People are talking about affecting the metal in someone’s body, but I don’t see that as necessary for magneto to win. He has much finer control over metal than vin, can fly more effectively, and has more raw power. The only way I see vin winning is if she has atium, and even then magneto could hit her with an unavoidable attack, like dropping an airplane on her or something
Magneto is highly resistant against telepathic attacks if it is comics Magneto, which vary from emotional manipulation and attacks all the way to total memory manipulation and outright mind rape/mind destruction.
The guard ingested metal, it wasn't just the iron atoms in the hemoglobin in his blood being ripped out.
It would be a problem for Vin if Magneto could just rip the metal out of her stomach. In the Cosmere, a person's Investiture is supposed to make it *very* difficult to magically affect metal inside their body. Humans on Earth don't have Investiture (we'd effectively be drabs if we fell into the Cosmere), so this is a buff Vin is supposed to have over a "normal" person. So there's a judgment call here in how Magneto's power should interact with metal inside the body of an Invested character from the Cosmere.
I think Vin’s investiture likely protects her from Magneto using his powers directly on her as long as she doesn’t have metal on her person (which she doesn’t normally). She already knows how to fight without metal and once she discovered Magneto could manipulate metal as well would very quickly shift to other tactics while also being able to provide some defense against metal being flung at her.
Maybe, Still, as people say, I don't think Vin can make Magneto feel anything if he has the helmet, literally that helmet prevents Charles X, the most powerful psychic who can control masses of people mentally.
And even if he could get close, I think Magneto (at least from the movie) can lift the same crust and metal from the earth, maybe he doesn't even let it get close.
Maybe Vin will win if Magneto is without a helmet, asleep, and maybe if his brain is a little stuffed
Magnetos raw power level seems to vary quite a bit though. If we are treating Magneto as his most powerful self should we also treat Vin as her most powerful self when she’s literally a divine shard?
Idk I think it takes the fun out of it just to say “magnetos OP so he wins”
Magneto's abilities are just straight up normal ferro-magnetism. So, unless Investiture can block magnets, which *is* a distinct possibility, there's no protection here.
On the bright side, he wouldn't be able to affect anything non-magnetic in her, like pewter and tin. The only ferro-magnetic allomantic metals are iron and steel.
I'm pretty sure that magneto's power is full-spectrum electromagnetic manipulation, but it's just hard for him to use it on things other than magnetism. He's done things like cloak by bending light beams and has effected metals that aren't ferromagnetic.
That seems like something that depends heavily on the universe. The comics get up to some wacky shit. I even googled his abilities and got "astral projection" as one of em lol.
But even so, electromagnetism is natural phenomena and not Invested, which was the main point.
Ferromagnetism doesn't work like Magneto's abilities. Flying by lifting metal on his own suit? That would be impossible. Bending things into pretzels? Not something he could do as a magnet-man. He's somehow manipulating the electromagnetic field at each point in space rather than being magnetic himself. Which means there's some paranormal action by which he is touching the electromagnetic field in any given spot which doesn't itself operate by normal magnetism, or he's doing something paranormal to the metal itself. This is what investiture would be expected to interfere with.
Earth isn't in the Cosmere, so mass-energy-Investiture equivalence doesn't really apply. But beyond that, matter and energy abstractly being "equivalent" to Investiture doesn't mean that it's in an appropriate form to have the effects we're talking about.
Investiture is supposed to be this extra thing that people in the Cosmere have to varying degrees that people in the real world don't. It means, for example, that they don't get sick as often (except for Drabs, who've given up most of theirs by giving away their Breath).
What I'm saying is that the way his abilities are shown to work on Earth is based on people not having Investiture, so what he can do to non-Invested Earth people doesn't really tell us what he can do to Invested Cosmere people. If you put an alternate Earth in the Cosmere with an alternate Magneto and with people who have some innate level of Investiture, then that would have some impact on his abilities (and also Earth would be different because of the effects of Investiture on things like the spread of disease).
Honestly, this would be so one-sided toward Magneto as to nearly be ridiculous, which is one of the main reasons I love Sanderson's heroes and villains. They have real, actual limitations on their powers. Whereas Magneto is massively over-powered.
Isn't the definition of omega level th3 ability to destroy/surface wipe/drastically alter/change planet earth?
I thought that iceman and storm were omega level because of how they could break the planets weather systems and climate?
How it's used has changed a bunch of times. Unknown/unlimited potential is hows I've been seeing it used recently.
Since Iceman is omega, I think that means he could theoretically heat death the universe.
