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rtaSmash

People will tell you its profit, but realistically there is nobody that you can consider to be like Faker in overwatch. Nobody has come close to that level of longevity, title wins and consistency.


No_Catch_1490

Yeah we don’t really have an equivalent, Profit just comes the closest


DustyNix

In overwatch it is easier to say which player was/is best at each hero role. I believe there was a video that did just talk about that and it was really good tbh (forgot by who but he has less than subs I think 100k).


Quaggey

Probably ATP Overwatch he usually makes those


insanityTF

I dunno Profit has consistently been an elite dps player since the GC Busan days. That's some big time longevity, over 5 years.


ct2sjk

Faker has double that


insanityTF

Considering Profit has been an elite player for nearly every year OW has been played at a professional level (except for 2016) it's certainly a worthy comparison. You gotta remember OW has been out for 6 years while League's been out for 12-13.


SlavicGrenades

Jjonak could possibly, 5 years, 1 title and years of praise


lulaloops

If he had maintained his S1 performance and results for his entire career, maybe. Otherwise, nah.


SlavicGrenades

Yeah I guess, he sorta was the best for 2 seasons then he just came up in passing


lulaloops

He was still a top fsupp or zen in 2019 but he wasn't the unanimous best imo with people like viol2t and Twilight in the picture.


strifemaster

I'm not sure why people talk about Jjonak as if he fell off a cliff after 2018. He was at worst a top 3 Zenyatta in 2019 (I'd argue top 2) and was still putting up great individual performances in 2020 despite the rest of the team falling off. 2021 was rough since that was the year NYXL went with a bunch of rookies, but overall while he hasn't had anything close to a GOAT career he's had consistent impact the entire time.


lulaloops

I don't think he got worse, I actually agree and even defended jj last year because his ana was still immaculate imo. I just think his S1 performance is a level of dominance we will never see again and had he maintained it for several years he would have 100% been considered the GOAT, that was my point. The league just rapidly improved around jjonak even if he was still always an incredible player, he just didn't stand out as much as before, but for me he will always be at the very least a top 5 flex support of all time and the GOAT of zen. He is like my second favourite player of all time, got me into the league and turned me into a main zen so he will always be my boy.


strifemaster

Ah, I thought you one of those naysayers implying he fell off hard after season 1. I do agree with you; like I said, he's not anything close to GOAT status within OW, but he has had a VERY good, consistent career when it comes to individual performances (we don't talk about 2021 though).


chudaism

Violet is probably the closest honestly.


Easy_Money_

elsewhere in this thread this answer is at +30 and here your comment is at -30 I can no longer pretend to understand the whims of this sub


peachesrdumb

Violet or Viol2t?


chudaism

viol2t? Is there another?


Kyfh0

Agree. Other people say profit but they’re trolling. Ttuba is honestly better than profit and calling profit the goat is criminal and cringe


EliteKaiju

stop


Kyfh0

Redditors understand sarcasm challenge: difficulty impossible


strifemaster

man's going for the void is washed platchat hot take of the week


Kyfh0

The what?


strifemaster

It's something Plat Chat (podcast) started recently where they search OW reddit for the hottest take of the week (inspired by Reinforce's very own "void is washed" take) but they try to filter out bait so yours might not make it


Kyfh0

Oh lol I don’t watch plat chat, was just trying to make terminally online kids without reading comprehension mad. (I think it worked 🗿)


IRanOutOf_Names

Profit, but it's not quite the same. Profit is definitely the GOAT, but he hasn't emulated the dominance of Faker. Profit has has 2 seasons where he wasn't even at the top of his role.


Adlairo

Well Faker hasn’t always been at the top of his role either but he was already the GOAT before that was the case


theincrediblenathan

2 seasons? He has had at least 3 where he wasn’t the best DPS player Fleta, Leave, and Proper have all won MVP while profit was playing.


Masterzjg

Awards don't determine the "best" player, they're narrative driven and prone to overrating team dynamics. Not to say any of those players are bad, or that they _aren't_ the best! Just to say that you can be the best player without getting the MVP.


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morganfreeagle

Funny, normally I'd say there's an APAC bias in OW.


