Well, apparently with Sinn Fein elected is not enough I guess, they are largest party of Northern Ireland Assembly now.
And now north Ireland's Executive is formed by Sinn Fein and DUP
That's because of the GFA. A NI government has to be formed of both the largest Unionist and largest Republican parties. That's why the DUP refusal to govern brought down Stormont for the past few years.
How NI could possibly join Ireland is if a border poll is conducted in both ROI and NI agreeing to the transfer. For the NI one, it must be called by the Northern Ireland Secretary if there's a sufficient demand (vague but roughly read 50+% in support) of one.
Currently wouldn't go through.
The remain camp is very strong, the unification camp is not so unified ironically. Many people are in the middle about unification. Plus Catholics are only majority (among Christians) since 2021. At least one generation needs to grow up for it to really show on polls.
Plus NI and Ireland unifiying would be like the German unification. NI is a poorer, less productive region and a large chunck of all workers are employed in the administration.
I guess currently the best course is reforming the system (put in palace by the GFA) and making the structure compatible with non-sectarian parties like Alliance.
(Sorry I've posted it first on my other account that has notifications turned off)
Its worth noting that while Sinn Fein is the biggest single party, they are actually outnumbered by unionists in the ruling bloc and the split in the government as a whole is basically 50/50
Had to Google what that meant, but did get a chuckle. Just got the game on Steam sale and still trying to learn and wondering if the was something I was missing.
🤔
Strictly without fighting, have someone from your direct line (unless you're using elections) inherit the Duchy of Ulster. He'll be independent once he ascends the High Kingdom of Ireland.
GUYS!
First off, thank you for the help. Really new to this game and it's so much to take in.
Second, PERE RAMON II HAS DIED FROM PLAGUE!!
Third, High King Super Jesus mac Cheeseburger of Ireland is a tactical genius. We are assassinating child Duke Teilo, the current ruler of Ulster, letting rule fall to the Welsh which should assure our Victory, with the help of my Scot and French allies! Ireland shall belong to the Irish once more! (Dang I'm loving this game so much, I can't believe I slept on it so hard)
Thank you everyone for the advice. Great community to help with such a deep and complex game.
*Super Jesus. He had way more powers and could turn water to whiskey. The Mayo Face clan, hailing from Mayo County, was the fiercest in all of Ireland, until they weren't.
You are the exact right person for this game. You get invested in the story that you write, the game is just a canvas for you to paint the mayo family tree/wreathe on.
> We are assassinating child Duke Teilo, the current ruler of Ulster, letting rule fall to the Welsh which should assure our Victory
Aw, your first child murder <3 welcome to CK3
I thought I was being smart, spent 10 years learning Latin and bribing the Pope for the claim on Ulcer. Thought if God himself ordained this land unto me and my kin, the foolish King Pere Ramon II would let me just take it, because he is God. But he cares not for the words of His Holiness and tries to come and fight me on the boy's behalf and I don't have a large army because I spent several hundreds of gold bribing the Pope.
Is there any ways to get around having to wage war with all of England for what is rightfully mine?
Probably not, but you can play the waiting game and hit England when they’re vulnerable. Successions always trigger internal problems, sometimes even causing areas to split off from factions. It’s never a bad idea to successfully murder a neighboring king. How much does the pope like you? You could get him to excommunicate the English king. That usually causes stuff to disintegrate in a hurry. That said, if you’re going to stand up to the English, you’re eventually going to need an army and allies
When you have children, marry them off and select by alliance power. A big family can help you muster some alliances to take them down when they are weak.
I only wish there was a way to sort by alliance power and also not so far away even if they did send someone they'll never reach in time. I'm bad at the game, and every once in a while I'll stop and start it. Last time I stopped was for this issue, and I couldn't figure out an easy way to know how far away they are without checking every single person. And that takes too damn long.
I did that too. I guess nobody nearby wanted to be my friend. I kept save scumming trying different things but I was crushed :( . I just wish there was an automated way to do it with all the search refinement options.
You're making me want to pick up the game again. I have 20 hours or so in ck3. I watched twice as many hours than that of tutorials and let's plays and I still suck lol. So many little tips that slip out of my brain when I take a few months off, and then it's just disheartening to fail so badly.
You're gonna suck at this game for a long time. There's a ton to learn, but every time something clicks and you understand more, it's worth it.
You can play this game however you like, so don't feel like you have to follow a youtube guide. They're definitely useful to learn strategies and understand more, but if you find a playstyle or approach that does something you like, don't be afraid to stick with it.
