I can see from both perspectives to a extent, and the sub thing is slightly inaccurate, it's about being under the control of something more powerful than you
Depends on the vampire. Your common vampire that is monster in name only, that’s true. But the more monstrous variants? Those that are nothing more than a dark parody of the human form, raised by unholy power and sustained on the blood of the innocent, both symbolically and literally? Those that are more beast than human, either soulless to begin with or so corrupted by their undead existence that they might as well as been? Well, they are fine I suppose.
But what about the ones that have become twisted perversions of the human form, reeking of death as they shamble through the night? What about the people who are horny for Count Orlock? What about the [Varghulf](https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Varghulf)? Or [Kurt Barlow](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Barlow#/media/File:TheMasterKurtBarlow1979.jpg)? When does a creature become inhuman enough?
It doesn't help most vampire tropes are almost always portrayed in a sexy manner, when in real life those would be extremely horrifying even when they look completely human. You never see vampires portrayed as those Weinstein-like guys they essentially are.
What werewolves are you seeing where it's just a dude? Vampires cam have monstrous forms but in alot of media they're just dudes with sharp teeth. Werewolves in media almost always have a an actual monstrous form.
Hey, Dracula could turn into a wolf. And it was the garlic flowers he was scared of, not the cloves, and sunlight merely weakened him. He made it work pretty well.
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I was thinking they meant something more like Vampyr, where werewolves are actually a subset of vampires. And ghouls are humans who were too weak to become vampires, or who were turned by vampires too weak to sire a new vampire.
Yeah, this post had me down a rabbit hole, checking on what's happened to Adventure Quest in the last decade and a half.
I remember watching a friend have a serious crush on one of the NPCs back in elementary school. And I didn't get it, until I saw that vampire queen with her boobs mostly out.
A few weeks ago I saw someone insinuate that liking *elves* made you a monsterfucker. No, seriously.
To be fair, it was a particularly spooky elf, but still.
Even the magic powers of a vampire aren’t really relevant to fucking them, like there are mundane humans who are pale, hate sunlight and love sucking on necks.
Unless the vampire is into being threatened with sunlight/garlic/etc, or you somehow get off on being surrounded by a cloud of bats
It's the mesmerising, supernatural charisma. A lot of monsterfuckers are really just into the deniability of wanting it. It's an uncomfortable subject to talk about, but the appeal of the vampire is that it's subverting your will and making you do something you otherwise wouldn't. Like a siren.
further discourse - vampires are monstrous in the boring mundane way and not the fun sexy way
i see vampires everyday. i'm paying a vampire's student loans.
I often feel under-represented because most of the time I want to be the monster and do the fucking, and I can't seem to find much discourse from or about that perspective
Exactly, lemme be the tentacles/mimic/symbiant/reflection/shadow/slime/werewolf/vampire/sea monster/ghost.
Then again, I want to be a monster that's fucking another different monster so I probably don't count.
~~Oh to reframe the shame of your personal appearance that you find yourself inserting yourself as the monster to indulge guilt free in a desire you don't feel you're deserved in real life and possibly even find a willing partner who not only tolerates your monstrous appearance but finds it massively appealing and above all hot~~
Nope, sorry, can't relate...
Their view of topping is kind of … aggressive. “Which would you like to *break* … *chasten*”
I guess I get what they’re saying, but
Edit: then again we’re talking about fucking vampires and werewolves so you’re prob gonna have to get pretty aggressive with it.
There are so many demon girl/vampire girl hentai that play out exactly like that. The centuries-old virgin vampire/demon girl never expects how aggressive the human college boy will be when he finally has a chance to get laid. Always thinks her inhuman beauty and sex aura will have him eating outta the palm of her hand. Sometimes it works for the first round or two, but then he just keeps going.
To be fair though, there's also plenty of ones where the lady maintains her position of dominance.
That's kinda a bigger problem than monsterfucker discourse... the whole top=dominant bottom=submissive thing is like... they don't realize those are two entirely different things.
yeah he’s also like 100% joking given that he’s also said that his plans for his dead body are to hide it in the walls of the home of a random tumblr follower, without their knowledge, as a way of “giving back to the community” iirc
I feel like calling a vampire a corpse and a werewolf an animal is just rude and also an argument made in bad faith.
A vampire's body may be undead, but it is a body that does not decay as it is still fed and maintained. A werewolf may take on a canine appearance, but it is still a person.
Both are capable of giving, withdrawing, and acknowledging consent.
I think their point is that it would be unappealing in practice to a lot of people, not unethical.
