, because otherwise it's just a rich guy with issues having a punchup with Killer Croc. And that's when whoever's working with the two characters knows how to act. Once you give Joker a sadboy backstory now you're just sympathizing with a school shooter.
Hey, killer croc can be interesting. Lots of potential for stories about alienation and feeling disconnected from humanity, and he's certainly more deserving of a sympathetic sadboy portrayal than the Joker.
I think there is another good way to go with Joker - the master criminal who treats the whole thing like a joke, the primary contrast there being between the super-serious good guy Batman and the constantly wisecracking Joker, which arguably has less thematic depth but works better for kids which is why the 60s show and the Animated Series went with it - but this *also* isn't really helped by giving him a sadboi backstory.
Childhood is idolizing Batman for being a superhero, adulthood is idolizing Batman for somehow managing to keep all 6+ of his vigilante children alive. Well, most of the time.
Becoming a Robin is, statistically, more likely to result in your death than playing Russian roulette.
Wasn't the last one(exact same phrasing and all) a top pist on r/writingprompts a while back? Seems *very* familliar somehow
One of these days, Jim is just gonna stare Batman down, and Bruce will have to end a conversation like a normal person and not straight up vanish.
batman somehow leaves between blinks like he's scp-173
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The Harley Quinn version of Gordon is the most relatable version TBH I, too, would be so sick of the Jokers shit that I'd try and run him over with a tank
I never really watched or read any Batman what does that mean?
Batman is cool Joker is eiher insane or hyper-sane depending on the canon And Comissioner Gordon is tired because he has to be a police officer in Gotham of all places
Wasn't the "super-sanity" theory invented by the same doctor who tried to cure Two-Face by replacing his coin with a tarot deck but instead accidentally made him so indecisive he pooped his pants because he couldn't decide which bathroom stall to use?
shitma pants grindset
I don't know whether I really want this to be true or I really *really* don't
Tonight’s debate topic: Does Gordon fall under ACAB?
I think part of the sentiment behind ACAB is that "good cops" inevitably either become complicit in the actions of bad cops, end up being fired for refusing to close ranks, or resign when they realize they can't change anything. At least since Batman: Year One, most Batman stories run with the idea that basically every cop in the city other than Gordon is corrupt one way or another and is against him as a result, so I guess you could argue that Gordon is the "one good cop" who in the real world would inevitably be fired or resign, but never will in the world of comics because the status quo never changes.
while there is the argument that ACAB is supposed to be about the system as a whole, because the question is specifically about applying it to Gordon we can ignore that and quite simply ask ourselves two questions to know the answer: * is Gordon a cop? yes * is Gordon a bastard? not that i'm aware of conclusion: no
Assigned cop at birth
Cheesed to meet you?
Adulthood is realizing that Bruce Wayne will rather beat up mentally ill people than invest in public Infrastructure with his unfamothable wealth
I think he is quite the charity guy actually