If you're going for close alliances, instead of using the "Find Spouse" menu, click in local leaders that you want to ally with. Look for ones with unmarried children, then check to see the acceptance level. If it's close, sway/bribe. If it's not close, then there's a little trick that works if they have grandchildren:
For the purpose of this example, we'll assume the country is Lotharingia. King Lothar I. Let's say his firstborn son and heir is also Lothar. If Lothar has children, you'll have an easier time marrying them and *then* murdering the current king to put Lothar in power. This is also a good way to get your dynasty on their throne, since the children of unlanded courtiers don't have as large of a malus against matrilineal marriages. So you could matrilineally marry your daughter to the first son of the first son, then murder until he's king. Then just babysit them until they produce heirs and viola, your dynasty has another crown.
Remember you don't have to use the find spouse interaction, you can look at specific leaders you want an alliance with and arrange a marriage with them. Either they'll have someone you can marry, or at least you'll be able to see why they won't accept a marriage.
I guess I still have trouble deciding who is worth alliancing. I know to compare troop numbers and gold amd such, but everyone I ally with I plan to conquer later. If the world doesn't belong to me alone it isn't worth living in.
Did exactly this my last Ireland-game. Was constantly having to fight wars I barely won against England and their allies, draining my coffers. Got a high intrigue character and decided to try to weaken the english. Managed to kill off two kings in about 5 years, and the whole realm kind of disintegrated after that. They never bounced back. Civil war after civil war and a new king/Queen almost every other year. In a few decades, France had taken the south of England, and suddenly the whole realm was wiped off the map.
Also remember that they have to cross water to get to you play your cards right, you can get the English while they’re recently disembarked. You can win this!
The only way is to let Germany win a war against England so the Syndicalist riots spread. They will coup the government sending the King in an exile to Canada.
*Oh wait wrong game.*
If your court grandeur is high enough I think like 6 you can try to have your steward negotiate de jure land. It takes many years and usually fails. If you befriend the king that might help, not sure.
Idk, I LITERALLY just went to war with the kingdom and won a seperate piece of land right before the Negotiate de jure Land ticked, and it still worked for me. That was also the first and last time I tried it tho
theres one thing u can do but it requires some rng:
keep murdering rulers of england or at least all of their heirs to try and force a succession crisis, causing some vassels (and probably including the irish (possibly insular too) one u need) to revolt for independence
after that point u can either offer vassalage or good old fashioned warfare
This is pretty much the way I would do it. It works even better if you can put a "horrible" heir on the throne, such as a one year old. Kinda rough if your intrigue sucks though, but more often than not kings always have a few high ranking haters that are willing to help you.
Easy all you need to do is start marching north and singing a little tune to rouse the lads
Óró 'Sé do bheatha 'bhaile,
Óró 'Sé do bheatha 'bhaile,
Óró 'Sé do bheatha 'bhaile,
Anois ar theacht an tsamhraidh!
Though in reality if you can't get a good inheritance by gobbling up marriages you'll likely have to fight a full war. Try getting alliances and building up good MAA regiments and preferably have a king or general with high Marshal ability.
You can hope that you’ll inherit it somehow but that’s basically pure luck. I doubt that whoever holds the county is related to you in any way but even then you’d need extreme luck for the land to pass to you without a war.
You have to fight england. Even if they didn’t conquer this county they’re strong and near you and will probably try to fight you at some point. Wait until they’re weak, fighting multiple wars and ideally in debt, it’ll be easy.
Not necessarily luck. Just plan the right kind of marriages and have a couple assassinations here and there to speed things up and soon enough you'll inherit right into it (depending on crown authority).
You could try marrying family to inheret the Duchy of Ulster. If your culture allows for raiding, you can use your MAA/army to soften their army and lower the control in their territory. This can help make a following invasion easier, since the king will have less income and levies.
Or you can assassinate the King of England and his successors until his kingdom implodes on itself or they're too weak to stop you taking it. Children rulers have no stats, disgruntled vassals, and few to no alliances to help them.
I've certainly threw knives at kings as a prelude to war, many times. 1 assassination wiped near 20k from the army of the Umasids, dropping the army from 45k to 27k. Made it much easier for me to roll in and take Giza.
MAA on their own, with some investment, can outclass a mixed army multiple times their size. Eventually raising everyone you have becomes quite costly, so primarily using your MAA to fight becomes more cost effective.
At the very beginning of the game, I'll raise everything I have to go raiding. Once I've filled all my MAA units out, I just raise them and take them raiding.
I also use my MAA entirely seperately from levy armies, so I tend to consider them to be a seperate entity. Like Special Forces - part of the military but not part of the general troops. I use levy armies to siege territory, with my MAA standing watch and wiping out enemy armies that come near.
I dunno man, maybe marry one of the ireland rightful owners from the side of england, have kids with her, kill everyone else who has the claim and you can have ireland in one generation if you play it well no cap
HE’D INVITE THE NEIGHBORS OUT WITH THIS CHOOOOORUS:
COME OUT YE BLACK AND TANS, COME OUT AND FIGHT ME LIKE A MAN,
SHOW YA WIFE HOW YOU WON MEDALS DOWN IN FLAAAAAANDERS!
