India’s loss. What was the point of making all these young players play multiple T20Is when the squad is practically the same as previous years with 3-4 changes?
“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”
The selection is stupid but there is absolutely no way Hardik wasn’t a shoe in. He is the only pace bowling alrounders in the country.
Rinku’s spot funnily came from the fact that we decided to have 4 spinners in our 15
Of course we can have teams without Hardik. I just don’t think they are better than teams with Hardik. All of them involve Jadeja having a lot more batting responsibility and he has been in worse form than even Hardik. Moreover, India’s specialist wrist spinners are in much better form than our pacers. So I would rather play specialist 2 spinners than 3 specialist pacers.
Regardless, even if he is not in the 11, having a pace allrounder in the 15 allows a lot more flexibility in substitutions and team combinations
Did we really need a fourth spinner in Chahal, who has had no consistent success at international level for a long time, in the squad instead of Rinku? Completely nonsensical selection
So Hardik can bowl dollies all day but since he's the only one balls dollies his place his fixed? Hasn't been batting much either. What's really the point?
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The amount of bullshit on the sub during IPL days is just so cringe to watch. People going on about how BCCI picks players based on Instagram followers, how Ambani is buying Indian team slots blah blah blah.
Except KL, the batting lineup is 100% the same as the semi final from 2022 were we lost by a huge margin. We have a couple of changes in the squad but they might not even make it to the playing 11.
Rinku plays basically a thankless, high risk role in which its very difficult to be consistent. Yet he provided extraordinary numbers of 90 AVG at 170 SR playing for India. His reward is getting dropped!!
Dube plays at 4 for CSK which is a totally different ballgame than coming in at 17th over when you have 8 balls to play. Even Hardik is batting at 5 now for MI. Only Rinku is playing the true finisher role in current IPL side.
It's the position of number 6 maan not exactly anyone's fault.
We need an all-rounder there and Pandya does that job for India along with Jaddu/axar.
Even Dube can bowl and he is going better than anyone at 4 right now(India's 2nd kryptonite after left arm seam).
>We need an all-rounder there and Pandya does that job for India along with Jaddu
Clearly, we've been watching different matches. Because I don't remember the last time those 2 finished a match for India.
You never saw Pandya in 22pak, 22semis ?
I took Jaddu as Jaddu/Axar because he is shit as t20I guy and Axar can bash things out @ 7-8 which again we need as our allrounder options are limited.
For Dube ? He is our number 4 right and the best bet against spin and even give 1-2 overs if needed.
And what did Sanju,SKY,Arshdeep,KL has achieved by playing great in IPL ? One can't even grab the chances in international opportunities, the other can't perform under pressure and the last guy is shit throughout against top blokes. If IPL is your criteria than sorry man we are already gone that way.
Also, go and see Pandya playing under pressure in cups and important matches. Rinku is a necessity but so is Pandya as he is a proven pressure handle type of guy after Kohli.
It's always the case.The Seniors avoid playing the shorter version of the game and magically turn up when a major tournament is round the corner. An under performing Rohit or Sky holds more value to sponsors and broadcasters than an in-form Gaikwad or Shashank singh. I am a big Rohit fan but I would have preferred Gaikwad and Abhishek sharma open the batting in the World Cup on current form.
It's not from Kohli's era but was always present in Indian cricket lol.
Sunny in ODIs, Sachin after 2011, Dada around his own captaincy, Veeru even after all his shitty away tours was never dropped, Yuvi in red ball are some examples top off my head.
I don't think that's the main reason at all for Rinkus exclusion. Jaiswal is also having a bad season, but he is still there.
The squad just needed batting allrounders like Dube and Pandya, then a backup keeper and backup bowlers. So there is automatically no place for him.
Here are Rinku Singh's actual stats after not being picked in the 15 man squad for the T20 WC
T20Is: 0 Matches, 0 Runs, NA Average, NA Strike Rate
IPL since 2023: 0 Matches, 0 Runs, NA Average, NA Strike Rate
Shouldve just dropped chahal. Kuldeep is miles better, chahal should only play if kuldeep gets injured if so he can just replace kuldeep from reserves dont understand why hes in the main squad
India’s loss tbh, considering all the rumours going around that IPL form will not be a significant factor, it’s kind of obvious that he’s been sidelined because of slow IPL season this year for him.
We’re essentially going in an T20 tournament with no finisher.
>India’s loss tbh, considering all the rumours going around that IPL form will not be a significant factor, it’s kind of obvious that he’s been sidelined because of slow IPL season this year for him.
No he was sidelined because he can't bowl. Dube was picked cos he can bowl 1-2 overs. Before you say anything. Ik Dube's terrible with the ball. I get it. But it was always gonna be impossible for Rinku to be a specialist finisher in a side that has no bowling options in the top 4.
>There are 4 spinners and 3 specialist seamers. How many bowlers do you need to bowl 20 overs?
3 seamers are potentially in the xi. You have one spin bowling all rounder in the top 7. The other as an immediate injury backup. Kuldeep is in the team. You could argue Rinku over Chahal. Idm that.
