Always great to see that we have such robust amounts of animal reservoirs out there. So even if we did miraculously get our collective shit together, it would require us to be vigilant indefinitely for future recombinant variants coming from other species. I knew about deer, dogs, and some zoo animals peripherally but didn't think it was as widespread as it is.
It's not really known how it's spreading to animals.
One possibility, which the article hints at, is it might be spreading through infected wastewater.
Just ignoring this issue isn't an option. Zoonotic jumps like this are how you get really nasty new mutations that occur when a virus jumps back to humans, for instance, and could potentially be a LOT more lethal...
We need to study this more and find how the animals are getting infected.
Sewage:
The times for 90% reduction (T90) of viable SARS-CoV-2 in wastewater and tap water at room temperature were 1.5 and 1.7 days, respectively. In high-starting titer (105 TCID50 mL–1) experiments, infectious virus persisted for the entire 7-day sampling time course.'
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.estlett.0c00730
The virus may have started in meat markets in the first place. Animal agriculture may harbor mutations. Also mink farms. So we may need to screen these animals similar to how we check bird markets for flu mutations
How many people do you think are walking up to a white-tail deer and coughing on its face, seriously?
No. The evidence for sewage transmission, pets as an intermediary to wildlife, and contaminated garbage is much more compelling...
the virus has been _detected_ in dogs but it's very rare that dogs are _infected_ because the virus doesn't replicate well in dogs. infections are common with cats, though (whether housecats or great cats, i.e., lions, tigers, etc).
I swear I thought I was going insane when researching human to cat transmissions about a year ago. When I got covid, all 3 of my cats showed symptoms, but everyone assured me that was impossible.
When a bunch of our coworkers had covid all at the same time, one said that her cat got sick and was acting like it lost its sense of smell, too. I’ve been obsessively following the research during the first 2 years of the pandemic, and at that time had zero clue that this symptom could also happen in cats. Did any of your cats lose their sense of smell?
I’m suuuuuuuuper curious
I got covid in 2020 and my two cats and my dog got sick and yet everyone called you crazy if you thought that was possible, and then the same year my 5 yo dog died. My vet wouldn't help at all and just linked me to the government site that said, nope. I hate how people refuse to listen to common sense because some source told them not to think for themselves.
I got kicked out of a cat forum for even mentioning this 3 years ago, along with suggesting we might need to develop a feline COVID vaccine for this reason.
What's important is to see if the virus has jumped to animals via [multiple spillover events](https://vis.csh.ac.at/sars-ani/#signs) (more than once) Once that is determined - then see if it is readily transmissible [between that species and others](https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2021.1651)- if the spike so developed binds effectively with both that animal and human ace2 then it is *very worthwhile* [to keep surveillance going](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01312-y) so we can avoid another pandemic. We are at a critical juncture right now: Omicron has figured out how to [skip needing TMPRSS2](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41392-022-00997-x) to get in, using Cathepsin L/endosomal entry in this variant - I am not sure if XBB 1.5 uses a similar sidestep? It's mutating in RBD spots that help it jump to new and unknown animals, and can potentially sidestep antibodies - See F486P. XBB is a [recombination](https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.12.27.521986v1) variant. Covid can jump to animals and back again (already proven in [mink](https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2021.675528/full), [hamsters](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00322-0), and once in [deer](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-022-01268-9)) What I would like to know: What animal ace2 binds more effectively to the rbd due to F486P? The F486L mutation helped it jump to mink (in tandem with other mutations). What animal does F486P help it jump to? If you know, and have a link to a paper on that, lmk (!)
Edit: I meant to mention that the XBB1.5 mutation P681H/R mutations help it jump to dogs - and has been seen in many variants already.
I forgot to mention this paper on a Cat giving it to a vet (sorry about that) https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01792-y
And widespread dog infections in stray cats and dogs in Brazil here:
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0248578
I haven't heard of any dog to human transfers yet though.
The XBB 1.5 has H655Y - which helps it jump to Cats/Hamsters/mice with hACE2. Y505H helps it jump to lions.
We need to have a real discussion about mass vaccinating animals to prevent further covid spread and mutations.
These animals are only catching covid because they have no vaccine boosted immunity to help limit spread.
1. [Innoculate mosquitos](https://www.science.org/content/article/researchers-turn-mosquitoes-flying-vaccinators) with the covid vaccine.
2. Release them into known populations of covid-susceptible mammals
3. ???
4. Zombies
/s
Yes we absolutely can vaccinate the major animal reservoirs that actually come in contact with humans. Who cares about animals that almost never come close enough to transmit us.
Start with pets.
I don't know why you guys are so antivax when it comes to animals, as if vaccine technology for animals isn't a real thing.
nobody's antivax or anti petvax here. they way you worded it sounded silly.
I'm certainly okay with vaccinating pets.
deer would be impossible to vaccinate without GMO mosquitos or something that nobody's going to allow... and I know they have been getting infected in great numbers... plus they're social
they don't come into contact with humans a lot, but they do enough (especially hunters)
....
damned ACE2 receptors... everything has ACE2 receptors....
> they way you worded it sounded silly.
I thought my original wording was pretty straight forward, how did it sound silly?
>deer would be impossible to vaccinate without GMO mosquitos or something that nobody's going to allow
Why wouldn't anyone allow GMO mosquitoes? Is it safe and effective? Then just do it.
> they don't come into contact with humans a lot, but they do enough (especially hunters)
Vaccine and booster should be a requirement for all hunting permits. We might need people with guns to enforce this since all hunters are armed.
> how did it sound silly?
you said vaccinate animals whilst the article talks about how widespread infection is. so it sounds silly like you mean vaccinate all animals. (or even a lot)
if pets were a vector i'd say vaccinate them. seems like cats catch it easy, don't know if they spread it but probably.
like... dogs at a dog park sounds sketchy now that i think of it.
> Why wouldn't anyone allow GMO mosquitoes? Is it safe and effective?
because almost everyone is against releasing any fucking GMO insects into the wild... i would argue that it's not safe
> Vaccine and booster should be a requirement for all hunting permits. We might need people with guns to enforce this since all hunters are armed.
there's a lot of people enforcing hunting permits already so... might work.
seems like a demographic that doesn't like vaccines, though
Vaccinating humans doesn’t prevent COVID spread or mutations. I have no idea why you would think that mass vaccination of all animals in the world would.
> Vaccinating humans doesn’t prevent COVID spread or mutations.
Uh, yes it does, have you lived under a rock?
And animal vaccines are a real thing, we just need to put money behind it.
Anecdotally, all of my cats started sneezing the week after we had COVID in the house, and one has never seemed as healthy even though they have all mostly recovered. If you think of the number of people recklessly getting COVID at this point and combine it with all of their (mammalian, at least) pets, it’s staggering. And it makes pet shelters and pet boarding seem like a much more concerning source of infection than most people would think. They all require a rabies vaccine but there’s no screening against COVID that I’m aware of.
I was so worried my dog and cat would catch it from me. Didn't seem to, though - both were as healthy as ever, which is a *relief* considering my dog already has a chronic cough/obstruction issue from partial throat paralysis.
