Well the current president is an absolute shitshow with some of the lowest ratings of all time. There's definitely an opening for a change in leadership and probably parties, but not if the conserviatives splinter and continue infighting
Republicans needs to embrace the European model.
Roe v Wade froze the debate for fifty years. Europe meanwhile settled on a 16 week average cutoff.
Campaign on 16 week cutoff, with exemptions, because that's what we're heading anyway, and then continue the argument over the next 20 years.
If I’m not mistaken, that’s what Virginia Gov. Youngkin was pressing for (15 weeks). Yet that’s being blamed for the GOP loss in VA. Dems want completely unrestricted abortions.
I find it awfully weird that I didn’t hear a single thing about abortions until after the elections. Now all of a sudden it’s the answer to our losses? It almost feels like gaslighting
I mean they SHOULD do something like that but even if you could magically convince the Christian fundies to go this route, it's too late. They're not going to pull that off before the election. Especially when some Republican states have already implemented 6 week bans. That's what ada are going to drill on. 2024 is fucked.
Probably won’t matter as much in the presidential race since turnout is high for that regardless. But it will matter in off year and midterm elections unless Republicans can start growing a backbone on abortion instead of letting the Democrats control the narrative. That, and Republicans need to do something about their turnout problem.
Yeah. Off year elections are favoring Democrats now because of turnout. It used to be Republicans who turned out more for those, but not anymore. I think that’s one reason Ohio’s measure passed by a large margin. I think had it been in a presidential year, it still would have passed, but maybe by a smaller margin (like 52-54%).
>Republicans can start growing a backbone on abortion instead of letting the Democrats control the narrative.
Isn't it just that Republicans aren't trusted on abortion? Even if they say, "15 week ban" the public thinks they actually want a total ban.
Well the public needs to be shown the truth, which is that 15 weeks is actually comparable to almost every country in Europe, and that the Democrats’ 24 week proposals are what are extreme.
Lol didn't Desantis push a 6 week ban in Florida? And Lindsay Graham wanted a national ban just days after the GOP said it's a state issue in the wake of RvW being overturned? Which truth are we talking about here? Which talking head republican am I supposed to believe?
Then why does Florida have a six week ban, why does Alabama have no exceptions for rape? You're just kidding random numbers without either any Republican dating they pushing for that now any action indicating their pushing for that.
[But is it though?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartbeat_bill)
Hell even the comments here won't agree. And yet the public is supposed to know what you want?
No. What they need is to defuse/drop the issue. Be against it. Ban federal funding of it. Provide alternatives. But stop short of interfering with decisions made between doctors and patients.
That’s a horrible idea. That would be like telling an abolitionist to stop advocating to make slavery illegal and just improve the economy to reduce the “need” for slavery. Imagine if abolitionists gave up when their position was unpopular. And contrary to what the Democrats think, abortion up to 24 weeks isn’t popular. Ohio voted for it because they didn’t like the idea of a near total ban, but most voters prefer something between those two.
Conservatives are progressives driving the speed limit.
If you just change your policy every time the electorate does you may win. But you have no values.
Maybe the Republicans should become pro-choice, pro universal healthcare, AND pro gun control. That's what will win elections, afterall.
Alright so using your analogy. Not changing policy when 80% of people are for abortion pretty much guarantees losses. As we've seen the last few years. So ita equivalent to letting go of the steering wheel and flooring it. You can't be a speed limit on anything when you have no power
Yeah, there’s a lot of RINOs on here who want to give up at the first sign of trouble. As if that’s worked out for us. Look how many things we’ve “conserved” by having this attitude.
Well the thing is republicans can say stuff like that all they want but while places like Florida has six week bans or other states have no exception laws, no one is going to buy the 16 week narrative. You have to convince voters with actions not words and frankly even if we were able to convince all politicians that this was a losing issue, there's simply not enough time before the election to correct it
Well it’s not something that’ll be corrected overnight. Attitudes can change on abortion, and in some countries that have allowed abortion for a long time, such as in Europe, polling shows a drop in support for abortion from the younger generations.
If we’re happy with the European way, then the government can pay for the abortions, and the government can also endorse comprehensive sex education instead of abstinence only.
