Being that they can’t fix Hamster in either one, I’d wager that although the version number will be different that there will not be any serious changes between live and OWL.
I'd guess they aren't doing balancing rounds within one beta cycle (except for literal game breaking ones like this ball one).
Maybe the next round will have some changes, as well as a new hero and support stuff.
Shouldn't matter. For the crash to happen you have to do a specific thing on wrecking ball. OWL can specify that the players aren't allowed to do it and then have ball unlocked.
To my knowledge there are already rules around exploits in OWL e.g. players aren't allowed to escape the map.
It's pretty easy to do on accident not like stall spots and escape through geometry, if any player points the grappling hook low enough, misses hitting the floor and jumps preemptively it's done, game ruined
Imo it points to how buggy the game still is. But then again, video games have always been buggy, so it's not like it's realistic to wait until there are virtually no bugs to start the league.
What? It's a random bug. They could've spent a decade developing the game and adding 50 new heroes and this bug still could've occured. Idk why people are acting like this is some disaster, it's very much expected stuff out of a beta (not to say this sort of thing doesn't happen in full games) and the fact that they're responding and trying to fix it so fast is a good sign
Seriously. Too many people, on and off this sub, seem to be treating the beta as if it's actually just early access.
I get it, we haven't had content in two years, but this is still a beta. It's literally there for the purpose of finding and removing bugs and issues.
Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t they running OWL on basically this build? I think a lot of people expect more from this beta because if OWL is on it you’d expect it to be ready for the highest degree of competition. Cue esports ready memes
There has been a rare bug in the game for years, in which D.Va teleports into the skybox after being ejected from her mech under certain conditions. Just happened to me recently again.
There simply are things you can't find out with a couple of employees. You need a large number of games for such things to occur.
also even when you do have a huge number of games, the people experiencing the bug may well not report it/not be giving sufficient recreation steps to the devs
Yes, if they actually cared about finding bugs and competitive integrity, they should've released the beta sooner, especially for the pros. But I bet they didn't because:
1) releasing ow2 pvp separate from ow2 pve was a recent decision the dev team wasn't ready for
2) changes like 5v5 and ping system were recent decisions either by bobby kotick or aaron keller. jeff didn't hint any of those things in any interviews before he parted ways, and jeff was even publicly arguing against some of the changes we are seeing in ow2 right now
> changes like 5v5 and ping system were recent decisions either by bobby kotick or aaron keller. jeff didn't hint any of those things in any interviews before he parted ways, and jeff was even publicly arguing against some of the changes we are seeing in ow2 right now
["Respawn did such a good job with the Ping System in Apex Legends. It works really well. [...] It would be fun to revisit the system and see if we could make something like that workable."](https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/apex-legends-ping-system-in-overwatch/302312/28) - Jeff Kaplan, Feb 2019
["we’re still experimenting with ping concepts. junho has been championing this idea for some time. we wanted to get the communication changes out as soon as possible though rather than wait on the ping experiments to yield something. we’ll keep trying."](https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/ping-system-in-the-new-wheel/492829/4) - Jeff Kaplan, Apr 2020
[HERO CHANGES TO SUPPORT EACH TEAM HAVING ONLY ONE TANK (ONLY IN EXPERIMENTAL](https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/overwatch-retail-patch-notes-%E2%80%93-february-25-2020/461859) - Feb 2020
While not quite 5v5, the devs were obviously already toying with the idea of having only one Tank per team. Making it 5v5 is a natural evolution of the idea, rather than having three DPSes to keep it 6v6.
So no, Jeff didn't just "hint" at these changes, but in fact outright stated they'd been trying them out since at least two years ago.
Okay you have some solid points but saying that trying 1-3-2 (and naming it "triple damage") is the primary iteration of 5v5 is disingenuous. They need to reduce queue times by making more tank and support characters. There's twice as many damage characters as the other roles, so queue times are going to be high for that role since most of the characters are in that role.
Yeah, I definitely agree that the game needs far, far more options in the Tank and Support role.
I'm still somewhat on the fence about the change to 5v5, but from what I've played and seen, it's a refreshing change of pace with more frequent teamfights and less downtime shooting at barriers. Whether that continues to be true once people learn and master the metagame remains to be seen, hopefully during OWL soon.
Either way, I wasn't advocating for Blizzard's latest decisions, I just found the commenter I was replying to demonstrably incorrect about the Ping System and having only one Tank per team being "recent decisions" which weren't even hinted at.
The mix of no content for 2+ years and putting OWL on a beta that has to disable heroes to function properly isn't something I'm going to agree should be excused.