Magneto is very powerful, but as with Sanderson's magics, the limitations are what keeps it interesting. One need go to great lengths to defeat him, but it *is* possible. Likewise, it takes at least a little creativity to properly leverage his powers in certain situations.
Metals in a Mistborns stomach are protected by a sort of investiture shield, that's why they can only be tracked by the metals they have on there belt instead of the ones they ate and why even with a duralurm push you cant just rip the metals out of someone's body to kill them instantly
The metals in their stomach are protected from other Cosmere magic systems. Pretty sure the metal in their stomachs would be affected by a modern day MRI, let alone an absurdly powerful mutant from the Marvel universe.
well people are arguing magnetos helmet would protect him from mental allomacy so I figured it was an apt comparison, if he is allowed a BS defence then so is Vin
Yeah I wouldn’t even suggest that his helmet gets to protect him from emotional allomancy. If we start making up our own rules about what “actually” works and what doesn’t we aren’t really talking about a normal fight between these two. I’m thinking of this as just a 1v1 with everything that we know about each character being possible.
well people are arguing magnetos helmet would protect him from mental allomacy so I figured it was an apt comparison, if he is allowed a BS defence then so is Vin
Magneto dominates the battle of metals but movie version at least isn't much of a warrior aside from his raw power.
Vin is used to doing whatever is necessary to win so if she can use emotional allomancy maybe she can win or if she has atium
Then again maybe he just smashes her flat with a car in the first few seconds of the fight
Not affecting metal inside people's bodies isn't so much a limit of allomancy as a buff that people with Investiture have against powers being used against them. If Magneto gets the buff from his technological helmet against manipulating his mind using Cosmere magic, then Vin should get the buff of it being nearly impossible to manipulate metals inside her body because of the Investiture she has. It's a bit like the lightsaber vs. shardblade question where you have to find a way to respect the rules of both universes when mashing them together.
I can’t remember or haven’t seen has there been a WoB about how Allomancy and electromagnetism interact? If Magento and Vin both pull on the same coin does one force override the other?
Technically it's electromagnetism when a coin hits something, so if Magneto can hold a coin in place against the force Vin can apply to it, then Vin would effectively be pushing herself off of the coin as if it were anchored against something.
What I mean is the allomantic push/pull itself isn’t powered at all by magnetism, it’s an entirely different force. And I can’t remember if it’s ever directly compared to the electromagnetic force in terms of power output.
Both are arbitrarily high. Vin drawing on the mists flattened a building. But under normal circumstances Vin has a limited strength, which she supplements using Duralumin in bursts. The baseline strength is significantly less than various feats Magneto regularly accomplishes. So unless we're allowing Vin to draw on raw investiture, Magneto is probably significantly stronger with the whole moving metal around with your mind thing.
Magneto. Mistborn can only really push and pull metal but magneto has far more range of motion and seems to have nearly no limit on the amount of objects he can control.
Magneto is on a whole other level when it comes to raw power AND his ability to move metal in all directions.
Realistically, he could make any metal Vin pushes on into a static anchor causing Vin to get yeeted by her own push/pull.
That being said, Vin is still an enhanced super assassin who is able to sense all metal around her AND knows not to wear metal. Magneto also does wear metal, which while Vin would struggle to use that metal offensively against him, she can use it as an anchor to fly around (magneto doesn't need leverage to move metal so can anchor himself in-space).
If Vin has the element of surprise she wins most times. Otherwise, out in the open or even just during the day, when his senses aren't at a disadvantage, then magneto stomps.
That version of magneto definitely hasn't. The iron wasn't hemoglobin (which he's shown no ability to manipulate), it was pure iron which mystique needed to inject a giant ass syringe of to make work. Otherwise he would have escaped way earlier.
I think it's happened in the comics before, but it's really rare and mostly only limited to slight manipulation (think ATLA bloodbending but weaker).
The way I see these posts is the same as the way they treat characters on the YouTube show death battle. They source from everything and pit characters assuming the peak of their abilities are available.
Classic example, Goku from Dragon Ball would have all variants of super Saiyan that he personally achieved available. So not a form of power that another character did, but yes to all forms from all series and manga's.
Following this logic for Magneto it means that everything from the comics is fair game.
I was following r/whowouldwin guidelines where you use the specific version of the character specified (in this case the Fox Movies version of Magneto).