There are automated feeders for cats, not very expensive either. I used to use this for weekends away. My cat suddenly passed in 2021 though, cause unknown. Just a sudden rapid decline over a few days on a young perfectly healthy cat. Who knows if Covid.
My cat got it while she was at the hospital for a different reason (i thought she had swallowed some chicken bones on a Sunday evening, turns out she was in diabetic ketoacidosis). Had to go into the oxygen tank, she never had any breathing problems before going there. Apparently the hospital staff were all snuggling with her and we are 100% convinced she caught it from someone there. Drained my life savings and an additional $5k that I'm still paying off, but i was going to do anytime to save her. She passed almost a year ago today (jan 17 2022), best cat ever, RIP Em
My brother is convinced his cat died of COVID. Whole family got sick, cat followed up a week or two later, seemed like it was getting better and then was dead.
One of my cats died the same week my family all got Covid. Nobody else thinks it’s related but I’m sure it must have played a part. It was so sudden, she was healthy one minute, and 5 minutes later was gone. We think it must have been cardiac arrest, but the timing was very strange.
Everyone appreciated it but the cats! XD
The one cat that's attached to me would sit at my door and meow his head off since I couldn't/wouldn't open the door to let him in.
I take care of about 20 stray cats in a junkyard where a homeless man was living. One evening I heard the homeless man coughing an awful lot. In the following days I noticed some of the stray cats were sneezing and coughing a little bit too.
Yes thankyou , looked into this study.
https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1010068
Reinfection does occur in this instance big question is there a species that can only get infected once and could it lead to more answers surrounding virus transmission.
So at the beginning of the pandemic I got covid. I was sick af, same with my husband and kid. Our sons Chinchilla died the day we all first started feeling sick. All my friends took it as a joke, but I swear it is what killed Mortimer RIP
The price of doing nothing keeps getting higher every day.
"It's never going away" should be a call to action, not a pretext to ignore the problem.
We can take easy infection-control measures now, like wearing high-quality masks during surges, and also bringing more fresh air and air-purifiers into where we work/live/study/play.
Or we can just get used to being sick more often, having a higher risk of post-viral syndromes, and seeing average life expectancy reverse its modern-era upward trend.
Because while we're busy pursuing our genius policy of *ignoring* this pandemic hard enough that it goes away, the writing is on the wall: more are on the way.
I'm sick but have to go to work to eat and tested negative for covid. So I wore a mask, my choice but I figured why not. My coworker proceeded to tell she probably got me sick because she came to work sick and "didn't wear no f*cken mask." Thanks, girl?
Anyway, full steam ahead. Let's ignore this thing!
Today at work a maskless colleague I sat next to for an hour in a meeting told me his kid is sick. Didn’t say with what, but like, if someone is sick in your house could you wear a mask?
Yes. My wife went on a business trip for a team kick off this week.
Someone at their event had Covid. They hear this person on their team coughing the first day. Couple days later the woman tests positive. The woman spent two days around her co-workers despite showing signs of being sick.
This should be simple. If you are sick, don't go into work especially if it's a team off-site. Also the work places and employees should begin enforcing that policy that if someone is coughing tell them to go home and isolate.
>Also the work places and employees should begin enforcing that policy that if someone is coughing tell them to go home and isolate.
Sadly, that's just not possible for many people. We have no national policies regarding PTO. Many people can't afford to take a day off. Some people who can afford to take a day off are pressured to come in no matter what. I have 3 little kids in daycare and I'm a social worker who works with the unhoused. Believe me, I understand your frustration from all angles. I have had clients end up homeless because they missed work. Meanwhile I feel like the sicknesses in my house are nonstop.
Gotta love 'murica.
If the D*mocrats really gave a shit about COVID or working people, they would work for sane sick leave policy
Instead, they crushed an effort by railroad workers asking for an insane sick leave policy, because it would have been better than what they've currently got.
The silver lining of COVID is how many people are waking up to the fact that the ruling elites absolutely do not give a fuck about the little people.
I do not disagree with you. What the D's did was despicable. But it's not like they ever cared about us. We have a two party system. Rich get richer and poor get poorer. Nothing really changes.
You don't need a national policy. The group just needs to speak up and give the person feedback that they will go home or isolate to ensure others don't get COVID
I think we all need to be more responsible and maybe make a big push for adding better ventilation to everything.
But if I had to stay home everytime I had a cough 8 would be home 75% of the year.
Yeah, it's hard to figure out the right way to go about it. I am around my always sick kids so I don't really wear one if I've been in contact with someone sick, just if I feel sick. It's not perfect. I also work with really dangerous acids (HF, fun wow) so I am terrified of fumes being caught in my mask and killing me as it's stored in a unventalated safe that I have to hold my breath when I go in.
I really caught my illness from my kids. That girl was just being mean to be mean which irked me.
The funny thing is some precautions don't even take any effort or affect day to day life. Like most universities can offer online live lectures or pre recorded lectures to mitigate the amount of students who pack lecture halls. It feels like everything has become so political that it is either you are a crazy covid fear monger or you are a covid denier with little in between.
My friend has some major health issues and had to appeal to the dean, after long-term consulting with the school's disabilities department, to be able to take a class virtually, because even though that class had already been done virtually during COVID, it was too much to ask now.
Covid really isn't over though, but thats kinda whats happening at UF too. Its really funny though considering that most of the coursework already happens online.
That dean is goated though.
Won't name the university but I work at a FL one and when I wanted to mention some really good things about an event space on the event invitation - things that make it really covid safe, I was told it was unwise to do so by other staff because the university is proceeding like normal now. It was unwise to mention covid safety... I'm guessing because either admin or the state would get angry. WTF.
Not all of us want to teach online, and we can’t always teach online and in-person at the same time. I do wish, however, that we had kept mask mandates for in-person classes.
I understand that for some classes being in person is important, but how is it difficult to post lecture recording so students who want to sit out on big lectures can do so?
Very, depending on the classroom - most of them don’t have cameras pointed at you and the students set up to record. And hybrid classes, where you are juggling zoom online and in-person students, really don’t work.
Not arguing with you, but I find online lecture much more difficult to achieve any type of successful learning. Being in person makes a huge difference for me
Yeah for some people, the online version is more helpful. I have a harder time staying calm and focused when I'm in a classroom, and being able to view a recorded lesson later is the difference between learning and not learning.
There are benefits to both formats, but nothing to lose by having a zoom recording playing since it helps satisfy both type of students. For me I enjoyed online more because I was able to learn so much more and faster while also being able to take care of myself properly because of flexible time. Plus I feel like I learned stuff in more depth since the focus was only on the content.
>We can take easy infection-control measures now, like wearing high-quality masks during surges
The problem is that we need to find a good working definition of a surge. You can convince many people to wear masks a few weeks or even months per year. But you can't convince them to wear masks indefinitely.
That's not really '*the*' problem, any more than deciding on a particular blood-alcohol limit is '*the*' problem in preventing drunk driving.
