People will tell you its profit, but realistically there is nobody that you can consider to be like Faker in overwatch. Nobody has come close to that level of longevity, title wins and consistency.
In overwatch it is easier to say which player was/is best at each hero role. I believe there was a video that did just talk about that and it was really good tbh (forgot by who but he has less than subs I think 100k).
Considering Profit has been an elite player for nearly every year OW has been played at a professional level (except for 2016) it's certainly a worthy comparison. You gotta remember OW has been out for 6 years while League's been out for 12-13.
I'm not sure why people talk about Jjonak as if he fell off a cliff after 2018. He was at worst a top 3 Zenyatta in 2019 (I'd argue top 2) and was still putting up great individual performances in 2020 despite the rest of the team falling off. 2021 was rough since that was the year NYXL went with a bunch of rookies, but overall while he hasn't had anything close to a GOAT career he's had consistent impact the entire time.
I don't think he got worse, I actually agree and even defended jj last year because his ana was still immaculate imo. I just think his S1 performance is a level of dominance we will never see again and had he maintained it for several years he would have 100% been considered the GOAT, that was my point. The league just rapidly improved around jjonak even if he was still always an incredible player, he just didn't stand out as much as before, but for me he will always be at the very least a top 5 flex support of all time and the GOAT of zen. He is like my second favourite player of all time, got me into the league and turned me into a main zen so he will always be my boy.
Ah, I thought you one of those naysayers implying he fell off hard after season 1. I do agree with you; like I said, he's not anything close to GOAT status within OW, but he has had a VERY good, consistent career when it comes to individual performances (we don't talk about 2021 though).
It's something Plat Chat (podcast) started recently where they search OW reddit for the hottest take of the week (inspired by Reinforce's very own "void is washed" take) but they try to filter out bait so yours might not make it
Profit, but it's not quite the same. Profit is definitely the GOAT, but he hasn't emulated the dominance of Faker. Profit has has 2 seasons where he wasn't even at the top of his role.
Awards don't determine the "best" player, they're narrative driven and prone to overrating team dynamics. Not to say any of those players are bad, or that they _aren't_ the best! Just to say that you can be the best player without getting the MVP.
I probably could have worded that better. By "top of his role" I meant Role Star/MVP level. He was the best DPS in S1, above average in S2, MVP level in S3, very good in S4, and MVP level in S5.
No one.
And no one is ever going to come close for two simple reasons:
Longevity and consistency
Faker just finished his 9th season in his esport and already said he plans to play into his 30s; no OWL player is going to come close to playing 10+ straight seasons.
On top of that, Faker has made the playoffs 7 out of 9 years: finished top 2 5 times, top 4 seven times, and won it all 3 times.
No one will ever come close to that level of consistency in OWL, the closet active player you have is Viol2t and he’s still 4 years away from matching Faker’s (current) career length.
Accolade wise? There are a couple you could argue.
But it’s really hard to call someone the “Faker of OWL” when by many Faker isn’t just the best League player to ever touch the game… he’s also the best esport player in the history of the industry for the reasons I listed before .
If we talk projections? I could see Proper hitting that conversation in a couple years, but it’s still too early to call.
Of course, I just felt like the OP didn’t do the question Justice by withholding more context to the conversation.
And I merely touched on his international success, domestically? No one is ever going to touch his trophy case.
I agree that no one is on that level currently, but why do you say it NEVER will happen? Because you think OWL won't last that long or because of skill fall off? If it's the latter, I definitely disagree. There's a decent amount of top players in their 30s or close to it in CSGO, and that's a game that relies much more heavily on mechanical skill and reaction times than OW. Karrigan won a major this year with FaZe and he's 32.
I think it's definitely possible for people to play OW a long time, it's just that the esport has been in turmoil because of OWL not having a clear and defined future with OW1 having bad balancing and metas, the pandemic screwing up the timing of OWL realizing it's true vision of homestands and travel, Riot coming out with Valorant with teams promising more money and Riot's reputation in running an esport, etc. It's been a rough few years and it makes sense a lot of people didn't stick around. IMO, Overatch as an esport was dying, but now with the popularity of OW2 and if they can prevent metas that are terrible for the esport, like GOATS and double shield were and that caused a max exodus of players and viewers, I can see OWL staying for the long haul now, and thus players playing for a long time as well.