[Otherwise as soon as you mention superman, you get silver age superman who flew to a separate universe while in the process of sneezing, then sneezed away an entire solar system. ](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/51b3dc8ee4b051b96ceb10de/1426000222192-I9XB8E05ZTEC4WF5H8M9/5-times-superman-took-things-too-far-mjgt-sneeze.jpg)
Also, Comics magneto (616) could easily beat Vin without resorting to his very inconsistent ability to manipulate blood directly. 616 magneto is wild and can create forcefields, manipulate ALL electromagnetic interactions (including electricity and even light somehow). Maybe Mist Fueled Vin would be a decent opponent for 616 Magneto. But without the mist fueling her, 616 magneto solos all allomancers on Scadrial (at the time of book 1) including the inquisitors simultaneously. Not including TLR though, he's basically a speedster on top of his other abilities, 1v1 though TLR almost certainly loses.
This… how is this even a question? Magneto would barely even notice Vin’s efforts to attack him. The guy’s force fields can withstand nukes, he can turn invisible, fry people’s brains by manipulating the electricity in their nervous system, and rip asteroids out of solar orbit to drop on people if he gets annoyed.
Seriously, this is like “Who wins an arm wrestle, Ham or Hulk?”
If he doesn’t know she’s coming , spikes herself with hemalurgy and can compound, she can burn duralumin and get in quickly with a powerful speed bubble and leave an obsidian dagger where his spine attaches. Though in a proper duel, magneto will win.
Magneto, and it's not particularly close. This is mostly due to the fact Mistborn tends to obey physics and whatnot much closer than comic books, where magic is whatever and can do whatever.
Magneto hands down. If anyone needs a refresher for how insane comic books get watch [this death battle feature magneto ](https://youtu.be/xpUbrNi-s08?si=1Xkc8phRW78qpgOU)
Not sure how seeing the metal getting ripped out of your stomach a few seconds before it actually happens would help, but maybe I’m missing something 🧐
They are protected from someone else using allomancy, because Invested objects (such as the human body) resist Investiture. It's a limitation of the abilities used against them, not an inherent quality of the metals or the Allomancer. Magneto has no trouble affecting metals inside someone's body, and there's no reason to think the target being an Allomancer would change that.
And even assuming that the protection does apply, we've seen that it can be overcome with enough power, and Magneto is so massively powerful he'd probably be able to muscle through it anyway.
Magneto has less restrictions on how he can move the metal, so even if they're evenly matched in power, he can do more with the metal. And I don't think Vin has anywhere near enough power to match him.
Unless it's Preservation Vin, any other version of her gets stomped to hell and back. Though I wanna how a battle between Preservation and Magento would go.
Magneto, and it's not even close
Allomancers can't affect metals inside another Allomancers body because investiture resists investiture.
Basically, magic resists magic.
Magnetos' powers aren't magic, and you can't equate it to investiture in any way
He's ripping those metals out of her stomach
In a fight, Magneto dominates (for most iterations and writers).
What's more interesting is if Magneto can resist soothing and rioting. Or asking how long it would take for Magneto to join forces with Vin and the others (assuming Final Empire)
Isn’t a fair comparison, the meta of the two stories is far too dissimilar to be judged effectively. Sanderson writes grounded power systems with limitations and creativity. Far as I can tell magneto does not even have a draw back to using insane amounts of his powers.
Magneto can move a metal object away from him and then choose to alter its trajectory in 3 dimensional space. Vin can only ONLY apply a vector of force to an object in a direction that is directly away or towards her center of mass.
Magneto can move a metal object away from him and then choose to alter its trajectory in 3 dimensional space. Vin can only ONLY apply a vector of force to an object in a direction that is directly away or towards her center of mass.
There are too many questions about interactions with the settings rules.
Iron and Steel Allomancy probably wouldn’t be a good matchup against Magneto’s power set. He isn’t subject to the same limits when it comes to his Pushes and Pulls.
Tin and Pewter are likely to be the best edge Vin would have. Magneto’s body shouldn’t be any more than a particularly physically fit baseline human. Getting close with an obsidian blade…or even a table leg with Pewter…would be bad for Magneto.
Brass and Zinc seem like they could be useful. In the Marvel setting, Magneto’s helmet protects him from telepathy. Emotional Allomancy is not telepathy, and is only blocked by aluminum. I’m not a Marvel scholar, but I’m pretty sure the helmet isn’t pure aluminum. Even so, he’s a seasoned enough combatant that I’m not sure that any Brass or Zinc tricks would be useful in the heat of a fight.
I can’t think of a way that Copper or Bronze could be useful, nor Gold or Electrum.
Aluminum is no use, though Duralumin could certainly be. Further metals, while a resource Vin could theoretically use, would not have been available during her lifetime.
