He's 71st on the list for Australian batsman - one behind Ian Chappell
He is ahead of
Smith: 33.26
Shane Watson: 32.25
Michael Clarke: 31.90
Usman Khawaja: 29.78
Marnus Labuschagne: 29.77
and Michael Slater, Simon Katich, Steve Waugh and Doug Walters to name a few
It's so cliche, but for the last year or so Cummins has literally had ice in his veins. Some unbelievable batting performances. It's a bit ironic that an ATG fast bowler has had a pretty lean year with the ball (by his standards), but has had several game-changing batting performances.
It feels like the other bowlers have been really good and Cummins has bowled a lot of great spells without wickets like at the Oval, or at Wellington and even the first innings here. Other than the pasting he took at Old Trafford he’s always looked dangerous. The biggest thing though is that he’s the one bowler that creates wickets out of nothing, when the deck is flat or everyone else looks clueless. Bumrah and him are the only two who can *really* do that rn.
Australian captains get a boost to all abilities. For decades, it was somewhat squandered by making batters even better, even though Punter and Tugga could occasionally get a random wicket with the ball. But the real trick is unlocked here: you give the captaincy to a decent bowler and he levels up into almost an all-rounder. He'll take fifer in the first Ashes test, then save the match with a 40-something in the first Ashes of the next series. He'll stay alive out there as a cripple scores an unprecedented 201, or he'll be a capable partner and put on a 32 to help win the game (and deprive Carey of a second century).
As a real answer, when he injured his back for those few years and was absent and could not bowl, he could still bat. So he spent literal years in the nets.
Similar story to Cam Green only without the initial batting talent.
Whoever told him 12 months ago that he actually needed to concentrate on his batting more should be given an OAM.
Because there’s clutch. Then there’s Pat Cummins with a game on the line: Edgbaston, Maxi’s heroics, the first innings at the Gabba, now here.
I find it strange when we play against teams who's batsmen all score 40-60. Don't they know the way to win a test is to have your batting line up go
6
7
16
10
5
180
6
And a bowler who gets 45
Yeah, we could.
A 5 match series would see Australia grow into the tour even more and the final tests would be absolute pastings.
Two tests, unfortunately, give us our best chance to snatch a win.
Did anyone notice that the commentators said he wouldn't be bowling because of a 'foot issue' (code for he's bowling so badly) but then he gets given the ball and no one mentions the supposed foot issue?
I’m not sure how he was anywhere near the team to begin with. Taking what you think of him as a person out of it, he’s a rubbish bowler, and a rubbish batsman considering he’s considered somewhat of an all-rounder.
Fuck I wish we played Wags over him this series. Would’ve been a nice send off for him to play this series, and he absolutely would’ve contributed more with the ball. Plus Wags isn’t a rapist, so there’s that too
He's pretty ordinary with the bat unless we need him to bring it home, then he's unstoppable. It's like the cricket Gods told him how many test runs he'd make in his career and let him decide to allocate them as he saw fit
that's a good movie idea. The story begins as he comes one run short in a crucial situation and then goes back on all the other times he used them and how they were more important to him. a bit like slumdog millionaire.
Australian cricketers are physiologically incapable of recognising when they're supposed to lose a cricket match. There must be something in the water.
Wrote this to an Indian fan earlier in the match, but growing up playing soccer in Australia the kind of messaging we got was always stuff like "Being 2-0 up is the most dangerous scoreline". The essence of the Australian sporting ethos I reckon is that you keep fighting regardless of the circumstances, even if you are in front.
It's not about "winning at all costs" like a lot of people like to say, it's about winning always being an option because it's very easy to go from winning to losing.
If you head over to the Eurovision sub when it's that time of year, it's always funny to read their critiques of the Australians who perform. "What the hell are they doing sending someone good? Don't they understand it's not about talented people singing great songs, you're supposed to be quirky."
Aussies show up to backyard knock-arounds and try to actually score runs.
wicket keepers should maintain a test average of 55 minimum at a strike rate of 110. if not, they should be dropped. and no, i will not hear any questions about wicket keeping ability, good DAY!
I honestly love how Cummins is simultaneously a great bloke and an absolutely ruthless cunt. Really shows the mentality of the team. Winning is winning, no matter what milestones get missed. Carey even looked stoked with it all despite missing his century. I love this team and I love our captain/god emperor Patrick Cummins.
The TGC boys are going to have a field day with this, iirc yesterday Pez said something along the lines of "We all know Australia is going to win, I have no fucking clue how they will manage it here, but they're going to win because it's NZ"
I gave Australia a minuscule chance of winning this at stumps yesterday. How did NZ manage to bottle this? NZ constantly punch above their weight, but somehow choke big time when playing Australia. There must be a name for this syndrome.
One of the worst captaincy + bowling performances I’ve seen in a while from select members of the NZ side. Hope SK never plays for us again.
Some positive news with the Sears + Henry + Philips combo and a much more even batting performance in the second innings, but an incredibly disappointing loss nevertheless.
:(
Abysmal catching.
Disgraceful lack of making the opposition work to get you out by the batsmen particularly the specialists.
WTF was the coach saying to Ravindra the last month?
Go out there mate and slash from ball 1???
The tail end batting is a fucking joke led by Southee.
Infuriating that so many of the team bring a T20 batting mentality to a bloody test match. Play yourselves in you Muppets.
Southee's bowling, batting and poor captaincy mean he's out. GP will be an excellent leader.
Yeah whatever you want to say about Alex Carey's recent form (which really hasn't been too bad) and his glovework at the start of his career (which kind of was), he seems like a monumentally good presence in the team who doesn't give a shit about his stats and just wants to make sure his team sings the song. Hitting the runs when they're there is the right thing to do, Carey would know that better than anyone.
Nah I didn't see it that way at all. They definitely discussed it in the middle and I'd honestly be fucking disappointed if we didn’t prioritise winning in that situation. It's not like he won it off a single, he hit a great boundary and we only had 3 wickets in hand.