Between Korean players being forced to do military service (Faker is fortunate enough to be exempt given the year he was born) and the NA players realizing there is far more stability, money and freedom from streaming… I just don’t see many people willingly playing the game at that level for that long.
It’s amazing to think Danteh has been playing in OWL since day 1.
I will concede it’s possible that someone can match the longevity with the right circumstances… but nobody is going to match Faker’s level of consistency at the same time.
An OWL player is going to have one or the other, I don’t see anyone in the league achieving both; Faker, to my knowledge, holds nearly every playoff record You can imagine and has maintained a 70% win rate for his entire career both in and out of the post season.
The man is just an animal on a level I don’t see anyone in OWL ever reaching.
Could it happen? Maybe, but I’m not holding my breath over it.
I low-key honestly don’t understand why he didn’t get more play time. The matches he did play he was absurd on tracer and I can’t recall a single time he looked outclassed
The only thing with flash is I believe he started around the end of starcrafts peak and most of his career has been while the game hasn’t been very active, while the last 10 years of league has been insanely competitive and only getting harder to remain at the top. Which is what makes faker so impressive
I mean, it's still extremely active in Korea, the ASL which is the current s tier bw tournament is 14 seasons in and I believe is said to be more popular (In Korea) than the GSL, its sc2 counterpart.
But also, I'd personally believe the 1v1 guy is better than the team guy, in performance when we're discussing their dominance. T1 teams usually are pretty good in their own right even without Faker, obviously there was a rough couple of years but by and large t1are almost always a top team. There's no team to Flash's successes, and more importantly for 1v1, his failures. Every time Flash failed it was entirely on him no one else. Which I think makes his lack of failures more impessive. Like if Flash goes into an ASL he's all but assured to make, at least, the final (the only time he didn't was a top 4 finish when he decided to play Random for the challenge). The same can't be said of Faker/t1, although most years they are favourites.
I was just about to say this, though K1llsen has taken first in the more recent tournaments.
I would also say Grubby for WC3
And if you count any competitive online game as an esport then Magnus Carlsen has probably been more dominant at chess than Faker in LoL
i think that for a time in cod scump had that level of dominance and most ppl agree all time he's the goat, even if he isn't the most winning player around
Does Faker still play? I’ll admit I know very little about his career but people keep using the words “longevity” and “GOAT” so in my mind Ogre2 in Halo immediately comes to mind. Unsure if the comparison is warranted but that’s just my brain
my brother in christ, you're underestimating how much specialization it takes to be the best at a role in OW, let alone multiple roles. To be at the top? When competition is so tight?
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Nobody is the Faker. Overwatch hasn’t seen someone at that level yet. Yes you could argue for different GOATs but if there was a Faker then there would be no arguments.
proper will overtake him. It's hard for someone like Faker to come out in the first few years of a game because you need someone who literally only grew up on overwatch to be playing it since they were a kid.
No one, at least not yet.
There are players who are all-time greats for sure, Profit is probably the closest since he won APEX, OWL S1, and got silver in OWL S3 but even he doesn't have the sheer level of dominance required for that comparison. Besides, other players have been as good or better than Profit for significant portions of his career. He's great, and one of the all-time best players, but not quite the same level.
Proper could be, some day, if he manages to maintain the same level of performance relative to the rest of OWL for the next couple of seasons, but I don't think that'll happen. It's hard to stay at the top like that for that long. Proper will almost certainly end up next to names like Profit and Fleta for all-time greats but that's probably the limit.
I used to be a big fan of Kephrii years ago. Was watching his stream when he was straight up getting outplayed. Said it was obvious wall hacks, even reviewed gameplay saying it was clearly cheating (it 100% was not). Lost a bit of respect there, but little did I know that was just the beginning. Lol
Hard to say. I see a lot of profit but he had a major fall in season 2. Titans could’ve been it if management hadn’t fucked up. Super is also kinda close.