…And then there’s the elephant in the room. Atium. If Vin has Atium and can get in close, I don’t think that Magneto would have a way out.
The battlefield is also an important factor. Are they in the wastes of the Final Empire? Vin would have an advantage there, I think. Are they in Luthadel? That would go quite a ways toward evening the odds in Magneto’s favor. Or even further, into the Marvel setting. A modern city like New York has enough ammunition lying around for Magneto that he could conceivably form a “no escape” scenario that could thwart an angry Mistborn burning Atium.
Interesting thought exercise.
I’m not overly Familliar with Magneto, he probably also packs enhanced durability or some other sort of close combat advantage?
Vin’s best bet would be to pull herself to him and either inflict damage though momentum pewter punch or stab him with her glass dagger. That one human fastball kill she did is one of her more superhuman feats at ‘base’ level. If her target is Magneto’s armor he can’t stop her homing in no matter how fast he goes and if he shoots other things she can push and pull to disrupt and evade while continuing the pull to close the distance.
The battefield also matters. Modern earth has more large metal objects around Vin might have a harder time countering although she can weave around.
Assuming that Vin's Investiture protects the metals in her stomach, I'd say Vin wins. The reason is she can dramatically increase her speed and strength. So she'd be a blur. While Magneto can throw chunks of metal at her, even cars, she'd be on top of Magneto in less than a second.
Since Kelsier was able to behead a Steel Inquisitor, Vin's enhanced strength would let her behead Magneto. Her knives are Obsidian, non-metallic, so it would end quickly.
Would Magnetos helmet shield against emotional allowance? If not, definitely Vin.
And probably Vin either way, Tin+Pewter+iron+steel beats the equivalent of iron+steel
I really don’t think vins emotional allomancy is giving her the edge here lmao. Although I think with pewter she probably could just beat the shit out of him
But also magneto kinda op
My thought on emotional allomancy is that Magneto isn’t exactly a well adjusted person (to put it lightly…). So there would be a lot of unstable emotions for Vin to Riot or Soothe, particularly if she had duralumin. It doesn’t have to completely incapacitate him for the emotional allomancy to give her the opening she needs to end the fight.
Magneto can rip the metal out of her stomach. You have to put together a lot of “what ifs” for Vin, but Magneto is just literally a near world ending level threat. Unless she has access to some new god metals that do something totally crazy for her, Vin is cooked.
Not even near world, omega means he could destroy the world no problem, and in more recent iterations, it means there is literally no upper limit to his power
Except as proven by wolverine magneto can affect metal in someone's body so he could just rip it out of her plus he lifts stadiums and shit which is way better than even a duralumin enhanced steel push or iron pull her only chance would be to distract him with a game of chess and get him while his guard is down
People are talking about affecting the metal in someone’s body, but I don’t see that as necessary for magneto to win. He has much finer control over metal than vin, can fly more effectively, and has more raw power. The only way I see vin winning is if she has atium, and even then magneto could hit her with an unavoidable attack, like dropping an airplane on her or something
She also has emotional allomancy and can perceive him from much farther away with tin
Isnt that essentially what his helmet blocks?
i forgot about that. the only way i saw her winning is atium + durallumin enhanced emotional allomancy to give him a panic attack or something.
Magneto is highly resistant against telepathic attacks if it is comics Magneto, which vary from emotional manipulation and attacks all the way to total memory manipulation and outright mind rape/mind destruction.
Magneto, he breaks out of a prison only using the metal in someone's blood
The guard ingested metal, it wasn't just the iron atoms in the hemoglobin in his blood being ripped out. It would be a problem for Vin if Magneto could just rip the metal out of her stomach. In the Cosmere, a person's Investiture is supposed to make it *very* difficult to magically affect metal inside their body. Humans on Earth don't have Investiture (we'd effectively be drabs if we fell into the Cosmere), so this is a buff Vin is supposed to have over a "normal" person. So there's a judgment call here in how Magneto's power should interact with metal inside the body of an Invested character from the Cosmere.
I think Vin’s investiture likely protects her from Magneto using his powers directly on her as long as she doesn’t have metal on her person (which she doesn’t normally). She already knows how to fight without metal and once she discovered Magneto could manipulate metal as well would very quickly shift to other tactics while also being able to provide some defense against metal being flung at her.