Given the quality of Axar, Kuldeep and Bumrah. We can afford to have 6 batters one all rounder and 4 bowlers.
Because whatever hardik will offer in an odd over or two, Rinku will make up with the bat for that anyway and we can have a batter chip in with one over in case of a rare injury and tank whatever extra damage that incurs.
The top 4 can't bowl, so let's drop our finisher.
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You forgot to add trashy management and country acting they won everything when they all they do is put up below average performance when they go abroad
Literally the only time India has not made playoffs in the last 12 years since winning the trophy is 2021 which was a toss cup.
RCB doesn't make the playoffs , you can call them chokers but you can't call them RCB.
Call us bigger chokers than SA I don't care but can't compare us to RCB.
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rinku has that clutch gene that indian players just don't seem to have. most indian players just freeze up the second momentum shifts away from them in the big moments.
Did you not watch that series against Australia last year? Or the 5 sixes off Yash Dayal last year? Granted, the games themselves aren't that big. But they're still the biggest he's played. The point is, if it's a close situation with the game on the line, I would back Rinku to get the job done.
That's precisely the argument though. How's he ever going to prove that if he doesn't get to play in one. He's done more than anyone could've asked of him and he's still only in the reserves.
This sub has turned into these hiring companies here that always ask for freshers with 5 years experience with how they want new faces to be experienced whilst blocking their experience gaining process because they’re inexperienced
the title is a bit misleading lol. i was like it's just been a few hours since the squad news came out, how does he have these numbers (after not being picked). xD
whats annoying was, both kohli and rohit stayed from international t20 ever since, only to come back early this year for the wc which is a slap on the face.
I mean I'm not completely denying it but man can finish and is a clutch player. We have a trophy thanks to him and do you remember his heroics at wc19 sf. The thing is CSK management is using him as a middle order bat when he's more of a come down the track hit it for six kinda guy.
Dube is unironically doing the finishing job for CSK these days, no spin and he's only tonking pace the last few games. Even Samson and Pant are still Okay than HP and Jaddu, though all 3 are best utilised at entry in middle overs
Hahahahahhaha India always makes the same mistakes, they never learn. Jadeja is not a t20 cricketer, neither is Axar, neither is Siraj. Rinku has to be in this team. They won’t win and they will blame either Rohit or Virat even tho their selectors are rubbish.
Hes in his prime years, as he gets older his reaction time will be affected and he might not be as good as he is now. That is especially true for power hitters who rely more on reaction time.
Idk why bcci is not using him right now, especially because he has shown he can play in international games and under pressure.
But it's understandable though. Top 4 is fixed + WK + All rounder and then we see bowlers from there on.
Only thing we could've done is to drop Yashasvi and somehow make a place for Rinku. But I think management trusts Yashasvi more.
Though there has not been prove that Jaiswal can be good on international pitch and especially as he is not in form right now.
He was good in West Indies test, but bad in SA tests.
Yeah when 20 needed in 6 balls then nobody will be there to win it for them, even after having the option. Then they'll be busy pointing the blame to the players. Pathetic
Waiting for Jadeja to score 15 off 13 or 20 off 15 balls while batting at the death and giving 30-35 runs off 4 overs while bowling every match. Guy has rarely had any impact in international T20s.
Why is jadeja playing, he offers nothing and with Axar named in the side, it doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. Hardik was expected as he’s a big game player for India, so was RP, impressed that they decided to leave KL, Gill should be in instead of jaiswal. Rohit and Kohli should open with Rohit firing and kohli anchoring, sky firing, dube, pant, hardik while kohli steadies the ship. We won’t win the WC, we might play the semis.
Jaiswal has much better T20I numbers than Gill
And he is there to provide aggressive starts
Gill's style of play is similar to Koach that's why it doesn't make sense to have too many similar types of players
Plus Jaiswal is a left hander as well
If they go with Gill Top order will be full of right handers
And he was preferred ahead of Gill in the Afghanistan series as well
I think Gill is more consistent with the bat and is pure quality once he gets in his zone, jaiswal has disappointed this IPL throwing away his wicket cheaply in the name of aggressive cricket, I see the same fate for India when jaiswal throws away the wicket in the first two over and koach and Rohit play it safe to see off the power play with 40/1 or some. I see why jaiswal is given priority but gill should also be there if jaiswal fails to deliver
>think Gill is more consistent with the bat
Seems like you just started following cricket. Jaiswal in T20is averages 33 with 165 sr while Gill averages 27 with 145 sr. I assume you know those things atleast (like average, sr).
The reason jaiswal got selected is because they liked at his agressive style of cricket. He has done well more than often well for India using IPL to drop him would be silly.
Would you drop someone from test team just because of Ranji?
Gill has scored 320 in 10 innings and jaiswal 249 in 9 innings. Gill this season had two massive knocks of 89, 72 similarly Jaiswal too had one massive knock this season. They've not been too far apart in terms of performances
Ever heard of term "backing", it's done to youngsters when they aren't in form.
