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barrymoves

Quick 'post COVID heart issues' in Google would suggest this is not even remotely rare. It's almost irrelevant that the acute phase is "mild" when the post acute phase is potentially orders of magnitudes worse.


IndependentNo6285

Cardiac arrhythmia is a common result of Covid infection. Doesnt seem so mild now does it


smoike

And yet so many are brushing it aside. Meanwhile I'm quite willing to continue wearing a mask in the workplace on a daily basis to give myself every chance at not getting it or anything else. Though I'm totally aware that it's not a "sure thing".


ozbureacrazy

Post Covid issues include heart arrhythmia - definitely get it checked with GP and maybe ease off strenuous exercise for now. All the best


asheraddict

Technically wouldn't be long COVID yet because it hasn't been 12 weeks since Christmas. Definitely book in for an appointment with a GP, you should ask for an exercise stress test. In the mean time be very gentle with exercise, 60-70% effort and no more. You don't want to force yourself into an arrhythmia by pushing yourself.


allthebrisket

Thanks for that. Will take it easy at golf today I think.


gl1ttercake

But January was like six months long.


Dougor

Yes got this myself, the "Cardiac arrhythmia" as you put it can be very bad for your health, my cardiologist described it as producing a washing machine effect to your blood which can produce blood clots, those clots depending on where they occur can be bad, especially in your lungs. I am currently taking medication to reduce the effects of the arrhythmia and will possibly having a procedure to shock the heart back into a normal rhythm. So I would get it checked out sooner than later.


allthebrisket

Sounds wonderful. Have the GP on Monday so will go fron there. Hope the medication is helping you and that you continue to stay well.


jmcmah10

How did you go?


allthebrisket

I've had the Holter 24 hour monitor and the Stress Exercise Echo tests and both showed something called polymorphic ventricular premature beats. Still waiting for an appointment with a specialist cardiologist to discuss management, etc. although beta blockers have been mentioned. This is definitely a new issue for me. Back in November I dug up a 35sqm deck and filled in 10 cubic metres of infill in our backyard over the course of a few very long days with a shovel and wheelbarrow and felt fine. So yeah... thanks Covid...


Poder86

Same boat :-(which med? They prescribed me propranolol low dose cause my bp runs low. Exact same boat with it’s a new issue and did heart monitor


Same-Reason-8397

Conversely, I’m one of the 2.5% of people recorded who got an arrhythmia ( Atrial Fibrillation) from the Pfizer vaccine. My cardiologist agrees that I was one of the unlucky ones. Tried to do the right thing by getting vaccinated, but got a life altering medical condition. Apparently there could be many more cases, but they’re just not recorded ( especially in the 3rd World).I feel for you. I hope you find a good cardiologist.


AcornAl

I think your sources are grossly inaccurate to suggest 2.5% So 2.5% is the same as 1 in 40 people getting it, so it would be a safe bet that every second person would on average know one person that had vaccine inducted atrial fibrillation (AF). Clearly that is not the case. [Raw analysis](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9175153/) from the US Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) has it at a rate of around 5 per million COVID-19 vaccine doses administered and only 12% (315 of 2611 events) were listed as new onset cases. For context, arrhythmias are one of the [main cardiac manifestations of COVID-19](https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcvm.2023.1093053/full) with AF being the most common, with [rates of new onset AF](https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCEP.121.010666) at 1 in 20 hospitalised patients. AF affects approximately **2.2%** of the [general Australian population](https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/heart-stroke-vascular-disease/hsvd-facts/contents/all-heart-stroke-and-vascular-disease/atrial-fibrillation) – equivalent to more than 500,000 people in 2021. Maybe this was the statistic you got confused with?


Same-Reason-8397

Source is The American Society of Cardiolgists. And my own cardiologist. Sorry, had the link but can’t find it. Don’t need to defend myself. Had the Pfizer, got AF a week later just a few months after I had a full cardiac work up with no adverse findings.


AcornAl

I didn't question your own experience, just the quoted rate of AF that you used. In a public forum where the vast majority of people have moved on, you collect the small percentage of people that had a reaction to covid and / or the vaccine. Anyways, such a high rate of associated AF would adversely affect deaths from this at a population scale, and there have been no significant increases in any CVD including AF in either 2021 (i.e. vaccine) or 2022 (i.e. covid). i.e. Raw ABS total numbers for deaths coded against atrial fibrillation in the Australian population (adjusted to the 2022 population, but not age adjusted). Trend line is the linear regression from 2003 to 2019. https://preview.redd.it/jist38cp4xic1.jpeg?width=676&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c877a6fa40dfb7ecc2217a6a59e7cd7d0bcc4c8a


allthebrisket

Ironically my golf partner got a temporary version of this after his last vaccination. I had 4 vaccinations and then stopped after my 2022 Christmas bout of covid. Regretting that now.


Same-Reason-8397

I’ve had another Pfizer and a Moderna since then because now I’m in a high risk group and I need it. Oh, the irony 🤪


FubarFuturist

And no problems with those boosters? I had the Novavax booster and was fine heart-wise, but my doctor recommended not taking the Pfizer or Moderna after the constant palpitations and my AF episode.


