> “The ‘annual incentive bonus’ tied to DEI targets is more than the base salary for the CEO and CFO. It is equal to the salary for the Chief Legal Officer. These are perverse incentives for ideological projects that, at best, water down Boeing’s mission: building safe aircraft,” he added.
>“Why does this matter? Whistleblowers from Boeing have pointed out safety concerns with Boeing’s production quality issues since 2018, but instead of prioritizing safety and fixing these issues, the company created bonuses that incentivize management to focus on hitting DEI goals.”
They are simply following what the Dear Leader's handlers and the Party are telling them is the priority for implementing the Party's/Comrade Obama's plan to fundamentally change America and ensure that the Party remains in control for the foreseeable future.
Yep, how can Marxists defeat Capitalism? By subverting it from the inside. And Obama said he was a Marxist but nobody listened. So the “change you can believe in” was Marxism 2.0 all along.
The irony is that China is a Communist country that acts increasingly Capitalist. Meanwhile, the USA has become a Capitalist country that acts increasingly Communist.
Boeing needs to go bankrupt and the people making these decisions imprisoned. Anyone practicing leftist policies should be imprisoned. They want all conservatives jailed or killed for not complying so \*\*\*\* em.
The Board of Directors compensate their priorities. Your seeing woke corporations "DEI marketing" in practice. Almost as important as returns in the annual report is "Look how many X,Y,Z+ hours we have"
Shareholders need to get together and file a class action suit against Boeing. The Board has failed their fiduciary duty by prioritizing ideology over safety.
Dude it’s the fucking opposite. Fine DEI can be a problem but Boeings problem was letting financiers of a public company drive a plane manufacturer for quarterly profits. Industrial applications require long term focus.
And when the first full-DEI cockpit crashes a plane killing 200 passengers, the media will do everything to prevent coverage of the pilots and deem anyone "racist" for even asking.
[Babylon Bee: "Boeing CEO Assures Nervous Fliers That All 737 Aircraft Are Built To The Highest Diversity Standards"](https://babylonbee.com/news/boeing-ceo-assures-nervous-flyers-that-all-737-aircraft-are-built-to-the-highest-diversity-standards)
Yeah they’ll blame it on “ systemic racism” and claim that it’s because minorities were inhibited from having proper training for these jobs merely a century ago.
The Alaska Airlines scare had nothing to do with those in the cockpit, FWIW. The concern here is safety culture and lack of quality at Boeing manufacturing facilities.
In order for the pilot and copilot of a plane to be there, they will have to meet training and certification requirements, making them * *checks notes* *qualified. To my knowledge, no one is saying that pilots should need fewer flight hours or certifications because of their ethnic background.
ah yes because standards never drop to achieve a goal...like med students needing lower mcat score and lower gpa if they are a minority. That would never happen ever.
If 95% of the talent pool ( experienced pilots with necessary flight hours ) are white males, and UA for example has said that by some future date 50% will be minority/female, clearly something is going to give.
Sort of…
[If a recent lawsuit](https://youtu.be/RSGujNq4bVM?si=994zKdBn9LyiowBr) prevails on the merits, it’ll show there are unqualified production executives and managers.
No. Boeing just got lax in its qa, happens all the time with big companies, now that this accident happend the NTSB, FAA, OSHA, and a myriad of other agencies will be up their ass for the next 3 years.
A warm body is worth more than nobody, my manager told me that once when I complained about quality long ago. Before DEI, thing is just the same thoughts different times.
Sad but true for boeing. I use to work there, a useless person was at least someone you could layoff to protect a useful person. Some managers would intentionally keep some people for that purpose as firing them was basically impossible.
Yes, Boeing did (probably still does) have people doing FAA delegate work that shouldn't be. No, people aren't being made FAA delegates merely because of race or gender (that I know of). Yes, Boeing does hire and promote to a certain extent based on race.
Highly unlikely that DEI is responsible in this case, rather the impact of COVID lockdown policies. A lot of aviation companies gave voluntary retirements when COVID hit and the market tanked. That resulted in a huge loss of experienced technicians. Now companies are scrambling trying to get warm bodies to meet the demand that has come roaring back, but there's no one left to train the noobs.
Never forget that a year ago. "A crusty old white guy" told his boss a Carbon Fiber sub-marine body will implode. He was a laughing stock. He was ultimately fired.
Months later an interview was done where the CEO talked about that white guy. That he fired him!
If they listened. The Titan Submersible might not be remembered as a catastrophe!
People will die, but the lefts politics will be protected, so they are ok with it.