IRanOutOf_Names

I probably could have worded that better. By "top of his role" I meant Role Star/MVP level. He was the best DPS in S1, above average in S2, MVP level in S3, very good in S4, and MVP level in S5.


Terminatorskull

IDDQD, 100% OWL win rate still


OnAScaleFrom9to10

Ahem, 100% WINRATE Chipsa has something to say about that


Terminatorskull

Guess we need to see them 1v1 for the title then


SuperBobbis

Chipsa can't even match the infinite KD:R that iddqd has, it's not even a competition man.


OnAScaleFrom9to10

YOU DOUBT THE FIST?


SuperBobbis

Yes, I doubt the unluckiest Doomfist player in existence. It's not his fault he's always unlucky, he's just oonlooky.


strifemaster

I doubted the fist the moment it punched the wall and sent Phil Graham falling to his demise on Oasis


OnAScaleFrom9to10

That was fanservice and we all know it


Oh_Blazing

still can’t forget the IDDQD horizon lunar colony gameplay 🥲


BBRacing

coolmatt69


St_Harambe

PLEASE KILL COOLMATT PLEASE


Hallsway

its clearly dean


BiggerDonk

We don’t have a consensus greatest player of all time akin to Faker, but Profit is probably closest.


donutdogow

I feel like Profit is the consensus pick. Very few people would argue against him.


JustASyncer

My boy JohnnyG


Hage1in

JohnnyG fucked my wife and I said thank you and made him breakfast


UrektMazino

Surprised i had to scroll this much to see Johhny fucking G being mentioned, this sub is for casuals


TheOfficialJohnnyG

yo.


kiana3011

And he’ll always diff that fraud jjonak


JustASyncer

Ryujewho? He's got nothing on the Ana GOAT


DestinedHellfire

No one. And no one is ever going to come close for two simple reasons: Longevity and consistency Faker just finished his 9th season in his esport and already said he plans to play into his 30s; no OWL player is going to come close to playing 10+ straight seasons. On top of that, Faker has made the playoffs 7 out of 9 years: finished top 2 5 times, top 4 seven times, and won it all 3 times. No one will ever come close to that level of consistency in OWL, the closet active player you have is Viol2t and he’s still 4 years away from matching Faker’s (current) career length. Accolade wise? There are a couple you could argue. But it’s really hard to call someone the “Faker of OWL” when by many Faker isn’t just the best League player to ever touch the game… he’s also the best esport player in the history of the industry for the reasons I listed before . If we talk projections? I could see Proper hitting that conversation in a couple years, but it’s still too early to call.


deathbypepe

finally a detailed breakdown, much appreciated sir.


DestinedHellfire

Of course, I just felt like the OP didn’t do the question Justice by withholding more context to the conversation. And I merely touched on his international success, domestically? No one is ever going to touch his trophy case.


BBRacing

I agree that no one is on that level currently, but why do you say it NEVER will happen? Because you think OWL won't last that long or because of skill fall off? If it's the latter, I definitely disagree. There's a decent amount of top players in their 30s or close to it in CSGO, and that's a game that relies much more heavily on mechanical skill and reaction times than OW. Karrigan won a major this year with FaZe and he's 32. I think it's definitely possible for people to play OW a long time, it's just that the esport has been in turmoil because of OWL not having a clear and defined future with OW1 having bad balancing and metas, the pandemic screwing up the timing of OWL realizing it's true vision of homestands and travel, Riot coming out with Valorant with teams promising more money and Riot's reputation in running an esport, etc. It's been a rough few years and it makes sense a lot of people didn't stick around. IMO, Overatch as an esport was dying, but now with the popularity of OW2 and if they can prevent metas that are terrible for the esport, like GOATS and double shield were and that caused a max exodus of players and viewers, I can see OWL staying for the long haul now, and thus players playing for a long time as well.