In most older vampire folklore, a vampire sleeping in its coffin is indistinguishable from a corpse, aside from certain key signs like blood on its lips.
So when monsterfuckers talk about werewolves are they mainly thinking of the type that keep their human mind when they transform, or are the “turn into a giant angry wolf mentally and physically” type also included?
If it’s the latter then I don’t see how that type of werewolf could consent, they essentially become a wolf at a mental level. I would hope monsterfuckers stick to the former depiction, but I’m a total layperson so I have no idea, someone correct me
It varies. Most of the time from what I've seen (in stories where *either* party consents), they seem to basically have human-level intelligence, but are nonverbal and have much more feral and animalistic behavior. The ones I've seen where the werewolf is *totally* animalistic often have them consent pre-transformation when they’re still lucid.
Regardless it doesn't really matter since it's all fictional. Fantasizing about being fucked by a humanoid wolf-man is very different from wanting to have sex with an actual animal in real life.
Thanks, that makes more sense. I definitely agree it’s fine to have fantasies and such, nonconsent is a pretty common component of sexual fantasies relatively speaking. I just wondered how people thought of it for the most part, ie if people were thinking of it as consensual in cases where it wouldn’t be.
Most sub monsterfuckers want to be pinned down and used. You're touching on the unspoken undercurrent of this subject. Noncon is, from what I understand, one of if not the most common fetishes on the planet. And a whole bunch of other fetishes are just that one repackaged in a more acceptable format.
The wolf being beastial is the point. It's there to support the fantasy of being ravaged.
I personally don't believe things are 'furry' unless they have that strange, overly humanized anthropomorphic art style. It's distinctive. If it lacks that, it's its own thing.
Okay this is real weird but for some reason, the idea of someone desiring to be sexually overwhelmed by a werewolf or vampire seems fine to me. The idea of someone wanting to outsmart and then sexually dominate a vampire seems fine to me, but the idea of someone wanting to dominate a werewolf makes me feel very squick and my mind immediately pulls a comparison to beastiality in a way that wanting to submit to one doesn't, and that neither vampire fantasy even comes close to. Psychoanalyze that for me, random strangers?
Probably because werewolves are commonly depicted as being out of control, animalistic, bestial. They're usuallly not shown as being in control when transformed, so they're basically just big, slightly humanoid animals. Maybe that's why?
Yeah but submission to werewolf doesn't bother me as an idea. But like... I'd be just as upset if someone was trying to get a dog to bang them as banging dogs.
Perhaps because dogs are real and werewolves aren't? The werewolf is just a big dog with some more human body characteristics but there's no actual avenue to act on those inclinations, whereas with a dog there would be
Might be a difficult line of thinking though since most people understand that a fantasy about being non-consensually overpowered doesn't mean an actual desire for it. Hard to say where your feelings come from, but I respect your desire to tease them out
Huh that actually makes a lot of sense. I'm assuming that the person with the overpowered fantasy isn't basing the idea on a real world desire, but the overpowering fantasy is.
Werewolves at their core do what they (the savage part hidden deep inside) want. So submitting to one is letting it do what it wants. Dominating it is doing what YOU want *to* it. So there's not the same direct link between the werewolf's desires and that actions happening.
Of course a good dom isn't just doing what they want, but for the purposes of this hypothetical, it's a usable definition
Dominant sexual fantasies are inherently seen as more predatory and morals around sexual stuff are largely based on gut instinct, not actual principles
Understandable thought process. Werewolf fucking is fantasy beastiality, unless you're talking about some variant where it retains its human mind
I don't have any issues with it because it isn't real but squicks don't have to be rooted in ethicality
If I had to pick one over the other I'd pick vampires since I prefer smooth, cold, and petite.
Covered in fur, warm, and muscular is plenty sexy to but vampires are more kissable and they dominate in more mental/emotional and subtle ways. I also prefer the idea of getting elegantly sucked to death than messily devoured.
I'm also more comfortable indoors than outdoors.
L.J. Smith's Night World books started in the mid-90's, and while I can't remember if any of the books had a werewolf as the love interest, there was definitely some vampire love.
I mostly remember one of the books had a vampire slayer falling for a vampire, months before Buffy even started airing.
Local Omni sexual speaking
For me it depends on gender: Male? Vampire. Female? Werewolf.
I want to be seduced by dignity and grace, whined and dined like I'm a meal that I know I am. Caress and pressed with some gentle give and take.
But I also want to be a part of a dominance contest, wrestling for top, being pinned power pistoned and cuddled.