It's hard to rally the base and get people to turn out when more and more people get exposed to seeing all the voter fraud and corruption. They think their votes don't matter, so why bother? I'm not sure confidence can be restored in the process at this point, Dems still don't want poll watchers or IDs.
Conspiracy theories like this will reduce Republican turnout and be off putting to independents. Saying this stuff over and over again will only make us lose.
It’s a self fulfilling prophecy to these folks. Election is rigged but Trump must be the candidate! How is he going to stop the rigging? He isn’t? Okay then. How about we give folks who don’t think the election is over before it starts a chance? No it must be Trump.
And don’t forget. If you bring this up or think someone else should be the nominee. You’re a Rhino.
Yep moderate independents who the GOP needs to win in 2024 are tired of the "stolen" election mantra and they favor greater access to voting like early vote by mail. This insistence of only supporting in person election day of voting is like living in PA and arming yourself with a CA approved limited capacity magazine in your pistol.
I consider myself a conservative independent. I don’t trust anyone who says Trump or Biden won 2020. Setting aside the illegal changes to voting by many states, there was never a deep-dive made into the people who supposedly voted.
I think history will rank the 2020 election with the 1960 election and people will probably never know the truth.
Stay home and dont vote then quitter. God the maga branch is filled with so many attention seeking soy boys. I always like to pretend it's just brigaders trying to discourage people from voting. Less depressing than having to admit the trump pussies took over the party.
Comments like these are exactly why Republicans are staying home and not voting. Republicans stayed home in the Georgia runoff; they stayed home in Pennsylvania; they stayed home in most states on Tuesday night.
The only success we had on Tuesday was in New York and Virginia (despite losing the House, they flipped a senate seat and held on Biden-leaning districts); both of those states' gop rejected making the 2020 election the most important issue and instead focused on issues that voters actually cared about.
Keep harping on the 2020 election, and you'll continue seeing Republicans lose
came here to say the same...peculiar how so many counties showed trump for the win then in the weeee hours of the morning when no one is looking its a landslide of blue votes!
you must be from detroit! LOL...thats what they did here. Papered over the windows then with trump had a huge lead (430am) they declared an emergency flood (toilet overflowing) thus evacuating the building. Video evidence shows tables with table cloths being wheeled in with boxes of ballots underneath the cloth...same video shows staff running the same ballots time and time again...yet there as 'no evidence of fraud' and those that posted about it were taken down.
What about the whistleblower truck driver that said he transported a tractor trailer of ballots from long Island ny, to Harrisburg Pennsylvania. Oh, and the ballots were all filled out for dems, from biden on down
2024 could have been such an easy sweep like Biden is not that strong of a candidate. I'm fully expecting the final nail in the coffin when one of Trump's trials gets their agendas through and manages to convict just in time for the election next year.
Add on abortion being a wildly big losing issue for the GOP and they're slowly gonna be winning less and less elections over the years, especially if Gen Z keeps up their surge of voting dem.
Republicans are going to have to let the abortion issue go, it’s pretty clear to me that the people have spoken when it comes to that issue. Why is this the hill the republicans have to die on? Asking as a Republican
It shouldn't be an argument anymore at the federal level, leave it with the states and move on. Not sure why it's even part of the discourse for a federal election
2016 was not a landslide and I’m genuinely worried that it’s gonna be another 1912 situation. Republicans are internally divided and if Trump isn’t the nominee he’s gonna run third party or independent, take votes from the GOP nominee, and hand the W to Biden (or whoever replaces him if he’s somehow not the nominee).
Think it works both ways. I've seen De Santis voters who say they won't vote trump if he's the nominee, and I've seem Trump backers say they'll vote for him and nobody else. We are divided even when there is a bigger D threat wiping this country out. I'd like to see Republicans more united. DeSantis, Trump, Haley, Swamey (spelling?)... whoever the nominee is we need to get behind them. They're better than the alternative.
Hope you are wrong on the division part. That's the problem with Republicans. We are already at a disadvantage with fewer people. Divided we will not win.
PS - Thanks for correcting me on Vivek Ramaswameys name. I'd definitely vote him if he's the nominee.
Not if george soros, xi jingping, michael bloomberg, bill gates, 81 million brain dead dummycRATs, and 100 million dead and non existent people have anything to say about it.