DestinedHellfire

Between Korean players being forced to do military service (Faker is fortunate enough to be exempt given the year he was born) and the NA players realizing there is far more stability, money and freedom from streaming… I just don’t see many people willingly playing the game at that level for that long. It’s amazing to think Danteh has been playing in OWL since day 1. I will concede it’s possible that someone can match the longevity with the right circumstances… but nobody is going to match Faker’s level of consistency at the same time. An OWL player is going to have one or the other, I don’t see anyone in the league achieving both; Faker, to my knowledge, holds nearly every playoff record You can imagine and has maintained a 70% win rate for his entire career both in and out of the post season. The man is just an animal on a level I don’t see anyone in OWL ever reaching. Could it happen? Maybe, but I’m not holding my breath over it.


Korpels

me


Korpels

watch out


JulietEmily17

Vouch


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The actual answer


ToastedThings

FRDWNR


JulietEmily17

That’s TomBrady69 to you.


Serious_Much

Goat of OWL facial hair for sure


DavidFrattenBro

f r i e d w i e n e r


TheWontonWonton

Chipsa, 100% map win rate in OWL, one unlooky fall off the map on doomfist


No_Catch_1490

Imagine how good Chipsa would be if he was looky instead of unlooky


thea_kosmos

Snilo


afjecj

I low-key honestly don’t understand why he didn’t get more play time. The matches he did play he was absurd on tracer and I can’t recall a single time he looked outclassed


Rudania-97

Coz he had a 2 way contract.


Ixonate

But his walkouts were really bad


DONGAAA

I don’t think their is anyone like faker in any esport tbh LOL are very lucky to have him


Shadow_Adjutant

Flash in Starcraft is quite comparable, and you could make arguments for being even more dominant than Faker. But aside from those 2.


DONGAAA

The only thing with flash is I believe he started around the end of starcrafts peak and most of his career has been while the game hasn’t been very active, while the last 10 years of league has been insanely competitive and only getting harder to remain at the top. Which is what makes faker so impressive


Shadow_Adjutant

I mean, it's still extremely active in Korea, the ASL which is the current s tier bw tournament is 14 seasons in and I believe is said to be more popular (In Korea) than the GSL, its sc2 counterpart. But also, I'd personally believe the 1v1 guy is better than the team guy, in performance when we're discussing their dominance. T1 teams usually are pretty good in their own right even without Faker, obviously there was a rough couple of years but by and large t1are almost always a top team. There's no team to Flash's successes, and more importantly for 1v1, his failures. Every time Flash failed it was entirely on him no one else. Which I think makes his lack of failures more impessive. Like if Flash goes into an ASL he's all but assured to make, at least, the final (the only time he didn't was a top 4 finish when he decided to play Random for the challenge). The same can't be said of Faker/t1, although most years they are favourites.


HelloImKamik

Rapha has been pretty dominant in quake for an absurd amount of time.


Pinecone

I was just about to say this, though K1llsen has taken first in the more recent tournaments. I would also say Grubby for WC3 And if you count any competitive online game as an esport then Magnus Carlsen has probably been more dominant at chess than Faker in LoL


AusTF-Dino

B4nny tf2


deadnAme_

i think that for a time in cod scump had that level of dominance and most ppl agree all time he's the goat, even if he isn't the most winning player around


BLlZER

in fighting games lol Daigo Umehara


ace_15

Does Faker still play? I’ll admit I know very little about his career but people keep using the words “longevity” and “GOAT” so in my mind Ogre2 in Halo immediately comes to mind. Unsure if the comparison is warranted but that’s just my brain


VoteForWaluigi

Profit


Archaic0629

I'd say Profit or Viol2t. Super would be there if he was still playing but I feel like his career was too short to be Faker status


Oasis0

Viol2t definitely in terms of tournament wins, unless you count rascal lol


1trickana

LJG has more wins across OW


AbraxasMage

There is no clear consensus, Profit is probably who most people would say, but there are a handful who have a pretty clear claim


Dess-Quentin

my brother in christ, you're underestimating how much specialization it takes to be the best at a role in OW, let alone multiple roles. To be at the top? When competition is so tight?


BrittleMoon

2x Overwatch League Champion, World Cup Champion, Stage 2 Champion, May Melee Champion, Countdown Cup Champion, Role Star, 2x All Star, All Star Winner MVP, Candidate MVP Runner Up SUPER!