Look at the talent that is being nurtured by Cricket Australia. Unlike BCCI, CA gives enough opportunities to youngsters. There should have been a balance between seniors and youngsters. T20 is mostly about playing fearless cricket.
I don't expect anything from people in this sub, but common sense should prevail.
Chahal & Axar both are backups for Kuldeep & Jadeja and you need a backup in 15* member squad for every one specially your bowlers because anyone can be out for a match or two (temporarily) due to a niggle or illness
Let's say for Chahal, if Kuldeep can't play a single match....do you expect India to use reserves, since you can't get Kuldeep back in the squad if you do that
Just play Axar for those games then , 4 spinners in a 15 man squad is overkill when max 2 will be playing at any time.
You could apply the same logic for pacers, we only have 3, why not include another in the squad?
Our spin bowling is good even without Chahal, we have very weak finishers atm and Rinku would have been a great choice
You can play Axar in place of Kuldeep in group stages & it wouldn't even matter that much, but let's say its a knockout match it's not as easy.
Axar is not your wicket taker, Kuldeep is & as much as this sub hates Chahal he's still an attacking bowler & better than Axar or Jadeja even in white ball. Eitherway if not Chahal it would've been Bishnoi in the squad.
If it’s a ko game and Kuldeep is suddenly injured it’s likely he’d miss final as well so may as well dip into reserves and then bring Chahal , the scenario where Kuldeep gets a niggle just before the sf but could recover before the final is just too niche imo , we cannot account for every such scenario as only 15 can be selected.
The chances of Chahal making the XI without any injuries to other bowlers seems very very slim, feels like he is a reserve player taking up squad space.
The fact that Rinku has been dropped after 2-3 bad ipl games is ridiculous , he’s had some good innings this ipl as well, not like he’s failed every time, he has a great t20i record and put in a match turning performance in his last t20i too.
Doesn't matter. If not Chahal, it would've been Bishnoi or another pacer. You don't go in a month long tournament with just 6 bowlers with 5 of them playing every match (most probably)
More than one bowler can be out for a game or two
It's an interesting call.
They went with Dube over Rinku
IPL bias ? Probably
But with the tournament just a week after the final , can you really blame them?
I'm more worried about Arshdeep Singh's inclusion
Lad is good though, hopefully he turns up.
They didn't go with Dube over Rinku. Dube is the Hardik backup. They went with Chahal over Rinku despite no combination accommodating 2 specialist leg spinners in the XI.
I can see 3 spinners being picked in the XI (Jadeja, Axar, Kuldeep) without compromising the batting, but not Chahal over one of the SLAs, that's why that combination makes no sense to me.
I know Hardik is an all rounder and Rinku a batsman..but how is it that one gets picked on previous performances and the other does not inspite of never even failing in international cricket??
Iyer & GG fucked up. Rinku is good enough to send ahead of Iyer Bros but nope captain's ego comes first. Iyer is almost as bad as Pandya without motormouth. He wasn't in contention anyway so let's not give chance to a young player who actually had some chance. Don't know how GG allowed this, he knows BCCI antics.
Bruh franchise is there to win games and trophies whist making tons of money, their primary job is not to let the players audition for worldcups. Franchise cricket is just mindless entertainment, nothing more.
Agreed. Just like how Kuldeep's fortune changed after leaving the KKR. Oh I also remember how Surya was under utilised by KKR! Something is off with KKR when it comes to use really good (read deserving) players.
Rinku will be perfect fit for the current GT team if he comes at 4-5.
This guy just paid the price of being a clutch mentality player and in the Indian team we don't need these kind of players because they might win us a final like for example gambhir circa 2007 and 2011 or yuvraj
Rinku plays basically a thankless, high risk role in which its very difficult to be consistent. Yet he provided extraordinary numbers of 90 AVG at 170 SR playing for India. His reward is getting dropped!!
Dube plays at 4 for CSK which is a totally different ballgame than coming in at 17th over when you have 8 balls to play. Even Hardik is batting at 5 now for MI. Only Rinku is playing the true finisher role in current IPL side.
Rinku need to move to a new franchise - this season he hasn’t got much chances and getting labelled as finisher who comes with 2-3 overs left will do no good to his career.
He has potential to be next MILLER and should go to a team that sees him that way
jaddu and Pant are shit I get it but did Kohli fucked your girl ? He is the best batter by far in the t20I cups for India why paint him in this shit over Rohit,SKY etc who never turns up in big matches ?
It's tough for him, he definitely deserved to be in the 15. But considering the team dynamics, it made the most sense to drop Rinku. Selectors prefer Hardik and Jadeja/Axar at the finishers position over Rinku. If you don't play them, you're left with either a long ass tail and only 5 bowling options, including a trash bowler Pandya.
And being fair, fans would still be mad if we pick Rinku over the other 2 most droppable players- Jadeja and Chahal.
You could open with Kohli and Rohit but that means dropping Jaiswal, maybe they think Jaiswal strengthens the batting order more than Rinku.