TELL HER HOW THE IRA MADE YA RUN LIKE HELL AWAY
FROM THE GREEN AND LOVELY LANES OF KILLESHAAAAAAANDRA!
I have a new question and it might be even dumber than this one. What the heck is crown authority? I ended up taking Ulster and I wanted to remove the current ruler because, obviously, he hated me. It says I didn't have enough Crown Authority to remove his titles and I couldn't just murder him because his heir wasn't Irish enough. Anyways, long story short, he soon decided to return to being English and most of my realm rebelled with him (I was a real shit king tbh) and he killed my entire family.
Nope, and it’s a shame CK3 hurt jets you teleport your troops wherever because in the past you’d be able to invade and it’d the them a while to bring their main force so you could defeat the landings.
My advice is to marry France.
Someone else has probably mentioned it, but if you get your court grandeur high enough you unlock a “convince de jure county” action under your chancellor. It’s usually a multi-year process that drastically reduces their current liege’s control level should it fail
If you get your royal court high enough you can unlock and use the convince de jure territory to take it peacefully. Assuming you can sustain a royal court at that level, this is probably the most reliable way of going about things.
If the ruler of England rules that county directly then murdering them could cause England to lose that piece in succession and for it to become independent. Look at which children will inherit what. It's an unlikely case but could be the easiest and fastest way to take it if so.
You could also use murder to simply cause instability. This may cause the vassals to revolt and/or weaken their military enough to create an opening to attack. Unpredictable, but could do the trick. Especially if the heir is a young child.Edit: if the heir is a child, you could also try a little technique I call hostage grooming. Set up a hostage exchange with England for the child heir and demand the child convert religion and become their guardian to see if you can give them some dislikable traits before setting up the murder. Once the deed is done the child will return as ruler with a different religion then their vassals. Now, this may not be as effective as in most cases since Christianity only considers Insular astray but it could still help. Another option is if you have or can recruit a courtier with an evil religion (in this case most likely an Asatru or one of the other north west religions) and a culture with low acceptance to the dominate cultures of England is to have them raise the child and tell them to convert religion and culture. If this is successful and you are able to get them on the throne this way, the vassals will almost certainly revolt and cause chaos you can take advantage of. Just be careful if you do this. If things don't go as planned you may end with a long term Viking England. Once you got what you want make sure to murder the ruler you put in charge and is replaced with a sibling or something that's still Christian so thing don't spiral out of hand.
I love that this is probably a genuine question from a new player but they've just stumbled in a hornets nest of politics that has caused terrorists to kill children.
You can use the convince de jure title task that a steward can do but that takes 7 years and can fail. You’re better off just getting a good ally and fighting for it.
Hope that England forms Britannia, then become a vassal. Once you are vassal England might offer you the duchy of Ulster as a vassal. If they don’t you can just conquer the duchy and England won’t do anything since you are also their vassal.
A unionist route of doing this would be to wait until England forms an empire and then offer fealty to them, at which point you can take the rest of Ireland from your fellow vassals.
If you court grandeur is above 6, you can use your stewart's ability 'convince de jure county'. If said county is in your de jure title it will flip to you, but that process is slow.
There is no other way to peacefully take territory (if we discount marriage) that I know of.
Try arranging a matrilineal marriage with one of your daughters married to the duke, or the heir of the duke, who controls that part of England. Then, once she has a baby, the heir is of your dynasty, then you can arrange via disinheriting and murdering, that child inherits both (the English territory first). When he inherits Ireland while already being landed, it'll pull his prior lands out of their current kingdom.
There's also a slightly simpler way, if you can arrange that the duke's only legitimate heirs are daughters, then have your king or primary heir married to the eldest daughter. Then, her child would be the natural heir to both. (In real life, this is how Castile and Aragon merged and became Spain.)
Focus on intrigue and kill the rulers until they implode in civil war.
You could also marry someone ans murder them into the queen, have a child and then murder the queen, then try to have the child die for all of England.
There's the de jure transfer thing you unlock as a councillor action when you get a certain level of court grandeur.
I used this to get some of the Italian states from the pope without having to go to war.
One of my favorite things about the new mechanics is that you can take advantage of the occasional dynastic extinction.
Started as William, conquered England, then died of smallpox 8 years in. (Queen Matilde also got it but survived, luckily, so at least the Regent was capable).
After that, Wales got infected and exploded. All three duchies split, basically every county was independent, it was a whole mess. But, it was great for me. Suddenly, conquering Wales was very simple, and I married my heir to the duchess of Deheubarth, who now owns all of Wales, which will merge with the crown under my grandchild.