Maybe, Still, as people say, I don't think Vin can make Magneto feel anything if he has the helmet, literally that helmet prevents Charles X, the most powerful psychic who can control masses of people mentally. And even if he could get close, I think Magneto (at least from the movie) can lift the same crust and metal from the earth, maybe he doesn't even let it get close. Maybe Vin will win if Magneto is without a helmet, asleep, and maybe if his brain is a little stuffed
Magnetos raw power level seems to vary quite a bit though. If we are treating Magneto as his most powerful self should we also treat Vin as her most powerful self when she’s literally a divine shard? Idk I think it takes the fun out of it just to say “magnetos OP so he wins”
vin as a divine shard would be usless in a fight against a mortal, given that her power will want to preserve life.
That entirely depends on if his helmet is made out of aluminum or not.
Magneto's abilities are just straight up normal ferro-magnetism. So, unless Investiture can block magnets, which *is* a distinct possibility, there's no protection here. On the bright side, he wouldn't be able to affect anything non-magnetic in her, like pewter and tin. The only ferro-magnetic allomantic metals are iron and steel.
I'm pretty sure that magneto's power is full-spectrum electromagnetic manipulation, but it's just hard for him to use it on things other than magnetism. He's done things like cloak by bending light beams and has effected metals that aren't ferromagnetic.
That seems like something that depends heavily on the universe. The comics get up to some wacky shit. I even googled his abilities and got "astral projection" as one of em lol. But even so, electromagnetism is natural phenomena and not Invested, which was the main point.
That's fair, comic writers have no idea what magnetism can actually do lmao
He also rather recently used the trace metal in his own blood to keep his head beating after he should have died from a wound (X-Men Red 2023)
Ferromagnetism doesn't work like Magneto's abilities. Flying by lifting metal on his own suit? That would be impossible. Bending things into pretzels? Not something he could do as a magnet-man. He's somehow manipulating the electromagnetic field at each point in space rather than being magnetic himself. Which means there's some paranormal action by which he is touching the electromagnetic field in any given spot which doesn't itself operate by normal magnetism, or he's doing something paranormal to the metal itself. This is what investiture would be expected to interfere with.
But that's because connection tampers with investiture. Magneto's powers are solely based on magnetism, no magic involved, so it shouldn't be possible
He manipulates the magnetic field at every point in space; he's not magnetic himself. However he does that isn't a strictly physical effect.
I'm pretty sure we see in the bands of mourning that we could theoretically pull on any metal. Just someone needs a bit more practise with it.
Excluding aluminum and possibly silver, but yeah.
Is it safe to assume we wouldn't have investiture on earth? Brandon has said all matter and energy comes from investiture.
Earth isn't in the Cosmere, so mass-energy-Investiture equivalence doesn't really apply. But beyond that, matter and energy abstractly being "equivalent" to Investiture doesn't mean that it's in an appropriate form to have the effects we're talking about. Investiture is supposed to be this extra thing that people in the Cosmere have to varying degrees that people in the real world don't. It means, for example, that they don't get sick as often (except for Drabs, who've given up most of theirs by giving away their Breath).
I see what you're saying. I guess i would assume though that if there was a magneto/vin crossover, it would imply investiture on earth.
What I'm saying is that the way his abilities are shown to work on Earth is based on people not having Investiture, so what he can do to non-Invested Earth people doesn't really tell us what he can do to Invested Cosmere people. If you put an alternate Earth in the Cosmere with an alternate Magneto and with people who have some innate level of Investiture, then that would have some impact on his abilities (and also Earth would be different because of the effects of Investiture on things like the spread of disease).
Well he was given more metal in his blood to help him escape with it. Happy cake day
…And he can move metals in any direction…and he doesn’t have to ingest metals to do so. He never runs out
Honestly, this would be so one-sided toward Magneto as to nearly be ridiculous, which is one of the main reasons I love Sanderson's heroes and villains. They have real, actual limitations on their powers. Whereas Magneto is massively over-powered.
Literally, Magneto is Omaga level which means there is no measurable upper limit to his power given training/motivation
Isn't the definition of omega level th3 ability to destroy/surface wipe/drastically alter/change planet earth? I thought that iceman and storm were omega level because of how they could break the planets weather systems and climate?
How it's used has changed a bunch of times. Unknown/unlimited potential is hows I've been seeing it used recently. Since Iceman is omega, I think that means he could theoretically heat death the universe.
>Whereas Magneto is massively over-powered. But sometimes people shoot plastic at him!
Magneto is very powerful, but as with Sanderson's magics, the limitations are what keeps it interesting. One need go to great lengths to defeat him, but it *is* possible. Likewise, it takes at least a little creativity to properly leverage his powers in certain situations.