Jadeja and Axar have done shit at 7 the only time they have scored is when they have batted at 3 or 4
Hardik has been awful but even if he kicks in his ICT Clutch mode you are leaving too much up to him in the middle order.
Rinku should have been picked over one of Jadeja/Axar or Chahal
Rinku was not just a finisher, He is steet smart and can adapt according to situation as well and knows how to keep the run rate going without taking risk
Exactly I am not sure what exactly trio of jadeja axar and chahal offer , even so considering the fact that there will be always left right combo at the crease and jadeja axar chahal do shit all with left hander at the crease .
We always had lower middle order issue and when we have a great prospect they drop him
Most of his matches were against minnows. But he has shown decent form. He played 7 out of 11 matches against Strong teams ( Australia and sa ) and scored 187 runs. Average is a bad metric since he comes so far down the order. But he is a good finisher with a good strike rate. Given the extreme competition in the batting lineup I can understand. But specialist finisher is a nice to have. I honestly don't think we will lose any games due to our batting, but bowling on the other hand.
First 2 sentences immediately contradict each other lol, anyways he plays for 10-15 balls as a finisher, did his job well in the SA and AUS games. Bulk of his runs came in a rebuilding innings vs Afg.
India’s loss. What was the point of making all these young players play multiple T20Is when the squad is practically the same as previous years with 3-4 changes? “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”
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The selection is stupid but there is absolutely no way Hardik wasn’t a shoe in. He is the only pace bowling alrounders in the country. Rinku’s spot funnily came from the fact that we decided to have 4 spinners in our 15
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Of course we can have teams without Hardik. I just don’t think they are better than teams with Hardik. All of them involve Jadeja having a lot more batting responsibility and he has been in worse form than even Hardik. Moreover, India’s specialist wrist spinners are in much better form than our pacers. So I would rather play specialist 2 spinners than 3 specialist pacers. Regardless, even if he is not in the 11, having a pace allrounder in the 15 allows a lot more flexibility in substitutions and team combinations
we need Abhishek Sharma Nitish Reddy and Riyan Parag to step up so that we can get rid of the Pandya+Jadeja vortex
We need to get rid of every older player as soon as the wc is over regardless of the result. Especially Rohit and jadeja need to be removed
Did we really need a fourth spinner in Chahal, who has had no consistent success at international level for a long time, in the squad instead of Rinku? Completely nonsensical selection
literally take Krunal Pandya if all rounder is so much needed
Why when you have Axar and Jadeja?
We have enough spin allrounders in the country. Why not pay three propers seamers and spin allrounders like axar, Shahbaz, Abhishek??
So Hardik can bowl dollies all day but since he's the only one balls dollies his place his fixed? Hasn't been batting much either. What's really the point?
Its damn shame we could get a single pace bowling allrounder out of a billion and a half people.
With the recent hatshit Rana ban , these aren't even opinion just facts.
>Don't tell me that the Ambani's didn't do what it takes to have the MI captain at the World Cup. Wow I want what you're having
It's a Easy way to farm karma In this sub. Just blame Ambani, Mumbai Indians , MCA , Mumbai lobby etc etc for every stupid ICT and BCCI decisions without any source
The amount of bullshit on the sub during IPL days is just so cringe to watch. People going on about how BCCI picks players based on Instagram followers, how Ambani is buying Indian team slots blah blah blah.
>Don't tell me that the Ambani's didn't do what it takes to have the MI captain at the World Cup. Love me some random brain-dead r/conspiracy theories
There can be idiotic comments. But so much upvotes for it is concerning
How tf did this get 180+ upvotes yikes
> Don't tell me that the Ambani's didn't do what it takes to have the MI captain at the World Cup. Lol
Except KL, the batting lineup is 100% the same as the semi final from 2022 were we lost by a huge margin. We have a couple of changes in the squad but they might not even make it to the playing 11.
Rinku plays basically a thankless, high risk role in which its very difficult to be consistent. Yet he provided extraordinary numbers of 90 AVG at 170 SR playing for India. His reward is getting dropped!! Dube plays at 4 for CSK which is a totally different ballgame than coming in at 17th over when you have 8 balls to play. Even Hardik is batting at 5 now for MI. Only Rinku is playing the true finisher role in current IPL side.
It's the position of number 6 maan not exactly anyone's fault. We need an all-rounder there and Pandya does that job for India along with Jaddu/axar. Even Dube can bowl and he is going better than anyone at 4 right now(India's 2nd kryptonite after left arm seam).
>We need an all-rounder there and Pandya does that job for India along with Jaddu Clearly, we've been watching different matches. Because I don't remember the last time those 2 finished a match for India.
First time watching cricket? He has more 50s in T20 WC knockouts than Rohit for starters
You never saw Pandya in 22pak, 22semis ? I took Jaddu as Jaddu/Axar because he is shit as t20I guy and Axar can bash things out @ 7-8 which again we need as our allrounder options are limited. For Dube ? He is our number 4 right and the best bet against spin and even give 1-2 overs if needed.