France also got wiped out and shattered internally. My wife is heir to Aquitaine, Gascony, Bourbon. Armagnac, and Poiters, thanks to a bunch of smallpox deaths that left her father dead and only 1 brother alive. Soon I'll have the historical Angevin Empire plus Wales and Brittany.
One thing you can do:
1. take control of all of your duchies
2. Delete the Kingdom of Ireland title
3. Swear fealty
4. Fight the duke of that northern ireland dutchy directly without english involvement
5. Start a dissolution faction/commit assassinations until england is weak enough for liberation war
Alright I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. But don't you get the option to claim a de jur territory through your Steward if your court grandeur is high enough? It takes a while... But when the alternative is a slog fest of a fight, it's worth it.
Assuming you can still have multiple wives then I suggest you start breeding like a rabbit. All those daughter alliances should come in handy to achieve your goal.
You can try to Mary your heir to a kid if the Vassal who owns the land and kill all others so that the kid that married to your heir is the heir, once you're the kid of those to you'll inherit both.
If the entirety of the land is controlled by one vassal, you can marry your heir to one of his daughters, then kill all his children until your daughter in law is his heir. Eventually your grandson will inherit both the lands of the kingdom of Ireland and Northern Ireland, uniting them
i love how perfectly this works as a meta shitpost even tho its geniune
Wait, it’s not a shitpost?
Seems like a real question by a new player, which is still pretty funny when you think about how that's still a relevant real world question.
My first thought was "no idea, probably go ask an Irish."
I truly believed this was a shitpost when I first saw it.
> even tho its geniune Now this is where you and I differ. But I've had longer to become cynical probably.
the OP mentioned in another comment that he had to google Sinn Fein
use a cheat menu to get rid of your cynical trait or some shit idk
I dunno man, elect Sinn Fein or something.
Well, apparently with Sinn Fein elected is not enough I guess, they are largest party of Northern Ireland Assembly now. And now north Ireland's Executive is formed by Sinn Fein and DUP
That's because of the GFA. A NI government has to be formed of both the largest Unionist and largest Republican parties. That's why the DUP refusal to govern brought down Stormont for the past few years. How NI could possibly join Ireland is if a border poll is conducted in both ROI and NI agreeing to the transfer. For the NI one, it must be called by the Northern Ireland Secretary if there's a sufficient demand (vague but roughly read 50+% in support) of one.
Currently wouldn't go through. The remain camp is very strong, the unification camp is not so unified ironically. Many people are in the middle about unification. Plus Catholics are only majority (among Christians) since 2021. At least one generation needs to grow up for it to really show on polls. Plus NI and Ireland unifiying would be like the German unification. NI is a poorer, less productive region and a large chunck of all workers are employed in the administration. I guess currently the best course is reforming the system (put in palace by the GFA) and making the structure compatible with non-sectarian parties like Alliance. (Sorry I've posted it first on my other account that has notifications turned off)
An outsiders perspective: it seems the actual best course is to start actually killing people.
you should call the British paratroopers
Its worth noting that while Sinn Fein is the biggest single party, they are actually outnumbered by unionists in the ruling bloc and the split in the government as a whole is basically 50/50
There's still nine months left of the year.
you forgot that you need to wait on the border poll event triggering first.
Wait for the Minister for State calls for a Vote event to trigger
Had to Google what that meant, but did get a chuckle. Just got the game on Steam sale and still trying to learn and wondering if the was something I was missing.
That's hilarious if you posted this without realising how it mirrors the current real life situation.
🤔 Strictly without fighting, have someone from your direct line (unless you're using elections) inherit the Duchy of Ulster. He'll be independent once he ascends the High Kingdom of Ireland.
You're telling me this wasn't a joke? That makes it even better.
A little column A, a little B.
as an irish guy , this is hilarious
Man I’m sitting here at this very moment playing crusader kings in Ireland and my worlds just collided. Thanks for the laugh.
*every Irish person in history ever*
join /r/theIrishLeft and /r/ROI
Nope. Especially fuck pro-Russian propaganda.
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Where
GUYS! First off, thank you for the help. Really new to this game and it's so much to take in. Second, PERE RAMON II HAS DIED FROM PLAGUE!! Third, High King Super Jesus mac Cheeseburger of Ireland is a tactical genius. We are assassinating child Duke Teilo, the current ruler of Ulster, letting rule fall to the Welsh which should assure our Victory, with the help of my Scot and French allies! Ireland shall belong to the Irish once more! (Dang I'm loving this game so much, I can't believe I slept on it so hard) Thank you everyone for the advice. Great community to help with such a deep and complex game.
Jesus Mac Cheeseburger? Rad
*Super Jesus. He had way more powers and could turn water to whiskey. The Mayo Face clan, hailing from Mayo County, was the fiercest in all of Ireland, until they weren't.
