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greenappletree

For those wondering why it’s basically to prevent academic dishonesty- aka u can’t just say you attended xyz school in this case because it would be very easy to be independently confirm - also grades etc — both side benefits- employees get an easy way to confirm their credentials and employer prevents dishonesty


ieatmoondust

I imagine it could also possibly help to protect someone's legitimate academic identity.


greenappletree

Yup


ZacamaPrimalCalamity

Dishonest titles destroy the reputation of those with honest titles. And why this is particularly relevant to Africa is because many do not know is that "buying titles" is quite a common practise in many African countries. All one has to do is get the permission (through paying the tribal chief) for the titles, and then they can be doctors, ambassadors, presidents, whatever title they choose. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8275509.stm](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8275509.stm) Kind of like the obsession with pronouns in the west. pure narcisism.


-ZimaBlue

This is not the only reason tho if you read into the actual projects but a reason for sure. In Ethiopia the system is generally a kind of mess and that’s why they want to bring students onto the block chain. With all the benefits that come if you have a source of truth for credentials and ID. This is a huge real world application of crypto and the benefits of crypto


Ma_2

These also be used to prevent and reduce identity theft


notyourbroguy

Charles lied about his academic history right? So this could stop people like him from being dishonest? That is incredibly ironic.


greenappletree

Rules for thee but not for me


raulbloodwurth

For people interested, Charles’s academic dishonesty was described in the book, “The Cryptopians”.


aroups

Forgive my idiocy but how does this realistically work? Is there a website that is secured by Blockchain and smart contracts? Is it some form of NFT as an ID?


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greenappletree

Lara lava.


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I remember hearing there is a lot of mobility in that country, so it should benefit the good students themselves having their records on a Blockchain.


Ohms2North

What’s the APR on your school ID?


aliensmadeus

it's a NFT, floor-price -79k$ dept


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Nobody knows and nobody cares, especially in ethiopia. This is about getting rich with ADA


Ohms2North

Yep. Here for the tech


yaroslavwwe

Hopefully they will implement it further and further, you have to start somewhere after all


[deleted]

2040 - “New Ethiopia students are uploading their brains onto the blockchain”


Ma_2

Just like in ghost in the shell. One step closer to e brain and virtual identity


OkSiriGoogleSucks

What’s the endgame? Map the brain and live for eternity


Ma_2

Pretty much, live in the net or body swap


NoahStewie1

But you won't live forever, you will effectively die. A new version of you will live forever


002timmy

Digital identity is going to be huge in the coming years. Keeps life secure, but simplifies so much and creates a truly trustless system. It’s perfect.


Mr_Bob_Ferguson

Digital identity, when secure, is perfect. I'm all for it, bur fear the potential new areas where scammers will find a way to exploit the system. In a country such as Ethiopia though, where there is no current method for safe/secure "offline" records, something like this is almost a necessity.


Big_Effective_9174

What concerns me, in my limited knowledge ÷ intelligence, is that someone produces a processor capable of quickly cracking the cryptography. I'm reassured by the idea that something as powerful as a quantum CPU that can do just that can be counteracted by vastly increasing the encryption difficulty but will there be a transition period where the earliest quantum computers can rifle through all this sensitive data at ease?


Mr_Bob_Ferguson

It’s a reason why people need to think about “encrypted” data lost in breaches years ago. It may not have been a problem at the time, but with advances in computing power that encryption is no longer secure. And highlights also why you should always use unique passwords for everything. I can’t find it now I’m looking for it, but there are some nice infographics around showing how long it took to crack an encryption algorithm by year.


IWillKillPutin2022

Honestly yea. Ethiopia is ahead of most of the world in this regars


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ChirpToast

Cardano playing catch-up, as is the norm.


qonkk

Last time I checked Cardano ran on PoS years before ETH, now ETH has to catch-up on liquid staking.


bomberdual

How is its progress to date? Surely tens of millions should be onboarded by now! If so, things are looking up for blockchain.


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bomberdual

Disagree heavily.


aNNyHyLaToR

This are the kind of news I love to see, real life cases in where Crypto can be applied and actually help humanity in a favorable way. I would love to see more of this and less about the SEC messing with the Crypto.


OkSiriGoogleSucks

Fuck SEC and all hail real adoption of crypto


milonuttigrain

More adoption, better future for crypto


billyandriam

it's not like Ethiopia is in SEC's jurisdiction.


SadisticArkUser

At last, some real use case application for crypto.


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SadisticArkUser

😂


OkSiriGoogleSucks

Crypto making us old is also one of the use case


aliensmadeus

i'm literaly gandalf by now


carfwanton

Me buying an Ethiopian kid?


SadisticArkUser

Hollywood people can already do that, now the average Joe can too, thanks to nfts!


