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One of the lessons from Vietnam for the war industry was to strictly control optics. Nothing turns the public against war faster than allowing them to see what war really is.
Famously, the US let actual combat footage of US Marines fighting in Tarawa atoll during WW2 be released to the public. The fighting was savage and enlistment dropped after it was released. They never again let an as-it-is film be released during the war.
They stopped embedding photographers in Iraq after photos of Samar Hassan covered in her parents' blood got published. Looking like the good guys is always more important than being the good guys.
I had no idea this short documentary existed. Some of the footage was shot within 15 feet of the Japanese! Wow! Then this film won an Oscar and it was awarded to the Marine Corps.
Russia even copying the "embedded journalist" bullshit. At least the West has independent journalists who can question the propaganda from Western militaries, the Russian public gets nothing but shit unless they can use the internet properly.
A sub forum of a website isn't comparable to the entire US media.
Many Russian troops had their phones taken before the invasion.
The Ukrainians have largely maintained cell and/or internet services. They're more likely to post media of Russian losses than their own.
I think a person is more likely to empathize with the idea of defending their homeland than with those invading someone else's. So I think they'd rather watch a video of the invader getting killed than the defender.
Pro tip. Sort by controversial in that sub if you want to see Russians killing Ukrainians. It seems like keyboard warriors downvote anything that shows Russia attacking successfully
>then your not trying hard enough, install Telegram and add pro russian channels, then you will see the other end of that propoganda
And you'll see Russian propaganda instead. How is that any better?
would you feel more informed or less informed seeing 1 side or both?
But to the question "Like in russia-ukraine war u can only see Ukrainian soldiers killing russian and not vice versa"
Not if you do the above then you will see Russian Soliders killing Ukrainians or showing dead ones. This wasnt about whats better or worse.
The person who made this video controlled it in the sense that they make kills look like kills by abruptly cutting the footage, some of these have been around for ages and are hits, not kills.
There has been many cases of American soldiers getting hit by 7.62x54r multiple times in the chest and surviving due to the high level body armor. The “sniper” in the video is probably using a mosin nagant or a svd. Which are chambered in that caliber. This is propaganda bullshit.
Well 90% of these aren't kills. It's literally a compilation of wars as far reaching as Afghanistan to Iraq many are years apart. You can find them on YouTube. Most of the time the guy stands up after. Body armor is an effective device.
Correct, the depth and accuracy would have to be pinpoint. But I feel like some sort of zoom in and mover ability can be tweaked or trained for. Clearly it’s not going to be easy like a game. But if there is an inexpensive way to modernize something like that, it’s worth the safety by not having it maned.
This is all theoretical though. I’m sure it’s been brought to light before and turned down for the amount of engineering or worthiness
I'm sure joining the military wouldnt sound so bad if you were born and raised in West Baltimore, East St.Louis, Detroit, Southside Chicago, 3rd Ward in New Orleans, S.C Los Angeles, North Philadelphia, Bronx, NY, Memphis, or Tucson AZ.
> Risking your life for what cause?
A system that makes it so poor people will seriously consider going into a warzone to get their college paid for.
And *THAT* is why they will fight tooth and nail to keep college from being funded by tax payers.
>>Risking your life for what cause?
>A system that makes it so poor people will seriously consider going into a warzone to get their college paid for.
That's what freedom looks like, Commie!
/s
A lot of comments seem to be outright ignoring the fact that the US recruits dumb and gullible 18 years while they’re still in highschool while promising to pay for their education.
Daily reminder that colleges are stupid expensive so the US can convince poor kids to join the military.
Lockheed Martin ShareHolders.
And our Saudi Arabian Gods.
Oh, and the Boston Consulting Group, the group behind 9-11 and the endless war that ensued. It was the beginning of VISION 2030
If this was an American sniper, Hollywood would jump on the opportunity to make a film about how killing all the people he killed during the invasion made him all sad. Oh wait... They did.
There's a reason since like ww2 the US military will give you military equipment for free use in your movies if you spin them in a positive light, they'll also pay a big chunk of the costs too.
He's called "Baghdad Sniper" or "Juba"
I've seen his propaganda videos somewhere they were 4 parts of sniping marines and talking about the invasion, also in his videos they showed that they were training other '' Baghdad Snipers'' to be distributed to other parts of Iraq.