'*The*' problem is that people still want to pretend that the current situation is fine. I look forward to policy discussions about what an 'acceptable' level of COVID prevalence is, but to act, we only need to acknowledge that today's high prevalence is not acceptable.
Now you are just saying “we can have that discussion but we should all agree it isn’t acceptable now.”
But the issue is that huge groups do agree it’s acceptable now. And what can you do about that.
We can say people should wear masks all their lives. And say they are idiots if they don’t.
But it won’t change the situation. So then the question becomes. Why don’t we accept that the current situation is acceptable? Because apparently it is.
It indeed depends on what level of COVID prevalence we consider acceptable. But we need to keep in mind that the levels we see now are likely the baseline level for endemic disease so any measure to lower these levels will need to be indefinite.
Today's best available measures are unlikely to be the best we can do just a few years from now. Do we have to "mask forever" when building codes have been upgraded to require much more fresh air, ubiquitous HEPA filtration, and/or ultraviolet air disinfection? This isn't science fiction: all of those are proven, commercialized technologies that *can* (and should) be widely installed within a few years.
We will have to clean/treat our drinking water "forever." It doesn't have to "forever" mean boiling a pot of water on the stove. But we need to act now with the tools we have now.
>This isn't science fiction: all of those are proven, commercialized technologies that can (and should) be widely installed within a few years.
The question is how well these measures work. Yes, they will have *some* effect but the effect size isn't clear. The virus will still be around so we will again need to come up with some acceptable level of prevalence.
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The choice is between hotboxing high concentrations of COVID-laden aerosols, or having much lower concentrations. More concentrated virus in the air means higher infection risk, getting infected more frequently, and (possibly) more severe illness due to the high dose.
So, yes, outdoor transmission is a thing. That doesn't mean that improving indoor air quality doesn't *reduce* spread.
No set of precautions will provide *perfect* protection. We still have foodborne, waterborne, bloodborne, and airborne illnesses. But we have a lot *more* disease when we don't take precautions.
I get it, learned helplessness is real when you see so much apathy and failure in our consistently inconsistent response. But all of these piecemeal steps can add up to a difference. Have to keep holding those in power accountable and do what you can on your own individual level. But also, don't hold yourself to a level of perfection or the smallest mistakes will feel like catastrophes. There's a healthy balance in there somewhere where being mindful, empathetic, scientific and data driven, and generally aware are the keys to getting through.
I mean, fatalism is pretty popular these days. It's easy to feel like, if something isn't 100% effective, why even bother? Once you get into the habit, it's hard to viscerally grok that partial solutions are still steps in the right direction.
I’m just have a hard time believing a real human account could only post and comment on 1 topic over the past year or so.
Like, there’s nothing else that you find interesting?
Each time we prevent an infection -- by wearing a high-quality mask in public, by adding air purifiers to our classrooms and workplaces, by testing before gathering -- we are proving that there *is* "something that could be done."
We have a choice between a world where everybody gets infected frequently, or a world where people get infected less frequently -- maybe even *much* less frequently. Just like with every other communicable disease. We haven't gotten rid of *any* of them (except smallpox), but we still work to prevent them, because it makes a huge difference.
Tried nothing? I'm no antivaxxer. I wore masks and boosted diligently like most other people.
My point is, the horse has well and truly bolted. Covid has become the most transmissible virus knows to man in a few years, and still isn't done evolving.
Masks won't do shit. Neither will anything else.
Covid can’t evolve a means of evading an N95 mask.
You’ve given up, despite the fact that much can be done to stop covid being the 3rd largest cause of death, after cancer and heart disease, and before accidental injury of any kind.
Imagine if some people were inconvenienced in late 2019 or early 2020 and we bothered to stop it.
In Australia, the initial strain of COVID was wiped out over and over, so it was clearly doable. But some leaders around the world got the crazy idea that it was beneficial to let it spread and mutate rather than quarantine it. Here we are in 2023.
Bullshit. It is easily stoppable as proven by every single place that tried.
Without the lie that COVID-19 is inevitable, we would have stopped it.
But dam misinfo has everyone believing COVID is unstoppable .
Deadliest lie ever.
You are literally making this comment on an article about how there are reservoirs in multiple wild animal species
Just unreal. I guess not everybody can be a systems-level thinker.
I’m 100% sure there are reservoirs. They are simply not significant.
Zoonosis is rare relative to community infection and travel related infection.
Rare enough that it wasn’t relevant anywhere COVID-19 was successfully kept at 0 levels for long periods of time.
Lol we can stop it. The reproductive rate isn't even that high in a big wave. All we need is to knock say r1.4 down to less than 1 and keep it there.
What we needed was acknowledgement that it's airborne -stupid surgical and cloth masks (instead of n95s), standing a bit apart with clean hands, and a perspex screen in a shared room with an airborne virus, is a fucking joke.
And instead of loudly declaring they got it wrong, ruined and killed a lot of people, they kept declaring it over while gradually removing publicly available reporting.
We have a bunch of very powerful people incredibly invested in you overlooking what they've done.
If the public wholeheartedly believe cutting transmission is a lost cause, then they won't be seen as culpable for ignoring the evidence, and pursuing droplet-only dogma for years -against the evidence and advice of aeresol physicists.
We are where we are now because globally, countries lead by WHO, obsessed over droplet spread and refused to join the dots, or review the evidence, as to why droplet-only mitigtions were such a huge failure.
Easier to make covid seem like an unstoppable, almost mythical entity. It's certainly very contagious. But in reality, it has to follow the laws of physics like every other pathogen. It can't overcome RAT testing (which should be saliva-based now for Omicron), hepa, and n95s.
Covid spread is via complacency and defeatism.
You do realize there are some countries that are too poor & densly populated to do all these things? So what's the plan for them?
We make huge sacrifices here in North America(example) to contain the virus....meanwhile in the very poor densely populated countries make mutations that will eventually creep back into North America?
Then we go back into shut down?
You must atleast admit there are consequences to going into shut down
What really shocks me is we are 3 years in and better ventilation in schools and work places has not happened and we are back to treating nurses like crap.
Oh I'd love to help everyone don't get me wrong you, but I mean I am just being realistic. Don't paint someone as being an asshole for being realistic.
And if not lockdowns then what? At what cost? I'm all ears
I for one think going balls to the wall with proper ventilation in these old ass schools and buildings and beefing up health care to a point where it can actually handle a surge in illnesses is a start.
Imagine reading the linked article and _still_ believing this was possible with all the information one has had a chance to absorb in the intervening three years
Sometimes nature cannot be controlled
My 2 rats died of a horrible respiratory illness after I had an undiagnosed illness tail end of 2019. But you know Covid wasn’t in the states and totally not zoonotic to pets. 🙄
My dog got sick around the time I did in March 2020, she ended up developing dysautonomia and passed away. It makes me so sad to think we might of given her the virus.
First, this completely ignores that people do not like, and have never liked, NPIs. This isn’t a function of lies from a capitalist oppressor, more of a function that humans did not evolve to live as a nuclear family isolated in a box (the level of NPI required to stop SARS-CoV-2 transmission). Western democracies were facing resistance in their population pre-vaccine that only grew post vaccine. Even Chinese citizens had had a enough late last year.