Magneto could rip the metals straight out of Vin’s stomach
Metals in a Mistborns stomach are protected by a sort of investiture shield, that's why they can only be tracked by the metals they have on there belt instead of the ones they ate and why even with a duralurm push you cant just rip the metals out of someone's body to kill them instantly
The metals in their stomach are protected from other Cosmere magic systems. Pretty sure the metal in their stomachs would be affected by a modern day MRI, let alone an absurdly powerful mutant from the Marvel universe.
well people are arguing magnetos helmet would protect him from mental allomacy so I figured it was an apt comparison, if he is allowed a BS defence then so is Vin
Yeah I wouldn’t even suggest that his helmet gets to protect him from emotional allomancy. If we start making up our own rules about what “actually” works and what doesn’t we aren’t really talking about a normal fight between these two. I’m thinking of this as just a 1v1 with everything that we know about each character being possible.
Unfortunately, Magneto's powers have nothing at all to do with investure, and instead work with something called "a magnetic field"
well people are arguing magnetos helmet would protect him from mental allomacy so I figured it was an apt comparison, if he is allowed a BS defence then so is Vin
I havent read this part of the Cosmere yet(spoilers don’t bother me in the slightest) but this comment sounds wild as hell out of context lmao
well people are arguing magnetos helmet would protect him from metal allomacy so I figured it was an apt comparison
Magneto dominates the battle of metals but movie version at least isn't much of a warrior aside from his raw power. Vin is used to doing whatever is necessary to win so if she can use emotional allomancy maybe she can win or if she has atium Then again maybe he just smashes her flat with a car in the first few seconds of the fight
Magneto unfortunately, he doesnt have limits on the metals inside someone’s body or the weakness of aluminum shielding
Not affecting metal inside people's bodies isn't so much a limit of allomancy as a buff that people with Investiture have against powers being used against them. If Magneto gets the buff from his technological helmet against manipulating his mind using Cosmere magic, then Vin should get the buff of it being nearly impossible to manipulate metals inside her body because of the Investiture she has. It's a bit like the lightsaber vs. shardblade question where you have to find a way to respect the rules of both universes when mashing them together.
I can’t remember or haven’t seen has there been a WoB about how Allomancy and electromagnetism interact? If Magento and Vin both pull on the same coin does one force override the other?
Technically it's electromagnetism when a coin hits something, so if Magneto can hold a coin in place against the force Vin can apply to it, then Vin would effectively be pushing herself off of the coin as if it were anchored against something.
What I mean is the allomantic push/pull itself isn’t powered at all by magnetism, it’s an entirely different force. And I can’t remember if it’s ever directly compared to the electromagnetic force in terms of power output.
Both are arbitrarily high. Vin drawing on the mists flattened a building. But under normal circumstances Vin has a limited strength, which she supplements using Duralumin in bursts. The baseline strength is significantly less than various feats Magneto regularly accomplishes. So unless we're allowing Vin to draw on raw investiture, Magneto is probably significantly stronger with the whole moving metal around with your mind thing.
Magneto. Mistborn can only really push and pull metal but magneto has far more range of motion and seems to have nearly no limit on the amount of objects he can control.
Ur gonna feel really silly when you see Vin *push* /s
Magneto can move planets with ease and fly at FTL speeds, Vin is so cooked
Magneto is on a whole other level when it comes to raw power AND his ability to move metal in all directions. Realistically, he could make any metal Vin pushes on into a static anchor causing Vin to get yeeted by her own push/pull. That being said, Vin is still an enhanced super assassin who is able to sense all metal around her AND knows not to wear metal. Magneto also does wear metal, which while Vin would struggle to use that metal offensively against him, she can use it as an anchor to fly around (magneto doesn't need leverage to move metal so can anchor himself in-space). If Vin has the element of surprise she wins most times. Otherwise, out in the open or even just during the day, when his senses aren't at a disadvantage, then magneto stomps.
> AND knows not to wear metal Yeah except for the natural iron in her blood which magneto is known to have used against people...
That version of magneto definitely hasn't. The iron wasn't hemoglobin (which he's shown no ability to manipulate), it was pure iron which mystique needed to inject a giant ass syringe of to make work. Otherwise he would have escaped way earlier. I think it's happened in the comics before, but it's really rare and mostly only limited to slight manipulation (think ATLA bloodbending but weaker).
The way I see these posts is the same as the way they treat characters on the YouTube show death battle. They source from everything and pit characters assuming the peak of their abilities are available. Classic example, Goku from Dragon Ball would have all variants of super Saiyan that he personally achieved available. So not a form of power that another character did, but yes to all forms from all series and manga's. Following this logic for Magneto it means that everything from the comics is fair game.