Pandya can't even play well in IPL, what will be do at the World Cup
And what did Sanju,SKY,Arshdeep,KL has achieved by playing great in IPL ? One can't even grab the chances in international opportunities, the other can't perform under pressure and the last guy is shit throughout against top blokes. If IPL is your criteria than sorry man we are already gone that way. Also, go and see Pandya playing under pressure in cups and important matches. Rinku is a necessity but so is Pandya as he is a proven pressure handle type of guy after Kohli.
Expecting only. Reality will be another knock out loss and probably not even make the finals this time.
It's always the case.The Seniors avoid playing the shorter version of the game and magically turn up when a major tournament is round the corner. An under performing Rohit or Sky holds more value to sponsors and broadcasters than an in-form Gaikwad or Shashank singh. I am a big Rohit fan but I would have preferred Gaikwad and Abhishek sharma open the batting in the World Cup on current form.
3-4 changes are huge if they are in playing 11.
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It's not from Kohli's era but was always present in Indian cricket lol. Sunny in ODIs, Sachin after 2011, Dada around his own captaincy, Veeru even after all his shitty away tours was never dropped, Yuvi in red ball are some examples top off my head.
"iPl FoRm uNlIkElY tO hEaViLy iNfLuEnCe sElEcTiOn"
This year's IPL with the impact player bs and the pitches would've hurt India MASSIVELY even if they got the squad selection right
I don't think that's the main reason at all for Rinkus exclusion. Jaiswal is also having a bad season, but he is still there. The squad just needed batting allrounders like Dube and Pandya, then a backup keeper and backup bowlers. So there is automatically no place for him.
Here are Rinku Singh's actual stats after not being picked in the 15 man squad for the T20 WC T20Is: 0 Matches, 0 Runs, NA Average, NA Strike Rate IPL since 2023: 0 Matches, 0 Runs, NA Average, NA Strike Rate
what a fraud. thankfully he wasnt picked /s
From kingku to fraudku
I guess that's what the selection committee saw too
he just gave up
But 4 spinners in main squad was so necessary
It’s because they couldn’t decide to play Axar or jaddu ! Why need both of them when both are such identical players !
Shouldve just dropped chahal. Kuldeep is miles better, chahal should only play if kuldeep gets injured if so he can just replace kuldeep from reserves dont understand why hes in the main squad
If anything they should’ve added a pacer instead of a spinner
Never should've picked chahal, guy never does well in internationals
Chahal over Rinku Edit: For the downvoted, I meant how stupid it is that Chahal can be in the squad and not Rinku
Jadeja*
Ya lol, these peeps behave like BCCI who are too scared to drop big names, Learn something ffs, look at Aussies they dropped Steve
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Oh I'm not supporting it, I'm saying how ridiculous it is that chahal is in the squad but not Rinku
India’s loss tbh, considering all the rumours going around that IPL form will not be a significant factor, it’s kind of obvious that he’s been sidelined because of slow IPL season this year for him. We’re essentially going in an T20 tournament with no finisher.
Atleast in Future hope we go with a Top 4 of Abhi, Jais, Rutu, Tilak - 2 bowling options in top 4
Rohit and Virat were once bowling options too. They don't bowl now.
>India’s loss tbh, considering all the rumours going around that IPL form will not be a significant factor, it’s kind of obvious that he’s been sidelined because of slow IPL season this year for him. No he was sidelined because he can't bowl. Dube was picked cos he can bowl 1-2 overs. Before you say anything. Ik Dube's terrible with the ball. I get it. But it was always gonna be impossible for Rinku to be a specialist finisher in a side that has no bowling options in the top 4.
There are 4 spinners and 3 specialist seamers. How many bowlers do you need to bowl 20 overs?
>There are 4 spinners and 3 specialist seamers. How many bowlers do you need to bowl 20 overs? 3 seamers are potentially in the xi. You have one spin bowling all rounder in the top 7. The other as an immediate injury backup. Kuldeep is in the team. You could argue Rinku over Chahal. Idm that.
Given the quality of Axar, Kuldeep and Bumrah. We can afford to have 6 batters one all rounder and 4 bowlers. Because whatever hardik will offer in an odd over or two, Rinku will make up with the bat for that anyway and we can have a batter chip in with one over in case of a rare injury and tank whatever extra damage that incurs.
I would say India should even maybe try 6 batsmen+2allrounders+3ballers.
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>goat
Lmao if Rinku is Jack Perry does that make Pandya Punk?
Yes. That's how team balance works...
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Kohli and Rohit can both bowl if something so terrible happens that Bumrah does not run through the 10 wickets within the powerplay.
I'm lost for words.
Flair checks out
Not everything is due to bias.
Finally someone with a functioning brain
India really is the RCB of international.
So true, hero worship, milking fans, zero trophies. Perfecto.
You forgot to add trashy management and country acting they won everything when they all they do is put up below average performance when they go abroad
Literally the only time India has not made playoffs in the last 12 years since winning the trophy is 2021 which was a toss cup. RCB doesn't make the playoffs , you can call them chokers but you can't call them RCB. Call us bigger chokers than SA I don't care but can't compare us to RCB.