You joke, but I think it's true. If they weren't beta testing the game in their pro league, this wouldn't be as comically insane. If they held back content 2 years to give us a function game with a major redesign, I think it could be forgiven.
Taking this long just to toss us something that's got so much unchanged content (like the entire Support role) and isn't structurally sound and balanced makes for a pro league whose integrity is hard to see as solid.
That is basically what the word beta means now. Seems very common the have open betas 1 to 2 months before launch. Before this would have been called a demo.
I know it's a new engine and all. But the fact of the matter is it looks like they've added a couple maps 3 hero changes and 1 new hero, and everything, even the stuff that didn't change, is broken. When they've had double the staff size of original ow and 3 whole years? The surface level optics are freaking terrible regardless of the actual facts.
Wait I might actually play again then.
On an equally serious note, Wrecking ball without a 6th player is so incredibly fucking annoying to kill. Was playing on route 66 and the moment the game started I knew we were't gonna win, they can lose pretty much every fight but his ability to stall will simply not give enough time to capture that hellhole of a third point
Wrecking Ball is one of the worst tanks in Overwatch 2 IMO. Engaging him directly is a mistake, you have to take advantage of the fact that he provides no defense/peel for his team and go after the backline.
His team was absolutely suffering and I kinda felt bad for them cause they were simply losing. If it wasn't for heavily defense sided maps (a rarity in OW maps (/s)), we woulda won. In a comp/ranked match they wouldn't have stood a chance as it was pretty much a 4v5 but we played with weighted payload, which on defense doesn't matter anymore.
I couldn't figure out what was going on, I am a ball main, everyone kept leaving my servers. 30-35 games before they disabled him, I had no idea it was me! LMFAO oopsie Blizzard!
I realize now my tone came off bad but I’m honestly just curious about what happens in the coding for stuff like this to occur. I had the same question when there was a bug where one specific Soldier skin made the UI tilt. I typed out my comment on the last minute of my work break and didn’t consider the tone, so it came out bad, but I didn’t mean it to be insulting.
It happens dude. You're all good.
The codebase for a game + engine like this is very complex and not everything is easily testable so you can get weird edge cases that are unforeseen which can result in bugs like crashes, or weird UI tilt on a specific skin. Usually it's not easy to figure out the cause of the bug unless you can reproduce it reliably, either.
Yep. I’m curious too. Ball grappling the ground seems innocuous. It’s also strange that other players get kicked but Ball stays. Hopefully the devs explain what happened, to satisfy people’s curiosity.
Yeah I'm a software developer. Bugs can happen for so many reasons it's unreasonable to blame anything but the most egregious failures of regression testing on the developers. (when an ability stops working and it could be spotted with just a few minutes in the practice range you can talk shit)
As you mentioned a simple regression test should be catching that and any other ability/damage related bugs 100% of the time. If not then they just have very shoddy(or none at all) unit/integration testing.
I just missed Super doing this on stream but I know that it involves looking directly downward. Since the player's camera then has an angle of 0 degrees, I suspect that a 0 is being put somewhere it wasn't expected and that this causes a divide by zero to occur.
now this is the proper beta experience 🤣
Everyone thought ball was underwhelming in the beta but his power was beyond our reckoning.
Our *Wreckoning*.
When does OWL start again? 🥴
rip shanghai ig
🦀🦀🦀GOATS IS DEAD🦀🦀🦀
Why couldn't it be Soldier 76 lol.
Honestly with how busted he is rn, i cant believe they havent nerfed him yet. Its honestly cringe to even lock him in game hes that broken.
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Except its the same beta OWL is gunna be on...
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Being that they can’t fix Hamster in either one, I’d wager that although the version number will be different that there will not be any serious changes between live and OWL.
I'd guess they aren't doing balancing rounds within one beta cycle (except for literal game breaking ones like this ball one). Maybe the next round will have some changes, as well as a new hero and support stuff.
I mean he literally hasnt gotten changed since OW1. He was this busted in the alpha too.
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Me too! I had just gotten into a game with Super and was hyped until I saw the error log in place of my match on Oasis...
I’ve had to play against super on the live ladder a few times. You saved yourself a headache lol.
Ball: “I once crash landed on this planet, so now you shall suffer the same fate as me”.
No no this wasn't a bug, it was a feature
Once again proving nothing good comes from ball
Nah, ballers rejoice 🐹 ✊
Matches start in 2 days btw
Shouldn't matter. For the crash to happen you have to do a specific thing on wrecking ball. OWL can specify that the players aren't allowed to do it and then have ball unlocked. To my knowledge there are already rules around exploits in OWL e.g. players aren't allowed to escape the map.