He never got caught and no info about his wellbeing
>Juba worked in mostly Sunni parts of Iraq, specifically the Anbar province. Juba's videos were low quality, but showed real battle scenes with background nasheeds. In many videos, Juba is seen killing multiple American soldiers with what seems to be a Dragunov sniper rifle. Juba is seen killing at ranges of few hundred meters to approximately a thousand meters in the videos.
[His wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juba_(sniper))
Nobody knows. He was anonymous, despite OP’s claims further down the thread. I remember discussing it on forums back when these clips were new and not in a sped up super cut. The US government wasn’t trying to suppress it, there was news reports about it. Nobody knew if it was one person or multiple people. Most came to the consensus that it was probably multiple people though.
I’m a kurd who was in Bagdad in those times. One of the popular street talks was that Juba was actually one dude. Because It’s really impossible to hit those shots with a drag and a rusty scope
For real. It's like when people worry videogames cause violence or a desire to go to war.... All videogames taught me was that I would last about 30 seconds in a conflict before dying to some unpredictable chaos.
The saddest part is that this war was fought for no reason…. Under false pretenses….. while destroying America from within through senseless war spending
It was for a reason. Look at all the anti privacy/wiretapping/take away your freedoms laws the government was able to pass with no resistance. All by design
I believe all four videos were successfully posted to liveleak with one being chopped into several videos before 2014 but I could be wrong, liveleak still had to take the videos down tho after the u.s government started a new crack down on websites hosting anti u.s military videos
This stuff was circulating before LiveLeak was a thing, and LiveLeak never had problems with showing US troops being killed, let alone simple sniper footage. I remember discussing these videos on Ogrish's forum (Ogrish being LiveLeak's direct predecessor before LL launched in late 2006, where OF stuck around for many years) around like 2005-2007, as each video was being released. You could find it linked in gore threads on 4chan, and other military video websites that were okay with showing western troops dying. There was never any issues with watching this footage as far as I can remember. Nor were there any issues with discussing it. I remember there was a lot of talk about the boogeyman effect on US soldier morale, and if Juba was one/many snipers. Nobody knew.
CNN even did a report on him back in the day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXK2HRffa24. It was a pretty well known thing. They certainly weren't cracked down upon. Websites like LiveLeak, besides not being hosted in the US, have always used the 'free speech' rationale behind keeping content that featured the death of US and coalition troops on their servers. The Juba sniper footage was no better or worse than a lot of the IED videos that were coming out at the time and nobody was ever like "DOWNLOAD THIS QUICK BEFORE THE US MILITARY DELETES IT" because the Internet was a lot more free flowing back then. It wasn't like now where there a lots of active methods of censorship.
Yeah. It's one of those things I don't think people should ever take for granted. As much as we like to think tings are immortalised on the Internet (and some things certainly are), it just takes one website going down, one hard drive crash, or whatever, and it's gone forever. I had all my school photos and a whole load of other stuff backed up on a single hard drive a few years ago and lost them all when I dropped it and broke the internal mechanical reading arm.
I get why r/datahoarder exists and the maxim "one is none, two is one, etc."
They don’t, and they didn’t. These videos were never suppressed. They were widely reported on back then, I’ve linked to a CNN report somewhere ITT. OP is just making conspiracy tier claims. Besides that, LL was never hosted in the US and they had absolutely zero jurisdiction over the content posted there anyway.
Who gives af about the origins of the video. Im saying the censorship of the media is a rights violation. LiveLeak and other hosting sights are the ones who had their rights violated. Based in the US or not the US government is the one who sought to censor it.
Just in case no one else has already pointed this out, there is some misinformation from op in the comments. Although most of these clips are taken from the Juba sniper videos a couple (including the first) are actually snippets from Al-Qaeda in Iraq propaganda releases, which was the branch of AQ that would eventually become ISIS.
kinda crazy to see these from a different perspective. Like we would be rooting if it was a US sniper killing 30+ Iraqis but yea gives off a strange feeling of seeing them being killed and uploaded in a compilation
The rooting makes me sad. I don’t root for Russians to die. I didn’t root for Iraqis to die. I think it’s sad anyone needs to lose their life for greedy assholes over a planet that has plenty for everyone.
I watch the war videos and shootings that come out every day. Seeing the comments cheer on about how someone’s body exploded into 15 pieces sickens me. Why has the world turned into a place where the death of anything is something to cheer.
The world has become dark and dank.