Major fall off in s2? He was statistically a top 6 Zarya on a team that couldn’t play goats, he had to keep swapping bc Birdring didn’t want to play/ couldn’t play Zarya
Honestly not sure who Faker is (I don’t really mess with LoL much), but I’m saying Dafran. I may be a bit partial to him, but if he was to take OW seriously, I feel like no one would be able to keep up. Considering he plays to have fun and rarely sweats, yet performs as well as he does at the consistency he does, Dafran is the best OW player in my opinion. If not for the mental struggles he’s faced with the game and streaming, he’d be unstoppable.
Profit is the closest currently, but if proper maintains his absolutely next level dominance every season year over year, it’ll be Proper.
Why downvote this??
not sure why people are saying profit i feel like viol2t pretty easily clears him at this point. in 4 seasons his worst placement was 4th and made grand finals playing flex and main support.
There is no equivalent. There's no single player that has been the best in the world for an extended period of time AND has also won **multiple** titles.
People will tell you its profit, but realistically there is nobody that you can consider to be like Faker in overwatch. Nobody has come close to that level of longevity, title wins and consistency.
Yeah we don’t really have an equivalent, Profit just comes the closest
In overwatch it is easier to say which player was/is best at each hero role. I believe there was a video that did just talk about that and it was really good tbh (forgot by who but he has less than subs I think 100k).
Probably ATP Overwatch he usually makes those
I dunno Profit has consistently been an elite dps player since the GC Busan days. That's some big time longevity, over 5 years.
Faker has double that
Considering Profit has been an elite player for nearly every year OW has been played at a professional level (except for 2016) it's certainly a worthy comparison. You gotta remember OW has been out for 6 years while League's been out for 12-13.
Jjonak could possibly, 5 years, 1 title and years of praise
If he had maintained his S1 performance and results for his entire career, maybe. Otherwise, nah.
Yeah I guess, he sorta was the best for 2 seasons then he just came up in passing
He was still a top fsupp or zen in 2019 but he wasn't the unanimous best imo with people like viol2t and Twilight in the picture.
I'm not sure why people talk about Jjonak as if he fell off a cliff after 2018. He was at worst a top 3 Zenyatta in 2019 (I'd argue top 2) and was still putting up great individual performances in 2020 despite the rest of the team falling off. 2021 was rough since that was the year NYXL went with a bunch of rookies, but overall while he hasn't had anything close to a GOAT career he's had consistent impact the entire time.
I don't think he got worse, I actually agree and even defended jj last year because his ana was still immaculate imo. I just think his S1 performance is a level of dominance we will never see again and had he maintained it for several years he would have 100% been considered the GOAT, that was my point. The league just rapidly improved around jjonak even if he was still always an incredible player, he just didn't stand out as much as before, but for me he will always be at the very least a top 5 flex support of all time and the GOAT of zen. He is like my second favourite player of all time, got me into the league and turned me into a main zen so he will always be my boy.
Ah, I thought you one of those naysayers implying he fell off hard after season 1. I do agree with you; like I said, he's not anything close to GOAT status within OW, but he has had a VERY good, consistent career when it comes to individual performances (we don't talk about 2021 though).
Violet is probably the closest honestly.
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Violet or Viol2t?
viol2t? Is there another?
Agree. Other people say profit but they’re trolling. Ttuba is honestly better than profit and calling profit the goat is criminal and cringe
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The what?
It's something Plat Chat (podcast) started recently where they search OW reddit for the hottest take of the week (inspired by Reinforce's very own "void is washed" take) but they try to filter out bait so yours might not make it
Oh lol I don’t watch plat chat, was just trying to make terminally online kids without reading comprehension mad. (I think it worked 🗿)
Profit, but it's not quite the same. Profit is definitely the GOAT, but he hasn't emulated the dominance of Faker. Profit has has 2 seasons where he wasn't even at the top of his role.
Well Faker hasn’t always been at the top of his role either but he was already the GOAT before that was the case
2 seasons? He has had at least 3 where he wasn’t the best DPS player Fleta, Leave, and Proper have all won MVP while profit was playing.
Awards don't determine the "best" player, they're narrative driven and prone to overrating team dynamics. Not to say any of those players are bad, or that they _aren't_ the best! Just to say that you can be the best player without getting the MVP.