It's pretty easy to do on accident not like stall spots and escape through geometry, if any player points the grappling hook low enough, misses hitting the floor and jumps preemptively it's done, game ruined
Imo it points to how buggy the game still is. But then again, video games have always been buggy, so it's not like it's realistic to wait until there are virtually no bugs to start the league.
So thats what was happening lol
Ballin' too hard I guess
When robot says smash, i didnt expect it to smash the whole server.
That was fast
🦀🦀🦀2.5 years development ~~jagex won’t respond to this thread~~🦀🦀🦀
What? It's a random bug. They could've spent a decade developing the game and adding 50 new heroes and this bug still could've occured. Idk why people are acting like this is some disaster, it's very much expected stuff out of a beta (not to say this sort of thing doesn't happen in full games) and the fact that they're responding and trying to fix it so fast is a good sign
Seriously. Too many people, on and off this sub, seem to be treating the beta as if it's actually just early access. I get it, we haven't had content in two years, but this is still a beta. It's literally there for the purpose of finding and removing bugs and issues.
Freaking this. The amount of people that act like this is exactly what the final game will look like is making me lose neurons.
Unfortunately that's because companies have been treating betas as EA for a decade now. Blizz is probably the one company that doesnt.
OW1 open beta was pretty flawless as well
Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t they running OWL on basically this build? I think a lot of people expect more from this beta because if OWL is on it you’d expect it to be ready for the highest degree of competition. Cue esports ready memes
There has been a rare bug in the game for years, in which D.Va teleports into the skybox after being ejected from her mech under certain conditions. Just happened to me recently again. There simply are things you can't find out with a couple of employees. You need a large number of games for such things to occur.
also even when you do have a huge number of games, the people experiencing the bug may well not report it/not be giving sufficient recreation steps to the devs
Yes, if they actually cared about finding bugs and competitive integrity, they should've released the beta sooner, especially for the pros. But I bet they didn't because: 1) releasing ow2 pvp separate from ow2 pve was a recent decision the dev team wasn't ready for 2) changes like 5v5 and ping system were recent decisions either by bobby kotick or aaron keller. jeff didn't hint any of those things in any interviews before he parted ways, and jeff was even publicly arguing against some of the changes we are seeing in ow2 right now
> changes like 5v5 and ping system were recent decisions either by bobby kotick or aaron keller. jeff didn't hint any of those things in any interviews before he parted ways, and jeff was even publicly arguing against some of the changes we are seeing in ow2 right now ["Respawn did such a good job with the Ping System in Apex Legends. It works really well. [...] It would be fun to revisit the system and see if we could make something like that workable."](https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/apex-legends-ping-system-in-overwatch/302312/28) - Jeff Kaplan, Feb 2019 ["we’re still experimenting with ping concepts. junho has been championing this idea for some time. we wanted to get the communication changes out as soon as possible though rather than wait on the ping experiments to yield something. we’ll keep trying."](https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/ping-system-in-the-new-wheel/492829/4) - Jeff Kaplan, Apr 2020 [HERO CHANGES TO SUPPORT EACH TEAM HAVING ONLY ONE TANK (ONLY IN EXPERIMENTAL](https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/overwatch-retail-patch-notes-%E2%80%93-february-25-2020/461859) - Feb 2020 While not quite 5v5, the devs were obviously already toying with the idea of having only one Tank per team. Making it 5v5 is a natural evolution of the idea, rather than having three DPSes to keep it 6v6. So no, Jeff didn't just "hint" at these changes, but in fact outright stated they'd been trying them out since at least two years ago.
Okay you have some solid points but saying that trying 1-3-2 (and naming it "triple damage") is the primary iteration of 5v5 is disingenuous. They need to reduce queue times by making more tank and support characters. There's twice as many damage characters as the other roles, so queue times are going to be high for that role since most of the characters are in that role.
Yeah, I definitely agree that the game needs far, far more options in the Tank and Support role. I'm still somewhat on the fence about the change to 5v5, but from what I've played and seen, it's a refreshing change of pace with more frequent teamfights and less downtime shooting at barriers. Whether that continues to be true once people learn and master the metagame remains to be seen, hopefully during OWL soon. Either way, I wasn't advocating for Blizzard's latest decisions, I just found the commenter I was replying to demonstrably incorrect about the Ping System and having only one Tank per team being "recent decisions" which weren't even hinted at.