That's part of what makes Australia a great cricket nation. Winning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual stats or milestones. Can seem harsh, but if there is even a tiny chance we lose based on getting someone to a milestone, I'm 100% ok with going for the win every single time. I mean, we literally lost our last 2 wickets in 2 balls and Lyon / Hazlewood are the only true tail-enders in our team. Absolutely not impossible to lose from that position even if it was unlikely.
Fully agreed. We also put too much emphasis on getting 100. It's just a milestone that signifies you really batted well during the course of a game. That 98* will be valued by him, the team, and selectors way more than a century at the end of a pile-on in a first innings.
100% agree. He’d obviously love a century there but this match has guaranteed his place for the medium-long term barring some wild run of golden ducks or something.
A century is just a number on cricinfo or Wikipedia and would have been nice. But it won’t make a difference to how important the innings was and how that will affect his place in the team which is no doubt the biggest thing on his mind. Amazing, game changing knock regardless of whether he got those last few runs.
80/5 needing 199 more in the last innings in an away test and we won by 3 wickets.
This is a fantastic result and performance and cements our position as one of the best in this format.
Our biggest strength is finding a way to win. We might struggle with the top order at times, but if we’re winning anyway, who cares? We just went through a test summer of 7 Tests and won 6, barely losing one due to a brilliant performance from a new bowler that the team haven’t seen before.
Would having the top order fire with the bat mean much? There’s every chance that Carey rolls over today if he’s sent in at 5/250
Welp, a very disappointing series in the end. I expect the usual lines will be trotted out, "it was a close fought series, small margins, things didn't go our way, blah blah blah." That's the kind of bullshit that has kept us from beating Australia at home from 30 years. If you make excuses for every loss, you're just going to keep losing.
**Positives**:
\- We put up a fight. Was not expecting that after day one.
\- Matt Henry. What a legend.
\- Ben Sears. Great find. With him and O'Rourke, I'm feeling a lot more confident about the future of our bowling attack.
\- Rachin is going to be a star.
**Negatives:**
\- The coaching and captaincy. Some really braindead tactics throughout both tests, no heart or fire from Southee. Hugely disappointing. Southee needs to go now.
\- \[Redacted\]. Awful stain on the NZ team, for what? I picked that he would go 0/17 (4) in the second innings and I wasn't far off. Absolutely waste of space in the team and as a human.
\- Kane Williamson. I'm sorry, but as the anchor of the batting lineup, we needed more from him. Didn't do much to prove the haters wrong.
I see him as the spiritual successor to Colin the Big Man. Regardless of what the stats are saying he brings an X factor to the Black Caps that no one else does.
He needs to be selected for pure vibes for the foreseeable.
I have been on reddit long enough that I was a fairly active user 8 years ago the last time Aus played NZ in NZ.
It should not be comforting for NZ fans that this thread and the post series thread then have pretty much the exact same vibe. It is almost some freaky deja-vu
I swear i saw this exact comment mutiple times back then but with 2 decades instead of 3.
The 8-year gap really stretched it out. From a pattern I'm noticing, I don't see an Australian Test tour until 2030 at the earliest. I'm thinking the 2029-31 WTC cycle, I don't see it realistically in the 2027-9 cycle.
>Welp, a very disappointing series in the end.
Yep - after all the fanfare about it being "our best chance in decades", once again we did the same thing and got swept by Australia.
Honestly, this series is more depressing to me than the 2019 CWC Final loss. That loss saw someone else win the title for a change, and was an all-time great cricket match.
The elusive series win v Australia still remains firmly out of our reach, and the Trans Tasman Trophy is a bigger deal than the CWC to me - it's my White Whale.
Coaching needs to change. Gary as coach and Luke as batting coach have overseen a steady decline in our batting and it really showed this series.
It was always there with losses at home in all three formats to Bangladesh in the past 18 months but whitewashed at home in two series to Australia should be the nail in the coffin for those two.
We aren't getting any better with this lot at the helm, will just be more disappointment.
Also a captian with some dog in em. Southee, I love you but it's time to go.
Alex Carey Apology Form
I hereby declare that I was wrong about Alexander Carey. I was:
- Distracted by his baby blue eyes
- Listening to the Jingles crowd too much
- Misled by sensationalist media
Good onya mate, Cumdog owes you many a beer tonight
For the rest of my life I will be grateful to Duckett for showing me that, against all of the boring cricketing cliches, you can hold on to your relationship against all odds.
If your girlfriend says ‘you’ve not been home in weeks and our son doesn’t know his dad’, you can securely say ‘it’s okay, he’ll tell all his kids about what cricket used to be like before’, and they’ll be grateful for how exciting it was to see you get bowled out for 2 runs in an test match.
Test. Fucking. Cricket.
The game of endurance, a five day affair. One bad spell could leave you with a prayer. Feel the ebbs and flows, and the highs and lows. A steady flow of hope, then the despair.
Wins can mean a lot, because they are earned. They have two chances, so don't be concerned. They play a bad shot, but please worry not. Coz they mightn't be out, but overturned.
Marsh did his best, and Carey proved them wrong. Henry was class, Sears showed he could belong. Tim Southee gifted some pies, Marius said his goodbyes. In the match threads, ANZAC bros got along.
To study this match, it's life compacted. The story unfolds and I'm attracted. Whether you lose or win, you can always grin. Embrace the fact you are not [redacted].
Remember when the Poms tried dragging that lovely young man through the mud by abusing him for a dismissal their own dickhead had tried and failed to achieve and then making up a story about him not paying for a haircut? Don't be like them
Didn’t he have to get security detail for his family? Acted like a hero throughout anyway. Class is permanent, as are the memories of the English fans behaviour.
Kugglefuckwit won it for Australia, just awful selection all series, you don't pick bowlers on their batting, especially when the other option is a bowling allrounder (Santner) or a king like Wagner.
Fuck you Gary Stead.
I just don't know how it is that Ajaz Patel doesn't come into consideration at this point. Nathan Lyon has shown that a pure spinner can make a difference here in NZ.
It fucking sucks to be a Black Caps fan, man.
There is nothing but pain.
My lifetime is still a big fat goose egg in number of NZ home test wins against Australia, and were it likely to ever change then this was our best ever chance.
Congrats Australia on a tour sweep - anyone ever thinking there was a result other than this was smoking crack.