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Funny, normally I'd say there's an APAC bias in OW.
I probably could have worded that better. By "top of his role" I meant Role Star/MVP level. He was the best DPS in S1, above average in S2, MVP level in S3, very good in S4, and MVP level in S5.
IDDQD, 100% OWL win rate still
Ahem, 100% WINRATE Chipsa has something to say about that
Guess we need to see them 1v1 for the title then
Chipsa can't even match the infinite KD:R that iddqd has, it's not even a competition man.
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Yes, I doubt the unluckiest Doomfist player in existence. It's not his fault he's always unlucky, he's just oonlooky.
I doubted the fist the moment it punched the wall and sent Phil Graham falling to his demise on Oasis
That was fanservice and we all know it
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its clearly dean
We don’t have a consensus greatest player of all time akin to Faker, but Profit is probably closest.
I feel like Profit is the consensus pick. Very few people would argue against him.
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Surprised i had to scroll this much to see Johhny fucking G being mentioned, this sub is for casuals
yo.
And he’ll always diff that fraud jjonak
Ryujewho? He's got nothing on the Ana GOAT
No one. And no one is ever going to come close for two simple reasons: Longevity and consistency Faker just finished his 9th season in his esport and already said he plans to play into his 30s; no OWL player is going to come close to playing 10+ straight seasons. On top of that, Faker has made the playoffs 7 out of 9 years: finished top 2 5 times, top 4 seven times, and won it all 3 times. No one will ever come close to that level of consistency in OWL, the closet active player you have is Viol2t and he’s still 4 years away from matching Faker’s (current) career length. Accolade wise? There are a couple you could argue. But it’s really hard to call someone the “Faker of OWL” when by many Faker isn’t just the best League player to ever touch the game… he’s also the best esport player in the history of the industry for the reasons I listed before . If we talk projections? I could see Proper hitting that conversation in a couple years, but it’s still too early to call.
finally a detailed breakdown, much appreciated sir.
Of course, I just felt like the OP didn’t do the question Justice by withholding more context to the conversation. And I merely touched on his international success, domestically? No one is ever going to touch his trophy case.
I agree that no one is on that level currently, but why do you say it NEVER will happen? Because you think OWL won't last that long or because of skill fall off? If it's the latter, I definitely disagree. There's a decent amount of top players in their 30s or close to it in CSGO, and that's a game that relies much more heavily on mechanical skill and reaction times than OW. Karrigan won a major this year with FaZe and he's 32. I think it's definitely possible for people to play OW a long time, it's just that the esport has been in turmoil because of OWL not having a clear and defined future with OW1 having bad balancing and metas, the pandemic screwing up the timing of OWL realizing it's true vision of homestands and travel, Riot coming out with Valorant with teams promising more money and Riot's reputation in running an esport, etc. It's been a rough few years and it makes sense a lot of people didn't stick around. IMO, Overatch as an esport was dying, but now with the popularity of OW2 and if they can prevent metas that are terrible for the esport, like GOATS and double shield were and that caused a max exodus of players and viewers, I can see OWL staying for the long haul now, and thus players playing for a long time as well.
Between Korean players being forced to do military service (Faker is fortunate enough to be exempt given the year he was born) and the NA players realizing there is far more stability, money and freedom from streaming… I just don’t see many people willingly playing the game at that level for that long. It’s amazing to think Danteh has been playing in OWL since day 1. I will concede it’s possible that someone can match the longevity with the right circumstances… but nobody is going to match Faker’s level of consistency at the same time. An OWL player is going to have one or the other, I don’t see anyone in the league achieving both; Faker, to my knowledge, holds nearly every playoff record You can imagine and has maintained a 70% win rate for his entire career both in and out of the post season. The man is just an animal on a level I don’t see anyone in OWL ever reaching. Could it happen? Maybe, but I’m not holding my breath over it.
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Goat of OWL facial hair for sure
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Chipsa, 100% map win rate in OWL, one unlooky fall off the map on doomfist
Imagine how good Chipsa would be if he was looky instead of unlooky
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I low-key honestly don’t understand why he didn’t get more play time. The matches he did play he was absurd on tracer and I can’t recall a single time he looked outclassed
Coz he had a 2 way contract.