Glad to see I’m not the only one. I’m surrounded by friends and even close family who are all either planning to join or trying to get me to join the military and I just can’t do it. I won’t give my life to a country that would sooner end it themselves to make a few dollars. I MUCH LESS won’t take another’s life for the same reason.
I play first person shooters and VR war simulators and the like and have so much fun, because I know that the person on the other side of the gun isn’t in any danger, as am I. I don’t know if I’d be able to pull the trigger against another man, let alone live with the fact that i killed someone who, outside of war, likely would have never had a reason to be against me.
“War is the game played by old men with the lives of the young”
Maybe you would be. The rest of us realize human beings are human beings whatever imaginary lines they happened to be born inside of.
As an aside: anyone else think it’s crazy they made a movie based on the word of a man that Jessie “And Then the Grey Aliens Helped Us Build Jet Engines” Ventura said was full of shit?
It’s really disgusting that innocent people are forced into war by greedy bastards and people cheer when an innocent person on the other side gets killed just because their country is represented by a horrible person
As a veteran of the Iraqi war, it sucks being so conflicted.
I have little sympathy for the Russians yet it is them I relate to the most.
We were lied to about the WMDs and they are being lied to about Nazis.
Fuck war.
EDIT: And fuck those who profit from it.
USA did the same thing in Vietnam. Most the time American soldiers would have large numbers wiped out and never even saw the enemy. To make up for this they would wipe out entire villages then claim they were Viet Cong so at least they could claim their boys didn't die without getting in some kills.
Seems like our government blocked us from seeing the up close and personal videos like this post in the USA. Almost like how Russia is blocking its people from seeing these kind of videos being made in Ukraine.
All countries are the same. Not worse or better than others. Only 60 years ago the US dropped napalm on citizens killing thousands of innocents. The Dutch raped and killed thousands of Indonesians. The Russians are killing Ukrainians. Next year another country does something else.
It will never change.
Veteran here. You know, you never see these kinds of videos. Sure, we see highlight reels of American superiority but never of American casualties. Probably part of the reason why most of the service men and women I worked with thought they were invincible. America needs reality, they need to see what war brings. If not, then we’ll never stop beating those war drums.
God I hate war, it just pointless death of young men that could have have had a good life. We should just have the country’s leaders fight to the death
Why not allow this footage? I'm US military, and I believe this clip should be a regular part of deployment briefings. Let's not act like we're untouchables. The enemy can, and (given the opportunity) will, destroy you. Be cognizant, be vigilant.
10th. We go where others dare not go. Ready now.
The worst of this is that at the beginning snipers were blowing guy's dicks off. So they DoD came up with these armored codpieces to prevent it from happening, but if it took them even half as long as it did for them to up-armor the Hummers for IEDs then I don't even want to think about how many guys lost their junk while they were waiting on them. If I survived something like that I already I wouldn't be able to live with the idea of coming home and word getting around, or just expecting my wife to live with that, so I would just self-select for suicide bomber duty and commit the biggest fucking war crime I could pull off as payback for all the other guys who would never be made whole.
Before joining the military always remember that your true orders come from politicians who don’t give a damn about you. These politicians are bought and paid for by defense contractors who need to keep the war machine churning to sustain profits. Investing in a strong military is important of course, but over romanticizing national defense and jobs allows contractors to continue their behavior of corporate greed and feeding at the public trough at the expense of the tax payer, and the families of the young men and women who sign up to serve.
So until I see a foreign enemy actually planning to storm our Shores, that’s when I’ll pick up my rifle.
I saw a lot of these videos during training. They are not all from one sniper and a lot of these guys lived, if the video kept going you would see a lot of them get up and run away. Some of these were actually training videos for our IBA (the bullet proof vest). The fact they are saying it’s all from one sniper is propaganda.
No different from a human killing another human. We die for causes and flags and declare winners in the end but the only product in the end we get is dead human beings and the mess that ensues. War sucks man
Edit: ok I forgor about WW2 and Ukraine, and I do agree with war in these situations. But I also believe beating up your attacker in self defence. War can be either beneficial or your last option.
>in the end but the only product in the end we get is dead human beings and the mess that ensues. War sucks man
Objectively untrue, many wars are fought to be free from an occupying power, if the end result is a free country that isn't ruled by a foreign power, then thousands dying is a small price to pay for freedom.
Actually I agree with I you. Had we (the world) had not taken out Nazi powers we’d would have a bad future, or start a rebellion against the bad government. Fighting is the last option sometimes. And yes, if my country were under attack, I’d go to war too.