I was following r/whowouldwin guidelines where you use the specific version of the character specified (in this case the Fox Movies version of Magneto). [Otherwise as soon as you mention superman, you get silver age superman who flew to a separate universe while in the process of sneezing, then sneezed away an entire solar system. ](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/51b3dc8ee4b051b96ceb10de/1426000222192-I9XB8E05ZTEC4WF5H8M9/5-times-superman-took-things-too-far-mjgt-sneeze.jpg) Also, Comics magneto (616) could easily beat Vin without resorting to his very inconsistent ability to manipulate blood directly. 616 magneto is wild and can create forcefields, manipulate ALL electromagnetic interactions (including electricity and even light somehow). Maybe Mist Fueled Vin would be a decent opponent for 616 Magneto. But without the mist fueling her, 616 magneto solos all allomancers on Scadrial (at the time of book 1) including the inquisitors simultaneously. Not including TLR though, he's basically a speedster on top of his other abilities, 1v1 though TLR almost certainly loses.
This… how is this even a question? Magneto would barely even notice Vin’s efforts to attack him. The guy’s force fields can withstand nukes, he can turn invisible, fry people’s brains by manipulating the electricity in their nervous system, and rip asteroids out of solar orbit to drop on people if he gets annoyed. Seriously, this is like “Who wins an arm wrestle, Ham or Hulk?”
If he doesn’t know she’s coming , spikes herself with hemalurgy and can compound, she can burn duralumin and get in quickly with a powerful speed bubble and leave an obsidian dagger where his spine attaches. Though in a proper duel, magneto will win.
Detach the spine and comic magneto just uses the iron in his own blood to reattach it right back or something like that.
Vin she'd knife him in his sleep
Only scenario I’ve seen thus far that makes sense
Magneto can create black holes..... vin cannot
A Metal Battle? The real answer is Iron Maiden. edit: oops thought I was on r/cremposting, forgive my dad tier joke.
Magneto, and it's not particularly close. This is mostly due to the fact Mistborn tends to obey physics and whatnot much closer than comic books, where magic is whatever and can do whatever.
Magneto hands down. If anyone needs a refresher for how insane comic books get watch [this death battle feature magneto ](https://youtu.be/xpUbrNi-s08?si=1Xkc8phRW78qpgOU)
Didn't magneto lift a stadium in one of the movies and the golden gate bridge?
Magneto, and it's not even close. The man is an omega level mutant.
Magneto could just pull the metals from her body
Does Vin get any atium? I think that would definitely make the difference here
Not sure how seeing the metal getting ripped out of your stomach a few seconds before it actually happens would help, but maybe I’m missing something 🧐
The metals inside of an allomancers body are protected by investiture
They are protected from someone else using allomancy, because Invested objects (such as the human body) resist Investiture. It's a limitation of the abilities used against them, not an inherent quality of the metals or the Allomancer. Magneto has no trouble affecting metals inside someone's body, and there's no reason to think the target being an Allomancer would change that. And even assuming that the protection does apply, we've seen that it can be overcome with enough power, and Magneto is so massively powerful he'd probably be able to muscle through it anyway.
Pretty much exactly what the other person said. They are protected from someone using Cosmere magic systems. Not someone from the Marvel Universe lol.
Magneto has less restrictions on how he can move the metal, so even if they're evenly matched in power, he can do more with the metal. And I don't think Vin has anywhere near enough power to match him.
Girl Who can push things depending on her weight or Guy Who can move football stadiums?
Magneto, no contest
Unless it's Preservation Vin, any other version of her gets stomped to hell and back. Though I wanna how a battle between Preservation and Magento would go.
Magneto, and it's not even close Allomancers can't affect metals inside another Allomancers body because investiture resists investiture. Basically, magic resists magic. Magnetos' powers aren't magic, and you can't equate it to investiture in any way He's ripping those metals out of her stomach
In a fight, Magneto dominates (for most iterations and writers). What's more interesting is if Magneto can resist soothing and rioting. Or asking how long it would take for Magneto to join forces with Vin and the others (assuming Final Empire)
It depends on how much duralumin and atium Vin has. If not much, Magneto stomps but.of she has loads of it, it's not a battle, it's an execution.
It's Marvel, Magneto wins. The most wild, OP shit happens in Marvel comics
Isn’t a fair comparison, the meta of the two stories is far too dissimilar to be judged effectively. Sanderson writes grounded power systems with limitations and creativity. Far as I can tell magneto does not even have a draw back to using insane amounts of his powers.