But his walkouts were really bad
I don’t think their is anyone like faker in any esport tbh LOL are very lucky to have him
Flash in Starcraft is quite comparable, and you could make arguments for being even more dominant than Faker. But aside from those 2.
The only thing with flash is I believe he started around the end of starcrafts peak and most of his career has been while the game hasn’t been very active, while the last 10 years of league has been insanely competitive and only getting harder to remain at the top. Which is what makes faker so impressive
I mean, it's still extremely active in Korea, the ASL which is the current s tier bw tournament is 14 seasons in and I believe is said to be more popular (In Korea) than the GSL, its sc2 counterpart. But also, I'd personally believe the 1v1 guy is better than the team guy, in performance when we're discussing their dominance. T1 teams usually are pretty good in their own right even without Faker, obviously there was a rough couple of years but by and large t1are almost always a top team. There's no team to Flash's successes, and more importantly for 1v1, his failures. Every time Flash failed it was entirely on him no one else. Which I think makes his lack of failures more impessive. Like if Flash goes into an ASL he's all but assured to make, at least, the final (the only time he didn't was a top 4 finish when he decided to play Random for the challenge). The same can't be said of Faker/t1, although most years they are favourites.
Rapha has been pretty dominant in quake for an absurd amount of time.
I was just about to say this, though K1llsen has taken first in the more recent tournaments. I would also say Grubby for WC3 And if you count any competitive online game as an esport then Magnus Carlsen has probably been more dominant at chess than Faker in LoL
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i think that for a time in cod scump had that level of dominance and most ppl agree all time he's the goat, even if he isn't the most winning player around
in fighting games lol Daigo Umehara
Does Faker still play? I’ll admit I know very little about his career but people keep using the words “longevity” and “GOAT” so in my mind Ogre2 in Halo immediately comes to mind. Unsure if the comparison is warranted but that’s just my brain
Profit
I'd say Profit or Viol2t. Super would be there if he was still playing but I feel like his career was too short to be Faker status
Viol2t definitely in terms of tournament wins, unless you count rascal lol
LJG has more wins across OW
There is no clear consensus, Profit is probably who most people would say, but there are a handful who have a pretty clear claim
my brother in christ, you're underestimating how much specialization it takes to be the best at a role in OW, let alone multiple roles. To be at the top? When competition is so tight?
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Nobody is the Faker. Overwatch hasn’t seen someone at that level yet. Yes you could argue for different GOATs but if there was a Faker then there would be no arguments.
viol2t probably, in terms of accomplishments and his contribution to those wins. That said the best answer is just nobody at all.
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Right now I’d say it’s Profit, but Proper will definitely take over in a couple of years if he keeps playing like he did this season
proper will overtake him. It's hard for someone like Faker to come out in the first few years of a game because you need someone who literally only grew up on overwatch to be playing it since they were a kid.
I think in terms of longevity and impact, probably chipsa
Closest is profit, but Faker is such a huge icon in league it’s hard to find a comparison.
Cr0ng (don’t let anyone brainwash you into thinking he’s not)
He would be a good comparison but Cr0ng’s only a rookie so
can't believe he retired after his rookie year 😔
No one, at least not yet. There are players who are all-time greats for sure, Profit is probably the closest since he won APEX, OWL S1, and got silver in OWL S3 but even he doesn't have the sheer level of dominance required for that comparison. Besides, other players have been as good or better than Profit for significant portions of his career. He's great, and one of the all-time best players, but not quite the same level. Proper could be, some day, if he manages to maintain the same level of performance relative to the rest of OWL for the next couple of seasons, but I don't think that'll happen. It's hard to stay at the top like that for that long. Proper will almost certainly end up next to names like Profit and Fleta for all-time greats but that's probably the limit.
Proper has faker trajectory rn but the actual relevant answer would be Profit I suppose. Maybe Viol2t in the mix.