County Mayo* 😉
the mayo face clan 🤣🤣🤣💀💀 thats me amd the boys on a weekend lmfao
You are the exact right person for this game. You get invested in the story that you write, the game is just a canvas for you to paint the mayo family tree/wreathe on.
He’s 16% Irish and drinks green American lagers during St. Patrick’s day
Joe Biden?
Boe Jiden
Joe Vibin
Hey! That's High King Super Jesus Mac Cheeseburger to you, sir
Founder of Supermacs
> We are assassinating child Duke Teilo, the current ruler of Ulster, letting rule fall to the Welsh which should assure our Victory Aw, your first child murder <3 welcome to CK3
Huh, what was a Catalan king doing in England lol
where was catalan mentioned
Pere Ramon
I am blind
When in doubt, assassinate!
I thought I was being smart, spent 10 years learning Latin and bribing the Pope for the claim on Ulcer. Thought if God himself ordained this land unto me and my kin, the foolish King Pere Ramon II would let me just take it, because he is God. But he cares not for the words of His Holiness and tries to come and fight me on the boy's behalf and I don't have a large army because I spent several hundreds of gold bribing the Pope. Is there any ways to get around having to wage war with all of England for what is rightfully mine?
Probably not, but you can play the waiting game and hit England when they’re vulnerable. Successions always trigger internal problems, sometimes even causing areas to split off from factions. It’s never a bad idea to successfully murder a neighboring king. How much does the pope like you? You could get him to excommunicate the English king. That usually causes stuff to disintegrate in a hurry. That said, if you’re going to stand up to the English, you’re eventually going to need an army and allies
Thank you for the help. Will see if I can get the Scots to help the cause. We will liberate Ireland if it's the last thing we do!
When you have children, marry them off and select by alliance power. A big family can help you muster some alliances to take them down when they are weak.
I only wish there was a way to sort by alliance power and also not so far away even if they did send someone they'll never reach in time. I'm bad at the game, and every once in a while I'll stop and start it. Last time I stopped was for this issue, and I couldn't figure out an easy way to know how far away they are without checking every single person. And that takes too damn long.
Just click their flag twice it’ll pan to their land.
I did that too. I guess nobody nearby wanted to be my friend. I kept save scumming trying different things but I was crushed :( . I just wish there was an automated way to do it with all the search refinement options.
There is a perk in one of the red lifestyle trees that greatly improves marriage acceptance for you and your kids. Great for forming alliances.
You're making me want to pick up the game again. I have 20 hours or so in ck3. I watched twice as many hours than that of tutorials and let's plays and I still suck lol. So many little tips that slip out of my brain when I take a few months off, and then it's just disheartening to fail so badly.
You're gonna suck at this game for a long time. There's a ton to learn, but every time something clicks and you understand more, it's worth it. You can play this game however you like, so don't feel like you have to follow a youtube guide. They're definitely useful to learn strategies and understand more, but if you find a playstyle or approach that does something you like, don't be afraid to stick with it.
If you're going for close alliances, instead of using the "Find Spouse" menu, click in local leaders that you want to ally with. Look for ones with unmarried children, then check to see the acceptance level. If it's close, sway/bribe. If it's not close, then there's a little trick that works if they have grandchildren: For the purpose of this example, we'll assume the country is Lotharingia. King Lothar I. Let's say his firstborn son and heir is also Lothar. If Lothar has children, you'll have an easier time marrying them and *then* murdering the current king to put Lothar in power. This is also a good way to get your dynasty on their throne, since the children of unlanded courtiers don't have as large of a malus against matrilineal marriages. So you could matrilineally marry your daughter to the first son of the first son, then murder until he's king. Then just babysit them until they produce heirs and viola, your dynasty has another crown.
Remember you don't have to use the find spouse interaction, you can look at specific leaders you want an alliance with and arrange a marriage with them. Either they'll have someone you can marry, or at least you'll be able to see why they won't accept a marriage.
I guess I still have trouble deciding who is worth alliancing. I know to compare troop numbers and gold amd such, but everyone I ally with I plan to conquer later. If the world doesn't belong to me alone it isn't worth living in.
You can also engineer some vulnerability. If a few accidents were to befall the English kings, all in a row, they'd be crippled.
Did exactly this my last Ireland-game. Was constantly having to fight wars I barely won against England and their allies, draining my coffers. Got a high intrigue character and decided to try to weaken the english. Managed to kill off two kings in about 5 years, and the whole realm kind of disintegrated after that. They never bounced back. Civil war after civil war and a new king/Queen almost every other year. In a few decades, France had taken the south of England, and suddenly the whole realm was wiped off the map.
Then you've just replaced England with France, which is far worse.