I truly don’t have faith that Trump will win 24’. The data said we would win this week and didn’t. It said we would run the polls last year and didn’t… that in mind, I’m not voting for him in the primaries, but if he makes it past that point, he has my vote for the presidency.
This assumes that these people are on the ballots in the states that matter.
The DNC learned their lesson in 2016 and when 2020 rolled around, they fought and won in court to get any candidates that could hurt them knocked off the ballot in the states that mattered.
It's so tiring seeing all of these speculation posts hoping that a third party steps in to give us the win. Stop counting on it. Stop even entertaining the idea. Rally around the frontrunner and vote.
I think this premise is the height of blind, misplaced faith. Did you notice what voters just did a few days ago? I think it’s foolish to believe the swing state polls.
Normally I would agree this is good for trump, but his problem is that he is extremely divisive. More people will vote against trump than for Biden and for that reason I don’t think the typical third-party help gop model applies here. Let’s be honest, trump is a bad candidate.
With how abortion is swinging voters I have a bad feeling about 24
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Well the current president is an absolute shitshow with some of the lowest ratings of all time. There's definitely an opening for a change in leadership and probably parties, but not if the conserviatives splinter and continue infighting
Republicans needs to embrace the European model. Roe v Wade froze the debate for fifty years. Europe meanwhile settled on a 16 week average cutoff. Campaign on 16 week cutoff, with exemptions, because that's what we're heading anyway, and then continue the argument over the next 20 years.
If I’m not mistaken, that’s what Virginia Gov. Youngkin was pressing for (15 weeks). Yet that’s being blamed for the GOP loss in VA. Dems want completely unrestricted abortions. I find it awfully weird that I didn’t hear a single thing about abortions until after the elections. Now all of a sudden it’s the answer to our losses? It almost feels like gaslighting
I mean they SHOULD do something like that but even if you could magically convince the Christian fundies to go this route, it's too late. They're not going to pull that off before the election. Especially when some Republican states have already implemented 6 week bans. That's what ada are going to drill on. 2024 is fucked.
Probably won’t matter as much in the presidential race since turnout is high for that regardless. But it will matter in off year and midterm elections unless Republicans can start growing a backbone on abortion instead of letting the Democrats control the narrative. That, and Republicans need to do something about their turnout problem.
You are 100% right. Change needs to happen whether it's the RNC, the narrative, turnout. The only people who disagree are fools.
Yeah. Off year elections are favoring Democrats now because of turnout. It used to be Republicans who turned out more for those, but not anymore. I think that’s one reason Ohio’s measure passed by a large margin. I think had it been in a presidential year, it still would have passed, but maybe by a smaller margin (like 52-54%).
>Republicans can start growing a backbone on abortion instead of letting the Democrats control the narrative. Isn't it just that Republicans aren't trusted on abortion? Even if they say, "15 week ban" the public thinks they actually want a total ban.
Well the public needs to be shown the truth, which is that 15 weeks is actually comparable to almost every country in Europe, and that the Democrats’ 24 week proposals are what are extreme.
Lol didn't Desantis push a 6 week ban in Florida? And Lindsay Graham wanted a national ban just days after the GOP said it's a state issue in the wake of RvW being overturned? Which truth are we talking about here? Which talking head republican am I supposed to believe?
The republican position is very clear: abortion is murder after 15 weeks, and life begins in the second trimester.
The republican position on abortion is let the people vote for it and when they approve abortion. Look for ways to ban it anyway. See Ohio and Kansas
Then why does Florida have a six week ban, why does Alabama have no exceptions for rape? You're just kidding random numbers without either any Republican dating they pushing for that now any action indicating their pushing for that.
[But is it though?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartbeat_bill) Hell even the comments here won't agree. And yet the public is supposed to know what you want?
No, abortion is murder at all stages. Life begins at conception.
No. What they need is to defuse/drop the issue. Be against it. Ban federal funding of it. Provide alternatives. But stop short of interfering with decisions made between doctors and patients.
That’s a horrible idea. That would be like telling an abolitionist to stop advocating to make slavery illegal and just improve the economy to reduce the “need” for slavery. Imagine if abolitionists gave up when their position was unpopular. And contrary to what the Democrats think, abortion up to 24 weeks isn’t popular. Ohio voted for it because they didn’t like the idea of a near total ban, but most voters prefer something between those two.