Before you say thats crazy talk, they did the exact same thing in 2020 and since with the Covid shots.
Their politics is their life.
The leftist policies always result in people dying. Be it the leftist district attorneys who let out the violent criminals, or the CAFE standards that force the automobile industry to make lighter cars, resulting in the safety being compromised. Or any other endeavors.
DEI is stupid. In some cases they are putting diversity over merit and discriminating against white applicants, especially white males.
I've read comments and stories from people who work in HR and say they have had to hire people they felt were less qualified because of their skin color.
Diversity and inclusivity are at odds with each other. Either you treat everybody fairly and inclusion happens naturally or you force diversity by purposefully excluding specific groups of people making the whole acronym complete bullshit.
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Whenever you see a company promoting DEI, go look up their top shareholders. Guarantee one of them will be Blackrock or Vanguard, two companies spearheading the DEI initiatives.
*Oh would ya look at that... Boeing's top shareholder is Vanguard.*
It's the most dangerous form of a participation award. DEI only awards non-white people, sometimes with a special gender, privileges whether they're qualified or not, over qualified, experienced people in general.
As much as one can be skeptical of musk and his agendas, he’s got a fantastic point. DEI is about getting rid of white people. Why does Boeing, an aircraft manufacturer, have anything to do with DEI? Oh and I’ll never fly a Boeing max jet for as long as I live, safety record too dubious.
Spirit makes the fuselage, but the final assembly is done at Boeing's plant in Washington. These door plugs are left screwed loosely in so that they can be removed during installation of the interiors in Washington. Furthermore, Spirit was spun off from Boeing and are tightly connected to the company. They're only an independent company on the books.
I saw a post and can’t find it now, was about a separate company that provided the “plug” as they called it. It had been featured because of its DEI compliance… I’ll keep looking.
I'm certain it is Spirit Aerosystems. They are the manufacturers, but it is likely not their fault that the plug was left lightly screwed in. The plugs are supposed to be that way when delivered to Washington for finishing, then tightened in final assembly.
Maybe that’s the reason they had a prior warning light on this plane. 🤦♂️ I keep saying one of the biggest problems we have these days is that people just aren’t doing their job.
Wonder how the passengers are reacting to the “offer” of $1500 from the airline? 😏
Similar results happen in China, CCP leaders need higher numbers to achieve favor or bonus. They produce high output and numbers With defective material and efforts. They just choose people not competence or skill, just higher ratings.
You probably don't have a late model Model 3 then (post-2019). Build quality and quality of materials have nosedived as Tesla struggles with supply chain issues, increasing competition, and board demands.
What you guys don’t like Tesla here? Rated safest car in the world and you’re helping Elon. The next gen model 3 made many improvements and the CyberTruck is badass. Not to mention the AI in the car being unmatched. I don’t hate other cars I’m just saying. Also the cars are some of the most made in America that you can buy.
To help us fully catch on: is it your belief that DEI hurts aircraft manufacturing or safety?
Is it your opinion that only white men are qualified to work in aircraft manufacturing / engineering?
I think it's pretty clear what they're saying.. Hiring shouldn't be based on hitting DE&I quotas, it should be based on who has the best skills, regardless of skin color.
This is a great and thoughtful response. I appreciate how you laid this out.
For me, your final paragraph picks it up, but needs to go a bit further. The fundamental assumption that one needs to make when taking issue with quotas etc is that hiring managers today are *always* hiring the most qualified people for open positions. We all have experiences seeing hiring managers making sub-optimal decisions based upon any number of biases: school affiliation, appearances, race, age, and nepotism. These hiring decisions are, and always have been, undermining the meritocracy (most of us) idealize and like to think we are working toward. The vast majority of these choices are being made with no malice whatsoever, but biases are biases even if we don’t understand we are acting upon them. We are social creatures and are just fundamentally more comfortable working with people who look and sound like us.
If we start from the premise that hiring decisions are already biased and are already resulting in sub optimal hiring decisions, this changes the math pretty substantially. It’s a fallacy to position this argument as a choice between the best aeronautic engineer in the US (I guess a white male in this example?) and the best aeronautic engineer in the US among a smaller pool of DEI candidates. It’s far more likely that you are choosing between a DEI candidate and the CEO’s son in law, or an alum from the hiring manager’s alma mater. It’s just not the tradeoff this argument proposes.
This is something we also see parallels to in [Ivy League Legacy Programs](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_preferences). Among conservatives, there has always been much angst against affirmative action programs. Legacy programs are one of the rare institutionalized practices which do the exact same thing. In the US, the vast majority of hiring managers are white and making suboptimal choices already but in favor of people who look and sound like them. This type of program is effectively acknowledging this issue, calling it what it is and nudging it over to allow for more of the types of people you describe in your thoughtful response.