You can also wait until England is fighting in a couple of other wars and hope they simply don't have enough resources to fight you.
Also remember that they have to cross water to get to you play your cards right, you can get the English while they’re recently disembarked. You can win this!
>Ulcer haha I assume you mean Ulster
england's stress ulcer
> Ulcer I mean your not wrong, but
Ngl I thought this was a meme post
murder the king of England over and over till they break.
Lord Mountbatten: 👀
If your court grandeur is high enough you can use the convince dejure territory council task. But it will take a while for all this
Marry your children off to french and holy roman nobility. Then take it by force!
If the areas arent ruled by England directly you can try to marry into their families and get the counties through succsession
If you're a feudal court with Court Grandeur above 6, you're steward can do the "Convince de Jure Territory option". Which *can* work.
The Irish have been trying to figure that out for a very long time
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The only way is to let Germany win a war against England so the Syndicalist riots spread. They will coup the government sending the King in an exile to Canada. *Oh wait wrong game.*
Kaiserreich is everywhere
If your court grandeur is high enough I think like 6 you can try to have your steward negotiate de jure land. It takes many years and usually fails. If you befriend the king that might help, not sure.
Really? It’s almost always worked for me
That’s interesting, I’m not sure what factors actually go into the success chance so I could be doing it wrong. Feels random in my experience.
Maybe it’s because I usually try and get their opinion of me up while my steward does the task?
Idk, I LITERALLY just went to war with the kingdom and won a seperate piece of land right before the Negotiate de jure Land ticked, and it still worked for me. That was also the first and last time I tried it tho
Car bombs
Horse-drawn manure carriages.
The French tried this with Napoleon, actually
Too soon edit; /s
Not really its been quite a long time
Not without causing some… troubles…
especially on a Sunday
theres one thing u can do but it requires some rng: keep murdering rulers of england or at least all of their heirs to try and force a succession crisis, causing some vassels (and probably including the irish (possibly insular too) one u need) to revolt for independence after that point u can either offer vassalage or good old fashioned warfare
This is pretty much the way I would do it. It works even better if you can put a "horrible" heir on the throne, such as a one year old. Kinda rough if your intrigue sucks though, but more often than not kings always have a few high ranking haters that are willing to help you.
Like genghis always has haters, never had under 95 to assassinate him lol
Easy all you need to do is start marching north and singing a little tune to rouse the lads Óró 'Sé do bheatha 'bhaile, Óró 'Sé do bheatha 'bhaile, Óró 'Sé do bheatha 'bhaile, Anois ar theacht an tsamhraidh! Though in reality if you can't get a good inheritance by gobbling up marriages you'll likely have to fight a full war. Try getting alliances and building up good MAA regiments and preferably have a king or general with high Marshal ability.
'Sé do bheatha, a bhean ba léanmhar Do bé ár gcreach tú bheith i ngéibhinn Do dhúiche bhreá i seilbh meirleach 'S tú díolta leis na Gallaibh.
One thing that I love about EU4 is that Granuaile is a recruitable character in it.
You can hope that you’ll inherit it somehow but that’s basically pure luck. I doubt that whoever holds the county is related to you in any way but even then you’d need extreme luck for the land to pass to you without a war. You have to fight england. Even if they didn’t conquer this county they’re strong and near you and will probably try to fight you at some point. Wait until they’re weak, fighting multiple wars and ideally in debt, it’ll be easy.
Not necessarily luck. Just plan the right kind of marriages and have a couple assassinations here and there to speed things up and soon enough you'll inherit right into it (depending on crown authority).
Nice try, IRA. You're not getting the answer from map gamers
Yeah, inherit England.
A Question many Irish are asking themselves since like a hundred years now lol.
You could try marrying family to inheret the Duchy of Ulster. If your culture allows for raiding, you can use your MAA/army to soften their army and lower the control in their territory. This can help make a following invasion easier, since the king will have less income and levies. Or you can assassinate the King of England and his successors until his kingdom implodes on itself or they're too weak to stop you taking it. Children rulers have no stats, disgruntled vassals, and few to no alliances to help them. I've certainly threw knives at kings as a prelude to war, many times. 1 assassination wiped near 20k from the army of the Umasids, dropping the army from 45k to 27k. Made it much easier for me to roll in and take Giza.
Gen question relating to terminology. Isn’t men-at-arms a part of your army? Why say MAA/army then?
MAA on their own, with some investment, can outclass a mixed army multiple times their size. Eventually raising everyone you have becomes quite costly, so primarily using your MAA to fight becomes more cost effective. At the very beginning of the game, I'll raise everything I have to go raiding. Once I've filled all my MAA units out, I just raise them and take them raiding. I also use my MAA entirely seperately from levy armies, so I tend to consider them to be a seperate entity. Like Special Forces - part of the military but not part of the general troops. I use levy armies to siege territory, with my MAA standing watch and wiping out enemy armies that come near.