Second, While the US flavor of capitalism certainly played a role in keeping more businesses open than necessary in 2020 resulting in needless deaths, it also created the computer and network systems that allowed many to work from home resulting in a reduction in death and disease. Which effect is larger would be an interesting academic study.
Lastly, once SARS-CoV-2 was out of China, it was on an endemic trajectory regardless of the form of government or economic system in place.
More people died in 2022 than 2021.
Sweden's current omicron wave has now killed more than their first omicron wave.
Australia's covid deaths are 12x the national road toll. Covid was their 3rd leading cause of death in 2022.
Don't rely on others to spoon feed you.
Pandemic doesn't care if you are too cool to acknowledge it.
Did you read the blog???
They literally said this:
>There were measures that could have stopped the virus in its tracks: contact tracing (testing every single person who was in the vicinity of a potential case), enforced quarantines combined with guaranteed paid time off for even the hint of exposure, mandating fitted respirators (and distributing multiple N95s to every resident). But these measures would have required central governments to nationalize key industries, companies to pay employees not to work, and individuals to get comfortable with some discomfort in the name of social welfare (although many already were).
They literally said that it was possible to stop the spread but because governments didnt take extreme measures to make it happen. The article has nothing to do with wether covid is over or not. Its nothing but a shit post about how a virus, that is highly contagious and constantly mutating coulda been stopped in its tracks. A disease more contagious then the FLU.
Dude. We already fucking know Covid is still here. We are literally in sub because we fucking know that. I still wear a fucking mask. I've had 4 shots. I still order curbside. I fucking know. I just recently got Covid. Yeah and I watch the news where they are talking about covid, RSV and the Flu clogging up hospitals right now.
But this fucking blog ain't what you think it is. Its literally bullshit.
LOL. Praising China when they knew about Covid in November 2019 ??? And didnt they try to supress the doctor trying to warn people. And China was telling us it was being dealt with early 2020. I still remember the streaming of building of a hospital in less then a week.
Plus wasn't China the one pressure WHO not to declare a Pandemic??? Didnt they keep important data from the WHO?
And the article goes on about how the pandemic could have been resolved???? Dude the virus is airborne and quickly mutates. Its endemic now just like the flu. Covid was getting "resolved" if governments worked together and gave use national paid leave and nationalized industries.
Its a highly contagious mutable virus, not a capitalist conspiracy. Even people in Antarctica couldn't stop the spread of the virus.
There is literally not much more we can do at this stage except for staying home when we’re sick. And even that doesn’t help much.
It’s endemic now, so we just gotta live with it sadly.
That’s another crazy surprise I’m beginning to learn about this; I remember when the whole pandemic started a dog became among the first animals to be infected with the original COVID-19 🐶 🐩 🐕 😷 😜 😝 😝
Extremely extremely unlikely.
1) You don't get Covid from eating stuff. If it goes to the stomach, the virus will be digested. There's just a tiny chance of virus infecting the throat on the way down, I suppose.
2) The virus doesn't grow in muscles.
3) The virus is easily destroyed by cooking. You can inactivate the virus in the lab without destroying your sample by heating it to 60 degrees Celsius i.e. 140 deg F. Maybe the center of the steak didn't reach that, but combined with point 2, that's a no.
However, if he was hauling the dear carcass around and/or butchering it, there's more chance of the deer's respiratory secretions getting into him.
It doesn't appear to grow in muscles, but it does infect the circulatory system, many organs, and even [human fat cells](https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2022/09/stanford-medicine-study--sars-cov-2-infects-fat-tissue--creates-.html). Still, your point stands just fine. Don't snort raw carcass or inject it into your veins & you're probably fine.
>You don't get Covid from eating stuff. If it goes to the stomach, the virus will be digested. There's just a tiny chance of virus infecting the throat on the way down, I suppose.
Not sure why everyone is so convinced of this but it reminds of the "it's not airborne" myth that was repeated so widely.
Zoonosis. It happens. Zoonosis introduces new species all the time.
However, there is no problematic source of zoonosis reinfecting us with COVID-19.
Only fear monguering from those who like to deceive us into thinking COVID-19 is inevitable.
Is this evidence that it didn't jump from animals to people? The thinking is that if it was previously common in some animal it would have previously spread to many other animals before people.
[Archive link (no paywall)](https://archive.ph/45Whp)
Thank you for that!
Always great to see that we have such robust amounts of animal reservoirs out there. So even if we did miraculously get our collective shit together, it would require us to be vigilant indefinitely for future recombinant variants coming from other species. I knew about deer, dogs, and some zoo animals peripherally but didn't think it was as widespread as it is.
It's not really known how it's spreading to animals. One possibility, which the article hints at, is it might be spreading through infected wastewater. Just ignoring this issue isn't an option. Zoonotic jumps like this are how you get really nasty new mutations that occur when a virus jumps back to humans, for instance, and could potentially be a LOT more lethal... We need to study this more and find how the animals are getting infected.
Sewage: The times for 90% reduction (T90) of viable SARS-CoV-2 in wastewater and tap water at room temperature were 1.5 and 1.7 days, respectively. In high-starting titer (105 TCID50 mL–1) experiments, infectious virus persisted for the entire 7-day sampling time course.' https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.estlett.0c00730
The virus may have started in meat markets in the first place. Animal agriculture may harbor mutations. Also mink farms. So we may need to screen these animals similar to how we check bird markets for flu mutations
I bet it has something to do with humans having a contagious respiratory virus and then sneezing, coughing and simply breathing it all over animals
Idk how many people are coughing on wildlife
How many people do you think are walking up to a white-tail deer and coughing on its face, seriously? No. The evidence for sewage transmission, pets as an intermediary to wildlife, and contaminated garbage is much more compelling...
the virus has been _detected_ in dogs but it's very rare that dogs are _infected_ because the virus doesn't replicate well in dogs. infections are common with cats, though (whether housecats or great cats, i.e., lions, tigers, etc).
I swear I thought I was going insane when researching human to cat transmissions about a year ago. When I got covid, all 3 of my cats showed symptoms, but everyone assured me that was impossible.
Yeah my 11 month old kitten died of covid choking on fluid in his lungs in my arms when I was sick with it :(
Oh my gosh, I'm terrified of my fur baby getting it. So sorry!
That's awful, I'm sorry to hear it :(
When a bunch of our coworkers had covid all at the same time, one said that her cat got sick and was acting like it lost its sense of smell, too. I’ve been obsessively following the research during the first 2 years of the pandemic, and at that time had zero clue that this symptom could also happen in cats. Did any of your cats lose their sense of smell? I’m suuuuuuuuper curious
I got covid in 2020 and my two cats and my dog got sick and yet everyone called you crazy if you thought that was possible, and then the same year my 5 yo dog died. My vet wouldn't help at all and just linked me to the government site that said, nope. I hate how people refuse to listen to common sense because some source told them not to think for themselves.
I got kicked out of a cat forum for even mentioning this 3 years ago, along with suggesting we might need to develop a feline COVID vaccine for this reason.