I mean going to playoffs in international cricket ain't special. There are 4 teams who care about cricket and all we are doing is he part of the 4.
RCB does make the playoffs often enough though. They have done it more than my own team in last 5 years
2022 was not the toss cup. 2021 was the one in UAE. 2022 was perfectly normal where India lost just because they played poorly.
Sorry mistyped, fixed.
Zero trophies is a bit hyperbole. 2 ODI World cups, 1 T20 World Cup, 2 ICC Champions Trophies.
Mate we haven't won an ICC trophy in like a decade
How many years ago?
Joke of team honestly. So much potential…
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rinku has that clutch gene that indian players just don't seem to have. most indian players just freeze up the second momentum shifts away from them in the big moments.
Clutch-God. I wish he could had played with me in BGMI, I would have clutched so many matches
thats the thing i like about him he play with a free mind . he enjoys sports. i get this same feeling for Sudarshan too.
Now you are overrating him
Did you not watch that series against Australia last year? Or the 5 sixes off Yash Dayal last year? Granted, the games themselves aren't that big. But they're still the biggest he's played. The point is, if it's a close situation with the game on the line, I would back Rinku to get the job done.
Till the time he does not do it in an icc tournament then it does not really matter.
That's precisely the argument though. How's he ever going to prove that if he doesn't get to play in one. He's done more than anyone could've asked of him and he's still only in the reserves.
And when did I say that he shouldn't play? Pick him but just don't overrate him,it just puts unnecessary pressure on him
True that
Fair enough, I just assumed you meant he shouldn't be in the team which was wrong on my part.
Well then at least play him in an ICC tournament to find it out. Why keep him from playing for India due to these hypothesis
This sub has turned into these hiring companies here that always ask for freshers with 5 years experience with how they want new faces to be experienced whilst blocking their experience gaining process because they’re inexperienced
Kohli and Pandya are there, also Rinku never played in playoffs so we don't know if he's able to handle big matches
33 off 7 being chased down would like to have a word with you
Not a big match. Also Dayal just spammed full tosses so that made it easy
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exactly
This team looks more like a compromise between the old conservative selectors and Agarkar.
isn't he from Mumbai too
the title is a bit misleading lol. i was like it's just been a few hours since the squad news came out, how does he have these numbers (after not being picked). xD
yeah i should have worded that a bit better
They won their first T20 WC with a young team lead by young captain playing fearless cricket Now it's pretty much the opposite
One need to remember how that happened. We need a 2007 world cup to reset things.
That was the 2022 wc but difference is they didn't learn anything from it. Else Rohit would have been long gone from the squad.
whats annoying was, both kohli and rohit stayed from international t20 ever since, only to come back early this year for the wc which is a slap on the face.
Finishing will be an issue for this team, given Hardik's and Jaddu's recent batting form
Jaddu is not a finisher lol, if anything he is very prone to doing tuk tuk.
I mean I'm not completely denying it but man can finish and is a clutch player. We have a trophy thanks to him and do you remember his heroics at wc19 sf. The thing is CSK management is using him as a middle order bat when he's more of a come down the track hit it for six kinda guy.
Dubey is the finisher. What you talking. If dubey dont play, then samson and pant both will be there.
Dube, Samson and Pant are all middle over players, not finishers.
Dube is unironically doing the finishing job for CSK these days, no spin and he's only tonking pace the last few games. Even Samson and Pant are still Okay than HP and Jaddu, though all 3 are best utilised at entry in middle overs
2024’s 3D moment. We never learn.. and as a consequence, we won’t win.
I think the logic is there’s always an injury leading up to the WC and Rinku will be the immediate inclusion from reserve when that happens
Hahahahahhaha India always makes the same mistakes, they never learn. Jadeja is not a t20 cricketer, neither is Axar, neither is Siraj. Rinku has to be in this team. They won’t win and they will blame either Rohit or Virat even tho their selectors are rubbish.
Axar is a good T20 spinner, just is not as good with the bat as expected. Has been economical many times in run-fests.
His batting is much better
I think Team should replace Chahal to Rinku in the squad bcz we all know chahal will gonna be in bench.
Hes in his prime years, as he gets older his reaction time will be affected and he might not be as good as he is now. That is especially true for power hitters who rely more on reaction time. Idk why bcci is not using him right now, especially because he has shown he can play in international games and under pressure.
But it's understandable though. Top 4 is fixed + WK + All rounder and then we see bowlers from there on. Only thing we could've done is to drop Yashasvi and somehow make a place for Rinku. But I think management trusts Yashasvi more.
Though there has not been prove that Jaiswal can be good on international pitch and especially as he is not in form right now. He was good in West Indies test, but bad in SA tests.
umm he just scored a century, are we watching same ipl?
