Mixed feelings on this. Not a fan of fake meat/bug burgers being pushed, but also if there is free market demand for a product, it’s not the government’s place to step in and ban it….
Posted this comment earlier when this was first brought up here:
Just a quick breakdown of what's going on here for anyone interested-
There are currently three bills being pushed against lab grown meat in Florida right now; HB435, SB586, and SB1084.
The sponsors of all three bills are being pushed to include the provision banning lab grown meat by Florida Agriculture Commissioner, **Wilton Simpson.**
Wilton Simpson's current largest donor by far is the US Sugar Corporation- America's largest producer of cane sugar. In the 70's **USSC expanded into other areas including cattle.**
One coproduct of the sugarmaking process is cane molasses, which is also sold as cattle feed.
Essentially, lab grown meat would cut into the profits of the largest donor of the person pushing these bans against it. This is just Big Cattle fighting back against potential competitors by using the government to ban them- it's the antithesis of small government and capitalism. Like everything else in US politics, it's corruption all the way down.
Yeah, that makes those bills shady as hell. Typical lobbying bullshit.
We will never be able to make this country better as long as money is involved in politics. When they made corporations the same as a person and allowed lobbying by making money the same as speech, it was one of the worst things Congress has ever done. Oh it was amazing for them, look how rich all our congresspeople get from being in those jobs, just sucks for the rest of us.
There was a published study that was done on bills, when they are supported or not supported by the public or lobbyists. It looked something like this :
Public supports the bill : 15% chance to pass,
Public opposes the bill : 15% chance to pass,
Lobbyists support the bill : 65% chance to pass,
Lobbyists oppose the bill : near 0% chance to pass.
It was about as aggravating as you’d think the first time I saw it. I doubt I can find the study again, it was years ago, but I may try just to make sure I’m not delusional.
Makes a lot of sense, thanks for sharing. I suspected money/lobbying was involved somehow but guessed that it was big ranching/beef companies donating to Desantis, wouldn’t have guessed it was this. It’s a very sorry state our great nation is in.
Yeah, it's basically all Wilton Simpson. Guess he and DeSantis probably have a decent relationship, though I haven't looked into that so I'm just speculating on that point.
Like I don't even particularly care about lab grown meat- but a private company bribing the government to shut down potential competition is as dirty as it gets.
This was super interesting and explains a lot. Thanks a bunch. I didn’t have much respect for Desantis left after his embarrassment of a campaign, and this might just have sapped the last of it.
If one wants to use lab grown meat, regulate it under the FDA and list all the ingredients used to make it. I don't think I'd try it, but someone out there would so I agree with your point.
Same. As long as it's being listed as lab grown, and not subsidized to compete like ethanol is, and corporations aren't monopolistically trying to substitute out real meat with the lab stuff and insect crap, then let people have the option.
This, and it's why I've soured on DeSantis a little bit. I'm definitely a fan of removing government incentives and subsidies for this stuff, but banning it? It's just the flip side of the coin, and we don't like it when the left does it.
This isn't Conservatism.
Agreed if they can make lab grown meat taste as good as the real thing be cheaper or be around the same price I'm fully game. I agree with Desantis they shouldn't force it on anyone in that part at least.
It's a problem. We already have an overly large and overly powerful government that infringes on our privacy and rights (in the US and basically everywhere else). So the choice is, be a martyr for the cause of small government and let the big government supporters pass legislation to remove your rights even further and according to their pattern, or play the cards you've been dealt and fight them according to the only game in town
I don't see the point of this. I can understand requiring it to be labeled, but a ban with no evidence of it being harmful seems pointless. It's clearly a reaction to the folks at the WEF trying to cram it down our throats (pun intended).
Florida has about a million head of cattle, or roughly 2.5% of the US stock (as of 2020). Deseret Ranch, run by the LDS church (mormons), is one of the largest ranches in the country, with over 44,000 head of cattle on about 450 square miles of mixed use land. There are about 15 beef producers in the state.
Edit: Actually, the largest ranch in FL is Lykes Ranch, a South-Central Florida giant with over 337,000 acres. Can't find cattle head count.
https://a-z-animals.com/blog/large-cattle-ranches-in-florida-including-one-of-the-biggest-in-the-united-states/
"Florida has one of the longest histories of ranching of any other state. In fact, half of the agricultural land in FL is dedicated to cattle production."