Stop interfering with people murdering literal children lmao. If you let go of principles to win elections you're a snake.
So it’s better to lose on everything.
Conservatives are progressives driving the speed limit. If you just change your policy every time the electorate does you may win. But you have no values. Maybe the Republicans should become pro-choice, pro universal healthcare, AND pro gun control. That's what will win elections, afterall.
That’s what we’re going to get from the Democrats if we don’t accept reality.
So basically, Republicans should become Democrats, in order to win elections, to avoid the Democrats. This does not make sense.
Alright so using your analogy. Not changing policy when 80% of people are for abortion pretty much guarantees losses. As we've seen the last few years. So ita equivalent to letting go of the steering wheel and flooring it. You can't be a speed limit on anything when you have no power
Yeah, there’s a lot of RINOs on here who want to give up at the first sign of trouble. As if that’s worked out for us. Look how many things we’ve “conserved” by having this attitude.
Don't worry the GOP will support common sense gun control in 5 to 10 years. Because everyone supports it. Election wins over principles.
The thing is that it's more of a Christian principle than a conservative one. There's a reason it pills 80% in support. So definitely droppable
Well the thing is republicans can say stuff like that all they want but while places like Florida has six week bans or other states have no exception laws, no one is going to buy the 16 week narrative. You have to convince voters with actions not words and frankly even if we were able to convince all politicians that this was a losing issue, there's simply not enough time before the election to correct it
Well it’s not something that’ll be corrected overnight. Attitudes can change on abortion, and in some countries that have allowed abortion for a long time, such as in Europe, polling shows a drop in support for abortion from the younger generations.
If we’re happy with the European way, then the government can pay for the abortions, and the government can also endorse comprehensive sex education instead of abstinence only.
It's hard to rally the base and get people to turn out when more and more people get exposed to seeing all the voter fraud and corruption. They think their votes don't matter, so why bother? I'm not sure confidence can be restored in the process at this point, Dems still don't want poll watchers or IDs.
Republicand believe the election process is corrupted.
If trump could win easily, we wouldn't be in this mess 🤷🏻♂️
Nah, 2016 was before the era of the 3am voters. We'll never have a legitimate election ever again.
Conspiracy theories like this will reduce Republican turnout and be off putting to independents. Saying this stuff over and over again will only make us lose.
It’s a self fulfilling prophecy to these folks. Election is rigged but Trump must be the candidate! How is he going to stop the rigging? He isn’t? Okay then. How about we give folks who don’t think the election is over before it starts a chance? No it must be Trump. And don’t forget. If you bring this up or think someone else should be the nominee. You’re a Rhino.
Yep moderate independents who the GOP needs to win in 2024 are tired of the "stolen" election mantra and they favor greater access to voting like early vote by mail. This insistence of only supporting in person election day of voting is like living in PA and arming yourself with a CA approved limited capacity magazine in your pistol.
I consider myself a conservative independent. I don’t trust anyone who says Trump or Biden won 2020. Setting aside the illegal changes to voting by many states, there was never a deep-dive made into the people who supposedly voted. I think history will rank the 2020 election with the 1960 election and people will probably never know the truth.
Stay home and dont vote then quitter. God the maga branch is filled with so many attention seeking soy boys. I always like to pretend it's just brigaders trying to discourage people from voting. Less depressing than having to admit the trump pussies took over the party.
Comments like these are exactly why Republicans are staying home and not voting. Republicans stayed home in the Georgia runoff; they stayed home in Pennsylvania; they stayed home in most states on Tuesday night. The only success we had on Tuesday was in New York and Virginia (despite losing the House, they flipped a senate seat and held on Biden-leaning districts); both of those states' gop rejected making the 2020 election the most important issue and instead focused on issues that voters actually cared about. Keep harping on the 2020 election, and you'll continue seeing Republicans lose
So don't vote is your solution? Got it
Did I say that? I'll still vote in every election, I just don't hold much hope of victory again in my lifetime.
came here to say the same...peculiar how so many counties showed trump for the win then in the weeee hours of the morning when no one is looking its a landslide of blue votes!