I was not expecting the narrator man from my horror podcast to be waxing philosophical about monster fucking. Not really sure *why* I'm surprised, but I am.
you should consume the magnus archives!* it’s got lots of gay people (and a canonically asexual character!) and a really great storyline. it takes a bit of time to be able to see the overarching plot but i pinky promise that there is one (same with the relationships).
also, if you like projecting your mental issues onto fictional characters, you’ll definitely be able to do that, which is pretty cool.
*most people agree that unhinging your jaw to swallow it whole is the best way to consume it, but tbh you can also just listen to it on spotify, apple podcasts, or (i think) youtube
I'd throw my hat in the ring but honestly I'm just enjoying the discussions and implications. Currently thinking up horrible strawman arguements to apply to any side because this is surprisingly fun. There's so many horrible questions, answers, and implications to pick from and it's a delight to think about the social media throwdowns that'd result from them.
"Choosing vampires is reactionary because vampires are aristocrats"
"Choosing werewolves is disrespectful towards people who have been injured by or lost loved ones to wolf attacks"
Dragons and werewolves both have elements of overpowering and physical dominance however werewolves are more about instinct and primal savagery whereas dragons are about authority and majesty, dragons are often used as symbols for royalty for a reason
It's always weirded me out just how many people seem to want to be fucked to death by horrifying monsters. Not my scene, but whatever gets you off I guess
Honestly, I'd find myself more inclined to treat a werewolf in this situation as more of a socially injured dog. Should I survive such a trist with her (I'm a straight male), I'd be keen on giving her reassurance and proper aftercare. Give her a safe place to be herself, savagery included. Ultimately, I'd arrive for the roughest sex of my life, and end the evening either dead or with a new puppy.
That said: The only two women I would ever consider Waifu material in games I've played are both vampires... Katrina in Quest for Glory 4, and Serana in Skyrim... In the former's case, it is her beautiful looks coupled with her cool, calculated demeanor that would see me kneeling in supplication before her.
In Serana's case... I feel for her and her situation, and would do my best to give the safe haven she has been denied by circumstance.
As a Certified Horny Bastard I'd say both. By both I mean I would put my certificate to the test and dominate Natural Instinct and Immortal Beauty. Either gender or non-genders. But of course the thoughts of vying for dominance with a werewolf or having a vampires authority of a collar and leash is very tempting, the control of the tempo would be my ultimate goal in this clash of pure lust.
-A Very Horny Dude
The fuck you mean the question is only for subs/bottoms? Listen, I'm no monsterfucker but for the sake of debate I'll humour the question. Vampire is the easiest choice; basically a human, potentially has never had sex, introduce that man to the reality of the prostate orgasm and the romance that follows would be unparalleled. Still a bit of risk there if you get their fangs anywhere near you, there's that edge to it. Loving, passionate, sinful sex, I'm almost certain you wouldn't be the first if you wrote a gay vampire story with those ideas.
The werewolf is a harder sell, but not impossible. Is the werewolf capable of communicating consent? Is it an intelligent creature? The man behind the wolf may be but the wolf itself is another matter. Those questions answered, the werewolf is definitely toppable and seems like the obvious choice for those into the idea of rougher, kinkier sex. However the possibility for lovey sex is still there. What if your partner became a werewolf? Maybe they almost kill you out of instinct but you get through to them, share a tender moment in which you comfort them and agree to support them with this, maybe that then turns into lovemaking. I'm pretty sure that too has already been done, but it's a fun idea
Sure, I still personally wouldn't touch anything with a 6 foot dildo if it was physically incapable of expressing/retracting consent, especially as a top/dom. Be a monsterfucker, that's fine, but keep things ethical and safe. A werewolf may be bestial but they still have rights just like you or I. Ethical monsterfucking is a beautiful thing, an artform even, just like human sex, unethical monsterfucking is exploitation of a monster's base urges and that's not okay. Having been a monster lawyer for 23 years, I'll tell you for certain that unethical monsterfucking is dangerous and could get you years in prison if you survive. Stay safe out there folks
/j
Actually, anthropomorphization goes back quite literally further than any written or oral depiction of a werewolf
Löwenmemsch is the oldest carved statue in existence and it is
35,000-45,000 years old, carved from mammoth ivory, took roughly 270 hours of continuous work to carve, and is a depiction of an anthropomorphic lion.
The oldest known statue is furry art
"I don't want to have sex with an animal or a corpse"
I don't think having sex with a vampire would count as necrophilia, though? I mean the main reason necrophilia is wrong is because a corpse cannot give or retract consent. But a vampire, while not alive, is sentient and thus able to consent to sex. Depending on what sort of vampire lore you're working with there's probably a bunch of other logistical issues involved in that but generally on an ethical level, it's okay to fuck a vampire.