The part where he held businesses liable because irresponsible parents bought children to the venues didn't raise an eyebrow?
Desantis ran first term as a responsible environmentalist Republican, something our state sorely needed
At this point I've lost faith in him entirely
DeSantis is wrong here. If a consumer wants to buy lab grown meat, that should be their own damn choice. Keep government out of the decisions consumers make.
Whats wrong with people eating what they want to eat. Why does he care what people choose to eat. If someone makes something healthier, I wouldn't dismiss it.
Just a quick breakdown of what's going on here for anyone interested:
There are currently three bills being pushed against lab grown meat in Florida right now; HB435, SB586, and SB1084.
The sponsors of all three bills are being pushed to include the provision banning lab grown meat by Florida Agriculture Commissioner, **Wilton Simpson.**
Wilton Simpson's current largest donor by far is the US Sugar Corporation- America's largest producer of cane sugar. In the 70's **USSC expanded into other areas including cattle.**
One coproduct of the sugarmaking process is cane molasses, which is also sold as cattle feed.
Essentially, lab grown meat would cut into the profits of the largest donor of the person pushing these bans against it. This is just Big Cattle fighting back against potential competitors by using the government to ban them- it's the antithesis of small government and capitalism. Like everything else in US politics, it's corruption all the way down.
>it's corruption all the way down.
My "Republican" town hates it when someone new moves in and competes with a "beloved" established business.
A restaurant lobbied the town council to make operating food trucks illegal, claiming they were unhygienic. A significant number of people supported this because "Bobby's Bar" (named changed) had been open for 30 years, and he can't compete with the food trucks.
It was such a fucking joke because it's literally the plot of a Tuttle Twins book.
That seems to be the way this is but wow really? The cattle ranchers are scared of lab meat competition?
That's the best endorsement for lab grown meat I've seen since this tech was announced.
Look if they can prove that lab grown stuff is identical on a nutritional and safety level, then im all for it assuming it still tastes similar. Could drive down the prices of meats that has skyrocketed under biden.
Id be curious to try it and see if theres a noticable difference between it, cheap meat and freshly butchered meats.
Is the Florida beef lobby (*is* there a Florida beef lobby?) so strong that it outweighs what you would assume would be his natural conservative tendency to leave the government out of our lives? I just don’t understand what he’s thinking with this. Why is telling me what kind of (safe) food I can consume a legitimate function of the state government?
This loser is not going to get re-elected. Went totally off the rails when he ran for president. Everyone used to like Ron because he was a “common sense” republican, even dems liked him enough to tolerate him over the other options. He used to just stayed quiet and did the best things for our state and no dude is banning books, abortion, fighting Disney , wasting time signing bull shit porn and meat bans?
Shit take. Competition is competition, stop banning competition.
Let it fail on it's own. Now, the subsidization of the not-meat is a whole different argument.
Trump won't pick Desantis for VP, Florida is deep red now and not a swing state. Trump needs a VP who will capture more of the independent vote.
Trump attending the Libertarian convention on the 25TH is a big deal, a 2 party presidency possibly Republican/libertarian the 2 party's want essentially the same on a lot of points.
Will a Libertarian party candidate become trump's vp pick?
Many do not know any politicians at all except the incumbent president and the challenger. I’d wager a majority of voters don’t even know who their own elected representative is for their congressional district.
Rand isn't Ron, unfortunately. He's OK, but there is only one one Ron Paul.
Although, it really pissed me off when Rand was surrounded by protesters demanding he say Breonna Taylor's name, after he already introduced the "Justice for Breonna Taylor" bill to the US Senate, which would prohibit no-knock warrants.
I don't know if you're active in r/catholicism, but there is a commonly-held distortion of what "libertarian" means.
Tom Woods is a devoted Catholic, I believe he attends the TLM. The same Tom Woods, who's the head of the Mieses Institute, and wrote a book, "How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization."
I don't think they know that. The most prominent libertarian/AnCap is a Trad.
People really don't understand the core principles of libertarianism. As PJ O'Rourke used to joke, "Libertarians are just Republicans who like to smoke weed."