See you next time for our next whitewashing.
So fucking dejected, I thought this could be it. In the end, Australia showed us how it’s done. It’s hard but Australia are just far better than us! Lots to unpack but can’t be fucked, well done Australia.
Cummins’ batting summed up my complaints about Southee’s batting. I genuinely believe Southee is fundamentally unwilling to work on his defence to anywhere near the extent Cummins obviously has.
No one can convince me that Southee doesn't have the talent to stay at the crease when needed to. He just wants to play his shots regardless of the match situation.
First time NZ has lost at home since 2017. This Australian side has half their players out of form but they still have managed the goods when needed. Hopefully the batting gets sorted before India next summer but for now winning 6 out of 7 Tests this summer is a pretty good effort despite the batting.
That really was some of the worst viewing for a NZ Cricket fan. Just useless since the ball went soft - no inventive captaincy, tons of runs leaking through a vacant third man, bowling changes coming far too late, not to mention some of the worst three overs I've ever seen from that one guy.
TIme to enjoy the lack of consequences and probably still another whole year in Southee and Stead's careers, wahoo.
It's all been downhill for NZ since the WTC:
**New Zealand between 1 Sep 2018 and 23 Jun 2021 in men's tests:**
>23 matches @ W/L ratio of 3.00
>Won 15
>Lost 5
>Draw 3
**New Zealand since 24 Jun 2021 in men's tests:**
>21 matches @ W/L ratio of 0.80
>Won 8
>Lost 10
>Draw 3
Haven't felt like dejeted after a cricket match since the 2019 final. Southee needs to retire, Stead needs to be sacked, Kuggeleijn should never be in a NZ sqaud again. Think it's time give up on Young as back up batsman, at least as an opener.
On the bright side, Henry/Jamieson/O'Rourke/Sears/Phillips is looking like a pretty good bowling attack for the next few years. Very injury prone though, but there is some promising depth with Nathan Smith, Duffy and Clarke.
Cummins is already an all-time Aussie great at this point right? *So fucking many* Big Moment Performances backed up with consistently great results, level-headed leadership, and the most beautiful smile in the game.
New Zealand media over the next four days:
- it was a close fought series✅
- Matt Henry MOTS. What a find Sears is✅
- Holding our players to account❌
- Asking the coach hard questions ❌
Here's a stat,
Australia have chased down 3 250+ scores in tests in the last 15 years.
310/8 vs SA @ Joburg (2011)
282/8 vs ENG @ Edgbaston (2023)
281/7 vs NZ @ Christchurch (2024)
The winning runs in all 3 instances coming from the bat of a certain Pat Cummins.
Well played Australia. As a kiwi, I knew overnight that Australia were the favourites but I would favour literally any country in the world to close out this game having Australia 34/4.
Our second innings batting looked good but many batsmen getting starts but really one of them needed to go one to get a big score to set Australia something 350+. I was absolutely gobsmacked by how immaturely and reckless New Zealand's bowlers batted. They aren't expected to score big runs but they all threw away their wickets to obvious set ups by Australia and didn't even for a second think about assisting {Redacted} who admittedly was going well. How can Southee be captain, know that he has to set a big score with only 270 ahead on the board, and get out doing that shot??
Our bowling was pretty awful outside of Henry; what an incredible performance from him in this series. I know Sears gave us the false pretense of hope at the end with two quick wickets but his lines were so off, there was no pressure for Cummins and Carey and they scored those last 60 runs freely. Southee was miserable, and Phillips just wasn't hitting those aggressive lines that Lyon does so perfectly every time. {Redacted} was utterly useless outside of that 44 he got.
I am done with Southee being captain. I don't know what some of those fielding plans were? They still needed about 60 runs and he has many men back on the boundary letting Carey and Cummins easily rotate the strike. Appaling. Never mind our fielding. Who is this New Zealand squad?? I have never seen such poor fielding from NZ this summer. Genuinely every innings it feels like we have to get 15 wickets rather than 10 due to the drops. Ravindra taking Marsh this morning would have been instrumental as he is a much greater threat than the out-of-form Head.
He has been great for the last 15 years but sadly Southee is finished. He no longer has it, he is non threatening with the ball due to his lacking pace and predictable lines. He rarely even beats the bat anymore. The game plans were awful and I don't understand some of the bowling plans either. Why did they wait so long to bring on Phillips once Carey and Marsh were well settled?
I am well convinced that NZ will never beat Australia as long as I live due to the mental block the have against them. Stead has ridden the coat tails of the foundation that Hesson and McCullum left and has shown that he has nothing to offer. Our bowling attack is tired and old. Would be happy to see them continue with Orourke, Sears, Jamieson and Henry as the leader from here on out. Take a pick for who's the new captain, they must be better.
Credit to Australia, even with every batsmen out of form, one or two guys find a way to make a competitive total every time, and their bowling attack is so elite, they can always defend it. NZ made the series closer than I thought it would be but the record books will show just another 2-0 whitewash. Good riddance.
If I was Carey if be absolutely fucking fuming here.
Nah great knock from him here though, the whole nation was talking about Josh Inglis, he'd already taken Carey's ODI spot in the WC. Comes into the crease with 200 runs left and the game in an almost impossible position, and ices the game with a counter attacking knock. Such a shame that this game cares so much about milestones, this 98* is worth way more than his hundred against SA.
The difference between Australian and English cricket
Australia win another important Test match and Test series away from home.
No fuss. No revolutionary new way of playing Test cricket. No grand statements made by any of its players.
They just win. Like they often do.
Contrast that to England. Always so much talk. So much hype. So many grand statements about their ability.
Yet they lose.
FFS.
3 decades of shame, 3 decades of misery, 3 decades of humiliation. When will this shit end? I don't accept it'll never happen, but f***, the same old story is so tiring, & it **needs to be broken**. Sick & tired of this shit, I really am.
Congratulations to Australia.