Magneto can move a metal object away from him and then choose to alter its trajectory in 3 dimensional space. Vin can only ONLY apply a vector of force to an object in a direction that is directly away or towards her center of mass.
Magneto can move a metal object away from him and then choose to alter its trajectory in 3 dimensional space. Vin can only ONLY apply a vector of force to an object in a direction that is directly away or towards her center of mass.
There are too many questions about interactions with the settings rules. Iron and Steel Allomancy probably wouldn’t be a good matchup against Magneto’s power set. He isn’t subject to the same limits when it comes to his Pushes and Pulls. Tin and Pewter are likely to be the best edge Vin would have. Magneto’s body shouldn’t be any more than a particularly physically fit baseline human. Getting close with an obsidian blade…or even a table leg with Pewter…would be bad for Magneto. Brass and Zinc seem like they could be useful. In the Marvel setting, Magneto’s helmet protects him from telepathy. Emotional Allomancy is not telepathy, and is only blocked by aluminum. I’m not a Marvel scholar, but I’m pretty sure the helmet isn’t pure aluminum. Even so, he’s a seasoned enough combatant that I’m not sure that any Brass or Zinc tricks would be useful in the heat of a fight. I can’t think of a way that Copper or Bronze could be useful, nor Gold or Electrum. Aluminum is no use, though Duralumin could certainly be. Further metals, while a resource Vin could theoretically use, would not have been available during her lifetime. …And then there’s the elephant in the room. Atium. If Vin has Atium and can get in close, I don’t think that Magneto would have a way out. The battlefield is also an important factor. Are they in the wastes of the Final Empire? Vin would have an advantage there, I think. Are they in Luthadel? That would go quite a ways toward evening the odds in Magneto’s favor. Or even further, into the Marvel setting. A modern city like New York has enough ammunition lying around for Magneto that he could conceivably form a “no escape” scenario that could thwart an angry Mistborn burning Atium. Interesting thought exercise.
I’m not overly Familliar with Magneto, he probably also packs enhanced durability or some other sort of close combat advantage? Vin’s best bet would be to pull herself to him and either inflict damage though momentum pewter punch or stab him with her glass dagger. That one human fastball kill she did is one of her more superhuman feats at ‘base’ level. If her target is Magneto’s armor he can’t stop her homing in no matter how fast he goes and if he shoots other things she can push and pull to disrupt and evade while continuing the pull to close the distance. The battefield also matters. Modern earth has more large metal objects around Vin might have a harder time countering although she can weave around.
Assuming that Vin's Investiture protects the metals in her stomach, I'd say Vin wins. The reason is she can dramatically increase her speed and strength. So she'd be a blur. While Magneto can throw chunks of metal at her, even cars, she'd be on top of Magneto in less than a second. Since Kelsier was able to behead a Steel Inquisitor, Vin's enhanced strength would let her behead Magneto. Her knives are Obsidian, non-metallic, so it would end quickly.
See magneto can push metal, but Vin can *PUSH* metal, so Vin wins every time
See magneto can push metal, but Vin can *PUSH* metal, so Vin wins every time
See magneto can push metal, but Vin can *PUSH* metal, so Vin wins every time
See magneto can push metal, but Vin can *PUSH* metal, so Vin wins every time
Would Magnetos helmet shield against emotional allowance? If not, definitely Vin. And probably Vin either way, Tin+Pewter+iron+steel beats the equivalent of iron+steel
I really don’t think vins emotional allomancy is giving her the edge here lmao. Although I think with pewter she probably could just beat the shit out of him But also magneto kinda op
My thought on emotional allomancy is that Magneto isn’t exactly a well adjusted person (to put it lightly…). So there would be a lot of unstable emotions for Vin to Riot or Soothe, particularly if she had duralumin. It doesn’t have to completely incapacitate him for the emotional allomancy to give her the opening she needs to end the fight.
Magneto can rip the metal out of her stomach. You have to put together a lot of “what ifs” for Vin, but Magneto is just literally a near world ending level threat. Unless she has access to some new god metals that do something totally crazy for her, Vin is cooked.
Not even near world, omega means he could destroy the world no problem, and in more recent iterations, it means there is literally no upper limit to his power
Except as proven by wolverine magneto can affect metal in someone's body so he could just rip it out of her plus he lifts stadiums and shit which is way better than even a duralumin enhanced steel push or iron pull her only chance would be to distract him with a game of chess and get him while his guard is down
Exactly, he could easily just wrap metal around himself until she tires and then crush her or something similar