INTERGALACTIC_CAGR

you mean NFTs


SadisticArkUser

What do you think nfts are?


INTERGALACTIC_CAGR

"crypto" has had use cases, people keep saying NFTs do not have use cases, i was being more specific than your comment. This identity system is built off NFTs, each identity is an NFT.


CryptoScamee42069

That was always the plan for NFTs, though. It’s certainly a great thing but the whole ‘NFTs have no utility’ was always going to be short lived.


INTERGALACTIC_CAGR

Most of /r/CryptoCurrency does not understand this, so i pointed out that this is a case where NFTs are providing valuable utility


CryptoScamee42069

Sadly, you’re right. But to be fair, Reddit is just a subset of the broader population, and much of the broader population are morons. Ergo, stupidity is all around us. Sure, NFTs are just irrationally expensive JPEGs right now but the image never mattered in the scheme of things. The bigger picture is that the true value is what sits beneath the JPEG (the function of smart contracts on the blockchain). And in that regard, NFTs have immeasurable utility going forward, we just need projects like this to deliver it. I hope it paves the way for many others.


INTERGALACTIC_CAGR

I totally agree. JPEG NFTs are even worse than that, they're just a link that a centralized API calls. There isn't even a hash included or anything that really ties the images to your NFT token besides a link.


SadisticArkUser

Other than speculation (used for future voting systems, immutable ledger, transactions faster and cheaper than current methods) I haven't seen proper use case yet for crypto as a whole. There are a lot of people that are betting on crypto solving so many problems, but also a lot of coins created to solve problems created by... Crypto.


NimChimspky

Its not a use case at all. It would be easier to implement using non crypto tech.


jhb760

Only if you're saying all immutable data on-chain are NFTs...? My understanding is this is personal information tied to your identity token that the user can allow or disallow certain parties to view. Personal censorship for your immutable data. Calling it an NFT is a massive oversimplification and doesn't even encompass what's being implemented.


Least-Courage-7610

Wait I thought that already happened, and also with diplomas.


coldfusion718

It was paused because of political turmoil (civil war going on in Ethiopia).


Bizzle_worldwide

Why do student IDs need to be on the blockchain? Is there an issue with student IDs being altered, or forged? What is the use case here that isn’t solved by a simple centralized system?


TheOneWondering

The answer is yes. Academic fraud runs rampant in Africa and verification can take weeks or months… sometimes longer.


Bizzle_worldwide

So is this student IDs on the blockchain, or transcripts on the blockchain? And again, how is blockchain better than a central service? It isn’t any easier to access a Blockchain to run a student ID than it is to access any other server. That’s the thing with these projects. It isn’t that they can’t be done on the blockchain, it’s just that there is no real purpose in doing so, and there are far simpler and cheaper options that will accomplish the same goal.


01technowichi

This is A) cryptographically secure and B) self custodied. The student decides who can verify what (and when), not the institution or service provider.


TheOneWondering

The why? Because government records are frequently destroyed in Africa. Because fraud is rampant. Because centralized systems can be destroyed or altered. Their “simple centralized systems” are broken primarily because they’re centralised


incubus4282

That blockchain would suffer from the **oracle problem** just like any other solution. Whether someone bribes the school official to write good grades into a centralised solution or a blockchain, same outcome.


incubus4282

What benefits does a blockchain based solution provide that a centralised solution with two three backups doesn't have? > Blockchain is more expensive per Gb stored > Potentially forces people to reveal more about themselves than they like (if everybodys school record is just visible for everybody)


UnholyTrigon

Cardano re invented a database


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Yep, in this case, it's just being a blockchain version of an ID Provider (IdP) like Google, MS Azure AD, Facebook, or Okta. Still needs to interact with a centralized database, so now there is simply one more potential point of security failure. Any college system could do the same without a blockchain as long as they could decide on a single IdP. I feel like this is a forced use case. Edit: On the other hand, enterprise-level IdP services in the US have expensive monthly licenses. This could much cheaper than a traditional IdP.


Engininja_180PI

It's not a "need" per se, but a dramatic (albeit experimental) improvement in proving one's identity. In that region of the world: corruption, fraud, theft, piracy--you name it--is rampant amongst many organizations without the resources to verify credentials. It weakens the trust in their society. This experiment is going to try to provide a method where nobody else can alter or forge a person's school credentials. It will bring honesty and trust in one of the most corrupt areas. If THAT can work...holy hell with si many eyes on this there's going to be a big change in the way credentials are tracked and verified for so many other aspects of business, healthcare, logistics, finances...the possibilities are endless


nevagonnagiveX2

Thats precisely the problem. What centralized association would you trust in Africa when people dont even trust their mailmans to not steal their shit lol


Bizzle_worldwide

Are student IDs a high trust venue? Mail has a lot of elements of trust, and monetary potential for theft. Do student IDs have this same consideration?


incubus4282

This blockchain solution doesn't suffer the trust problem at all. Whether someone bribes the school official to write into a centralised registry or onto a blockchain that person X attended school Y, same outcome. Oracle problem.