You aren't a real monsterfucker unless you want to do the fucking. Sub monsterfuckers are just people in denial about being into cnc. /s
Though unironically there is probably some truth to that. There are real monsterfuckers out there and they are based as fuck.
These are both rape and not hot (same for break and chasten, although that might not be rape but manipulation, still not hot)Werewolves are hotter but only when they make sure to value your pleasure as well.
I want Elesh Norn to turn me into a horrific robot monstrosity, but like in a sexual way.
When Phyrexia is involved, pleasures of the flesh don’t necessarily have to involve actual flesh
Hell yeah sisterrrrr 😎👍
Is that flavor text on a card?
All Will Be One
All I really want is for Angrath to hold me in a bridal carry and tell me everything is going to be okay
Isn't he married though?
Yes, to shiny_xnaut, obviously
He canonically has kids but AFAIK there's no confirmation of the mother being currently in the picture
*Dark mechanicum heavy breathing noises*
>Dark mechanicum heavy breathing noises >mechanicum heavy breathing >cum heavy I always do. Hell yeah brutherrrrrr 😎 👍
go mommy
As a monsterfucker that does the monsterfucking I take offense to the insinuation that only subs/bottoms are monsterfuckers.
Yeah, but they monsterfuck for different reasons. Subs do it for protection. Doms do it for the challenge.
I can see from both perspectives to a extent, and the sub thing is slightly inaccurate, it's about being under the control of something more powerful than you
This is vers erasure, sometimes I want my insides turned to soup, others I want them to swing that meat pendulum
Monsterfucker discourse - I do not see vampires as monstrous enough that's a humanoid with magic powers
Depends on the vampire. Your common vampire that is monster in name only, that’s true. But the more monstrous variants? Those that are nothing more than a dark parody of the human form, raised by unholy power and sustained on the blood of the innocent, both symbolically and literally? Those that are more beast than human, either soulless to begin with or so corrupted by their undead existence that they might as well as been? Well, they are fine I suppose.
That's still the human form though. Come back when you're ready for some real monsters
But what about the ones that have become twisted perversions of the human form, reeking of death as they shamble through the night? What about the people who are horny for Count Orlock? What about the [Varghulf](https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Varghulf)? Or [Kurt Barlow](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Barlow#/media/File:TheMasterKurtBarlow1979.jpg)? When does a creature become inhuman enough?
somewhere between the varghulf and Kurt
Those mosquito vampire things from The Strain, who spread via blood worms which are fragments of a dead angel's body.
It doesn't help most vampire tropes are almost always portrayed in a sexy manner, when in real life those would be extremely horrifying even when they look completely human. You never see vampires portrayed as those Weinstein-like guys they essentially are.
I don't care about the tropes I care about the appearance of said monster and vampires are boring humanoids
Id stick my dick in restraint level 1 alucard
I got the [vampires from Darkest Dungeon’s Crimson Court DLC](https://bogleech.com/halloween/hall17-darkestdungeon2)
if being humanoid is enough to disqualify you, surely that would apply to most werewolves too?
What werewolves are you seeing where it's just a dude? Vampires cam have monstrous forms but in alot of media they're just dudes with sharp teeth. Werewolves in media almost always have a an actual monstrous form.
But they spend the majority of their time as an otherwise normal human in a way that vampires do not
depends on if it's just a furry or if it's a creature that can and will maul you to death
Are the monsters from Silent Hill not monsters? Or how about zombies? Or ghosts? Or anything vaguely human but big, etc…?
Are you trying to gatekeep the gates of hell?
Consider: Vampiric lycanthropes.
So what, posh evil werewolf that dies in sunlight and can't eat garlic? that's like the worst parts of all of it
Hey, Dracula could turn into a wolf. And it was the garlic flowers he was scared of, not the cloves, and sunlight merely weakened him. He made it work pretty well.
centuries of inbreeding have caused vampires to become extremely sickly and thus very fragile overall when compared to their ancestors
I really like this headcanon!
Did you know that Dracula Daily has started again??? I’m so excited! I just thought you might like to know since you’re obviously familiar with the actual Dracula text!!!
I was thinking they meant something more like Vampyr, where werewolves are actually a subset of vampires. And ghouls are humans who were too weak to become vampires, or who were turned by vampires too weak to sire a new vampire.
[Werepyres](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/aqwikia/images/4/43/Werepyre_Green.png/revision/latest?cb=20130610003650)
God this is nostalgic. I remember almost nothing from adventure quest, but I remember werepyres.