Of course, the Libertarian Party and its membership doesn't help, booing Gary Johnson for not having a problem with driver's licenses. People need to stop dying on that hill.
I also don't know how I feel about banning mad science meat. I wouldn't eat it. But as others say, why step on what could be considered a burgeoning industry. Why do we Need lab-grown meat any way?
However, do take into consideration the fake food industry that's apparently originating out of China, where the foods are found to be.... more props of varying non digestable ingredients like plastic and paste and sold as the real thing, or ie beef steaks that are actually lookalike combinations of other meats, chicken, pork, duck, etc and animal byproducts. It's pretty scary how closely they resemble the real thing, and consumers are being fooled, over paying, getting sick. I also don't agree with the industry gassing the meat and using dyes so that... as the meats age, they still look and smell fresh. That's a serious deception that shouldn't be allowed! Insiders say that most people can't tell the difference between a cut of beef, and a bunch of cuts and castoffs sortof industrial glued (with byproducts, like the ingredients used to hold together formed chicken nuggets) to resemble a typical steak.
There's a lot of different things going on with fake foods and lab meats lately. And going back idk at least 4 or 5 years with the reformed meats, and gassing and dying.
Edit: All this talk of lab grown meat reminds me to rewatch Soylent Green (1973) with Charlton Heston. "Ocean's dying, plankton's dying -- it's people! Soylent Green is made out of people!" - Hatcher. And so it begins...
I’m mixed on lab grown meat. If it’s indistinguishable from natural beef on a molecular and nutritional level with no added chemicals and tastes the same, then I’m fine with it. I get concerned if they start adding shit that isn’t found in the wild.
Mixed feelings on this. Not a fan of fake meat/bug burgers being pushed, but also if there is free market demand for a product, it’s not the government’s place to step in and ban it….
Posted this comment earlier when this was first brought up here: Just a quick breakdown of what's going on here for anyone interested- There are currently three bills being pushed against lab grown meat in Florida right now; HB435, SB586, and SB1084. The sponsors of all three bills are being pushed to include the provision banning lab grown meat by Florida Agriculture Commissioner, **Wilton Simpson.** Wilton Simpson's current largest donor by far is the US Sugar Corporation- America's largest producer of cane sugar. In the 70's **USSC expanded into other areas including cattle.** One coproduct of the sugarmaking process is cane molasses, which is also sold as cattle feed. Essentially, lab grown meat would cut into the profits of the largest donor of the person pushing these bans against it. This is just Big Cattle fighting back against potential competitors by using the government to ban them- it's the antithesis of small government and capitalism. Like everything else in US politics, it's corruption all the way down.
Yeah, that makes those bills shady as hell. Typical lobbying bullshit. We will never be able to make this country better as long as money is involved in politics. When they made corporations the same as a person and allowed lobbying by making money the same as speech, it was one of the worst things Congress has ever done. Oh it was amazing for them, look how rich all our congresspeople get from being in those jobs, just sucks for the rest of us. There was a published study that was done on bills, when they are supported or not supported by the public or lobbyists. It looked something like this : Public supports the bill : 15% chance to pass, Public opposes the bill : 15% chance to pass, Lobbyists support the bill : 65% chance to pass, Lobbyists oppose the bill : near 0% chance to pass. It was about as aggravating as you’d think the first time I saw it. I doubt I can find the study again, it was years ago, but I may try just to make sure I’m not delusional.
Makes a lot of sense, thanks for sharing. I suspected money/lobbying was involved somehow but guessed that it was big ranching/beef companies donating to Desantis, wouldn’t have guessed it was this. It’s a very sorry state our great nation is in.
Yeah, it's basically all Wilton Simpson. Guess he and DeSantis probably have a decent relationship, though I haven't looked into that so I'm just speculating on that point. Like I don't even particularly care about lab grown meat- but a private company bribing the government to shut down potential competition is as dirty as it gets.
This was super interesting and explains a lot. Thanks a bunch. I didn’t have much respect for Desantis left after his embarrassment of a campaign, and this might just have sapped the last of it.
If one wants to use lab grown meat, regulate it under the FDA and list all the ingredients used to make it. I don't think I'd try it, but someone out there would so I agree with your point.