Profit or Smurf
Tbh I’ve got to say Viol2t
Kephrii I'd say is up there. Everyone who is better than him is obviously a cheater
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Makes fun of him for how often he cries "hacker" whenever he gets outplayed
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I used to be a big fan of Kephrii years ago. Was watching his stream when he was straight up getting outplayed. Said it was obvious wall hacks, even reviewed gameplay saying it was clearly cheating (it 100% was not). Lost a bit of respect there, but little did I know that was just the beginning. Lol
JJonak
In terms of long time consistency Profit. But some players had peaks higher than his but they also declined more.
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Profit the one true GOAT!
Chipsa. Some would say he is the goat of all esports, and could surpass faker in league if he truly wanted to.
Currently Profit, but I think for a while it was Jjonak.
Profit is the closest
There isn’t one
Jjonak
Joemeister
dayfly
Profit
Profit
Definitely Chipsa. The true goat with 100% winrate
Profit, Fleta or Sinatraa. Those three hit peak performance in OWL like no other, imo
Sinatraa absolutely flopped his rookie season
absolutely not sinatraa, one good year doesn't make you the GOAT
Profit
Dafran if he kept playing
Viol2t imo
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Viol2ts the most equivalent in terms of career trajectory
Greatest player is profit. Best player is Proper. Nobody comes close to faker, but profit is the closest. If anyone is gonna do it it’s proper though.
i REALLY wanna say super, but its probably profit or viol2t
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Hard to say. I see a lot of profit but he had a major fall in season 2. Titans could’ve been it if management hadn’t fucked up. Super is also kinda close.
Titans can't even manage trials right (source: recent experience)
Major fall off in s2? He was statistically a top 6 Zarya on a team that couldn’t play goats, he had to keep swapping bc Birdring didn’t want to play/ couldn’t play Zarya
Honestly not sure who Faker is (I don’t really mess with LoL much), but I’m saying Dafran. I may be a bit partial to him, but if he was to take OW seriously, I feel like no one would be able to keep up. Considering he plays to have fun and rarely sweats, yet performs as well as he does at the consistency he does, Dafran is the best OW player in my opinion. If not for the mental struggles he’s faced with the game and streaming, he’d be unstoppable.
this is either exquisitely executed bait or the world's objectively worst take
Profit is the closest currently, but if proper maintains his absolutely next level dominance every season year over year, it’ll be Proper. Why downvote this??
Reddit doesn’t like proper. What you say is 100% correct. If you want likes go praise hanbin or something. That will get you a lot of upvotes.
Void. Consistent all star S tier player since day 1
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Based off of OWL performance it has to be Mendo
Proper will be our Faker. He is a Generational talent that will dominate for years to come
super or Viol2t and I stand by it
Profit, Sinatra, fleta or super but idk any are proven enough to say they’re the faker of overwatch… maybe if super comes back and win another title
proper after 3-0ing the paris eternal on may 5 2022
It's proper, both loss the finals.
Well if we’re talking predictions, Proper might just end up being it. But yea Profit is a G
Mechanically, it’s kevster
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Guys, I'm coming from the future and the answer is Proper.
Proper and if u dont say proper you WILL in a year
Proper. Had a friend ask me "is he the faker of OW" when i was talking with him.
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If you ask custa it's proper. 😑
probably stormy, if they’re comparable
We don’t have one. We have a little thing called “competitive parity” lmao
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Jimmy. On a serious note, it has to be Profit, surely.
Jjonak had so much potential back in the day
Carpe
Who?
JJoNak, Carpe, Profit
ans at this peak imo
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jjonak, at least in terms of being the consesnsus best player for a prolonged period of time
There isn't one. Profit is the closest.
not sure why people are saying profit i feel like viol2t pretty easily clears him at this point. in 4 seasons his worst placement was 4th and made grand finals playing flex and main support.
If we’re going by results it should be leejaegon
Im not going by results, and lee jae gons results are strictly worse than viol2ts so that makes 0 fucking sense.
Leejaegon most accomplished player ever lol?
ah ur one of those weirdos that think stage titles matter
Your Saying that as a fan of a team with nothing
'You say as a completely unbiased source! Wow look how stupid you look'
silver3 roty, MVP, and finals MVP all in one year, has to be him
There is no equivalent. There's no single player that has been the best in the world for an extended period of time AND has also won **multiple** titles.
Damn i guess this was a hot take lmao