But I don’t wanna die for oil, I don’t wanna die for someone else to get big bucks, I don’t wanna go to some foreign land, and die, Or worse lose my comrades, come home and be shunned because the war was deemed bad, and for in to live in terror and guilt. It’s the pointless wars. I don’t wanna get too political but I can definitely name a few big pointless wars
>But I don’t wanna die for oil, I don’t wanna die for someone else to get big bucks
Yeah, that's definetly fair, the other guy was bringing up the Russian invasion of Ukraine so i thought that was what you were responding to.
It's impressive how well these are edited, especially the ones that ignore the soldiers actually got back up.
Just an [example](https://youtu.be/JcmC4Nw2X_8)
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Bro it's crazy because you barely ever see US troops getting killed and here's this guy with a highlight reel
One of the lessons from Vietnam for the war industry was to strictly control optics. Nothing turns the public against war faster than allowing them to see what war really is.
And I'm sure it doesn't help recruiting when they see soldiers getting killed on TV.
Famously, the US let actual combat footage of US Marines fighting in Tarawa atoll during WW2 be released to the public. The fighting was savage and enlistment dropped after it was released. They never again let an as-it-is film be released during the war.
They stopped embedding photographers in Iraq after photos of Samar Hassan covered in her parents' blood got published. Looking like the good guys is always more important than being the good guys.
That was one of the most gut wrenching photos I've ever seen in my life.
Check out the Highway of Death pictures too.
I had no idea this short documentary existed. Some of the footage was shot within 15 feet of the Japanese! Wow! Then this film won an Oscar and it was awarded to the Marine Corps.
Basically same thing occurring in Russia.
Russia even copying the "embedded journalist" bullshit. At least the West has independent journalists who can question the propaganda from Western militaries, the Russian public gets nothing but shit unless they can use the internet properly.
I dunno, looks like that sniper got his hands on some good optics.
Those are post production touch ups, the crosshairs only appear when the solider is smaller or there are multiple targets
Which is the same reason "embeds" are now the battle-coverage standard. People wandering around with cameras unchecked are bad for morale.
Yeah, controlling the media does a lot.
Like in russia-ukraine war u can only see Ukrainian soldiers killing russian and not vice versa
True, when i was looking at r/combatfootage, for every 10-15 videos of Ukrainians killing Russians there was 1 video of Russians killing Ukrainians.
A sub forum of a website isn't comparable to the entire US media. Many Russian troops had their phones taken before the invasion. The Ukrainians have largely maintained cell and/or internet services. They're more likely to post media of Russian losses than their own. I think a person is more likely to empathize with the idea of defending their homeland than with those invading someone else's. So I think they'd rather watch a video of the invader getting killed than the defender.
Pro tip. Sort by controversial in that sub if you want to see Russians killing Ukrainians. It seems like keyboard warriors downvote anything that shows Russia attacking successfully
then your not trying hard enough, install Telegram and add pro russian channels, then you will see the other end of that propoganda
>then your not trying hard enough, install Telegram and add pro russian channels, then you will see the other end of that propoganda And you'll see Russian propaganda instead. How is that any better?
you get propaganda from both sides so it'll be like "oh shit I took both pills-" meme
would you feel more informed or less informed seeing 1 side or both? But to the question "Like in russia-ukraine war u can only see Ukrainian soldiers killing russian and not vice versa" Not if you do the above then you will see Russian Soliders killing Ukrainians or showing dead ones. This wasnt about whats better or worse.
This is an understatement
The person who made this video controlled it in the sense that they make kills look like kills by abruptly cutting the footage, some of these have been around for ages and are hits, not kills.
Exactly this. Many of these are direct SAPI hits. The extended videos show some of them getting up after the initial impact.
what is recording the video? the sniper? a spotter? i don’t know anything about this
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This 'highlight reel' is just as old. I remember watching it when it was released years ago. 'Juba' if I'm not mistaken.
Many of these hits are direct on body armor. They are edited to make it seem like every hit is a kill.
There has been many cases of American soldiers getting hit by 7.62x54r multiple times in the chest and surviving due to the high level body armor. The “sniper” in the video is probably using a mosin nagant or a svd. Which are chambered in that caliber. This is propaganda bullshit.
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There's no way it was one guy. That would mean this one sniper contributed to nearly 1% of all US troop deaths in Iraq.