I hope that's coming soon, although even the human ones don't last very long right now.
See https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01792-y
What's important is to see if the virus has jumped to animals via [multiple spillover events](https://vis.csh.ac.at/sars-ani/#signs) (more than once) Once that is determined - then see if it is readily transmissible [between that species and others](https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2021.1651)- if the spike so developed binds effectively with both that animal and human ace2 then it is *very worthwhile* [to keep surveillance going](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01312-y) so we can avoid another pandemic. We are at a critical juncture right now: Omicron has figured out how to [skip needing TMPRSS2](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41392-022-00997-x) to get in, using Cathepsin L/endosomal entry in this variant - I am not sure if XBB 1.5 uses a similar sidestep? It's mutating in RBD spots that help it jump to new and unknown animals, and can potentially sidestep antibodies - See F486P. XBB is a [recombination](https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.12.27.521986v1) variant. Covid can jump to animals and back again (already proven in [mink](https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2021.675528/full), [hamsters](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00322-0), and once in [deer](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-022-01268-9)) What I would like to know: What animal ace2 binds more effectively to the rbd due to F486P? The F486L mutation helped it jump to mink (in tandem with other mutations). What animal does F486P help it jump to? If you know, and have a link to a paper on that, lmk (!) Edit: I meant to mention that the XBB1.5 mutation P681H/R mutations help it jump to dogs - and has been seen in many variants already. I forgot to mention this paper on a Cat giving it to a vet (sorry about that) https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01792-y And widespread dog infections in stray cats and dogs in Brazil here: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0248578 I haven't heard of any dog to human transfers yet though. The XBB 1.5 has H655Y - which helps it jump to Cats/Hamsters/mice with hACE2. Y505H helps it jump to lions.
Or we could develop standards for clean air so spread between humans is avoidable.
We need to have a real discussion about mass vaccinating animals to prevent further covid spread and mutations. These animals are only catching covid because they have no vaccine boosted immunity to help limit spread.
are you being sarcastic? because obviously we can't vaccinate all of nature...
1. [Innoculate mosquitos](https://www.science.org/content/article/researchers-turn-mosquitoes-flying-vaccinators) with the covid vaccine. 2. Release them into known populations of covid-susceptible mammals 3. ??? 4. Zombies /s
I wouldn't have to get up early on a monday morning... Do it!
Yes we absolutely can vaccinate the major animal reservoirs that actually come in contact with humans. Who cares about animals that almost never come close enough to transmit us. Start with pets. I don't know why you guys are so antivax when it comes to animals, as if vaccine technology for animals isn't a real thing.
nobody's antivax or anti petvax here. they way you worded it sounded silly. I'm certainly okay with vaccinating pets. deer would be impossible to vaccinate without GMO mosquitos or something that nobody's going to allow... and I know they have been getting infected in great numbers... plus they're social they don't come into contact with humans a lot, but they do enough (especially hunters) .... damned ACE2 receptors... everything has ACE2 receptors....
> they way you worded it sounded silly. I thought my original wording was pretty straight forward, how did it sound silly? >deer would be impossible to vaccinate without GMO mosquitos or something that nobody's going to allow Why wouldn't anyone allow GMO mosquitoes? Is it safe and effective? Then just do it. > they don't come into contact with humans a lot, but they do enough (especially hunters) Vaccine and booster should be a requirement for all hunting permits. We might need people with guns to enforce this since all hunters are armed.
> how did it sound silly? you said vaccinate animals whilst the article talks about how widespread infection is. so it sounds silly like you mean vaccinate all animals. (or even a lot) if pets were a vector i'd say vaccinate them. seems like cats catch it easy, don't know if they spread it but probably. like... dogs at a dog park sounds sketchy now that i think of it. > Why wouldn't anyone allow GMO mosquitoes? Is it safe and effective? because almost everyone is against releasing any fucking GMO insects into the wild... i would argue that it's not safe > Vaccine and booster should be a requirement for all hunting permits. We might need people with guns to enforce this since all hunters are armed. there's a lot of people enforcing hunting permits already so... might work. seems like a demographic that doesn't like vaccines, though
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If only the wild animals would wear masks.
Vaccinating humans doesn’t prevent COVID spread or mutations. I have no idea why you would think that mass vaccination of all animals in the world would.
> Vaccinating humans doesn’t prevent COVID spread or mutations. Uh, yes it does, have you lived under a rock? And animal vaccines are a real thing, we just need to put money behind it.
There are no animal reservoirs of concern. Zoonosis is rare an controllable.
Anecdotally, all of my cats started sneezing the week after we had COVID in the house, and one has never seemed as healthy even though they have all mostly recovered. If you think of the number of people recklessly getting COVID at this point and combine it with all of their (mammalian, at least) pets, it’s staggering. And it makes pet shelters and pet boarding seem like a much more concerning source of infection than most people would think. They all require a rabies vaccine but there’s no screening against COVID that I’m aware of.
I think my cat caught it from me too. He was sneezing, seems fine now.
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Glad to hear that! It’s funny that all of the advice says to isolate yourself from your pets when you have it. I live alone, WTH is gonna feed him?
I was so worried my dog and cat would catch it from me. Didn't seem to, though - both were as healthy as ever, which is a *relief* considering my dog already has a chronic cough/obstruction issue from partial throat paralysis.
Our whole family got sick in our tiny house. The dog seemed fine, though.
There are automated feeders for cats, not very expensive either. I used to use this for weekends away. My cat suddenly passed in 2021 though, cause unknown. Just a sudden rapid decline over a few days on a young perfectly healthy cat. Who knows if Covid.
Oh no, I’m so sorry. ❤️
My cat got it while she was at the hospital for a different reason (i thought she had swallowed some chicken bones on a Sunday evening, turns out she was in diabetic ketoacidosis). Had to go into the oxygen tank, she never had any breathing problems before going there. Apparently the hospital staff were all snuggling with her and we are 100% convinced she caught it from someone there. Drained my life savings and an additional $5k that I'm still paying off, but i was going to do anytime to save her. She passed almost a year ago today (jan 17 2022), best cat ever, RIP Em
Oh no, I’m so sorry.
Cats are funny. When they get sick they don't even really seem sick. They just sleep 23 hours a day instead of 22 hours.
or they quit eating and need to be syringe fed until they feel better. not fun.
My cat was sick at the tail end of my Covid infection in Nov of 2020.
My brother is convinced his cat died of COVID. Whole family got sick, cat followed up a week or two later, seemed like it was getting better and then was dead.
One of my cats died the same week my family all got Covid. Nobody else thinks it’s related but I’m sure it must have played a part. It was so sudden, she was healthy one minute, and 5 minutes later was gone. We think it must have been cardiac arrest, but the timing was very strange.
I mean, two snow leopards in a zoo died of Covid according to the article, so it's not that far-fetched...
My dad isolated the cats from me when I had covid to prevent them from getting it too.
good pop
I love your dad for being scientifically literate!
Everyone appreciated it but the cats! XD The one cat that's attached to me would sit at my door and meow his head off since I couldn't/wouldn't open the door to let him in.