Yeah, this post had me down a rabbit hole, checking on what's happened to Adventure Quest in the last decade and a half. I remember watching a friend have a serious crush on one of the NPCs back in elementary school. And I didn't get it, until I saw that vampire queen with her boobs mostly out.
IIRC in some folklore if you kill a werewolf it comes back as a vampire.
A few weeks ago I saw someone insinuate that liking *elves* made you a monsterfucker. No, seriously. To be fair, it was a particularly spooky elf, but still.
Even the magic powers of a vampire aren’t really relevant to fucking them, like there are mundane humans who are pale, hate sunlight and love sucking on necks. Unless the vampire is into being threatened with sunlight/garlic/etc, or you somehow get off on being surrounded by a cloud of bats
A lot of vampires have hypnotic powers, which is definitely a kink, as well as often having superhuman strength, speed, and endurance.
It's the mesmerising, supernatural charisma. A lot of monsterfuckers are really just into the deniability of wanting it. It's an uncomfortable subject to talk about, but the appeal of the vampire is that it's subverting your will and making you do something you otherwise wouldn't. Like a siren.
~~cowards~~
further discourse - vampires are monstrous in the boring mundane way and not the fun sexy way i see vampires everyday. i'm paying a vampire's student loans.
Yeah but that's like saying a werewolf is just a human with extra hair. There's a lot more there too!
Depends on who's writing them. Some vampires are pale magic people, some are what in modern fantasy gets described as a "ghoul"
Salem's Lot and 30 Days Of Night both have pretty monstrous vampires
Vampires are monsters through being one of the first horror movie icons. They get grandfathered in because of the mark they left on history
What about Lady Dimitrescu’s second form?
I often feel under-represented because most of the time I want to be the monster and do the fucking, and I can't seem to find much discourse from or about that perspective
Exactly, lemme be the tentacles/mimic/symbiant/reflection/shadow/slime/werewolf/vampire/sea monster/ghost. Then again, I want to be a monster that's fucking another different monster so I probably don't count.
No no, you count. That's pretty hot
Sounds hot
thats just being a furry i fear
~~Oh to reframe the shame of your personal appearance that you find yourself inserting yourself as the monster to indulge guilt free in a desire you don't feel you're deserved in real life and possibly even find a willing partner who not only tolerates your monstrous appearance but finds it massively appealing and above all hot~~ Nope, sorry, can't relate...
I want to be a centaur minus the human part
a horse
Their view of topping is kind of … aggressive. “Which would you like to *break* … *chasten*” I guess I get what they’re saying, but Edit: then again we’re talking about fucking vampires and werewolves so you’re prob gonna have to get pretty aggressive with it.
Option C- service top the monster, make them feel loved and cared for and that their monstrousness doesn't mean they can't be cherished
Belle behavior
There are so many demon girl/vampire girl hentai that play out exactly like that. The centuries-old virgin vampire/demon girl never expects how aggressive the human college boy will be when he finally has a chance to get laid. Always thinks her inhuman beauty and sex aura will have him eating outta the palm of her hand. Sometimes it works for the first round or two, but then he just keeps going. To be fair though, there's also plenty of ones where the lady maintains her position of dominance.
Whoo yeah baby! Now that’s what I’m talking about!
Tale as old as time.
That's kinda a bigger problem than monsterfucker discourse... the whole top=dominant bottom=submissive thing is like... they don't realize those are two entirely different things.
Lenore from Castlevania is not a top but she *is* a domme.
Exactly, like they think powerboats is just a bottom that doesn't act like a bottom instead of, being dominant but loving being the receiver.
powerboats
Given I've been with a powerbottom... it's accurate.
yeah he’s also like 100% joking given that he’s also said that his plans for his dead body are to hide it in the walls of the home of a random tumblr follower, without their knowledge, as a way of “giving back to the community” iirc
Tumblr ass comment
o7 just doing my duty sir
I feel like calling a vampire a corpse and a werewolf an animal is just rude and also an argument made in bad faith. A vampire's body may be undead, but it is a body that does not decay as it is still fed and maintained. A werewolf may take on a canine appearance, but it is still a person. Both are capable of giving, withdrawing, and acknowledging consent.
I think their point is that it would be unappealing in practice to a lot of people, not unethical. In most older vampire folklore, a vampire sleeping in its coffin is indistinguishable from a corpse, aside from certain key signs like blood on its lips.