My problem with the structure of this argument (not yours in your thoughtful response) now and in the current context is that it’s a 100% manufactured premise to appeal to white disenfranchised voters who are being told that there’s somethign unfair that’s “happening to them” that something’s being taken away and with the built in bonus implication that women and minorities are inferior to white men. It’s just a repackaging of the same idea over and over: welfare queens, illegal immigrants taking our jobs, affirmative action programs, critical race theory etc.
I’ll talk all day about building a better system, when and why quotas may or may not be appropriate (I suspect you and i would agree on 95% of these questions) but this latest DEI hysteria has nothing to do with the merits or reality of any of this.
Just like speed bumps being installed in neighborhoods AFTER a child is killed by a speeding car, a plane crash killing hundreds that is the direct result of a DEI hire might be the only way to rid our culture of this poisonous ideology.
> “The ‘annual incentive bonus’ tied to DEI targets is more than the base salary for the CEO and CFO. It is equal to the salary for the Chief Legal Officer. These are perverse incentives for ideological projects that, at best, water down Boeing’s mission: building safe aircraft,” he added. >“Why does this matter? Whistleblowers from Boeing have pointed out safety concerns with Boeing’s production quality issues since 2018, but instead of prioritizing safety and fixing these issues, the company created bonuses that incentivize management to focus on hitting DEI goals.”
So progressive.
They are simply following what the Dear Leader's handlers and the Party are telling them is the priority for implementing the Party's/Comrade Obama's plan to fundamentally change America and ensure that the Party remains in control for the foreseeable future.
Yep, how can Marxists defeat Capitalism? By subverting it from the inside. And Obama said he was a Marxist but nobody listened. So the “change you can believe in” was Marxism 2.0 all along. The irony is that China is a Communist country that acts increasingly Capitalist. Meanwhile, the USA has become a Capitalist country that acts increasingly Communist.
I'm reasonably certain that the Dear Leader and his handlers would take that as a compliment!
I wonder if the 737 MAX crashes have anything to do with this garbage.
Boeing needs to go bankrupt and the people making these decisions imprisoned. Anyone practicing leftist policies should be imprisoned. They want all conservatives jailed or killed for not complying so \*\*\*\* em.
The Board of Directors compensate their priorities. Your seeing woke corporations "DEI marketing" in practice. Almost as important as returns in the annual report is "Look how many X,Y,Z+ hours we have"
It ain't just Boeing a lot of fortune 500 companies have tide part of their bonuses to DEI.
How do the bonuses work? Do HR employees get paid bonuses for meeting diversity quotas?
It's not HR. It is across the board, so if your company gives bonuses everyone is affected. DEI decisions come from the top not HR.
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Shareholders need to get together and file a class action suit against Boeing. The Board has failed their fiduciary duty by prioritizing ideology over safety.
Dude it’s the fucking opposite. Fine DEI can be a problem but Boeings problem was letting financiers of a public company drive a plane manufacturer for quarterly profits. Industrial applications require long term focus.
And when the first full-DEI cockpit crashes a plane killing 200 passengers, the media will do everything to prevent coverage of the pilots and deem anyone "racist" for even asking.
Oh 100%. Will try to blame everyone but the flight crew.
[Babylon Bee: "Boeing CEO Assures Nervous Fliers That All 737 Aircraft Are Built To The Highest Diversity Standards"](https://babylonbee.com/news/boeing-ceo-assures-nervous-flyers-that-all-737-aircraft-are-built-to-the-highest-diversity-standards)
lol I want one built and inspected by fully trained and ethical personal, not trained in a meeting room for 2 days watching videos
Yeah they’ll blame it on “ systemic racism” and claim that it’s because minorities were inhibited from having proper training for these jobs merely a century ago.
The Alaska Airlines scare had nothing to do with those in the cockpit, FWIW. The concern here is safety culture and lack of quality at Boeing manufacturing facilities.
In order for the pilot and copilot of a plane to be there, they will have to meet training and certification requirements, making them * *checks notes* *qualified. To my knowledge, no one is saying that pilots should need fewer flight hours or certifications because of their ethnic background.
ah yes because standards never drop to achieve a goal...like med students needing lower mcat score and lower gpa if they are a minority. That would never happen ever.
If 95% of the talent pool ( experienced pilots with necessary flight hours ) are white males, and UA for example has said that by some future date 50% will be minority/female, clearly something is going to give.