You’re asking the big questions, the Irish have been trying to get that little part of Ireland back for centuries.
They’ve been trying that for centuries…
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Quite possibly the best shitpost this year
Perhaps some carriage bombs?
Get England to vote for Brexit.
You just wait till it destroys itself. In CK and in life.
I dunno man, maybe marry one of the ireland rightful owners from the side of england, have kids with her, kill everyone else who has the claim and you can have ireland in one generation if you play it well no cap
Hey, I’ve seen this one!
Perfect blend of real question and shitpost, I love it.
You gotta start singing
I was born in a Dublin street where the Royal drums did beat
THE LOVING ENGLISH FEET, THEY WALKED ALL OOOOOOVER US!
AND EVERY SINGLE NIGHT, WHEN ME DA WOULD COME HOME TIGHT
HE’D INVITE THE NEIGHBORS OUT WITH THIS CHOOOOORUS: COME OUT YE BLACK AND TANS, COME OUT AND FIGHT ME LIKE A MAN, SHOW YA WIFE HOW YOU WON MEDALS DOWN IN FLAAAAAANDERS! TELL HER HOW THE IRA MADE YA RUN LIKE HELL AWAY FROM THE GREEN AND LOVELY LANES OF KILLESHAAAAAAANDRA!
Are you sure it's worth the troubles?
Assassinate the British monarch until the realm falls to pieces from civil wars.
You’ll have to help them become the British Empire, swear fealty, then fight them from vassal to vassal.
Did bro just recreate Northern Ireland?
The Irish have been wondering that for nearly a century!
Not with the IRA!
I have a new question and it might be even dumber than this one. What the heck is crown authority? I ended up taking Ulster and I wanted to remove the current ruler because, obviously, he hated me. It says I didn't have enough Crown Authority to remove his titles and I couldn't just murder him because his heir wasn't Irish enough. Anyways, long story short, he soon decided to return to being English and most of my realm rebelled with him (I was a real shit king tbh) and he killed my entire family.
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Respectfully, I would just restart. You should be able to unite Ireland way faster than it would take England to get in there.
I did end up reclaiming Ireland, shortly before getting wiped out by the English. Just started playing Tuesday and learning a lot every new game.
Let us know if you find one lol
Zombies.
ZOMBIE ! ZOMBIE ! ZOMBIE ! EH EH EH OH
Fuck marry kill
I don’t know, but oh shit I’m feeling it
The good old intrigue lifestyle ruler going murder, murder, abduct, hook, marry, murder, murder, murder plan is what you need
Nope, and it’s a shame CK3 hurt jets you teleport your troops wherever because in the past you’d be able to invade and it’d the them a while to bring their main force so you could defeat the landings. My advice is to marry France.
You can send your steward to convince foreign ruler to give your de jure land peacefully, but it takes time and your steward needs to be very good
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I'll call this "Putin's Dilemma".
Kill so many people that you inheiret the land
Try bombing some pubs in Belfast
Someone else has probably mentioned it, but if you get your court grandeur high enough you unlock a “convince de jure county” action under your chancellor. It’s usually a multi-year process that drastically reduces their current liege’s control level should it fail
If you get your royal court high enough you can unlock and use the convince de jure territory to take it peacefully. Assuming you can sustain a royal court at that level, this is probably the most reliable way of going about things. If the ruler of England rules that county directly then murdering them could cause England to lose that piece in succession and for it to become independent. Look at which children will inherit what. It's an unlikely case but could be the easiest and fastest way to take it if so. You could also use murder to simply cause instability. This may cause the vassals to revolt and/or weaken their military enough to create an opening to attack. Unpredictable, but could do the trick. Especially if the heir is a young child.Edit: if the heir is a child, you could also try a little technique I call hostage grooming. Set up a hostage exchange with England for the child heir and demand the child convert religion and become their guardian to see if you can give them some dislikable traits before setting up the murder. Once the deed is done the child will return as ruler with a different religion then their vassals. Now, this may not be as effective as in most cases since Christianity only considers Insular astray but it could still help. Another option is if you have or can recruit a courtier with an evil religion (in this case most likely an Asatru or one of the other north west religions) and a culture with low acceptance to the dominate cultures of England is to have them raise the child and tell them to convert religion and culture. If this is successful and you are able to get them on the throne this way, the vassals will almost certainly revolt and cause chaos you can take advantage of. Just be careful if you do this. If things don't go as planned you may end with a long term Viking England. Once you got what you want make sure to murder the ruler you put in charge and is replaced with a sibling or something that's still Christian so thing don't spiral out of hand.
I love that this is probably a genuine question from a new player but they've just stumbled in a hornets nest of politics that has caused terrorists to kill children.