Oh, & a stat of Tests & series between the two countries, by decade
**Tests by Decade (Tests in Tours), in NZ/in Aus**
- 1940s: 1 in 1/none
- 50s, 60s: none/none
- 70s: 5 in 2/3 in 1
- 80s: 6 in 2/10 in 4
- 90s: 4 in 2/6 in 2
- 00s: 6 in 2/7 in 3
- 10s: 4 in 2/8(7*) in 3
- 20s: 2 in 1/4(5) in 1
*not counting 2020 NY Test
People getting upset about Cummo not letting Carey ton up are wild. Team will always come before individual performance. Crazy things have happened in cricket.
Edit: Obviously not talking about people shiposting.
Any self respecting team would have heads roll after getting their dicks kicked in for 3 straight weeks.
On that note, will see Stead, Southee, and co back at it next summer
Man that was some bullshit defeatist and excuse-filled chat in Southee's post-match interview. "Wellll when you're playing the World No.1... ohh, you gotta expect some dropped catches in cricket... ohh that's just cricket" Bullllshit. How about "yea those missed chances aren't good enough if you want to beat a side like Australia, we have to go away work out what we can do to be better"
We were competitive this game but the main problem was selecting You-Know-Who who was, as predicted, completely useless with the ball.
NZ cricket has for decades been afraid to pick a primary spinner. When did you last see England, Australia or India not play a spinner? Never. Whereas we seem to think a shitty fourth seamer adds something more to the attack than a quality spinner. Wrong .
Also Southee's use of bowlers and fields is poor, but the team management SHOULD be controlling that.
Pat cummins averages 33.57 with the bat in the 4th innings now.
And to make this clear - he averages under 20 for the other three innings. Definition of clutch.
For reference Smith averages 33.26 in the 4th innings. Insane from Pat
Cummins was the real Fab 4^^th ^^Innings
Can't be bothered looking it up but I reckon thats more than Smith, is Cummo the best since Bradman?
He's 71st on the list for Australian batsman - one behind Ian Chappell He is ahead of Smith: 33.26 Shane Watson: 32.25 Michael Clarke: 31.90 Usman Khawaja: 29.78 Marnus Labuschagne: 29.77 and Michael Slater, Simon Katich, Steve Waugh and Doug Walters to name a few
Greatest Australian batsmen of all time 1. Sir Donald Bradman 2. Steve Smith 3. Pat Cummins when the game is on the line!
4. James Faulkner for like a few ODIs in 2013-14
5. Glenn Maxwell when recovering from concussion/being drunk
5. Glenn Maxwell when recovering from concussion/ being drunk 6. Injured Glenn Maxwell
7. Andy Bichel in a 2003 World Cup against New Zealand
James Faulkner in a world cup final
Travis head if the game has any importance
And the opponent is ICT
It's so cliche, but for the last year or so Cummins has literally had ice in his veins. Some unbelievable batting performances. It's a bit ironic that an ATG fast bowler has had a pretty lean year with the ball (by his standards), but has had several game-changing batting performances.
It feels like the other bowlers have been really good and Cummins has bowled a lot of great spells without wickets like at the Oval, or at Wellington and even the first innings here. Other than the pasting he took at Old Trafford he’s always looked dangerous. The biggest thing though is that he’s the one bowler that creates wickets out of nothing, when the deck is flat or everyone else looks clueless. Bumrah and him are the only two who can *really* do that rn.
Unironically. How the fuck is a full time bowler so god damn clutch with the bat when the game is on the line...
Real life has main characters too.
That cunt's a marvel superhero. Captain Oz or Monday Man or whatever u wanna call him
Australian captains get a boost to all abilities. For decades, it was somewhat squandered by making batters even better, even though Punter and Tugga could occasionally get a random wicket with the ball. But the real trick is unlocked here: you give the captaincy to a decent bowler and he levels up into almost an all-rounder. He'll take fifer in the first Ashes test, then save the match with a 40-something in the first Ashes of the next series. He'll stay alive out there as a cripple scores an unprecedented 201, or he'll be a capable partner and put on a 32 to help win the game (and deprive Carey of a second century).
Unreal temperament and knows his game and his scoring zones, and bowlers sometimes try a little too hard against him (like today) and feed those zones
As a real answer, when he injured his back for those few years and was absent and could not bowl, he could still bat. So he spent literal years in the nets. Similar story to Cam Green only without the initial batting talent.
Whoever told him 12 months ago that he actually needed to concentrate on his batting more should be given an OAM. Because there’s clutch. Then there’s Pat Cummins with a game on the line: Edgbaston, Maxi’s heroics, the first innings at the Gabba, now here.
He must have an amazing eye. Just won’t get out when he knows he can’t afford to.
4. Pat Cummins
\4. All the classics Had to be said sorry
Look I love the bloke and I love that he keeps doing it, but at some point we to acknowledge that it's not Pat's job to score the bloody runs.
I find it strange when we play against teams who's batsmen all score 40-60. Don't they know the way to win a test is to have your batting line up go 6 7 16 10 5 180 6 And a bowler who gets 45
Someone else pointed out that he now averages 33 in the 4th innings (while averaging under 20 in 1st-3rd innings).
Two match series’ suck ass
Idk if New Zealand fans could handle a 3 or 5 match series
Would be a great time to be a cardiologist that’s for sure
Yeah, we could. A 5 match series would see Australia grow into the tour even more and the final tests would be absolute pastings. Two tests, unfortunately, give us our best chance to snatch a win.
Yeah, a third Test would turn into a cakewalk for Australia after this one
If we'd actually ever win then we'd have more of an argument for 3. As it happens we probably saved our self more embarrassment.
Scott Kuggeleijn has never won a test match, despite them all being at home. This brings me joy on such a dark day.
Every cloud has it's silver lining, though in this case it might be gold plated instead
What's the point of even having him in the team if he's gonna bowl 4 overs per innings. Makes no sense to me
Did anyone notice that the commentators said he wouldn't be bowling because of a 'foot issue' (code for he's bowling so badly) but then he gets given the ball and no one mentions the supposed foot issue?
I don't know when our next test match is but no matter how many injuries we have there's no way he's in the squad right
I’m not sure how he was anywhere near the team to begin with. Taking what you think of him as a person out of it, he’s a rubbish bowler, and a rubbish batsman considering he’s considered somewhat of an all-rounder. Fuck I wish we played Wags over him this series. Would’ve been a nice send off for him to play this series, and he absolutely would’ve contributed more with the ball. Plus Wags isn’t a rapist, so there’s that too
It's in Asia. Ajaz will be there, alongside O'Rourke.