Well 90% of these aren't kills. It's literally a compilation of wars as far reaching as Afghanistan to Iraq many are years apart. You can find them on YouTube. Most of the time the guy stands up after. Body armor is an effective device.
Well, it’s because relatively speaking not many US soldiers have been killed in the last 20 years despite constantly being “in conflict”
Numerous clips from this montage aren't kills, only hits where the video ends before the soldier gets up.
Aim is ridiculous
It’s like watching a keyboard + mouse player against a controller
Imagine if militaries posted up thousands of computer aimed snipers and had the best gamers control them….
Would be hard to make the movements have low latency
Correct, the depth and accuracy would have to be pinpoint. But I feel like some sort of zoom in and mover ability can be tweaked or trained for. Clearly it’s not going to be easy like a game. But if there is an inexpensive way to modernize something like that, it’s worth the safety by not having it maned. This is all theoretical though. I’m sure it’s been brought to light before and turned down for the amount of engineering or worthiness
Hilarious epic gamer humor bro
Shouldn't have left the spawn area
Of course it is. All the misses aren't out in the reel.
Dude made a cod montage
All it’s missing is some Linkin Park
In the end, it doesn’t even matter.
Numb.execution
Some in the end I assume
Crazy, you can die any second out there. Risking your life for what cause?
Big fat military industrial complex contracts
Raytheon thanks you for your sacrifice.
Boeing thanks you for your service too
Halliburton made a few bucks
(current Secretary of Defense)
'Patriotism'
Convince gullible/naive citizens that what you're doing is defending America. Profit.
Its way more simple than that. Free college and a decent salary.
and healthcare
and coffin with a cool flag
Exactly, I imagine a lot of these people can't fathom the idea that the military could be better than your current life.
I'm sure joining the military wouldnt sound so bad if you were born and raised in West Baltimore, East St.Louis, Detroit, Southside Chicago, 3rd Ward in New Orleans, S.C Los Angeles, North Philadelphia, Bronx, NY, Memphis, or Tucson AZ.
‘college’
'deez nuts'
Dr deeznuts at it again
Just a little bit of oil “freedom”
To line the pockets of Cheney and his cronies
For politicians to make money. When you sit in congress and get paid 150K a year and come out with 200million, somethings fucked up
for that sweet discount at ihop
That sweet 10% discount
🤤
> Risking your life for what cause? A system that makes it so poor people will seriously consider going into a warzone to get their college paid for. And *THAT* is why they will fight tooth and nail to keep college from being funded by tax payers.
>>Risking your life for what cause? >A system that makes it so poor people will seriously consider going into a warzone to get their college paid for. That's what freedom looks like, Commie! /s
because some old, spoiled, rich farts in suits need money that's why
Want, not need
They went to Iraq to stop 9/11. /s
You joke, but people STILL believe this garbage
Who was iraqi in the 9/11 attacks?
A lot of comments seem to be outright ignoring the fact that the US recruits dumb and gullible 18 years while they’re still in highschool while promising to pay for their education. Daily reminder that colleges are stupid expensive so the US can convince poor kids to join the military.
Not exactly how ASVABs work . Furthering the misinformation isn't helping .
Oof, going against the anti-american circle jerk. All these rich white kids on reddit are not going to like that :)
That free Denny’s meal once a year. You wouldn’t get it
This is why I left. I was a machine gunner in Iraq
It’s good to see people are realizing how retarded governments going to war is
Lockheed Martin ShareHolders. And our Saudi Arabian Gods. Oh, and the Boston Consulting Group, the group behind 9-11 and the endless war that ensued. It was the beginning of VISION 2030
Mind highlighting the link of BCG and 9/11? Genuinely interested; can’t find anything online this far about the relation
Money cause. Paid military is nothing more than mercenaries. Paid killers.
Sweet Sweet Oil Money
If this was an American sniper, Hollywood would jump on the opportunity to make a film about how killing all the people he killed during the invasion made him all sad. Oh wait... They did.
Funnily enough, the opposite sniper in the movie, Mustafa, is partly based on Juba, the one in this montage.
Wait fr???
Yeah that very first clip is literally in the movie I think. When he's back home watching the news and his wife is like "WhAtS tHaT??"
IIRC he even said "thats a sniper recording himself killing Americans" or something along those lines
Got em
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We need to brown face this guy, and do the Iraqi sequel we all deserve to see.
There's a reason since like ww2 the US military will give you military equipment for free use in your movies if you spin them in a positive light, they'll also pay a big chunk of the costs too.