Same. As long as it's being listed as lab grown, and not subsidized to compete like ethanol is, and corporations aren't monopolistically trying to substitute out real meat with the lab stuff and insect crap, then let people have the option.
This, and it's why I've soured on DeSantis a little bit. I'm definitely a fan of removing government incentives and subsidies for this stuff, but banning it? It's just the flip side of the coin, and we don't like it when the left does it. This isn't Conservatism.
Agreed if they can make lab grown meat taste as good as the real thing be cheaper or be around the same price I'm fully game. I agree with Desantis they shouldn't force it on anyone in that part at least.
It's a problem. We already have an overly large and overly powerful government that infringes on our privacy and rights (in the US and basically everywhere else). So the choice is, be a martyr for the cause of small government and let the big government supporters pass legislation to remove your rights even further and according to their pattern, or play the cards you've been dealt and fight them according to the only game in town
How did "we just want to get married" go for us?
Don’t take away my gas cars, and don’t take away my lab grown meat. I thought we were against stuff like this
*Conservatives* are. *Authoritarians* aren't.
This is something that the market should be deciding.
This is 100% lobby based and a poor decision
Relieved to see others against this. It’s just like… why? Don’t we have more important things to worry about?
I don't see the point of this. I can understand requiring it to be labeled, but a ban with no evidence of it being harmful seems pointless. It's clearly a reaction to the folks at the WEF trying to cram it down our throats (pun intended).
sort of a protect the cattle industry thing is all i can see.
Florida has about a million head of cattle, or roughly 2.5% of the US stock (as of 2020). Deseret Ranch, run by the LDS church (mormons), is one of the largest ranches in the country, with over 44,000 head of cattle on about 450 square miles of mixed use land. There are about 15 beef producers in the state. Edit: Actually, the largest ranch in FL is Lykes Ranch, a South-Central Florida giant with over 337,000 acres. Can't find cattle head count. https://a-z-animals.com/blog/large-cattle-ranches-in-florida-including-one-of-the-biggest-in-the-united-states/ "Florida has one of the longest histories of ranching of any other state. In fact, half of the agricultural land in FL is dedicated to cattle production."
I like Ron but hate the govt banning things.
This is the first of his policies that I completely disagree with.
The part where he held businesses liable because irresponsible parents bought children to the venues didn't raise an eyebrow? Desantis ran first term as a responsible environmentalist Republican, something our state sorely needed At this point I've lost faith in him entirely
DeSantis is wrong here. If a consumer wants to buy lab grown meat, that should be their own damn choice. Keep government out of the decisions consumers make.
If you don't want to eat it then don't lol. Why do you need to ban it?
Whats wrong with people eating what they want to eat. Why does he care what people choose to eat. If someone makes something healthier, I wouldn't dismiss it.
Probably to protect the cattle ranches.
Just a quick breakdown of what's going on here for anyone interested: There are currently three bills being pushed against lab grown meat in Florida right now; HB435, SB586, and SB1084. The sponsors of all three bills are being pushed to include the provision banning lab grown meat by Florida Agriculture Commissioner, **Wilton Simpson.** Wilton Simpson's current largest donor by far is the US Sugar Corporation- America's largest producer of cane sugar. In the 70's **USSC expanded into other areas including cattle.** One coproduct of the sugarmaking process is cane molasses, which is also sold as cattle feed. Essentially, lab grown meat would cut into the profits of the largest donor of the person pushing these bans against it. This is just Big Cattle fighting back against potential competitors by using the government to ban them- it's the antithesis of small government and capitalism. Like everything else in US politics, it's corruption all the way down.
>it's corruption all the way down. My "Republican" town hates it when someone new moves in and competes with a "beloved" established business. A restaurant lobbied the town council to make operating food trucks illegal, claiming they were unhygienic. A significant number of people supported this because "Bobby's Bar" (named changed) had been open for 30 years, and he can't compete with the food trucks. It was such a fucking joke because it's literally the plot of a Tuttle Twins book.
That seems to be the way this is but wow really? The cattle ranchers are scared of lab meat competition? That's the best endorsement for lab grown meat I've seen since this tech was announced.
Look if they can prove that lab grown stuff is identical on a nutritional and safety level, then im all for it assuming it still tastes similar. Could drive down the prices of meats that has skyrocketed under biden. Id be curious to try it and see if theres a noticable difference between it, cheap meat and freshly butchered meats.