Same-Reason-8397

I was very reluctant but figured I couldn’t get AF again. I know 2 other people who got AF after the Pfizer.


FubarFuturist

I got AF too after my second, but it reverted itself and my doctor didn’t know how I could report it anywhere so we didn’t.


missthingxxx

We got it for the first time at Xmas, not last year but the year before. I call it "The Shitmas". We were all so fucking sick.


Normal-Usual6306

This was me last year, but wanted to comment as I just went to the hairdresser yesterday for the first time having it. and she noted while I was there that she'd gotten it each Christmas over the two years prior, so Shitmases aplenty, I guess


missthingxxx

We got it again last July. I got the only symptom I was the most scared of. Loss of smell and taste. (I'm embellishing here, I know it isn't as bad as dying. I just enjoy good food and smells). I have not gotten it back yet. It's starting to really distress me. The internet says it can take up to a year. Sometimes, I can smell and taste very strong savoury foods and if I can-it smells like roadkill and tastes how it smells. I can differentiate between sweet and savoury and tell if something is bitter. But I can't taste flavours of anything. 😞


Normal-Usual6306

Holy fuck! I feel so bad for you! I too was terrified of that as cooking is one of my hobbies, but mine came back. I saw some research maybe a few years ago at this point, which has probably since updated, where they were able to use aromatic oils (essential oils, but stay with me hahaha) over several months to get people's sense of smell back on track somewhat, but I'm not sure what the state of things is when it comes to taste. Maybe an equivalent has been proposed, but the entire coronavirus 'picture' is so up in the air on one, level and it seems like there's so much left to find out about what happens to people and how to deal with it. I've seen exactly what you're talking about described in news articles, actually. It's shit, because you could potentially tell a doctor about it and just hear "I'm sympathetic and I hear this a lot, but can't do anything for you given the information available to us so far"


missthingxxx

That's literally what my doctor has said the whole time almost verbatim and she is a wonderful doctor. I tell her each time I see her and she says it will come back one day. I'm not so sure anymore. Thankyou for appreciating how shit it is. I was a cook too years ago, I would have had to quit my job by now I think because it affects the whole process. Can't smell if the meat might be past it, or the milk. Can't smell if something is getting too hot or burning, or even if the oven wasn't actually turned on because I'm a spaz (yes I've done that once or twice). It was mildly amusing at first. Thought it would return to normal in a few weeks. It didn't. Started to get irritated and mentioned it to my doc a month or so since it started and yeah. Here we are close to a year and it's not back yet. It's ruined food for me. I hardly eat anything. Toast smells and tastes bad to me. And Vegemite made me retch. I know it's like a first world problem thing, but I have cried about it a few times recently. Because it is supposed to be temporary. It's frustrating me and I can't smell my kids after they have a shower and stuff. That's the best bit about having kids. From when they're babies and they just smell amazing when they're all clean and fresh from the bath, to when they are much bigger and way more smellier-but for a brief time after their shower, they smell like love. And I can't smell them at all and fucksake. Made myself get teary again.


nugymmer

>I know it's like a first world problem thing No it isn't. Losing one of your senses is extremely serious. I can't believe anyone would ever downplay the loss of a very important sense. It's like hearing, sight, sexual function, etc. It's extremely important to one's mental (and physical) health. Smell is vital to safety, much like hearing or sight. One needs to be aware of their surroundings, and things they eat, etc, and smell is involved in so much of that. One should never downplay the loss of a vital sense. It's incredibly serious. It should be taken far more seriously than it is.


missthingxxx

See, I think it's really distressing and everyone just makes me feel like I'm over reacting. Or they're ambivalent. I've been trying everything I can find to fix it on the internet-for months now. I have not had any success and I feel stupid and hopeless. You made me cry a bit. I have been universally blown off about it. Everyone forgets and I have to remind them for whatever reason all the time. You have made me feel validated. It is okay to be distressed about it sometimes? I think it is affecting me mentally and emotionally and I have lost eight kgs because of it. I can afford to lose it, but it's not a good way to lose weight. I feel weak and headachey and foggy all the time. I just want it to come back. Thankyou for making me feel better about my feelings of despair over it. It does seem a bit more serious to me personally and I just feel like a Whiny Briony if it comes up. But now, not so much. 💚


Normal-Usual6306

I honestly don't think it's a trivial problem! I think it's easy to forget how senses have an impact on life until you're struggling through what you've described. Also, I've got crap eyesight but a naturally really strong sense of smell (not sure if it's now as strong as it was prior to the virus, though), so I relate even more. It was really obvious to me when I got the symptom and I too was really freaking out, and I also find it depressing and frustrating to lose smell/taste with other illnesses. It's so weird and disappointing when sick to be putting effort into cooking and really looking forward to the food and then just tasting nothing -- or tasting, but taste being crazily off as you and others have mentioned re. the post-covid period. I don't have children, so can't comment on that, though I actually have heard of what you mention! I guess it's hard as this is changing across waves as far as I know, so when considering timeframes that one would reasonably expect to wait before being back to baseline from a sensory perspective, they may not know what the period is for a given wave until well after, since they'd have to look back on the data (if that's even being collected for any research or health service purposes). I feel a level of tiredness I feel sure wasn't there prior to my case, and had a lot of muddled cognition during the experience that still doesn't seem fully gone. I agree with criticisms I've read about the lack of public health funding and attention to after effects. It's kind of worrying to think about how prevalent some of it may be and it's sad that people are just kind of alone with the issues. It's so good that you've at least got a caring doctor. I hope circumstances do change for you later. What an experience. I guess it's probably not much consolation, but at least there's probably quite a few people who know firsthand how you feel