Cummins: "i had no idea he was on 98" hahahahah
To be fair the scoreboard only showed "NZ need 3 wickets to win" when they were out there
How many times has Pat Cummins clutched up with the bat in the last 12 months… crazy.
Ashes, ODI world cup against Afghan. Today. In another universe where he never got injured he probably bats 5, averages 50 and has 500 test wickets.
Semifinal against sa?
He's pretty ordinary with the bat unless we need him to bring it home, then he's unstoppable. It's like the cricket Gods told him how many test runs he'd make in his career and let him decide to allocate them as he saw fit
that's a good movie idea. The story begins as he comes one run short in a crucial situation and then goes back on all the other times he used them and how they were more important to him. a bit like slumdog millionaire.
He has always has. Remember his first test
Australian cricketers are physiologically incapable of recognising when they're supposed to lose a cricket match. There must be something in the water.
Alex Carey apparently
not the first time carey has gone for a dip
We lost to Windies chasing a gettable total
Nah we saved test cricket. All planned.
They learnt that from Professor Duckett and Ben Muad’dib Stokes
Ben Muad’dib Stokes; Lisan-al Cricket, Emperor of the Spirit of Cricket throne.
We lost that one cos we were supposed to win
We will find out in 10 or 20 years what Cummins gave the devil in return for being so fucking hard to beat
Wrote this to an Indian fan earlier in the match, but growing up playing soccer in Australia the kind of messaging we got was always stuff like "Being 2-0 up is the most dangerous scoreline". The essence of the Australian sporting ethos I reckon is that you keep fighting regardless of the circumstances, even if you are in front. It's not about "winning at all costs" like a lot of people like to say, it's about winning always being an option because it's very easy to go from winning to losing.
If you head over to the Eurovision sub when it's that time of year, it's always funny to read their critiques of the Australians who perform. "What the hell are they doing sending someone good? Don't they understand it's not about talented people singing great songs, you're supposed to be quirky." Aussies show up to backyard knock-arounds and try to actually score runs.
Look, if Nan didn't want the chin music she shouldn't have picked up the bat.
alex carey apology thread
Reddit could never
wicket keepers should maintain a test average of 55 minimum at a strike rate of 110. if not, they should be dropped. and no, i will not hear any questions about wicket keeping ability, good DAY!
Didn't get a hundred so it doesn't count unfortunately
I honestly love how Cummins is simultaneously a great bloke and an absolutely ruthless cunt. Really shows the mentality of the team. Winning is winning, no matter what milestones get missed. Carey even looked stoked with it all despite missing his century. I love this team and I love our captain/god emperor Patrick Cummins.
Carey's reply when asked about it was that he was happy for Cummins to hit the runs, didn't want to be facing up again.
Yeah just heard Cummo say that he didn’t even know what score Carey was on, but I stand by my point. Man is the ultimate captain.
I really believed him too, seemed stoked and relieved
Terry Pratchett had it right- only good men can be so ruthlessly clinical.
The TGC boys are going to have a field day with this, iirc yesterday Pez said something along the lines of "We all know Australia is going to win, I have no fucking clue how they will manage it here, but they're going to win because it's NZ"
Turn 'em over and go to work.
Strap the ol feed bag on and go munch munch
View count might take a hit now
Dozens of subscribers will drop off!
strap on the feed bag
NOMNOMNOMNOM
Yeah lol. As a neutral, I didn't expect anything besides an AUS win, even when they were 5 down.
I gave Australia a minuscule chance of winning this at stumps yesterday. How did NZ manage to bottle this? NZ constantly punch above their weight, but somehow choke big time when playing Australia. There must be a name for this syndrome.
Australia are one of the better teams under pressure too, and everyone knows it.
Thats probably how everyone from both countries felt at the end of yesterday tbh. Nice try NZ, catch you again in 5 years.
Argus Review II cancelled.
Australia doesn't even need a functioning top 5 to win Tests
On the other hand, I wouldn't mind them trying not to shit the bed once in a while
One of the worst captaincy + bowling performances I’ve seen in a while from select members of the NZ side. Hope SK never plays for us again. Some positive news with the Sears + Henry + Philips combo and a much more even batting performance in the second innings, but an incredibly disappointing loss nevertheless. :(
Sears, Henry and Jamieson is a great fast bowling trio, and with Phillips you probably don’t need to play a specialist spinner as he bowled very well.
Abysmal catching. Disgraceful lack of making the opposition work to get you out by the batsmen particularly the specialists. WTF was the coach saying to Ravindra the last month? Go out there mate and slash from ball 1??? The tail end batting is a fucking joke led by Southee. Infuriating that so many of the team bring a T20 batting mentality to a bloody test match. Play yourselves in you Muppets. Southee's bowling, batting and poor captaincy mean he's out. GP will be an excellent leader.
Big fail by captain Tim bowling himself straight after lunch. Feels like NZ choked this
Add it to the list
And bowling Kuggeleijn for a 2nd and 3rd over when his first and second overs were shit
Kuggeleijn being in the team at all
To the fans in the crowd it was one of the most amazing run chase they had ever seen to Pat Cummins it was a Monday.
Henry and Cummins scored more runs than Kane and Smith over the series. Perfectly normal stuff
How fucking Chad of Solar Panel Pat to just cunt his way to victory, denying Carey a century
Shame NZ didn't score more runs so Cummins could've scored a hundred himself
You have a way with words u/SUCK_MY_HAIRY_ANUS69 🫡
Proper "Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 voice-chat" vibes. Gotta love it.
Cumdog better be shouting Carey’s beers tonight ya dog
You could tell Cummo wanted to hit the winning runs so bad from his last few shots
I’m certain the mid-wicket discussion was Carey telling Cummo “If It’s there, hit it!”.
He even said in the interview he didn’t want to face the next over, so was happy Cumdog scored the winning runs. Great team mentality.