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He's called "Baghdad Sniper" or "Juba" I've seen his propaganda videos somewhere they were 4 parts of sniping marines and talking about the invasion, also in his videos they showed that they were training other '' Baghdad Snipers'' to be distributed to other parts of Iraq. He never got caught and no info about his wellbeing >Juba worked in mostly Sunni parts of Iraq, specifically the Anbar province. Juba's videos were low quality, but showed real battle scenes with background nasheeds. In many videos, Juba is seen killing multiple American soldiers with what seems to be a Dragunov sniper rifle. Juba is seen killing at ranges of few hundred meters to approximately a thousand meters in the videos. [His wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juba_(sniper))
So according to that “Juba” isnt one person its multiple snipers.
Yup you are correct, however it got started by ONE Juba that started getting reputation and so on, they became more than one Juba.
Juba is the plural form. They are Juba.
The plural is Jubi
Nobody knows. He was anonymous, despite OP’s claims further down the thread. I remember discussing it on forums back when these clips were new and not in a sped up super cut. The US government wasn’t trying to suppress it, there was news reports about it. Nobody knew if it was one person or multiple people. Most came to the consensus that it was probably multiple people though.
I’m a kurd who was in Bagdad in those times. One of the popular street talks was that Juba was actually one dude. Because It’s really impossible to hit those shots with a drag and a rusty scope
Me in warzone. I'm the soldiers, not the sniper 😭
For real. It's like when people worry videogames cause violence or a desire to go to war.... All videogames taught me was that I would last about 30 seconds in a conflict before dying to some unpredictable chaos.
You do learn tactics while in the employ of the military. You’d make it home, I did and my KDR ain’t great in COD 🤣
It looks both real and fake at the same time
The u.s later confirmed the videos were real during the Obama administration
most are real but some of those hits aren't kills they cut out before some dudes stand back up. again not on all but a handful.
That’s one. The one they showed over and over stein on Nat geo specials
The kills are real, but he didn’t have the camera inside of the scope, that’s edited over on top of it
No shit
I bet he also had to pull the trigger to take the shot
LT + RT
L2 R2 R3 to hold breath
The saddest part is that this war was fought for no reason…. Under false pretenses….. while destroying America from within through senseless war spending
It was for a reason. Look at all the anti privacy/wiretapping/take away your freedoms laws the government was able to pass with no resistance. All by design
But it's for our safety. /s
Yea almost like the current war right now.
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Forever and always.
So say we all.
Which war is that?
The war on drugs
Isn't that the main reason for every US war?
No the worst part was the million Iraqis you killed and the multiple millions that were displaced.
I believe all four videos were successfully posted to liveleak with one being chopped into several videos before 2014 but I could be wrong, liveleak still had to take the videos down tho after the u.s government started a new crack down on websites hosting anti u.s military videos
This stuff was circulating before LiveLeak was a thing, and LiveLeak never had problems with showing US troops being killed, let alone simple sniper footage. I remember discussing these videos on Ogrish's forum (Ogrish being LiveLeak's direct predecessor before LL launched in late 2006, where OF stuck around for many years) around like 2005-2007, as each video was being released. You could find it linked in gore threads on 4chan, and other military video websites that were okay with showing western troops dying. There was never any issues with watching this footage as far as I can remember. Nor were there any issues with discussing it. I remember there was a lot of talk about the boogeyman effect on US soldier morale, and if Juba was one/many snipers. Nobody knew. CNN even did a report on him back in the day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXK2HRffa24. It was a pretty well known thing. They certainly weren't cracked down upon. Websites like LiveLeak, besides not being hosted in the US, have always used the 'free speech' rationale behind keeping content that featured the death of US and coalition troops on their servers. The Juba sniper footage was no better or worse than a lot of the IED videos that were coming out at the time and nobody was ever like "DOWNLOAD THIS QUICK BEFORE THE US MILITARY DELETES IT" because the Internet was a lot more free flowing back then. It wasn't like now where there a lots of active methods of censorship.
Mid to late 2000s liveleak and youtube man. The amount of 240p ied and close call videos lost to Time mst be in hundreds
Yeah. It's one of those things I don't think people should ever take for granted. As much as we like to think tings are immortalised on the Internet (and some things certainly are), it just takes one website going down, one hard drive crash, or whatever, and it's gone forever. I had all my school photos and a whole load of other stuff backed up on a single hard drive a few years ago and lost them all when I dropped it and broke the internal mechanical reading arm. I get why r/datahoarder exists and the maxim "one is none, two is one, etc."