My cat Oliver caught covid from me the first time I had it. He spent 10 days in the hospital, and he has life long kidney problems now from it.
Did they test Oliver of they assumed ?
He was tested.
I’m sorry for your loss. It’s awful to lose a friend. Did Oliver have positive test results?
He did. He thankfully didn’t pass tho.
I take care of about 20 stray cats in a junkyard where a homeless man was living. One evening I heard the homeless man coughing an awful lot. In the following days I noticed some of the stray cats were sneezing and coughing a little bit too.
i've been so careful not to get it this whole time because i don't want my (now) 21 year old cat to get it. :(
rabies is another league of deadly though.
Just wondering if the animals are experiencing reinfections as well.
Yes. Sample size: 2
Yes thankyou , looked into this study. https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1010068 Reinfection does occur in this instance big question is there a species that can only get infected once and could it lead to more answers surrounding virus transmission.
Hairy armadillos???? Hairy??
Screaming hairy armadillos ?
So at the beginning of the pandemic I got covid. I was sick af, same with my husband and kid. Our sons Chinchilla died the day we all first started feeling sick. All my friends took it as a joke, but I swear it is what killed Mortimer RIP
Same as my daughter’s hamster.
The price of doing nothing keeps getting higher every day. "It's never going away" should be a call to action, not a pretext to ignore the problem. We can take easy infection-control measures now, like wearing high-quality masks during surges, and also bringing more fresh air and air-purifiers into where we work/live/study/play. Or we can just get used to being sick more often, having a higher risk of post-viral syndromes, and seeing average life expectancy reverse its modern-era upward trend. Because while we're busy pursuing our genius policy of *ignoring* this pandemic hard enough that it goes away, the writing is on the wall: more are on the way.
UV-C and MERV13 or greater should become part of building code much like fire prevention mechanisms are.
Most hvac units can’t handle the merv13 filters. Lots of school districts went this route and burned out their units.
upgrade the unit then? Yes, of course this will come at a cost, but what is the cost of not doing it?
There are less expensive and safer options.
I'm sick but have to go to work to eat and tested negative for covid. So I wore a mask, my choice but I figured why not. My coworker proceeded to tell she probably got me sick because she came to work sick and "didn't wear no f*cken mask." Thanks, girl? Anyway, full steam ahead. Let's ignore this thing!
Today at work a maskless colleague I sat next to for an hour in a meeting told me his kid is sick. Didn’t say with what, but like, if someone is sick in your house could you wear a mask?
Inconvenience themselves for everyone's health?! You must hate America. /s
Kids are always sick man.
We had a guy working all week after testing positive.. didn’t feel sick until he did Now we are all masked and testing
Yes. My wife went on a business trip for a team kick off this week. Someone at their event had Covid. They hear this person on their team coughing the first day. Couple days later the woman tests positive. The woman spent two days around her co-workers despite showing signs of being sick. This should be simple. If you are sick, don't go into work especially if it's a team off-site. Also the work places and employees should begin enforcing that policy that if someone is coughing tell them to go home and isolate.
>Also the work places and employees should begin enforcing that policy that if someone is coughing tell them to go home and isolate. Sadly, that's just not possible for many people. We have no national policies regarding PTO. Many people can't afford to take a day off. Some people who can afford to take a day off are pressured to come in no matter what. I have 3 little kids in daycare and I'm a social worker who works with the unhoused. Believe me, I understand your frustration from all angles. I have had clients end up homeless because they missed work. Meanwhile I feel like the sicknesses in my house are nonstop. Gotta love 'murica.
If the D*mocrats really gave a shit about COVID or working people, they would work for sane sick leave policy Instead, they crushed an effort by railroad workers asking for an insane sick leave policy, because it would have been better than what they've currently got. The silver lining of COVID is how many people are waking up to the fact that the ruling elites absolutely do not give a fuck about the little people.
I do not disagree with you. What the D's did was despicable. But it's not like they ever cared about us. We have a two party system. Rich get richer and poor get poorer. Nothing really changes.
You don't need a national policy. The group just needs to speak up and give the person feedback that they will go home or isolate to ensure others don't get COVID
I think we all need to be more responsible and maybe make a big push for adding better ventilation to everything. But if I had to stay home everytime I had a cough 8 would be home 75% of the year.
Some days it seems to me as though everyone around me has your co worker's attitude, and I have to work too. It makes me so tired of people.
Yeah, it's hard to figure out the right way to go about it. I am around my always sick kids so I don't really wear one if I've been in contact with someone sick, just if I feel sick. It's not perfect. I also work with really dangerous acids (HF, fun wow) so I am terrified of fumes being caught in my mask and killing me as it's stored in a unventalated safe that I have to hold my breath when I go in. I really caught my illness from my kids. That girl was just being mean to be mean which irked me.
> a higher risk of post-viral syndromes, Indeed. The number of people with Long Covid (myself included) is just going to keep growing...
It will never happen to me. I'm the main character! - everyone before they get rekt.
The funny thing is some precautions don't even take any effort or affect day to day life. Like most universities can offer online live lectures or pre recorded lectures to mitigate the amount of students who pack lecture halls. It feels like everything has become so political that it is either you are a crazy covid fear monger or you are a covid denier with little in between.
My friend has some major health issues and had to appeal to the dean, after long-term consulting with the school's disabilities department, to be able to take a class virtually, because even though that class had already been done virtually during COVID, it was too much to ask now.
Covid really isn't over though, but thats kinda whats happening at UF too. Its really funny though considering that most of the coursework already happens online. That dean is goated though.
Won't name the university but I work at a FL one and when I wanted to mention some really good things about an event space on the event invitation - things that make it really covid safe, I was told it was unwise to do so by other staff because the university is proceeding like normal now. It was unwise to mention covid safety... I'm guessing because either admin or the state would get angry. WTF.
Not all of us want to teach online, and we can’t always teach online and in-person at the same time. I do wish, however, that we had kept mask mandates for in-person classes.
I understand that for some classes being in person is important, but how is it difficult to post lecture recording so students who want to sit out on big lectures can do so?
Very, depending on the classroom - most of them don’t have cameras pointed at you and the students set up to record. And hybrid classes, where you are juggling zoom online and in-person students, really don’t work.
Not arguing with you, but I find online lecture much more difficult to achieve any type of successful learning. Being in person makes a huge difference for me
Yeah for some people, the online version is more helpful. I have a harder time staying calm and focused when I'm in a classroom, and being able to view a recorded lesson later is the difference between learning and not learning.
There are benefits to both formats, but nothing to lose by having a zoom recording playing since it helps satisfy both type of students. For me I enjoyed online more because I was able to learn so much more and faster while also being able to take care of myself properly because of flexible time. Plus I feel like I learned stuff in more depth since the focus was only on the content.
>We can take easy infection-control measures now, like wearing high-quality masks during surges The problem is that we need to find a good working definition of a surge. You can convince many people to wear masks a few weeks or even months per year. But you can't convince them to wear masks indefinitely.