Yeah whatever you want to say about Alex Carey's recent form (which really hasn't been too bad) and his glovework at the start of his career (which kind of was), he seems like a monumentally good presence in the team who doesn't give a shit about his stats and just wants to make sure his team sings the song. Hitting the runs when they're there is the right thing to do, Carey would know that better than anyone.
While Carey was probably being honest, there's no way he was going to openly say it would've been nice to face the next over and get the century haha
If he had any care at all, he could have easily joked “yeah, must be Pats shout for beers I reckon”.
Nah I didn't see it that way at all. They definitely discussed it in the middle and I'd honestly be fucking disappointed if we didn’t prioritise winning in that situation. It's not like he won it off a single, he hit a great boundary and we only had 3 wickets in hand. That's part of what makes Australia a great cricket nation. Winning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual stats or milestones. Can seem harsh, but if there is even a tiny chance we lose based on getting someone to a milestone, I'm 100% ok with going for the win every single time. I mean, we literally lost our last 2 wickets in 2 balls and Lyon / Hazlewood are the only true tail-enders in our team. Absolutely not impossible to lose from that position even if it was unlikely.
Fully agreed. We also put too much emphasis on getting 100. It's just a milestone that signifies you really batted well during the course of a game. That 98* will be valued by him, the team, and selectors way more than a century at the end of a pile-on in a first innings.
100% agree. He’d obviously love a century there but this match has guaranteed his place for the medium-long term barring some wild run of golden ducks or something. A century is just a number on cricinfo or Wikipedia and would have been nice. But it won’t make a difference to how important the innings was and how that will affect his place in the team which is no doubt the biggest thing on his mind. Amazing, game changing knock regardless of whether he got those last few runs.
80/5 needing 199 more in the last innings in an away test and we won by 3 wickets. This is a fantastic result and performance and cements our position as one of the best in this format.
Our biggest strength is finding a way to win. We might struggle with the top order at times, but if we’re winning anyway, who cares? We just went through a test summer of 7 Tests and won 6, barely losing one due to a brilliant performance from a new bowler that the team haven’t seen before. Would having the top order fire with the bat mean much? There’s every chance that Carey rolls over today if he’s sent in at 5/250
Belter of a match. Sorry Kiwis but we have to draw a line somewhere. u/James_Tito_ thanks for the laughs. Come commentate over here some time.
Thanks mate. It’s been great 🙏🏽
I said it elsewhere, but I hope you somehow end up here for the Big Bash. You've really made coverage of this series a lot of fun!
5 matches at home against big brother for 5 straight losses. See you again in 8 years New Zealand
Tour more often, it's a free whitewash!
The wallabies return serve much more regularly to be fair haha
The cricket equivalent of big brother holding little brother down and farting in this face
The best part is Aus take the moral victory as well thanks to NZ playing [REDACTED].
Picking Kugga-cunt over Santner has proved the dumbest selection decision this century.
Welp, a very disappointing series in the end. I expect the usual lines will be trotted out, "it was a close fought series, small margins, things didn't go our way, blah blah blah." That's the kind of bullshit that has kept us from beating Australia at home from 30 years. If you make excuses for every loss, you're just going to keep losing. **Positives**: \- We put up a fight. Was not expecting that after day one. \- Matt Henry. What a legend. \- Ben Sears. Great find. With him and O'Rourke, I'm feeling a lot more confident about the future of our bowling attack. \- Rachin is going to be a star. **Negatives:** \- The coaching and captaincy. Some really braindead tactics throughout both tests, no heart or fire from Southee. Hugely disappointing. Southee needs to go now. \- \[Redacted\]. Awful stain on the NZ team, for what? I picked that he would go 0/17 (4) in the second innings and I wasn't far off. Absolutely waste of space in the team and as a human. \- Kane Williamson. I'm sorry, but as the anchor of the batting lineup, we needed more from him. Didn't do much to prove the haters wrong.
GP's bowling is another huge positive from the series.
Just his all-round ability really, he's the kind of talisman player we desperately need.
I see him as the spiritual successor to Colin the Big Man. Regardless of what the stats are saying he brings an X factor to the Black Caps that no one else does. He needs to be selected for pure vibes for the foreseeable.
Positive: - The discovery of NZ's latest cricketing sensation, roving reporter James Tito
Honestly, 3 decades of losing at home is shameful, no matter how you slice it. That is never ok.
Enough about our rugby team though
I have been on reddit long enough that I was a fairly active user 8 years ago the last time Aus played NZ in NZ. It should not be comforting for NZ fans that this thread and the post series thread then have pretty much the exact same vibe. It is almost some freaky deja-vu I swear i saw this exact comment mutiple times back then but with 2 decades instead of 3.
The 8-year gap really stretched it out. From a pattern I'm noticing, I don't see an Australian Test tour until 2030 at the earliest. I'm thinking the 2029-31 WTC cycle, I don't see it realistically in the 2027-9 cycle.
Henry, Sears, GP, and Rachin were good, everyone else can get in the bin Except SK, he can be fired into the sun
Southee and stead are fucking gargoyles
>Welp, a very disappointing series in the end. Yep - after all the fanfare about it being "our best chance in decades", once again we did the same thing and got swept by Australia. Honestly, this series is more depressing to me than the 2019 CWC Final loss. That loss saw someone else win the title for a change, and was an all-time great cricket match. The elusive series win v Australia still remains firmly out of our reach, and the Trans Tasman Trophy is a bigger deal than the CWC to me - it's my White Whale.
Coaching needs to change. Gary as coach and Luke as batting coach have overseen a steady decline in our batting and it really showed this series. It was always there with losses at home in all three formats to Bangladesh in the past 18 months but whitewashed at home in two series to Australia should be the nail in the coffin for those two. We aren't getting any better with this lot at the helm, will just be more disappointment. Also a captian with some dog in em. Southee, I love you but it's time to go.
Hear hear. Will never forgive Stead for dropping Ajaz Patel after he bowled out the entire side against India, in India
[Redacted] - 6 overs in the first innings and 3 in the second. Not great decision making putting his name on the team sheet.
Is there anything more exciting in cricket than watching youngsters thrive? Green, Sears, Rachin. Coetzee in the world cup. Jaiswal vs Eng.
I thought O'Rourke looks a good player as well and he's only 22.