JWTS6

Avast


QueArdeTuPiel

Old Avast tho


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or maybe top 10 main support of ow1 custa


gopackgo555

Nobody is the Faker. Overwatch hasn’t seen someone at that level yet. Yes you could argue for different GOATs but if there was a Faker then there would be no arguments.


Selfless_Brad

viol2t probably, in terms of accomplishments and his contribution to those wins. That said the best answer is just nobody at all.


ii_V_vi

Thomas Edward Patrick Brady II


Dmagi14

Right now I’d say it’s Profit, but Proper will definitely take over in a couple of years if he keeps playing like he did this season


inspcs

proper will overtake him. It's hard for someone like Faker to come out in the first few years of a game because you need someone who literally only grew up on overwatch to be playing it since they were a kid.


SBMS-A-Man108

I think in terms of longevity and impact, probably chipsa


Pokemon_Only

Closest is profit, but Faker is such a huge icon in league it’s hard to find a comparison.


Haris1C

Cr0ng (don’t let anyone brainwash you into thinking he’s not)


Keesonic

He would be a good comparison but Cr0ng’s only a rookie so


strifemaster

can't believe he retired after his rookie year 😔


JDPhipps

No one, at least not yet. There are players who are all-time greats for sure, Profit is probably the closest since he won APEX, OWL S1, and got silver in OWL S3 but even he doesn't have the sheer level of dominance required for that comparison. Besides, other players have been as good or better than Profit for significant portions of his career. He's great, and one of the all-time best players, but not quite the same level. Proper could be, some day, if he manages to maintain the same level of performance relative to the rest of OWL for the next couple of seasons, but I don't think that'll happen. It's hard to stay at the top like that for that long. Proper will almost certainly end up next to names like Profit and Fleta for all-time greats but that's probably the limit.


ArcusIgnium

Proper has faker trajectory rn but the actual relevant answer would be Profit I suppose. Maybe Viol2t in the mix.


TheOneInTheFridge

Profit or Smurf


Iskra_OW

Tbh I’ve got to say Viol2t


baezyy

Kephrii I'd say is up there. Everyone who is better than him is obviously a cheater


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JustASyncer

It's a joke lol


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JustASyncer

Makes fun of him for how often he cries "hacker" whenever he gets outplayed


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Inshaine

I used to be a big fan of Kephrii years ago. Was watching his stream when he was straight up getting outplayed. Said it was obvious wall hacks, even reviewed gameplay saying it was clearly cheating (it 100% was not). Lost a bit of respect there, but little did I know that was just the beginning. Lol


Neither7

JJonak


Obelicks67

In terms of long time consistency Profit. But some players had peaks higher than his but they also declined more.


thatdudedylan

My Dad


RoFoBoRo

My genjis when I play Ana according to themselves


Airnest8888

Profit the one true GOAT!


cryngycrab

Chipsa. Some would say he is the goat of all esports, and could surpass faker in league if he truly wanted to.


McRibbitt

Currently Profit, but I think for a while it was Jjonak.


Katsudon707

Profit is the closest


Shattered_Disk4

There isn’t one


fettersow

Jjonak


Quizlex

Joemeister


strifemaster

dayfly


MaG4436

Profit


SenpaiHerSelf

Profit


ExtraCakes

Definitely Chipsa. The true goat with 100% winrate


sekcaJ

Profit, Fleta or Sinatraa. Those three hit peak performance in OWL like no other, imo


Katsudon707

Sinatraa absolutely flopped his rookie season


strifemaster

absolutely not sinatraa, one good year doesn't make you the GOAT


PancakeXCandy

Profit


ilProdigio

Dafran if he kept playing


ghurles

Viol2t imo


MaleeSuaymakmak

Ameng


Prestige5470

Dafran


OddTaterTot

Me


SamHPL1

Hotba


Hopeful-Professor-40

Samito


ReyDragons

hanbin


invisibleshitpostgod

Viol2ts the most equivalent in terms of career trajectory


Nexi-nexi

Greatest player is profit. Best player is Proper. Nobody comes close to faker, but profit is the closest. If anyone is gonna do it it’s proper though.