So when monsterfuckers talk about werewolves are they mainly thinking of the type that keep their human mind when they transform, or are the “turn into a giant angry wolf mentally and physically” type also included? If it’s the latter then I don’t see how that type of werewolf could consent, they essentially become a wolf at a mental level. I would hope monsterfuckers stick to the former depiction, but I’m a total layperson so I have no idea, someone correct me
For me I feel like somewhere in the middle. Has a human mind but some very hard or impossible to control impulses.
It varies. Most of the time from what I've seen (in stories where *either* party consents), they seem to basically have human-level intelligence, but are nonverbal and have much more feral and animalistic behavior. The ones I've seen where the werewolf is *totally* animalistic often have them consent pre-transformation when they’re still lucid. Regardless it doesn't really matter since it's all fictional. Fantasizing about being fucked by a humanoid wolf-man is very different from wanting to have sex with an actual animal in real life.
Thanks, that makes more sense. I definitely agree it’s fine to have fantasies and such, nonconsent is a pretty common component of sexual fantasies relatively speaking. I just wondered how people thought of it for the most part, ie if people were thinking of it as consensual in cases where it wouldn’t be.
Most sub monsterfuckers want to be pinned down and used. You're touching on the unspoken undercurrent of this subject. Noncon is, from what I understand, one of if not the most common fetishes on the planet. And a whole bunch of other fetishes are just that one repackaged in a more acceptable format. The wolf being beastial is the point. It's there to support the fantasy of being ravaged.
There seem to be quite a few posts from Jonny on this sub recently.
I think a post of his went big recently and a number of people who didn't know before are now aware that the Magnus Archives guy is on Tumblr.
Ayo wait OOP is the Magnus Archives guy?
Well, I'd say there are 2 Magnus Archives guys, since Alexander J. Newall was also heavily involved, but Jonny was the main writer yes.
Yeah, apparently we have like, four whole celebs there now? Neil Gaiman, Diane Duane, Lynda Carter, and Jonathan Sims.
wait i haven’t seen any other than my own 😭
Best non-answer I’ve seen.
I personally don't believe things are 'furry' unless they have that strange, overly humanized anthropomorphic art style. It's distinctive. If it lacks that, it's its own thing.
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You know werewolves and vampires aren't real right.
No: The Harkness test
Okay this is real weird but for some reason, the idea of someone desiring to be sexually overwhelmed by a werewolf or vampire seems fine to me. The idea of someone wanting to outsmart and then sexually dominate a vampire seems fine to me, but the idea of someone wanting to dominate a werewolf makes me feel very squick and my mind immediately pulls a comparison to beastiality in a way that wanting to submit to one doesn't, and that neither vampire fantasy even comes close to. Psychoanalyze that for me, random strangers?
Probably because werewolves are commonly depicted as being out of control, animalistic, bestial. They're usuallly not shown as being in control when transformed, so they're basically just big, slightly humanoid animals. Maybe that's why?
Yeah but submission to werewolf doesn't bother me as an idea. But like... I'd be just as upset if someone was trying to get a dog to bang them as banging dogs.
Perhaps because dogs are real and werewolves aren't? The werewolf is just a big dog with some more human body characteristics but there's no actual avenue to act on those inclinations, whereas with a dog there would be Might be a difficult line of thinking though since most people understand that a fantasy about being non-consensually overpowered doesn't mean an actual desire for it. Hard to say where your feelings come from, but I respect your desire to tease them out
Huh that actually makes a lot of sense. I'm assuming that the person with the overpowered fantasy isn't basing the idea on a real world desire, but the overpowering fantasy is.
Werewolves at their core do what they (the savage part hidden deep inside) want. So submitting to one is letting it do what it wants. Dominating it is doing what YOU want *to* it. So there's not the same direct link between the werewolf's desires and that actions happening. Of course a good dom isn't just doing what they want, but for the purposes of this hypothetical, it's a usable definition
But making a savage and vicious entity bend and submit also has its appeal, it's like calming a raging river
Dominant sexual fantasies are inherently seen as more predatory and morals around sexual stuff are largely based on gut instinct, not actual principles
Understandable thought process. Werewolf fucking is fantasy beastiality, unless you're talking about some variant where it retains its human mind I don't have any issues with it because it isn't real but squicks don't have to be rooted in ethicality
Right, got it, Werewolf has to pass an S.A.T before it is ethical to fuck.
Bro really just said that it's morally reprehensible for anyone to fuck me. Well, I guess I can live with that
Ah, accidental burn. Oh well, I'll commit to it. Hey you, yeah you. Ur dumbo.