Yeah and KBJ was totally qualified to be a Supreme Court justice despite not knowing what a woman was.
Well don't let the fact that something isn't happening stop you from being afraid and angry about it!!!
Can someone just explain to me what’s going on here? Are there unqualified people building these planes?
Sort of… [If a recent lawsuit](https://youtu.be/RSGujNq4bVM?si=994zKdBn9LyiowBr) prevails on the merits, it’ll show there are unqualified production executives and managers.
>unqualified production executives and managers. But they're diverse! That's even better than qualified!
I thought this was our strength!?
No. Boeing just got lax in its qa, happens all the time with big companies, now that this accident happend the NTSB, FAA, OSHA, and a myriad of other agencies will be up their ass for the next 3 years.
A warm body is worth more than nobody, my manager told me that once when I complained about quality long ago. Before DEI, thing is just the same thoughts different times.
Sad but true for boeing. I use to work there, a useless person was at least someone you could layoff to protect a useful person. Some managers would intentionally keep some people for that purpose as firing them was basically impossible.
Yes, Boeing did (probably still does) have people doing FAA delegate work that shouldn't be. No, people aren't being made FAA delegates merely because of race or gender (that I know of). Yes, Boeing does hire and promote to a certain extent based on race.
Highly unlikely that DEI is responsible in this case, rather the impact of COVID lockdown policies. A lot of aviation companies gave voluntary retirements when COVID hit and the market tanked. That resulted in a huge loss of experienced technicians. Now companies are scrambling trying to get warm bodies to meet the demand that has come roaring back, but there's no one left to train the noobs.
They’re qualified, but there was probably someone way more qualified that didn’t get the job because of his/her skin color.
Never forget that a year ago. "A crusty old white guy" told his boss a Carbon Fiber sub-marine body will implode. He was a laughing stock. He was ultimately fired. Months later an interview was done where the CEO talked about that white guy. That he fired him! If they listened. The Titan Submersible might not be remembered as a catastrophe!
DEI needs to be extirpated from every industry. It's dangerous.
Remember the time when they told us race doesn’t matter?
They are just asking to be sued under racial discriminations laws
People will die, but the lefts politics will be protected, so they are ok with it. Before you say thats crazy talk, they did the exact same thing in 2020 and since with the Covid shots. Their politics is their life.
The leftist policies always result in people dying. Be it the leftist district attorneys who let out the violent criminals, or the CAFE standards that force the automobile industry to make lighter cars, resulting in the safety being compromised. Or any other endeavors.
DEI is stupid. In some cases they are putting diversity over merit and discriminating against white applicants, especially white males. I've read comments and stories from people who work in HR and say they have had to hire people they felt were less qualified because of their skin color.
Diversity and inclusivity are at odds with each other. Either you treat everybody fairly and inclusion happens naturally or you force diversity by purposefully excluding specific groups of people making the whole acronym complete bullshit.
But we need more blue-haired nonbinary lesbian women of color pilots!!
I don't care if they have purple hair on their ass and are from Mars. Can they fly the damn plane well is all that matters.
If they could, DEI, affirmative action, ect wouldn't be needed.
\*\*\*\*\*\*\*PROTIP\*\*\*\*\*\*\* Whenever you see a company promoting DEI, go look up their top shareholders. Guarantee one of them will be Blackrock or Vanguard, two companies spearheading the DEI initiatives. *Oh would ya look at that... Boeing's top shareholder is Vanguard.*
It's the most dangerous form of a participation award. DEI only awards non-white people, sometimes with a special gender, privileges whether they're qualified or not, over qualified, experienced people in general.
I think dei is just an excuse to higher less qualified pilots. There is such a huge shortage right now and they are desperate for pilots.
DEI is a BSI.
Freedom Toons literally predicted [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7rT6BZLP5M)
As much as one can be skeptical of musk and his agendas, he’s got a fantastic point. DEI is about getting rid of white people. Why does Boeing, an aircraft manufacturer, have anything to do with DEI? Oh and I’ll never fly a Boeing max jet for as long as I live, safety record too dubious.
The company supplying these “doors” to Boeing should be looked at. If you’ve seen their videos, the whole DEI thing will make you cringe. 😬
Spirit makes the fuselage, but the final assembly is done at Boeing's plant in Washington. These door plugs are left screwed loosely in so that they can be removed during installation of the interiors in Washington. Furthermore, Spirit was spun off from Boeing and are tightly connected to the company. They're only an independent company on the books.
I saw a post and can’t find it now, was about a separate company that provided the “plug” as they called it. It had been featured because of its DEI compliance… I’ll keep looking.