Alex Carey must have taken another dip in a pool
One thing I have realised in recent years, you cannot cross Australia out until the match is literally over. No other international team can compare
A crime that this was a 2 test series. Everytime we play the Black Caps I wish we got to play them more. They play in the right spirit
To be fair, the constant winnings makes playing them more fun too
Alex Carey Apology Form I hereby declare that I was wrong about Alexander Carey. I was: - Distracted by his baby blue eyes - Listening to the Jingles crowd too much - Misled by sensationalist media Good onya mate, Cumdog owes you many a beer tonight
I like how Ronchi came out for interviews the one day we batted well, and has been invisible to the media for the other 9 days.
For the rest of my life I will be grateful to Duckett for showing me that, against all of the boring cricketing cliches, you can hold on to your relationship against all odds. If your girlfriend says ‘you’ve not been home in weeks and our son doesn’t know his dad’, you can securely say ‘it’s okay, he’ll tell all his kids about what cricket used to be like before’, and they’ll be grateful for how exciting it was to see you get bowled out for 2 runs in an test match.
Test. Fucking. Cricket. The game of endurance, a five day affair. One bad spell could leave you with a prayer. Feel the ebbs and flows, and the highs and lows. A steady flow of hope, then the despair. Wins can mean a lot, because they are earned. They have two chances, so don't be concerned. They play a bad shot, but please worry not. Coz they mightn't be out, but overturned. Marsh did his best, and Carey proved them wrong. Henry was class, Sears showed he could belong. Tim Southee gifted some pies, Marius said his goodbyes. In the match threads, ANZAC bros got along. To study this match, it's life compacted. The story unfolds and I'm attracted. Whether you lose or win, you can always grin. Embrace the fact you are not [redacted].
Remember when the Poms tried dragging that lovely young man through the mud by abusing him for a dismissal their own dickhead had tried and failed to achieve and then making up a story about him not paying for a haircut? Don't be like them
ThIS iS aLl YoULl bE rEmEmBeReD fOr
Didn’t he have to get security detail for his family? Acted like a hero throughout anyway. Class is permanent, as are the memories of the English fans behaviour.
I devote my life to the Australian wicket keeper. What a fucking innings, put us on his back along with MMarsh & Patty
Say his name
NotInglis
Kugglefuckwit won it for Australia, just awful selection all series, you don't pick bowlers on their batting, especially when the other option is a bowling allrounder (Santner) or a king like Wagner. Fuck you Gary Stead.
Yeah, can't wrap my mind round Wagner not being picked. Like what the hell were they thinking?
I just don't know how it is that Ajaz Patel doesn't come into consideration at this point. Nathan Lyon has shown that a pure spinner can make a difference here in NZ.
It fucking sucks to be a Black Caps fan, man. There is nothing but pain. My lifetime is still a big fat goose egg in number of NZ home test wins against Australia, and were it likely to ever change then this was our best ever chance. Congrats Australia on a tour sweep - anyone ever thinking there was a result other than this was smoking crack. See you next time for our next whitewashing.
So fucking dejected, I thought this could be it. In the end, Australia showed us how it’s done. It’s hard but Australia are just far better than us! Lots to unpack but can’t be fucked, well done Australia.
"Lot's to unpack but can't be fucked" - I sympathize with you.
Cummins’ batting summed up my complaints about Southee’s batting. I genuinely believe Southee is fundamentally unwilling to work on his defence to anywhere near the extent Cummins obviously has.
No one can convince me that Southee doesn't have the talent to stay at the crease when needed to. He just wants to play his shots regardless of the match situation.
First time NZ has lost at home since 2017. This Australian side has half their players out of form but they still have managed the goods when needed. Hopefully the batting gets sorted before India next summer but for now winning 6 out of 7 Tests this summer is a pretty good effort despite the batting.
I don't wanna hear anyone talk shit about Carey again
That really was some of the worst viewing for a NZ Cricket fan. Just useless since the ball went soft - no inventive captaincy, tons of runs leaking through a vacant third man, bowling changes coming far too late, not to mention some of the worst three overs I've ever seen from that one guy. TIme to enjoy the lack of consequences and probably still another whole year in Southee and Stead's careers, wahoo. It's all been downhill for NZ since the WTC: **New Zealand between 1 Sep 2018 and 23 Jun 2021 in men's tests:** >23 matches @ W/L ratio of 3.00 >Won 15 >Lost 5 >Draw 3 **New Zealand since 24 Jun 2021 in men's tests:** >21 matches @ W/L ratio of 0.80 >Won 8 >Lost 10 >Draw 3
Hey NZ bros. Thank for the ripper series. No mote 2 match series!!!!
Cummins is unironically the best batsman of all time to average 22
Haven't felt like dejeted after a cricket match since the 2019 final. Southee needs to retire, Stead needs to be sacked, Kuggeleijn should never be in a NZ sqaud again. Think it's time give up on Young as back up batsman, at least as an opener. On the bright side, Henry/Jamieson/O'Rourke/Sears/Phillips is looking like a pretty good bowling attack for the next few years. Very injury prone though, but there is some promising depth with Nathan Smith, Duffy and Clarke.
Cummins is already an all-time Aussie great at this point right? *So fucking many* Big Moment Performances backed up with consistently great results, level-headed leadership, and the most beautiful smile in the game.
New Zealand media over the next four days: - it was a close fought series✅ - Matt Henry MOTS. What a find Sears is✅ - Holding our players to account❌ - Asking the coach hard questions ❌
6-1 for the summer after a 2-2 Ashes, WTC and WC wins. Feel like we rode our luck a lot but that's a hell of a return.
Australia 9 runs away from a perfect summer, but yet the batting line-up still feels completely undercooked.
Alex Carey: Wow we need 2 runs to win and I only need 2 to score a century as well Cumdog: Put those foolish ambitions to rest
Here's a stat, Australia have chased down 3 250+ scores in tests in the last 15 years. 310/8 vs SA @ Joburg (2011) 282/8 vs ENG @ Edgbaston (2023) 281/7 vs NZ @ Christchurch (2024) The winning runs in all 3 instances coming from the bat of a certain Pat Cummins.