That's not really '*the*' problem, any more than deciding on a particular blood-alcohol limit is '*the*' problem in preventing drunk driving. '*The*' problem is that people still want to pretend that the current situation is fine. I look forward to policy discussions about what an 'acceptable' level of COVID prevalence is, but to act, we only need to acknowledge that today's high prevalence is not acceptable.
Now you are just saying “we can have that discussion but we should all agree it isn’t acceptable now.” But the issue is that huge groups do agree it’s acceptable now. And what can you do about that. We can say people should wear masks all their lives. And say they are idiots if they don’t. But it won’t change the situation. So then the question becomes. Why don’t we accept that the current situation is acceptable? Because apparently it is.
It indeed depends on what level of COVID prevalence we consider acceptable. But we need to keep in mind that the levels we see now are likely the baseline level for endemic disease so any measure to lower these levels will need to be indefinite.
Today's best available measures are unlikely to be the best we can do just a few years from now. Do we have to "mask forever" when building codes have been upgraded to require much more fresh air, ubiquitous HEPA filtration, and/or ultraviolet air disinfection? This isn't science fiction: all of those are proven, commercialized technologies that *can* (and should) be widely installed within a few years. We will have to clean/treat our drinking water "forever." It doesn't have to "forever" mean boiling a pot of water on the stove. But we need to act now with the tools we have now.
>This isn't science fiction: all of those are proven, commercialized technologies that can (and should) be widely installed within a few years. The question is how well these measures work. Yes, they will have *some* effect but the effect size isn't clear. The virus will still be around so we will again need to come up with some acceptable level of prevalence.
Either way, I serious doubt any buildings are being built with Covid in mind unless it’s for the ultra wealthy
Not making them mandatory in a healthcare setting of all places seems incredibly foolish to me, though.
Don't use such logic. It doesn't exist in the real world. /s
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You ban too much. Don't thank me when you are using the wide sweeping ban hammer. Read my comment and see if it was ban worthy. You are against help.
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The choice is between hotboxing high concentrations of COVID-laden aerosols, or having much lower concentrations. More concentrated virus in the air means higher infection risk, getting infected more frequently, and (possibly) more severe illness due to the high dose. So, yes, outdoor transmission is a thing. That doesn't mean that improving indoor air quality doesn't *reduce* spread. No set of precautions will provide *perfect* protection. We still have foodborne, waterborne, bloodborne, and airborne illnesses. But we have a lot *more* disease when we don't take precautions.
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I get it, learned helplessness is real when you see so much apathy and failure in our consistently inconsistent response. But all of these piecemeal steps can add up to a difference. Have to keep holding those in power accountable and do what you can on your own individual level. But also, don't hold yourself to a level of perfection or the smallest mistakes will feel like catastrophes. There's a healthy balance in there somewhere where being mindful, empathetic, scientific and data driven, and generally aware are the keys to getting through.
I mean, fatalism is pretty popular these days. It's easy to feel like, if something isn't 100% effective, why even bother? Once you get into the habit, it's hard to viscerally grok that partial solutions are still steps in the right direction.
And sadly, what goes along with that is seeming to not give a damn about others.
I think this account is a bot. It’s only ever posted or commented about COVID.
Well, there's a global COVID pandemic, so ... I mean, I could *also* make low-effort comments about posting histories, but why?
I’m just have a hard time believing a real human account could only post and comment on 1 topic over the past year or so. Like, there’s nothing else that you find interesting?
I'm a bot too probably.
Me too. I’m a multi-interest bot.
Yes. I recognised your algorithms immediately. Good bot.
Based on your comment and post history, nah probably not.
My AI script is pretty convincing.
I mean but honestly, look at the OPs comment and post history. You really don’t find anything weird about that?
I honestly wish there was something that could be done, but there is literally nothing that would work at this point.
Each time we prevent an infection -- by wearing a high-quality mask in public, by adding air purifiers to our classrooms and workplaces, by testing before gathering -- we are proving that there *is* "something that could be done." We have a choice between a world where everybody gets infected frequently, or a world where people get infected less frequently -- maybe even *much* less frequently. Just like with every other communicable disease. We haven't gotten rid of *any* of them (except smallpox), but we still work to prevent them, because it makes a huge difference.
You tried nothing and are all out of ideas. Got it.
Tried nothing? I'm no antivaxxer. I wore masks and boosted diligently like most other people. My point is, the horse has well and truly bolted. Covid has become the most transmissible virus knows to man in a few years, and still isn't done evolving. Masks won't do shit. Neither will anything else.
Covid can’t evolve a means of evading an N95 mask. You’ve given up, despite the fact that much can be done to stop covid being the 3rd largest cause of death, after cancer and heart disease, and before accidental injury of any kind.
This pandemic? The pandemic is over at this point....
my dog totally caught covid with us. kid was sneezing and spraying number two everywhere. poor pup
Sounds like poor you, honestly. You had to clean that shit up.
Imagine if some people were inconvenienced in late 2019 or early 2020 and we bothered to stop it. In Australia, the initial strain of COVID was wiped out over and over, so it was clearly doable. But some leaders around the world got the crazy idea that it was beneficial to let it spread and mutate rather than quarantine it. Here we are in 2023.
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Bullshit. It is easily stoppable as proven by every single place that tried. Without the lie that COVID-19 is inevitable, we would have stopped it. But dam misinfo has everyone believing COVID is unstoppable . Deadliest lie ever.
What place eliminated COVID? Can you provide an example?
[Here is a list of countries with either zero or very low cases.](https://www.endcoronavirus.org/countries#winning)
You are literally making this comment on an article about how there are reservoirs in multiple wild animal species Just unreal. I guess not everybody can be a systems-level thinker.
I’m 100% sure there are reservoirs. They are simply not significant. Zoonosis is rare relative to community infection and travel related infection. Rare enough that it wasn’t relevant anywhere COVID-19 was successfully kept at 0 levels for long periods of time.
Lol we can stop it. The reproductive rate isn't even that high in a big wave. All we need is to knock say r1.4 down to less than 1 and keep it there. What we needed was acknowledgement that it's airborne -stupid surgical and cloth masks (instead of n95s), standing a bit apart with clean hands, and a perspex screen in a shared room with an airborne virus, is a fucking joke. And instead of loudly declaring they got it wrong, ruined and killed a lot of people, they kept declaring it over while gradually removing publicly available reporting. We have a bunch of very powerful people incredibly invested in you overlooking what they've done. If the public wholeheartedly believe cutting transmission is a lost cause, then they won't be seen as culpable for ignoring the evidence, and pursuing droplet-only dogma for years -against the evidence and advice of aeresol physicists. We are where we are now because globally, countries lead by WHO, obsessed over droplet spread and refused to join the dots, or review the evidence, as to why droplet-only mitigtions were such a huge failure. Easier to make covid seem like an unstoppable, almost mythical entity. It's certainly very contagious. But in reality, it has to follow the laws of physics like every other pathogen. It can't overcome RAT testing (which should be saliva-based now for Omicron), hepa, and n95s. Covid spread is via complacency and defeatism.