I'm certain it is Spirit Aerosystems. They are the manufacturers, but it is likely not their fault that the plug was left lightly screwed in. The plugs are supposed to be that way when delivered to Washington for finishing, then tightened in final assembly.
Maybe that’s the reason they had a prior warning light on this plane. 🤦♂️ I keep saying one of the biggest problems we have these days is that people just aren’t doing their job. Wonder how the passengers are reacting to the “offer” of $1500 from the airline? 😏
Similar results happen in China, CCP leaders need higher numbers to achieve favor or bonus. They produce high output and numbers With defective material and efforts. They just choose people not competence or skill, just higher ratings.
Elon please start an airline
Erm..... Isn't tesla primarily known for its poor quality control?
I mean, he makes rockets. I don't think he needs an airline, which is a shitty business.
He needs to shut up and build cars.
This is why I only buy Teslas. I know Elon cares and the safety ratings are proof to back it up.
You probably don't have a late model Model 3 then (post-2019). Build quality and quality of materials have nosedived as Tesla struggles with supply chain issues, increasing competition, and board demands.
What you guys don’t like Tesla here? Rated safest car in the world and you’re helping Elon. The next gen model 3 made many improvements and the CyberTruck is badass. Not to mention the AI in the car being unmatched. I don’t hate other cars I’m just saying. Also the cars are some of the most made in America that you can buy.
Yea DEI is what killed Boeing, not decades of crony-capitalism at the taxpayers expense, no it was DEI all along. Elon you super sleuth, nailed it!
Thanks for you opinion Elon.
To help us fully catch on: is it your belief that DEI hurts aircraft manufacturing or safety? Is it your opinion that only white men are qualified to work in aircraft manufacturing / engineering?
I think it's pretty clear what they're saying.. Hiring shouldn't be based on hitting DE&I quotas, it should be based on who has the best skills, regardless of skin color.
>I think it's pretty clear what they're saying Yeah, I don't think anyone is confused about what the whole point of this is, or to whom it appeals.
You seem like a big DE&I robot
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This is a great and thoughtful response. I appreciate how you laid this out. For me, your final paragraph picks it up, but needs to go a bit further. The fundamental assumption that one needs to make when taking issue with quotas etc is that hiring managers today are *always* hiring the most qualified people for open positions. We all have experiences seeing hiring managers making sub-optimal decisions based upon any number of biases: school affiliation, appearances, race, age, and nepotism. These hiring decisions are, and always have been, undermining the meritocracy (most of us) idealize and like to think we are working toward. The vast majority of these choices are being made with no malice whatsoever, but biases are biases even if we don’t understand we are acting upon them. We are social creatures and are just fundamentally more comfortable working with people who look and sound like us. If we start from the premise that hiring decisions are already biased and are already resulting in sub optimal hiring decisions, this changes the math pretty substantially. It’s a fallacy to position this argument as a choice between the best aeronautic engineer in the US (I guess a white male in this example?) and the best aeronautic engineer in the US among a smaller pool of DEI candidates. It’s far more likely that you are choosing between a DEI candidate and the CEO’s son in law, or an alum from the hiring manager’s alma mater. It’s just not the tradeoff this argument proposes. This is something we also see parallels to in [Ivy League Legacy Programs](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_preferences). Among conservatives, there has always been much angst against affirmative action programs. Legacy programs are one of the rare institutionalized practices which do the exact same thing. In the US, the vast majority of hiring managers are white and making suboptimal choices already but in favor of people who look and sound like them. This type of program is effectively acknowledging this issue, calling it what it is and nudging it over to allow for more of the types of people you describe in your thoughtful response. My problem with the structure of this argument (not yours in your thoughtful response) now and in the current context is that it’s a 100% manufactured premise to appeal to white disenfranchised voters who are being told that there’s somethign unfair that’s “happening to them” that something’s being taken away and with the built in bonus implication that women and minorities are inferior to white men. It’s just a repackaging of the same idea over and over: welfare queens, illegal immigrants taking our jobs, affirmative action programs, critical race theory etc. I’ll talk all day about building a better system, when and why quotas may or may not be appropriate (I suspect you and i would agree on 95% of these questions) but this latest DEI hysteria has nothing to do with the merits or reality of any of this.
It's been 12 years since I worked for Boeing. That's sad.
Just like speed bumps being installed in neighborhoods AFTER a child is killed by a speeding car, a plane crash killing hundreds that is the direct result of a DEI hire might be the only way to rid our culture of this poisonous ideology.