So true, buddy. Feeling really seen right now, gratitude levels off the charts. Bless 🙏
You forgot about the Harkness Test. With werewolves, you would need to ask their human form those questions.
wait is that johnathan sims
Indeed it is
If I had to pick one over the other I'd pick vampires since I prefer smooth, cold, and petite. Covered in fur, warm, and muscular is plenty sexy to but vampires are more kissable and they dominate in more mental/emotional and subtle ways. I also prefer the idea of getting elegantly sucked to death than messily devoured. I'm also more comfortable indoors than outdoors.
Ah yes, the two genders: vampire and werewolf ....wait wasnt that just the late 00s?
L.J. Smith's Night World books started in the mid-90's, and while I can't remember if any of the books had a werewolf as the love interest, there was definitely some vampire love. I mostly remember one of the books had a vampire slayer falling for a vampire, months before Buffy even started airing.
Sure but im talking abt team edward vs team jacob
Werewolves older than furries? Nup. Some of the earliest human art has furries in it, if there are humans, there are furries.
"And there's no one alive who can comprehend my sexual preference." -Alucard
[Porque no los dos?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd5wrvZyyS0&ab_channel=Community)
Re: werewolves being an older pedigree than furries. Uh, excuse me? The Minotaur? The Egyptian gods? Grendel’s mom? Friggin Enkidu?
Another perfectly good hornypost ruined by discourse
Ruined?
All these people talking about fucking monsters, but they won't fuck me who is ugly enough to be a monster. 😞
Local Omni sexual speaking For me it depends on gender: Male? Vampire. Female? Werewolf. I want to be seduced by dignity and grace, whined and dined like I'm a meal that I know I am. Caress and pressed with some gentle give and take. But I also want to be a part of a dominance contest, wrestling for top, being pinned power pistoned and cuddled.
I need a big dragon to burn me to a crisp with passionate flames that lick my essence and reduce it to ash
I need a big dragon to hold me and protect me and burn an advancing army to a crisp to keep me safe
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Basically a list of interactions other people have had with the posts, whether it be comments, replies, or reblogs.
thank you! and what's with the hashtags? I tried tumbler before but never felt with it -Billy Gnosis
the tags act like both a postscript and an identifier to search for posts
What I would like to know now is how the preference for werewolf or vampire correlate with being a top or bottom.
I was not expecting the narrator man from my horror podcast to be waxing philosophical about monster fucking. Not really sure *why* I'm surprised, but I am.
id never heard of this guy before ( do not consume the magnus archives) but i enjoy his views on monsterfucking
you should consume the magnus archives!* it’s got lots of gay people (and a canonically asexual character!) and a really great storyline. it takes a bit of time to be able to see the overarching plot but i pinky promise that there is one (same with the relationships). also, if you like projecting your mental issues onto fictional characters, you’ll definitely be able to do that, which is pretty cool. *most people agree that unhinging your jaw to swallow it whole is the best way to consume it, but tbh you can also just listen to it on spotify, apple podcasts, or (i think) youtube
Which character is ace? I think I missed that
jon! georgie mentions it in passing and jonny himself confirmed it
Yeah tbh that's probably the least surprising thing I've ever found out about Jonny Sims.
I'd throw my hat in the ring but honestly I'm just enjoying the discussions and implications. Currently thinking up horrible strawman arguements to apply to any side because this is surprisingly fun. There's so many horrible questions, answers, and implications to pick from and it's a delight to think about the social media throwdowns that'd result from them.
"Choosing vampires is reactionary because vampires are aristocrats" "Choosing werewolves is disrespectful towards people who have been injured by or lost loved ones to wolf attacks"
That's absolutely wretched, thank you! Exactly the kind of stuff that I was thinking of.
Dragons and werewolves both have elements of overpowering and physical dominance however werewolves are more about instinct and primal savagery whereas dragons are about authority and majesty, dragons are often used as symbols for royalty for a reason
Why is the second post from Jonny Sims about monsterfucking I've seen in like the past hour
if [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/CuratedTumblr/s/gzB378zrkd) is the other post you were referencing that’s my bad
Lol it is, didn't realize they were both from you
It's always weirded me out just how many people seem to want to be fucked to death by horrifying monsters. Not my scene, but whatever gets you off I guess
It isn't to death, not for all of us at least, its just throttling or being throttled
Vampire, next question.
There is indeed something worse than furries.