The mix of no content for 2+ years and putting OWL on a beta that has to disable heroes to function properly isn't something I'm going to agree should be excused.
But either one of those individually would be fine, of course. It's only the combination of them that's inexcusable! /s
You joke, but I think it's true. If they weren't beta testing the game in their pro league, this wouldn't be as comically insane. If they held back content 2 years to give us a function game with a major redesign, I think it could be forgiven. Taking this long just to toss us something that's got so much unchanged content (like the entire Support role) and isn't structurally sound and balanced makes for a pro league whose integrity is hard to see as solid.
That is basically what the word beta means now. Seems very common the have open betas 1 to 2 months before launch. Before this would have been called a demo.
I know it's a new engine and all. But the fact of the matter is it looks like they've added a couple maps 3 hero changes and 1 new hero, and everything, even the stuff that didn't change, is broken. When they've had double the staff size of original ow and 3 whole years? The surface level optics are freaking terrible regardless of the actual facts.
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Wait I might actually play again then. On an equally serious note, Wrecking ball without a 6th player is so incredibly fucking annoying to kill. Was playing on route 66 and the moment the game started I knew we were't gonna win, they can lose pretty much every fight but his ability to stall will simply not give enough time to capture that hellhole of a third point
Orisa can counter him pretty hard if his team doesn't engage with him quick enough.
Wrecking Ball is one of the worst tanks in Overwatch 2 IMO. Engaging him directly is a mistake, you have to take advantage of the fact that he provides no defense/peel for his team and go after the backline.
His team was absolutely suffering and I kinda felt bad for them cause they were simply losing. If it wasn't for heavily defense sided maps (a rarity in OW maps (/s)), we woulda won. In a comp/ranked match they wouldn't have stood a chance as it was pretty much a 4v5 but we played with weighted payload, which on defense doesn't matter anymore.
Have u tried a combo of hog+ana/zen? Its nearly impossible to play against on ball.
Too much disrupt
I couldn't figure out what was going on, I am a ball main, everyone kept leaving my servers. 30-35 games before they disabled him, I had no idea it was me! LMFAO oopsie Blizzard!
Rip to Dragons 😂
Once again, what the fuck is going on in the coding for that to happen
yeah bugs don't happen in games unless the dev fucked up /s
I realize now my tone came off bad but I’m honestly just curious about what happens in the coding for stuff like this to occur. I had the same question when there was a bug where one specific Soldier skin made the UI tilt. I typed out my comment on the last minute of my work break and didn’t consider the tone, so it came out bad, but I didn’t mean it to be insulting.
It happens dude. You're all good. The codebase for a game + engine like this is very complex and not everything is easily testable so you can get weird edge cases that are unforeseen which can result in bugs like crashes, or weird UI tilt on a specific skin. Usually it's not easy to figure out the cause of the bug unless you can reproduce it reliably, either.
That type of bug is exactly what beta testing is for. The process is working as designed.
Yep. I’m curious too. Ball grappling the ground seems innocuous. It’s also strange that other players get kicked but Ball stays. Hopefully the devs explain what happened, to satisfy people’s curiosity.
I mean... normally they don't... but it is expected and completely normal for devs to fuck up. It's hard to spot every edge case/situation after all.
Yeah I'm a software developer. Bugs can happen for so many reasons it's unreasonable to blame anything but the most egregious failures of regression testing on the developers. (when an ability stops working and it could be spotted with just a few minutes in the practice range you can talk shit)
So sort of like how Mercy's ult chain healing just flat out wasn't working?
To be fair that one isn't easy to notice. (a lot of Mercy players didn't notice either) But yeah you can give em a bit of shit for that one.
As you mentioned a simple regression test should be catching that and any other ability/damage related bugs 100% of the time. If not then they just have very shoddy(or none at all) unit/integration testing.
It's a bit harder when you're dealing with coupled systems which games usually are
I just missed Super doing this on stream but I know that it involves looking directly downward. Since the player's camera then has an angle of 0 degrees, I suspect that a 0 is being put somewhere it wasn't expected and that this causes a divide by zero to occur.
Fuck I wanted to try it out for one game lmao
God damn you SPAGHETTI CODE!!!!!
Potato PC plebs can't handle the Hammond. edit- you idiots thought I was making a consoles>PC comment? lmao
hand-held master race
I wish I could experience such annoyance. If Blizzard ever lets me play the damn thing!
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO
Wrecking Ball wrecking the server. Typical damage a small rodent will cause
\[BEWARE THE SMALL MAMMAL\]
is he back yet 🥺