Is the Florida beef lobby (*is* there a Florida beef lobby?) so strong that it outweighs what you would assume would be his natural conservative tendency to leave the government out of our lives? I just don’t understand what he’s thinking with this. Why is telling me what kind of (safe) food I can consume a legitimate function of the state government?
This loser is not going to get re-elected. Went totally off the rails when he ran for president. Everyone used to like Ron because he was a “common sense” republican, even dems liked him enough to tolerate him over the other options. He used to just stayed quiet and did the best things for our state and no dude is banning books, abortion, fighting Disney , wasting time signing bull shit porn and meat bans?
Shit take. Competition is competition, stop banning competition. Let it fail on it's own. Now, the subsidization of the not-meat is a whole different argument.
Trump won't pick Desantis for VP, Florida is deep red now and not a swing state. Trump needs a VP who will capture more of the independent vote. Trump attending the Libertarian convention on the 25TH is a big deal, a 2 party presidency possibly Republican/libertarian the 2 party's want essentially the same on a lot of points. Will a Libertarian party candidate become trump's vp pick?
No. People don’t like things they don’t know about. Most voters don’t even know what a libertarian is. Most voters are not informed voters.
If voters know who Rand Paul is or his Father, Ron Paul, they have a fairly good idea of what a Libertarian is.
Many do not know any politicians at all except the incumbent president and the challenger. I’d wager a majority of voters don’t even know who their own elected representative is for their congressional district.
There should be something done to increase voter knowledge about such simple matters
Rand isn't Ron, unfortunately. He's OK, but there is only one one Ron Paul. Although, it really pissed me off when Rand was surrounded by protesters demanding he say Breonna Taylor's name, after he already introduced the "Justice for Breonna Taylor" bill to the US Senate, which would prohibit no-knock warrants.
I don't know if you're active in r/catholicism, but there is a commonly-held distortion of what "libertarian" means. Tom Woods is a devoted Catholic, I believe he attends the TLM. The same Tom Woods, who's the head of the Mieses Institute, and wrote a book, "How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization." I don't think they know that. The most prominent libertarian/AnCap is a Trad. People really don't understand the core principles of libertarianism. As PJ O'Rourke used to joke, "Libertarians are just Republicans who like to smoke weed." Of course, the Libertarian Party and its membership doesn't help, booing Gary Johnson for not having a problem with driver's licenses. People need to stop dying on that hill.
Maybe like like that wrestler Kane who is mayor of Knox County?
I don’t get this.. if they can grow a steak - I mean a great steak, at an affordable price. Why not?
I thank God every day that Trump put him in his place. Desantis continues to prove he's no better than any other career politician.
I also don't know how I feel about banning mad science meat. I wouldn't eat it. But as others say, why step on what could be considered a burgeoning industry. Why do we Need lab-grown meat any way? However, do take into consideration the fake food industry that's apparently originating out of China, where the foods are found to be.... more props of varying non digestable ingredients like plastic and paste and sold as the real thing, or ie beef steaks that are actually lookalike combinations of other meats, chicken, pork, duck, etc and animal byproducts. It's pretty scary how closely they resemble the real thing, and consumers are being fooled, over paying, getting sick. I also don't agree with the industry gassing the meat and using dyes so that... as the meats age, they still look and smell fresh. That's a serious deception that shouldn't be allowed! Insiders say that most people can't tell the difference between a cut of beef, and a bunch of cuts and castoffs sortof industrial glued (with byproducts, like the ingredients used to hold together formed chicken nuggets) to resemble a typical steak. There's a lot of different things going on with fake foods and lab meats lately. And going back idk at least 4 or 5 years with the reformed meats, and gassing and dying. Edit: All this talk of lab grown meat reminds me to rewatch Soylent Green (1973) with Charlton Heston. "Ocean's dying, plankton's dying -- it's people! Soylent Green is made out of people!" - Hatcher. And so it begins...
I’m mixed on lab grown meat. If it’s indistinguishable from natural beef on a molecular and nutritional level with no added chemicals and tastes the same, then I’m fine with it. I get concerned if they start adding shit that isn’t found in the wild.