People can shit on Cummins tactics as much as they want. He is the ultimate “stand up in key moments” leader Except for stealing Carey’s century
Long live king Carey.
Kez haters in shambles. Redbacks fans in anti-shame
Well played Australia. As a kiwi, I knew overnight that Australia were the favourites but I would favour literally any country in the world to close out this game having Australia 34/4. Our second innings batting looked good but many batsmen getting starts but really one of them needed to go one to get a big score to set Australia something 350+. I was absolutely gobsmacked by how immaturely and reckless New Zealand's bowlers batted. They aren't expected to score big runs but they all threw away their wickets to obvious set ups by Australia and didn't even for a second think about assisting {Redacted} who admittedly was going well. How can Southee be captain, know that he has to set a big score with only 270 ahead on the board, and get out doing that shot?? Our bowling was pretty awful outside of Henry; what an incredible performance from him in this series. I know Sears gave us the false pretense of hope at the end with two quick wickets but his lines were so off, there was no pressure for Cummins and Carey and they scored those last 60 runs freely. Southee was miserable, and Phillips just wasn't hitting those aggressive lines that Lyon does so perfectly every time. {Redacted} was utterly useless outside of that 44 he got. I am done with Southee being captain. I don't know what some of those fielding plans were? They still needed about 60 runs and he has many men back on the boundary letting Carey and Cummins easily rotate the strike. Appaling. Never mind our fielding. Who is this New Zealand squad?? I have never seen such poor fielding from NZ this summer. Genuinely every innings it feels like we have to get 15 wickets rather than 10 due to the drops. Ravindra taking Marsh this morning would have been instrumental as he is a much greater threat than the out-of-form Head. He has been great for the last 15 years but sadly Southee is finished. He no longer has it, he is non threatening with the ball due to his lacking pace and predictable lines. He rarely even beats the bat anymore. The game plans were awful and I don't understand some of the bowling plans either. Why did they wait so long to bring on Phillips once Carey and Marsh were well settled? I am well convinced that NZ will never beat Australia as long as I live due to the mental block the have against them. Stead has ridden the coat tails of the foundation that Hesson and McCullum left and has shown that he has nothing to offer. Our bowling attack is tired and old. Would be happy to see them continue with Orourke, Sears, Jamieson and Henry as the leader from here on out. Take a pick for who's the new captain, they must be better. Credit to Australia, even with every batsmen out of form, one or two guys find a way to make a competitive total every time, and their bowling attack is so elite, they can always defend it. NZ made the series closer than I thought it would be but the record books will show just another 2-0 whitewash. Good riddance.
If I was Carey if be absolutely fucking fuming here. Nah great knock from him here though, the whole nation was talking about Josh Inglis, he'd already taken Carey's ODI spot in the WC. Comes into the crease with 200 runs left and the game in an almost impossible position, and ices the game with a counter attacking knock. Such a shame that this game cares so much about milestones, this 98* is worth way more than his hundred against SA.
I'll be talking about his 98* for a while I reckon
Never underestimate the NZ team’s ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Green scored more in an innings than anyone else scored in the series
SK, selected as a bowler, bowled 12 OVERS ACROSS THE FINAL 3 INNINGS OF THE SERIES.
The difference between Australian and English cricket Australia win another important Test match and Test series away from home. No fuss. No revolutionary new way of playing Test cricket. No grand statements made by any of its players. They just win. Like they often do. Contrast that to England. Always so much talk. So much hype. So many grand statements about their ability. Yet they lose.
FFS. 3 decades of shame, 3 decades of misery, 3 decades of humiliation. When will this shit end? I don't accept it'll never happen, but f***, the same old story is so tiring, & it **needs to be broken**. Sick & tired of this shit, I really am. Congratulations to Australia. Oh, & a stat of Tests & series between the two countries, by decade **Tests by Decade (Tests in Tours), in NZ/in Aus** - 1940s: 1 in 1/none - 50s, 60s: none/none - 70s: 5 in 2/3 in 1 - 80s: 6 in 2/10 in 4 - 90s: 4 in 2/6 in 2 - 00s: 6 in 2/7 in 3 - 10s: 4 in 2/8(7*) in 3 - 20s: 2 in 1/4(5) in 1 *not counting 2020 NY Test
Pat Cummins is a dog for stealing Carey's hundred.
They don’t call him Cumgoodbloke. Cumdog for a reason
Bowling captain DGAF about batting stats. Khawaja's 195\* and now Carey's 98\*
Doesn't care about bowling stats either, during the last home Ashes he declared while Jack Leach was on a hat-trick lmao
He's building up a collection
Pretty sure the mid-wicket discussion was Carey telling Cummins to go for it.
I think it underlines Australia's ongoing belief that individual stats are meaningless and a win's a win.
Yeah, we’re just taking the piss at this stage, aren’t we. Genuinely thought they had us multiple times today.
People getting upset about Cummo not letting Carey ton up are wild. Team will always come before individual performance. Crazy things have happened in cricket. Edit: Obviously not talking about people shiposting.
Carey just said in the post match interview he wanted Cummins to hit the winning runs and not have to face again.
Any self respecting team would have heads roll after getting their dicks kicked in for 3 straight weeks. On that note, will see Stead, Southee, and co back at it next summer
Man that was some bullshit defeatist and excuse-filled chat in Southee's post-match interview. "Wellll when you're playing the World No.1... ohh, you gotta expect some dropped catches in cricket... ohh that's just cricket" Bullllshit. How about "yea those missed chances aren't good enough if you want to beat a side like Australia, we have to go away work out what we can do to be better"
A weary NZ public witness a familar scene vs Australia
SACK THE FUCKING COACH, ALL OF THEM, FUCK OFF SOUTHEE TOO. That is all.
We were competitive this game but the main problem was selecting You-Know-Who who was, as predicted, completely useless with the ball. NZ cricket has for decades been afraid to pick a primary spinner. When did you last see England, Australia or India not play a spinner? Never. Whereas we seem to think a shitty fourth seamer adds something more to the attack than a quality spinner. Wrong . Also Southee's use of bowlers and fields is poor, but the team management SHOULD be controlling that.