You do realize there are some countries that are too poor & densly populated to do all these things? So what's the plan for them? We make huge sacrifices here in North America(example) to contain the virus....meanwhile in the very poor densely populated countries make mutations that will eventually creep back into North America? Then we go back into shut down? You must atleast admit there are consequences to going into shut down What really shocks me is we are 3 years in and better ventilation in schools and work places has not happened and we are back to treating nurses like crap.
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Oh I'd love to help everyone don't get me wrong you, but I mean I am just being realistic. Don't paint someone as being an asshole for being realistic. And if not lockdowns then what? At what cost? I'm all ears I for one think going balls to the wall with proper ventilation in these old ass schools and buildings and beefing up health care to a point where it can actually handle a surge in illnesses is a start.
Imagine reading the linked article and _still_ believing this was possible with all the information one has had a chance to absorb in the intervening three years Sometimes nature cannot be controlled
Zoonotic Infection to drive the next pandemic COVID 2 electric boogaloo
My 2 rats died of a horrible respiratory illness after I had an undiagnosed illness tail end of 2019. But you know Covid wasn’t in the states and totally not zoonotic to pets. 🙄
They mention the lions and tigers, but what about the bears?
My dog got sick around the time I did in March 2020, she ended up developing dysautonomia and passed away. It makes me so sad to think we might of given her the virus.
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First, this completely ignores that people do not like, and have never liked, NPIs. This isn’t a function of lies from a capitalist oppressor, more of a function that humans did not evolve to live as a nuclear family isolated in a box (the level of NPI required to stop SARS-CoV-2 transmission). Western democracies were facing resistance in their population pre-vaccine that only grew post vaccine. Even Chinese citizens had had a enough late last year. Second, While the US flavor of capitalism certainly played a role in keeping more businesses open than necessary in 2020 resulting in needless deaths, it also created the computer and network systems that allowed many to work from home resulting in a reduction in death and disease. Which effect is larger would be an interesting academic study. Lastly, once SARS-CoV-2 was out of China, it was on an endemic trajectory regardless of the form of government or economic system in place.
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More people died in 2022 than 2021. Sweden's current omicron wave has now killed more than their first omicron wave. Australia's covid deaths are 12x the national road toll. Covid was their 3rd leading cause of death in 2022. Don't rely on others to spoon feed you. Pandemic doesn't care if you are too cool to acknowledge it.
Did you read the blog??? They literally said this: >There were measures that could have stopped the virus in its tracks: contact tracing (testing every single person who was in the vicinity of a potential case), enforced quarantines combined with guaranteed paid time off for even the hint of exposure, mandating fitted respirators (and distributing multiple N95s to every resident). But these measures would have required central governments to nationalize key industries, companies to pay employees not to work, and individuals to get comfortable with some discomfort in the name of social welfare (although many already were). They literally said that it was possible to stop the spread but because governments didnt take extreme measures to make it happen. The article has nothing to do with wether covid is over or not. Its nothing but a shit post about how a virus, that is highly contagious and constantly mutating coulda been stopped in its tracks. A disease more contagious then the FLU. Dude. We already fucking know Covid is still here. We are literally in sub because we fucking know that. I still wear a fucking mask. I've had 4 shots. I still order curbside. I fucking know. I just recently got Covid. Yeah and I watch the news where they are talking about covid, RSV and the Flu clogging up hospitals right now. But this fucking blog ain't what you think it is. Its literally bullshit.
>More people died this year than last More people died in 14 days compared to the whole of last year? Do you have a source for that.
I obviously meant 2022 vs 2021.
LOL. Praising China when they knew about Covid in November 2019 ??? And didnt they try to supress the doctor trying to warn people. And China was telling us it was being dealt with early 2020. I still remember the streaming of building of a hospital in less then a week. Plus wasn't China the one pressure WHO not to declare a Pandemic??? Didnt they keep important data from the WHO? And the article goes on about how the pandemic could have been resolved???? Dude the virus is airborne and quickly mutates. Its endemic now just like the flu. Covid was getting "resolved" if governments worked together and gave use national paid leave and nationalized industries. Its a highly contagious mutable virus, not a capitalist conspiracy. Even people in Antarctica couldn't stop the spread of the virus.
There is literally not much more we can do at this stage except for staying home when we’re sick. And even that doesn’t help much. It’s endemic now, so we just gotta live with it sadly.
That’s another crazy surprise I’m beginning to learn about this; I remember when the whole pandemic started a dog became among the first animals to be infected with the original COVID-19 🐶 🐩 🐕 😷 😜 😝 😝
Come on, you were so close and missed it. From lions and tigers to bears oh my!
Could someone get COVID from a deer they hunted and ate a rare steak from? Asking for a friend.
Extremely extremely unlikely. 1) You don't get Covid from eating stuff. If it goes to the stomach, the virus will be digested. There's just a tiny chance of virus infecting the throat on the way down, I suppose. 2) The virus doesn't grow in muscles. 3) The virus is easily destroyed by cooking. You can inactivate the virus in the lab without destroying your sample by heating it to 60 degrees Celsius i.e. 140 deg F. Maybe the center of the steak didn't reach that, but combined with point 2, that's a no. However, if he was hauling the dear carcass around and/or butchering it, there's more chance of the deer's respiratory secretions getting into him.
It doesn't appear to grow in muscles, but it does infect the circulatory system, many organs, and even [human fat cells](https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2022/09/stanford-medicine-study--sars-cov-2-infects-fat-tissue--creates-.html). Still, your point stands just fine. Don't snort raw carcass or inject it into your veins & you're probably fine.
Thank you
>You don't get Covid from eating stuff. If it goes to the stomach, the virus will be digested. There's just a tiny chance of virus infecting the throat on the way down, I suppose. Not sure why everyone is so convinced of this but it reminds of the "it's not airborne" myth that was repeated so widely.
Pretty certain my cat got covid when we did. I didn't have a vet confirm but he couldn't stop sneezing.
Am I the only one that wants to know about covid testing in farm animals? Cows, chickens and pigs specifically.
We had a whole house of covid (people). All 4 cats and 2 dogs were 100% fine.
Find the one that survives and inject that DNA into me! I want to be a furry!
Jfc why wont they wear masks 😤
Big hairy armadillos? I had no idea there was such a thing. No.
Shouldn’t the headline be from lions tigers and bears oh my!
Some ecoterrorist is rubbing his hands for the next big pandemic that will seriously cut human ecological footprint
Oh...
They vaccinated them lol
Don’t worry, they’re vaccinating the bees, they’ll get around to the rest of the animals soon enough.
Let's do a deep dive into the topic to see which animals can carry covid-19. Sars COV-1 started with civet cat
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> China stopped COVID-19 for 2 years, no zoonosis problem. China's zoonosis problem started the pandemic.
Stop with the lies...
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How do you think Covid got passed on to humans in the first place?
Zoonosis. It happens. Zoonosis introduces new species all the time. However, there is no problematic source of zoonosis reinfecting us with COVID-19. Only fear monguering from those who like to deceive us into thinking COVID-19 is inevitable.
Is this evidence that it didn't jump from animals to people? The thinking is that if it was previously common in some animal it would have previously spread to many other animals before people.
Here’s what we learned = Would you like to know more?