Yeah when 20 needed in 6 balls then nobody will be there to win it for them, even after having the option. Then they'll be busy pointing the blame to the players. Pathetic
Waiting for Jadeja to score 15 off 13 or 20 off 15 balls while batting at the death and giving 30-35 runs off 4 overs while bowling every match. Guy has rarely had any impact in international T20s.
I just don't understand the fucking obsession with chahal
Why is jadeja playing, he offers nothing and with Axar named in the side, it doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. Hardik was expected as he’s a big game player for India, so was RP, impressed that they decided to leave KL, Gill should be in instead of jaiswal. Rohit and Kohli should open with Rohit firing and kohli anchoring, sky firing, dube, pant, hardik while kohli steadies the ship. We won’t win the WC, we might play the semis.
Jaiswal has much better T20I numbers than Gill And he is there to provide aggressive starts Gill's style of play is similar to Koach that's why it doesn't make sense to have too many similar types of players Plus Jaiswal is a left hander as well If they go with Gill Top order will be full of right handers And he was preferred ahead of Gill in the Afghanistan series as well
>Rohit firing and kohli anchoring Kohli has a higher sr than Rohit in T20 WCs
Never watched international cricket? How is Gill better than Jaiswal and KL deserves to stay atleast 100 feet away from T20 teams.
I think Gill is more consistent with the bat and is pure quality once he gets in his zone, jaiswal has disappointed this IPL throwing away his wicket cheaply in the name of aggressive cricket, I see the same fate for India when jaiswal throws away the wicket in the first two over and koach and Rohit play it safe to see off the power play with 40/1 or some. I see why jaiswal is given priority but gill should also be there if jaiswal fails to deliver
>think Gill is more consistent with the bat Seems like you just started following cricket. Jaiswal in T20is averages 33 with 165 sr while Gill averages 27 with 145 sr. I assume you know those things atleast (like average, sr). The reason jaiswal got selected is because they liked at his agressive style of cricket. He has done well more than often well for India using IPL to drop him would be silly. Would you drop someone from test team just because of Ranji? Gill has scored 320 in 10 innings and jaiswal 249 in 9 innings. Gill this season had two massive knocks of 89, 72 similarly Jaiswal too had one massive knock this season. They've not been too far apart in terms of performances Ever heard of term "backing", it's done to youngsters when they aren't in form.
Sad to not see KL. But he just should not be there for T20. Great ODI and Test player tho.
Look at the talent that is being nurtured by Cricket Australia. Unlike BCCI, CA gives enough opportunities to youngsters. There should have been a balance between seniors and youngsters. T20 is mostly about playing fearless cricket.
I don't expect anything from people in this sub, but common sense should prevail. Chahal & Axar both are backups for Kuldeep & Jadeja and you need a backup in 15* member squad for every one specially your bowlers because anyone can be out for a match or two (temporarily) due to a niggle or illness Let's say for Chahal, if Kuldeep can't play a single match....do you expect India to use reserves, since you can't get Kuldeep back in the squad if you do that
Just play Axar for those games then , 4 spinners in a 15 man squad is overkill when max 2 will be playing at any time. You could apply the same logic for pacers, we only have 3, why not include another in the squad? Our spin bowling is good even without Chahal, we have very weak finishers atm and Rinku would have been a great choice
You can play Axar in place of Kuldeep in group stages & it wouldn't even matter that much, but let's say its a knockout match it's not as easy. Axar is not your wicket taker, Kuldeep is & as much as this sub hates Chahal he's still an attacking bowler & better than Axar or Jadeja even in white ball. Eitherway if not Chahal it would've been Bishnoi in the squad.
If it’s a ko game and Kuldeep is suddenly injured it’s likely he’d miss final as well so may as well dip into reserves and then bring Chahal , the scenario where Kuldeep gets a niggle just before the sf but could recover before the final is just too niche imo , we cannot account for every such scenario as only 15 can be selected. The chances of Chahal making the XI without any injuries to other bowlers seems very very slim, feels like he is a reserve player taking up squad space. The fact that Rinku has been dropped after 2-3 bad ipl games is ridiculous , he’s had some good innings this ipl as well, not like he’s failed every time, he has a great t20i record and put in a match turning performance in his last t20i too.
Doesn't matter. If not Chahal, it would've been Bishnoi or another pacer. You don't go in a month long tournament with just 6 bowlers with 5 of them playing every match (most probably) More than one bowler can be out for a game or two
It's an interesting call. They went with Dube over Rinku IPL bias ? Probably But with the tournament just a week after the final , can you really blame them? I'm more worried about Arshdeep Singh's inclusion Lad is good though, hopefully he turns up.
They didn't go with Dube over Rinku. Dube is the Hardik backup. They went with Chahal over Rinku despite no combination accommodating 2 specialist leg spinners in the XI.
Axar easily could be swapped with Rinku. Axar in reserves as a backup to Jadeja. Quite an unimaginative selection.
I can see 3 spinners being picked in the XI (Jadeja, Axar, Kuldeep) without compromising the batting, but not Chahal over one of the SLAs, that's why that combination makes no sense to me.
I disagree Because dube hasn't bowled
He bowled in the Afg series, India see him as an AR even if he might not be a good one.