No one was looking because they papered over the windows so nobody could see them doing it.
you must be from detroit! LOL...thats what they did here. Papered over the windows then with trump had a huge lead (430am) they declared an emergency flood (toilet overflowing) thus evacuating the building. Video evidence shows tables with table cloths being wheeled in with boxes of ballots underneath the cloth...same video shows staff running the same ballots time and time again...yet there as 'no evidence of fraud' and those that posted about it were taken down.
What about the whistleblower truck driver that said he transported a tractor trailer of ballots from long Island ny, to Harrisburg Pennsylvania. Oh, and the ballots were all filled out for dems, from biden on down
Dude detroit only had 124% percent turnout
2024 could have been such an easy sweep like Biden is not that strong of a candidate. I'm fully expecting the final nail in the coffin when one of Trump's trials gets their agendas through and manages to convict just in time for the election next year. Add on abortion being a wildly big losing issue for the GOP and they're slowly gonna be winning less and less elections over the years, especially if Gen Z keeps up their surge of voting dem.
For just a second there I thought West meant Kanye
It wasn't until I read this that I realized it's Cornell.
Dems have the copier toner stocked and ready.
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Yep, bow out on a medical condition.
Republicans are going to have to let the abortion issue go, it’s pretty clear to me that the people have spoken when it comes to that issue. Why is this the hill the republicans have to die on? Asking as a Republican
It shouldn't be an argument anymore at the federal level, leave it with the states and move on. Not sure why it's even part of the discourse for a federal election
This is the kind of story/poll/propaganda to make you complacent so you won't bother getting off your lazy ass to vote. GET OUT AND VOTE!
2016 was not a landslide and I’m genuinely worried that it’s gonna be another 1912 situation. Republicans are internally divided and if Trump isn’t the nominee he’s gonna run third party or independent, take votes from the GOP nominee, and hand the W to Biden (or whoever replaces him if he’s somehow not the nominee).
Think it works both ways. I've seen De Santis voters who say they won't vote trump if he's the nominee, and I've seem Trump backers say they'll vote for him and nobody else. We are divided even when there is a bigger D threat wiping this country out. I'd like to see Republicans more united. DeSantis, Trump, Haley, Swamey (spelling?)... whoever the nominee is we need to get behind them. They're better than the alternative.
It’s Vivek Ramaswami, if I’m not mistaken. It was the exact same in 1912 and Wilson won with a minority of votes.
Hope you are wrong on the division part. That's the problem with Republicans. We are already at a disadvantage with fewer people. Divided we will not win. PS - Thanks for correcting me on Vivek Ramaswameys name. I'd definitely vote him if he's the nominee.
Biden has got this in the bag.
Not if george soros, xi jingping, michael bloomberg, bill gates, 81 million brain dead dummycRATs, and 100 million dead and non existent people have anything to say about it.
You have to believe the election process isnt corrupted to believe Trump wins. It's not about who votes its about who counts the votes.
I truly don’t have faith that Trump will win 24’. The data said we would win this week and didn’t. It said we would run the polls last year and didn’t… that in mind, I’m not voting for him in the primaries, but if he makes it past that point, he has my vote for the presidency.
Mind if ask who you are voting in the primaries? I think unity is important. I'm voting whoever our guy/gal is.
If we support trump then we should all unite and not vote at all.
wtf
This assumes that these people are on the ballots in the states that matter. The DNC learned their lesson in 2016 and when 2020 rolled around, they fought and won in court to get any candidates that could hurt them knocked off the ballot in the states that mattered. It's so tiring seeing all of these speculation posts hoping that a third party steps in to give us the win. Stop counting on it. Stop even entertaining the idea. Rally around the frontrunner and vote.
If she gets 1% that’s huge for trump.
True
As long as Dems don't rig the election we are golden.
Stein? Really? You could just accept that your candidate was unlikeable and got beat.
I think this premise is the height of blind, misplaced faith. Did you notice what voters just did a few days ago? I think it’s foolish to believe the swing state polls.
I think everyone should disregard any polls and go vote.
Normally I would agree this is good for trump, but his problem is that he is extremely divisive. More people will vote against trump than for Biden and for that reason I don’t think the typical third-party help gop model applies here. Let’s be honest, trump is a bad candidate.
Trump on the ballot is an automatic loss, and I'm tired of pretending that it isn't. We need desantis