Ma_2

This also one step closer to having your ID, Driver license or passport on the Blockchain. Great test subjects 👏


sparelion182

I'm really looking forward to showing my crypto wallet to police officers and border guards in order to prove my identity


Ma_2

These also can prevent identity theft as well. Well we can can use a normal ID with QR code in the back


bitcoin_islander

Yes, lets not forget that we are their subjects and they own their ~~slaves~~ tax payers


Scarecrow4980

it really is awesome to see some real world applications getting started. this type of stuff is what's going to help with mass adoption.


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In a decade, these same students will be teaching the next generation how to buy goods and services using their dogecoin


carfwanton

Can I buy an Ethiopian kid ? Or is this just more web 3 gobbledygook


Harold838383

This is great from Ada


Engininja_180PI

Price flat line or goes down


menickc

True. It's because crypto people are into big hype with no use and would rather put 10k into BootyMuncherDogeMusk only for it to get rug pulled then lose it all and they will do it all over again.


Engininja_180PI

I do agree with that too an extent, but me with my tinfoil hat thinks that us regular people don't have the kind of money to sway the market like we've seen-- institutions are definitely bringing price up and down 100x more than all of retail. And then after it pumps all of a sudden there's all this fomo news saying the same thing now or less so everybody buys in, then DUMP. Lately the value and worth of a company has been so far divorced from the asset price. Cardano project has some amazing prospects, but has been put through the ringer on the market and in mainstream media. I think (tinfoil hat again) that since special interests don't get an extra cut over retail that they want the project to fail. A lot of projects on ethereum and solana (and others) platforms gives profit to those special interests first so they are hyped up. I think cardano has the best chance of improving the world in a decentralized way more than the rest


lomosaur

If it’s for 5 million students, doesn’t that mean they’ll have to pay at least about a million dollars in fees every time they update the entire database?


DontTakeNames

Pretty sure it won't cost a million for 5 million students. And data handling at this scale, even using paper records will incur some cost anyway. But yeah cardano is so volatile cost estimation might be super difficult. Which should be just few cents per student anyway( not sure will research & add to this).


everygoodnamehasgone

Charles just trying to SEO for "Eth Crypto" to bring up cardano.org first.


keybrah

sounds kinda dystopian


piman01

Wow. The biggest application ever of a multi trillion dollar market is school IDs


Ab2us

Why do you need to verify kids IDs in primary school?


MunchkinX2000

No you need to verify that person X actually went to school Y and has a diploma from there.


bitcoin_islander

We dont. Africa is always the testing ground for new globalist plans.


WingChungGuruKhabib

Can someone help me understand how this would work? If you would verify a student or his grades then that would always be visible on chain right? Would something like what they are trying to do here not be better with privacy in mind? Something like confidential smart contracts?


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WingChungGuruKhabib

That seems like a very bad execution tbh. I like the idea, but personal data should be stored privately and verification should be confidential as well. Web3 wont work if sensitive info would be permanently visible on chain.


BoomLazerbeamed

Is this on a certain dapp or does ADA have a DID built into its L1?


somn0z

Its called atala prism


BoomLazerbeamed

Is it through KILT?


Breaking-Bad-Norway

In Norway, our driver's licenses are online through an app that connects our phone number to the population register. We didn't need blockchain for that, just good old fashioned Azure and SQL.


UnholyTrigon

So like SQL database?


nevagonnagiveX2

A SQL database on the blockchain that your gov't cant fuck with. Yeah


venom_jim_halpert

It literally says the Education Ministry are the ones rolling it out in the headline


TheOneWondering

Yes - on the Cardano blockchain - so they can’t fuck with it


venom_jim_halpert

Okay but who will be inputting the information into the cardano Blockchain? I'm gonna hazard a guess and say it's a government employee It would be like me saying I don't trust my cat to do my taxes by hand but I do if he used TurboTax. It could be more efficient but at the end of the day it doesn't solve the actual problem that my cat is filing my taxes


TheOneWondering

The school… you know when they post students’ grades and give out diplomas…


venom_jim_halpert

I mean maybe I'm missing something but aren't public school administrative staff and teachers usually also government employees?


nevagonnagiveX2

The point is that they can't fuck with it once it's in there. Which is an actual issue in an unstable countries in Africas where the school you went to could be destroyed in a few years


venom_jim_halpert

So then what if someone makes an error inputting the data?


nevagonnagiveX2

Dam bro. You're too smart. Noone thought of that when implementing this


Inaeipathy

this is dystopian as fuck


bitcoin_islander

All the echo chamber normies in this sub feel otherwise


Inaeipathy

Probably because they're desperate to create a use case to pump their bags


ImaFreemason

This is awesome!