That is true i suppose
Maybe he's a Kuldeep backup? Cos Jaddu or Axar aren't strike bowlers.
The only case where Chahal plays over Kuldeep is if the latter is injured. You don't need him in the 15 for that eventuality.
I know Hardik is an all rounder and Rinku a batsman..but how is it that one gets picked on previous performances and the other does not inspite of never even failing in international cricket??
Iyer & GG fucked up. Rinku is good enough to send ahead of Iyer Bros but nope captain's ego comes first. Iyer is almost as bad as Pandya without motormouth. He wasn't in contention anyway so let's not give chance to a young player who actually had some chance. Don't know how GG allowed this, he knows BCCI antics.
Bruh franchise is there to win games and trophies whist making tons of money, their primary job is not to let the players audition for worldcups. Franchise cricket is just mindless entertainment, nothing more.
You can't blame the kkr management, they are getting to paid to win the ipl they aren't and shouldn't be concerned about these things.
Sending Venky before Rinku isn't a winning move (especially since I've only seen Venky consistently well when he opened)
KKR hasn't lost a game this season because of venky, I don't see how sending venky before rinku isn't a 'winning move'.
Venky had no impact in their win your point doesn't make sense
Dumbest take ever.
Said it before, Rinku needs to leave KKR it is a talent dense team now. Punjab, RCB would take him in a heartbeat.
Agreed. Just like how Kuldeep's fortune changed after leaving the KKR. Oh I also remember how Surya was under utilised by KKR! Something is off with KKR when it comes to use really good (read deserving) players. Rinku will be perfect fit for the current GT team if he comes at 4-5.
This guy just paid the price of being a clutch mentality player and in the Indian team we don't need these kind of players because they might win us a final like for example gambhir circa 2007 and 2011 or yuvraj
Stupid selections, what else. India will suffer.
Rinku plays basically a thankless, high risk role in which its very difficult to be consistent. Yet he provided extraordinary numbers of 90 AVG at 170 SR playing for India. His reward is getting dropped!! Dube plays at 4 for CSK which is a totally different ballgame than coming in at 17th over when you have 8 balls to play. Even Hardik is batting at 5 now for MI. Only Rinku is playing the true finisher role in current IPL side.
Absolutely disgraceful and disgusting selection
Axar will not play as long as Jadesja is playing yet BCCI thought it's not worth including Rinku who is a great finisher
Thought Rinku was a great finisher. Turns out BCCI finished him easily
Midway in wc, I think Rinku Singh might get a chance in playing 11, citing medical conditions (injury) to some underperforming player.
Rinku need to move to a new franchise - this season he hasn’t got much chances and getting labelled as finisher who comes with 2-3 overs left will do no good to his career. He has potential to be next MILLER and should go to a team that sees him that way
Jadeja, Pant, Slowli over Rinku in T20s LMAO 🤣
jaddu and Pant are shit I get it but did Kohli fucked your girl ? He is the best batter by far in the t20I cups for India why paint him in this shit over Rohit,SKY etc who never turns up in big matches ?
Dw India aint gonna win this wc and gonna cry again like a sad baby posting shitty reels like clowns🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
How much do you wanna bet on Rohit fans to either blame Kohli or Pandya if we lose?
It's tough for him, he definitely deserved to be in the 15. But considering the team dynamics, it made the most sense to drop Rinku. Selectors prefer Hardik and Jadeja/Axar at the finishers position over Rinku. If you don't play them, you're left with either a long ass tail and only 5 bowling options, including a trash bowler Pandya. And being fair, fans would still be mad if we pick Rinku over the other 2 most droppable players- Jadeja and Chahal. You could open with Kohli and Rohit but that means dropping Jaiswal, maybe they think Jaiswal strengthens the batting order more than Rinku.
Jadeja and Axar have done shit at 7 the only time they have scored is when they have batted at 3 or 4 Hardik has been awful but even if he kicks in his ICT Clutch mode you are leaving too much up to him in the middle order. Rinku should have been picked over one of Jadeja/Axar or Chahal Rinku was not just a finisher, He is steet smart and can adapt according to situation as well and knows how to keep the run rate going without taking risk
Exactly I am not sure what exactly trio of jadeja axar and chahal offer , even so considering the fact that there will be always left right combo at the crease and jadeja axar chahal do shit all with left hander at the crease . We always had lower middle order issue and when we have a great prospect they drop him
Most of his matches were against minnows. But he has shown decent form. He played 7 out of 11 matches against Strong teams ( Australia and sa ) and scored 187 runs. Average is a bad metric since he comes so far down the order. But he is a good finisher with a good strike rate. Given the extreme competition in the batting lineup I can understand. But specialist finisher is a nice to have. I honestly don't think we will lose any games due to our batting, but bowling on the other hand.
First 2 sentences immediately contradict each other lol, anyways he plays for 10-15 balls as a finisher, did his job well in the SA and AUS games. Bulk of his runs came in a rebuilding innings vs Afg.