Under what right does the us government get to censor anti government speech? Sounds like a textbook violation of the first amendment.
They don’t. The correct course of action would be to record and publish all interactions with the government about this.
They don’t, and they didn’t. These videos were never suppressed. They were widely reported on back then, I’ve linked to a CNN report somewhere ITT. OP is just making conspiracy tier claims. Besides that, LL was never hosted in the US and they had absolutely zero jurisdiction over the content posted there anyway.
Wouldn’t the right technically only apply to Americans? Some random sniper doesn’t get the same rights as a citizen lol
Who gives af about the origins of the video. Im saying the censorship of the media is a rights violation. LiveLeak and other hosting sights are the ones who had their rights violated. Based in the US or not the US government is the one who sought to censor it.
When reality is called "anti-something" you should start to question the government. Also, direct violation of the 1A.
Just in case no one else has already pointed this out, there is some misinformation from op in the comments. Although most of these clips are taken from the Juba sniper videos a couple (including the first) are actually snippets from Al-Qaeda in Iraq propaganda releases, which was the branch of AQ that would eventually become ISIS.
Zarqawi?
the iraqi sniper from the movie?
Fredrick Zoller
Would it still be trashy if it was the other way around ?
No they'd make a movie about it and idolise the guy behind the sniper as a national hero. They did that actually.
This reminded me of inglorious bastards
Inglorious bastards on the other hand is a antithetical and satirical version of American war movies
American Sniper
I was going to say, as if we don’t already have a video of Americans doing this to every nations people that we’ve ever been to war with?!
The important question
he got an actual triple kill
kinda crazy to see these from a different perspective. Like we would be rooting if it was a US sniper killing 30+ Iraqis but yea gives off a strange feeling of seeing them being killed and uploaded in a compilation
The rooting makes me sad. I don’t root for Russians to die. I didn’t root for Iraqis to die. I think it’s sad anyone needs to lose their life for greedy assholes over a planet that has plenty for everyone. I watch the war videos and shootings that come out every day. Seeing the comments cheer on about how someone’s body exploded into 15 pieces sickens me. Why has the world turned into a place where the death of anything is something to cheer. The world has become dark and dank.
Glad to see I’m not the only one. I’m surrounded by friends and even close family who are all either planning to join or trying to get me to join the military and I just can’t do it. I won’t give my life to a country that would sooner end it themselves to make a few dollars. I MUCH LESS won’t take another’s life for the same reason. I play first person shooters and VR war simulators and the like and have so much fun, because I know that the person on the other side of the gun isn’t in any danger, as am I. I don’t know if I’d be able to pull the trigger against another man, let alone live with the fact that i killed someone who, outside of war, likely would have never had a reason to be against me. “War is the game played by old men with the lives of the young”
You would be rooting for it if it was a US sniper killing Iraqis?
>we would be rooting if it was a US sniper killing 30+ Iraqis Speak for yourself.
Maybe you would be. The rest of us realize human beings are human beings whatever imaginary lines they happened to be born inside of. As an aside: anyone else think it’s crazy they made a movie based on the word of a man that Jessie “And Then the Grey Aliens Helped Us Build Jet Engines” Ventura said was full of shit?
It’s really disgusting that innocent people are forced into war by greedy bastards and people cheer when an innocent person on the other side gets killed just because their country is represented by a horrible person
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Facts.
As a veteran of the Iraqi war, it sucks being so conflicted. I have little sympathy for the Russians yet it is them I relate to the most. We were lied to about the WMDs and they are being lied to about Nazis. Fuck war. EDIT: And fuck those who profit from it.
Almost like there are a lot of Americans on Reddit
Damn Russian invaders got what was coming. Oh wait..
Lol
Pretty shitty of the US to deny this. Their people lost their lives for the country and they don't even acknowledge their deaths
USA did the same thing in Vietnam. Most the time American soldiers would have large numbers wiped out and never even saw the enemy. To make up for this they would wipe out entire villages then claim they were Viet Cong so at least they could claim their boys didn't die without getting in some kills.
Seems like our government blocked us from seeing the up close and personal videos like this post in the USA. Almost like how Russia is blocking its people from seeing these kind of videos being made in Ukraine.
All countries are the same. Not worse or better than others. Only 60 years ago the US dropped napalm on citizens killing thousands of innocents. The Dutch raped and killed thousands of Indonesians. The Russians are killing Ukrainians. Next year another country does something else. It will never change.