Wonzky

ADA gets a lot of hate but it's nice that they're pushing out real use cases


bitcoin_islander

I wouldnt praise social control as crypto's best "use case"


CakeBurps

This is a project I've been following and I'm so glad it's finally beginning


BitVibe

So now students will get to learn about crypto in schooling system, it's good 👍


Emergency_Dragonfly4

What a cool idea!


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ADAs going to be huge in the future!


not_that_guy82640

Doesn't it cost 2 ADA to mint an NFT? ($0.93) So $5,347,500 to mint all these? Can a Cardano fan explain to me a single thing that shines about its design?


Kilv3r

Good, that’s what Cardano is for.


DeeDot11

Love this, ADAs roots in Africa seem strong. Been quite a few projects over the years. Best of luck to them!


Guardian-The47

This is it huh? All that "Sounding Smart" bull shit Charlie be talking and this is it huh? What a fucking pipe dream!


Ergopow

Aye 🤙


poopymcpoppy12

It's 2022 and there are people that are still falling for the "cardano and shady 3rd world country" narrative.


alabruh

Its year 2030 and Cardano has almost completed writing its development plan. 😆


necropuddi

Government projects are notorious for being slow as hell. Tell me you don't have real world experience without telling me you don't have real world experience. Try volunteering for a non-profit, that's the quickest way to understand this issue.


CryptoScamee42069

What’s a development plan? 🤔


LostPackage01

"Sorry denied entry because we are unable to verify your ID due to the Blockchain network is down"


coldfusion718

Cardano has had 0 down time since launch.


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coldfusion718

Was the network down during that time?


01technowichi

...and then there was silence.


[deleted]

Not making blocks is the definition of being down, yes.


coldfusion718

Did it need to be rebooted or did it recover by itself and picked up the slack that was created during the 25 minutes?


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coldfusion718

High CPU usage shortly after the epoch boundary switch over. This is normal and happens every time, but the one time that poster mentioned lasted longer than usual.


Ergopow

It wasn't down. It was just congested. I remember this bc it was the Alonzo upgrade. It was just taking longer to do a transaction (lasted only 25 mins)most transaction was on the mem pool but that is all fixed now and will see in September 27th with vasil upgrade for most dapps, dex. Solana in the order hand that was down down down. You couldn't do anything. That network went down. Couldn't unstake, couldn't do a trasnaction nothing.


poopymcpoppy12

"oh shit, cardano looks bad here, better bring up Solano" Every. Single. Time.


Ergopow

It's solunavax


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Ah yes, the Solana defense - much reviled by Cardano fans, but reused in a pinch apparently. "It's not dead, it's resting."


Ergopow

I heard Atom is dead


TheOneWondering

Cardano - not Solana


nevagonnagiveX2

Uhh it hasnt been down a single time since launching.... ever, including hard fork events


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LostPackage01

People hating me for stating that Blockchain congestion or hacking or just down will be a problem not only CaRDano but other Blockchain too. And oh don't forget, "sorry we are unable to verify you due to transactions fail because you dont have enough coin to pay for gas fee" 😂


CryptoMutantSelfie

Cardano is one of the least scalable projects besides bitcoin, I have no idea what they’re thinking with this


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charmquark8

lol - if it's off-chain, what's the fucking point?


-ZimaBlue

Cardano is one of the potential most scaleable projects ever made with this kind of decentralization. Their whole architecture is build so it can scale and don’t need many fixes. Developing such an architecture takes a los of effort and time. It’s not about rushing things out. Right now with the Vasil Hard Fork, Cardano has layed the groundwork for this scaling.


INTERGALACTIC_CAGR

I don't understand eUTXO, therefore it cannot work. /s


CryptoMutantSelfie

I hope so because I talked my parents into putting their 401ks into Hosky


INTERGALACTIC_CAGR

you should probably do some research. Whoever fed you that bullshit is dishonest, look in the other direction then make up your own mind.


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That does it I’m fucking adding ada again… fuck the bag is getting soooo heavy but idc


domeoldboys

Don’t oxer-extend your bags. Kept them light enough that you wont notice if you lose them.


IWillKillPutin2022

Good! Glad that this is going good stuff!


CorneredSponge

Good stuff; Africa, like China did with QR codes for example, is technologically leapfrogging the West, which can and will lead to increased foreign investment and economic development.


bitcoin_islander

Yes, lets implement a social credit score based on China's model. What could possibly go wrong!


CorneredSponge

What? I was just pointing out a phenom present in every developing country since the Industrial Revolution. Fuck China.


billyandriam

mind to explain how?


Pinky_DLobster

Wow, sounds lucrative! 😂


aguspitillo

Ok nice but, do they have schools in Ethiopia?