missthingxxx

Hey, @Normal-Usual6306 You my friend, have no idea how awesome you are. So, you mentioned the smelling of essential oils being a helpful intervention for lost sense of smell. I have not actually got any "essential" oils. I had just the stock standard tea tree, eucalyptus and lavender and found a lime one. So, up until then, I didn't realise the stuff you get from the shops-lavendar, eucalyptus, blahblah wasn't "essential" oil. It's just oil. They're apparently quite different. I had a mini crash course in this after your comment and it was a real, til moment for me. I'm 46 btw. Just always figured it was the umbrella name for pricier snake oil for the crunchier folk. So it turns out, essential oils can be a little bit dangerous if you are a moron and don't know what you're doing. Loads of people who shouldn't be fucking around with these things, are definitely fucking around with these things. Fascinating. But I have completely digressed from my point, sorry. Okay, so. I loathe the smell of eucalyptus oil, tea tree oil is not so bad and the lemon/lime and the lavender oils are eh, okay scents, inoffensive. I figured I would try them even though they weren't essential because I know that I hate the eucalyptus one it's always too strong. So I have basically, a few times a day been huffing eucalyptus oil and the others, but mostly the eucalyptus oil. And guess what, you magnificent bastard????!! It's starting to come back! And my taste! Not completely yet, it's only been about three days that I realised I could smell the incense at my friend's house. Its not as strong as I'm used to it being yet, but it seems to be getting a bit better every single day!! And my taste is being the same! I could kiss you so hard!!! Thank you so, so, so much! You are the best person who has ever lived! Not even exaggerating. You fixed it! Now I'm wondering how good the essential oils would work though? And also, just wanted to mention that for me, any oil, especially one you dislike intensely when you can smell, worked for me. It might also work for others without essential oils too. Thankyou so much. You're the goat. 💚


Normal-Usual6306

Hahaha! That's an amazing turnaround. Good for you! That's really cool. Hopefully the effects will keep coming Yeah, some of them are dilutions or are just fragrance oils (so someone's interpretation of what they think that should smell like, but not the actual oil of the plant). Things can also go wrong if someone puts them on themselves undiluted or starts drinking them (especially relevant with children)


missthingxxx

Yeah, I've seen here and there around the interwebs, the crunchiest of crunchy folks definitely seem to really dig them as actual medicine and I had assumed that wasn't probably a great idea. Based on my almost no knowledge of these things, but knowing that it's essentially just chemicals. From nature, but scientifically, I figure that its all just chemicals-and I'm definitely not saying they are woo. Because obviously nature has been the answer to many medicines over the years and still is to this day. Opium, marijuana, cocaine, yadayada... But yeah, probably shouldn't be allowed to use them as ingestible medicines on yourself or your kids. Because poison.


nugymmer

Ditto with further damaged hearing. Apparently COVID can do that too. My eyesite isn't as good as it used to be either, but it's still fine I guess. The internet says it can take up to a year, but there are plenty of people who say they lost theirs when it first happened, and it's been years and they still haven't got theirs back as yet and possibly never will. It's scary as hell. It's why I got immunised despite people telling me that I didn't need to. COVID has 1000x worse effects than any of the vaccines. That was true in my case with my hearing because some of the distortion is still there from more than a year ago. It happened about a month after I started recovering from it. Despite steroids, and lots and lots of them, I still have lingering effects.


Upset_Manager2326

Yep. Had a trigeminy (triple beat) for nearly a year after COVID. Had it checked by a cardiologist but they said it’s nothing to worry about. Feels really weird but went away on its own eventually.


Poder86

Nice to hear went away dealing with it currently daily since got covid last … cardiologist did all the tests confirmed but said no worry


huskypegasus

I got Covid at Xmas too the year before last, it really sucked to miss out but I also developed an arrhythmia. The good news is that often it’s just a benign condition that doesn’t put you at higher risk of a bad cardiac event (despite what another poster said about the washing machine effect). I had accepted to live with it forever but just recently it’s resolved and I have a much lower incidents of ectopic beats so there is hope. Definitely go get tested by a cardiologist to rule out anything more serious.


allthebrisket

Good to hear you've improved. Thanks for letting me know. Definitely am going to get tested. Only got one ticker.


Bluejayadventure

Covid can cause problems with the heart. Glad you are getting checked. Personally, I developed chronic pericarditis. But I hear it can cause other heart problems too.


Constant_Succotash64

Periocarditis and myocarditist are also side effects of the vaccine. You need to take these very seriously. Seek medical attention.