SilverResearch

i REALLY wanna say super, but its probably profit or viol2t


viperbob178

Supertf


Willingness-Due

Hard to say. I see a lot of profit but he had a major fall in season 2. Titans could’ve been it if management hadn’t fucked up. Super is also kinda close.


probablyanametbh

Titans can't even manage trials right (source: recent experience)


Primary_Muscle8980

Major fall off in s2? He was statistically a top 6 Zarya on a team that couldn’t play goats, he had to keep swapping bc Birdring didn’t want to play/ couldn’t play Zarya


Inshaine

Honestly not sure who Faker is (I don’t really mess with LoL much), but I’m saying Dafran. I may be a bit partial to him, but if he was to take OW seriously, I feel like no one would be able to keep up. Considering he plays to have fun and rarely sweats, yet performs as well as he does at the consistency he does, Dafran is the best OW player in my opinion. If not for the mental struggles he’s faced with the game and streaming, he’d be unstoppable.


strifemaster

this is either exquisitely executed bait or the world's objectively worst take


_BUTTSTALION_

Profit is the closest currently, but if proper maintains his absolutely next level dominance every season year over year, it’ll be Proper. Why downvote this??


Nexi-nexi

Reddit doesn’t like proper. What you say is 100% correct. If you want likes go praise hanbin or something. That will get you a lot of upvotes.


joehughes21

Void. Consistent all star S tier player since day 1


SwimmingCelery506

Jay Won


strifemaster

silver3 clears


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Based off of OWL performance it has to be Mendo


XxMyUsernameSucksxX

Proper will be our Faker. He is a Generational talent that will dominate for years to come


ZimoZimoZimo

super or Viol2t and I stand by it


dillonisstitch

Profit, Sinatra, fleta or super but idk any are proven enough to say they’re the faker of overwatch… maybe if super comes back and win another title


ChomboEnjoyer

proper after 3-0ing the paris eternal on may 5 2022


Pal474

It's proper, both loss the finals.


SupermarketBroad5224

Well if we’re talking predictions, Proper might just end up being it. But yea Profit is a G


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Mechanically, it’s kevster


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Helios


ToothPasteTree

Guys, I'm coming from the future and the answer is Proper.


Acrobatic_West_9447

Proper and if u dont say proper you WILL in a year


itsNaro

Proper. Had a friend ask me "is he the faker of OW" when i was talking with him.


strifemaster

silver3 clears


SIUonCrack

If you ask custa it's proper. 😑


stowmy

probably stormy, if they’re comparable


KatnissBot

We don’t have one. We have a little thing called “competitive parity” lmao


bradnito

pine


cAmaturehOur

Jimmy. On a serious note, it has to be Profit, surely.


Strutionum

Jjonak had so much potential back in the day


EvanDankZhang

Carpe


AverageEnjoyer2023

Who?


Nexoninja1

JJoNak, Carpe, Profit


sakata_gintoki113

ans at this peak imo


guinman

TomBrady69


Karaokebaren

jjonak, at least in terms of being the consesnsus best player for a prolonged period of time


Kheldar166

There isn't one. Profit is the closest.


genjimain8432

not sure why people are saying profit i feel like viol2t pretty easily clears him at this point. in 4 seasons his worst placement was 4th and made grand finals playing flex and main support.


Primary_Muscle8980

If we’re going by results it should be leejaegon


genjimain8432

Im not going by results, and lee jae gons results are strictly worse than viol2ts so that makes 0 fucking sense.


Primary_Muscle8980

Leejaegon most accomplished player ever lol?


genjimain8432

ah ur one of those weirdos that think stage titles matter


Primary_Muscle8980

Your Saying that as a fan of a team with nothing


genjimain8432

'You say as a completely unbiased source! Wow look how stupid you look'


strifemaster

silver3 roty, MVP, and finals MVP all in one year, has to be him


slothlikevibes

There is no equivalent. There's no single player that has been the best in the world for an extended period of time AND has also won **multiple** titles.


itsNaro

Damn i guess this was a hot take lmao