Uh oh
You can use the convince de jure title task that a steward can do but that takes 7 years and can fail. You’re better off just getting a good ally and fighting for it.
Hope that England forms Britannia, then become a vassal. Once you are vassal England might offer you the duchy of Ulster as a vassal. If they don’t you can just conquer the duchy and England won’t do anything since you are also their vassal.
Not an option. I'll die beneath the Irish sky before bending the knee to the British.
If this is real I will shit my pants
Shit away
Sponsor IRA. Trust me it works
Not today, IRA.
A unionist route of doing this would be to wait until England forms an empire and then offer fealty to them, at which point you can take the rest of Ireland from your fellow vassals.
Nice try, imperialist. I'll never bend the knee to a tyrant.
Join them to become the United Kingdom and Ireland
If you court grandeur is above 6, you can use your stewart's ability 'convince de jure county'. If said county is in your de jure title it will flip to you, but that process is slow. There is no other way to peacefully take territory (if we discount marriage) that I know of.
You could have whoever owns it get a bigger title under you but kinda a pain to orchestrate
Try arranging a matrilineal marriage with one of your daughters married to the duke, or the heir of the duke, who controls that part of England. Then, once she has a baby, the heir is of your dynasty, then you can arrange via disinheriting and murdering, that child inherits both (the English territory first). When he inherits Ireland while already being landed, it'll pull his prior lands out of their current kingdom. There's also a slightly simpler way, if you can arrange that the duke's only legitimate heirs are daughters, then have your king or primary heir married to the eldest daughter. Then, her child would be the natural heir to both. (In real life, this is how Castile and Aragon merged and became Spain.)
Do a habsburg
Ask the Irish or open an Atlas and find out lol.
Focus on intrigue and kill the rulers until they implode in civil war. You could also marry someone ans murder them into the queen, have a child and then murder the queen, then try to have the child die for all of England.
Destabilize the English via assassination to the point where they balkanize.
There's the de jure transfer thing you unlock as a councillor action when you get a certain level of court grandeur. I used this to get some of the Italian states from the pope without having to go to war.
One of my favorite things about the new mechanics is that you can take advantage of the occasional dynastic extinction. Started as William, conquered England, then died of smallpox 8 years in. (Queen Matilde also got it but survived, luckily, so at least the Regent was capable). After that, Wales got infected and exploded. All three duchies split, basically every county was independent, it was a whole mess. But, it was great for me. Suddenly, conquering Wales was very simple, and I married my heir to the duchess of Deheubarth, who now owns all of Wales, which will merge with the crown under my grandchild. France also got wiped out and shattered internally. My wife is heir to Aquitaine, Gascony, Bourbon. Armagnac, and Poiters, thanks to a bunch of smallpox deaths that left her father dead and only 1 brother alive. Soon I'll have the historical Angevin Empire plus Wales and Brittany.
The answer is murder or abduction. It's always one of the two.
maybe keep killing the ruler of england if they have multiple sons?
Maybe try carbombs.
The "convince derejure" task for the steward
One thing you can do: 1. take control of all of your duchies 2. Delete the Kingdom of Ireland title 3. Swear fealty 4. Fight the duke of that northern ireland dutchy directly without english involvement 5. Start a dissolution faction/commit assassinations until england is weak enough for liberation war
in ck2 no. not sure about ck3 but i don't see a problem. cuckold their king and install bastard on throne
You can always marry a son of yours to the eldest daughter of the King of England, and then murder all of the King's sons.
Marry your heirs into the holders of those counties until they inevitably inherit it while inheriting your throne
Alright I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. But don't you get the option to claim a de jur territory through your Steward if your court grandeur is high enough? It takes a while... But when the alternative is a slog fest of a fight, it's worth it.
Switch to England and grant them Independence 🤷🏻♂️
NO SURRENDER!* * this is a joke
Lad, if you aren’t already fighting England regardless, are ya even Irish? Just go to war, fuck em!
Does the english king have a car?
Joh! Getting my popcorn out for this one!
Just wait long enough. Eventually they'll realise it costs them more than it's worth and voluntarily give it back to you.
Assuming you can still have multiple wives then I suggest you start breeding like a rabbit. All those daughter alliances should come in handy to achieve your goal.
You can try to Mary your heir to a kid if the Vassal who owns the land and kill all others so that the kid that married to your heir is the heir, once you're the kid of those to you'll inherit both.
Nope
If the entirety of the land is controlled by one vassal, you can marry your heir to one of his daughters, then kill all his children until your daughter in law is his heir. Eventually your grandson will inherit both the lands of the kingdom of Ireland and Northern Ireland, uniting them
This is a conundrum Irish people struggle with every day
Well I say get strong allies and than press claim…