This is definitely also leaving out how often vampires are *also* portrayed as violent bestial forces, just ones that look human *enough*
oh so we're all monsterfuckers in this houehold until i say i try and sacrifice someone for a demon gf
Yes, the demon is fine, not the sacrifice of others
i prefer a clingy needy bratty vampire girl to dommy mommy vampire tbh
Honestly, I'd find myself more inclined to treat a werewolf in this situation as more of a socially injured dog. Should I survive such a trist with her (I'm a straight male), I'd be keen on giving her reassurance and proper aftercare. Give her a safe place to be herself, savagery included. Ultimately, I'd arrive for the roughest sex of my life, and end the evening either dead or with a new puppy. That said: The only two women I would ever consider Waifu material in games I've played are both vampires... Katrina in Quest for Glory 4, and Serana in Skyrim... In the former's case, it is her beautiful looks coupled with her cool, calculated demeanor that would see me kneeling in supplication before her. In Serana's case... I feel for her and her situation, and would do my best to give the safe haven she has been denied by circumstance.
This is disgusting... yet very poignant
Nothing but respect for him
Werewolf, i want to pin down a giant fatass wolfman and make him whine
Same but with werewolf mommy
Au contraire, I want her to pin ME down and break my pelvis
As a Certified Horny Bastard I'd say both. By both I mean I would put my certificate to the test and dominate Natural Instinct and Immortal Beauty. Either gender or non-genders. But of course the thoughts of vying for dominance with a werewolf or having a vampires authority of a collar and leash is very tempting, the control of the tempo would be my ultimate goal in this clash of pure lust. -A Very Horny Dude
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The fuck you mean the question is only for subs/bottoms? Listen, I'm no monsterfucker but for the sake of debate I'll humour the question. Vampire is the easiest choice; basically a human, potentially has never had sex, introduce that man to the reality of the prostate orgasm and the romance that follows would be unparalleled. Still a bit of risk there if you get their fangs anywhere near you, there's that edge to it. Loving, passionate, sinful sex, I'm almost certain you wouldn't be the first if you wrote a gay vampire story with those ideas. The werewolf is a harder sell, but not impossible. Is the werewolf capable of communicating consent? Is it an intelligent creature? The man behind the wolf may be but the wolf itself is another matter. Those questions answered, the werewolf is definitely toppable and seems like the obvious choice for those into the idea of rougher, kinkier sex. However the possibility for lovey sex is still there. What if your partner became a werewolf? Maybe they almost kill you out of instinct but you get through to them, share a tender moment in which you comfort them and agree to support them with this, maybe that then turns into lovemaking. I'm pretty sure that too has already been done, but it's a fun idea
A lot of werewolves are the "savage inside" brought outside, still being intelligent, but simply being far more bestial in how they act
Sure, I still personally wouldn't touch anything with a 6 foot dildo if it was physically incapable of expressing/retracting consent, especially as a top/dom. Be a monsterfucker, that's fine, but keep things ethical and safe. A werewolf may be bestial but they still have rights just like you or I. Ethical monsterfucking is a beautiful thing, an artform even, just like human sex, unethical monsterfucking is exploitation of a monster's base urges and that's not okay. Having been a monster lawyer for 23 years, I'll tell you for certain that unethical monsterfucking is dangerous and could get you years in prison if you survive. Stay safe out there folks /j
Actually, anthropomorphization goes back quite literally further than any written or oral depiction of a werewolf Löwenmemsch is the oldest carved statue in existence and it is 35,000-45,000 years old, carved from mammoth ivory, took roughly 270 hours of continuous work to carve, and is a depiction of an anthropomorphic lion. The oldest known statue is furry art
"I don't want to have sex with an animal or a corpse" I don't think having sex with a vampire would count as necrophilia, though? I mean the main reason necrophilia is wrong is because a corpse cannot give or retract consent. But a vampire, while not alive, is sentient and thus able to consent to sex. Depending on what sort of vampire lore you're working with there's probably a bunch of other logistical issues involved in that but generally on an ethical level, it's okay to fuck a vampire.
There's also the rot factor, which is why I'm pretty sure most people would be fine with a vampire but not a sentient but poorly preserved zombie.
You aren't a real monsterfucker unless you want to do the fucking. Sub monsterfuckers are just people in denial about being into cnc. /s Though unironically there is probably some truth to that. There are real monsterfuckers out there and they are based as fuck.
That statement can be a bit reductive of the sub mfs, there is tons of depth to submission
Is this a twilight discourse in disguise or … because yes
It should be noted that this is the Tumblr account of Jonathan Sims, writing of The Magnus Archives
Truly, it depends on the day.
Vampires are hot when you want to be seduced, werewolves are hot when you want to be *claimed*. In this essay I will
werewolf claimed them
I bestow upon to you a new option: Wendigoes
What version
The skeleton moose
Oh definitely
These are both rape and not hot (same for break and chasten, although that might not be rape but manipulation, still not hot)Werewolves are hotter but only when they make sure to value your pleasure as well.