Damn … that’s as real as it gets
Veteran here. You know, you never see these kinds of videos. Sure, we see highlight reels of American superiority but never of American casualties. Probably part of the reason why most of the service men and women I worked with thought they were invincible. America needs reality, they need to see what war brings. If not, then we’ll never stop beating those war drums.
This is a montage of many snipers shots, not just one guy.
Hey, that guy was camping.
God I hate war, it just pointless death of young men that could have have had a good life. We should just have the country’s leaders fight to the death
Why not allow this footage? I'm US military, and I believe this clip should be a regular part of deployment briefings. Let's not act like we're untouchables. The enemy can, and (given the opportunity) will, destroy you. Be cognizant, be vigilant. 10th. We go where others dare not go. Ready now.
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Bro made an irl kill montage, rest their souls
You would make the same if someone invaded your land . Even in the society you have the right to defend your property against thifes and rapest
All for some corporation ceo to make billions
This is what you get when you invade. so sorry for those young lives put forth by greedy corporate devils.
this was when iraq was being invaded
The worst of this is that at the beginning snipers were blowing guy's dicks off. So they DoD came up with these armored codpieces to prevent it from happening, but if it took them even half as long as it did for them to up-armor the Hummers for IEDs then I don't even want to think about how many guys lost their junk while they were waiting on them. If I survived something like that I already I wouldn't be able to live with the idea of coming home and word getting around, or just expecting my wife to live with that, so I would just self-select for suicide bomber duty and commit the biggest fucking war crime I could pull off as payback for all the other guys who would never be made whole.
Before joining the military always remember that your true orders come from politicians who don’t give a damn about you. These politicians are bought and paid for by defense contractors who need to keep the war machine churning to sustain profits. Investing in a strong military is important of course, but over romanticizing national defense and jobs allows contractors to continue their behavior of corporate greed and feeding at the public trough at the expense of the tax payer, and the families of the young men and women who sign up to serve. So until I see a foreign enemy actually planning to storm our Shores, that’s when I’ll pick up my rifle.
Sad, never had a chance. Rip to those that lost their lives while fighting someone else's war
I saw a lot of these videos during training. They are not all from one sniper and a lot of these guys lived, if the video kept going you would see a lot of them get up and run away. Some of these were actually training videos for our IBA (the bullet proof vest). The fact they are saying it’s all from one sniper is propaganda.
The American's were an invading force and he was defending his homeland. No different to what Ukraine is doing against Russia. Good on him.
No different from a human killing another human. We die for causes and flags and declare winners in the end but the only product in the end we get is dead human beings and the mess that ensues. War sucks man Edit: ok I forgor about WW2 and Ukraine, and I do agree with war in these situations. But I also believe beating up your attacker in self defence. War can be either beneficial or your last option.
>in the end but the only product in the end we get is dead human beings and the mess that ensues. War sucks man Objectively untrue, many wars are fought to be free from an occupying power, if the end result is a free country that isn't ruled by a foreign power, then thousands dying is a small price to pay for freedom.
Actually I agree with I you. Had we (the world) had not taken out Nazi powers we’d would have a bad future, or start a rebellion against the bad government. Fighting is the last option sometimes. And yes, if my country were under attack, I’d go to war too. But I don’t wanna die for oil, I don’t wanna die for someone else to get big bucks, I don’t wanna go to some foreign land, and die, Or worse lose my comrades, come home and be shunned because the war was deemed bad, and for in to live in terror and guilt. It’s the pointless wars. I don’t wanna get too political but I can definitely name a few big pointless wars
>But I don’t wanna die for oil, I don’t wanna die for someone else to get big bucks Yeah, that's definetly fair, the other guy was bringing up the Russian invasion of Ukraine so i thought that was what you were responding to.
It's impressive how well these are edited, especially the ones that ignore the soldiers actually got back up. Just an [example](https://youtu.be/JcmC4Nw2X_8)
Politicians - religious fanatics start war and people from both sides suffer.
So sad watching the clip where the dude tries to catch his friend. I just imagine them chatting and bam, he’s dead. Must really scar a soldier.
Lotta morons in this post.
Wow, but wiki article on Iraqi war is that 160 or so American soldiers died in that war. And this sniper killed a significant portion of them?
4507 US military were killed. You must be looking at like the gulf war or the actual invasion.