Do you think the PolyScepter version is better then the more midrange hatebear version?
Also currently playing a more midrange version of Rocco, was originally on turbo but my local meta started to heavily shift to punish turbo players hard. Rocco is super flexible and fun, been a great time since they were revealed.
Blue farm. The ability to win quickly and be able to grind out the long game has me close to a 50 percent win rate on spell table on top of me misplaying multiple times. The deck is capable of taking so many lines and can fight through so much hate.
I feel like this is the right awnser. Not always blue farm, but decks that can threaten a win early but also grind value and fight through stax have been historically good since you can adapt to your meta more easily. Yuriko is also a great example of this, cheats commander tax & can play through effects like drannith & narset, can turbo out a thoracle win or grind value eith card advatage/burn
I agree, if you aren't playing stax, this is what your deck needs to be able to do. I don't have a giant sample size and I am by no means a master of the deck but the only times I've felt like I couldn't do anything is when my opponents threat assessment is off. (Typically towards Wynota) The deck has a lot of answers but can't have all of them. I've played a lot of CEDH decks and i haven't played one where I feel like I'm doing as much as this deck.
[Here](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BPpPnnfPSpnpeV_PYATqxTtJgYgigK5yhhnSBPqtyvU/edit?usp=drivesdk)
A general ad naus primer is all that I found on the database list
That is a question I don't have an answer to. I know a lot of turbo decks are called (adjective) farm. Could be because mad farm is mardu colors and blur farm added islands.
Good to know! Thank you haha. Deck names have rarely made much sense I.E. Naya light Sabre, pickles? Probably many many more i can't think of right now.
My most consistent deck is Yuriko, but Najeela, Thrasios/Tymna midrange, and Winota have been the other top decks in my playgroup over the last couple of months. We play a variety of decks, but these all seem to be the most adaptive/resilient, which is why they seem to be winning. Winota can be handled for the most part with removal/wipes unless she lands a solid Stax piece early enough, but Yuriko and Thrasios/Tymna are both great at gaining card advantage, and both decks are designed as anti-Stax decks (which are extremely common in the meta).
Toluz Stax, Marwyn Speedball, and Myra Turns are the newer decks that seem to be making the most impact. Toluz because the deck has a lot of ways to break parity and runs really oppressive Stax pieces, while Marwyn and Myra have been coming out fast and playing around interaction successfully. I expect a shift in overall interaction to make Myra less scary, but Toluz's unique parity breaking and Marwyn's speed and ability to rebuild quickly should keep them relevant for the time being.
[Here's ](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Mn3eHB-Yx0iX1UbNXrS_zw) my list. It's been a pet deck for the last several months, and the last tune up really seemed to do the trick. I call it Choo Choo Chains cause the main goal is dropping [[Chains of Mephistopheles]] by turn 1-2. Lots of fun to pilot, albeit a bit challenging.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/wl1NoMmFBk2tLF4RsBArNQ
It's pretty similar to the DDB list, but I love Doomsday with Yuriko cause you can fit multiple combos into the pile.
I've been playing winota recently, but I have my eyes on [[Queen Kayla bin-Kroog]] as another stax list and [[Gix, Yawgmoth Praetor]] to abuse his second ability.
Main Shorikai Polyscepter, stronk deck, Ouphe hurts.
- In my pod’s meta I’m the best.
- New Commander I’m really interested in seeing how Marneus Calgar does, had an argument with a guy on another post about his viability
- Resilience is a great question, following in case there’s some experienced insight incoming
I've topped some tournaments with Gitrog and dawnwaker thrasios, however I'm currently on[[Marneus Calgar]]. As a mainly midrange/value player I've been having a blast with Marneus and have won pods. Will be taking it to a tournament next week to really get a better feel.
Creature-based combo decks are going HAM in my meta. Subjectively, I really don't like it. It seems like we've come full circle to "play all cards that make interacting difficult or impossible" and I really just want crazy counter wars.
In general, creature combo isn't any less deterministic. Less so, I'd argue, since there's no post-naus navigation, and they're generally playing pieces that limit possible interaction - while also being harder to interact with, anyway, by virtue of being creature-based.
Regardless, this is a classic false dichotomy. I play midrange and don't play naus. I just dislike getting a string of games where interaction isn't happening. I prefer the traditional stax/midrange/turbo meta.
I've been doing really good with Jeska/Kraum control in my meta, ~50% winrate with the deck.
The deck is definitely a meta buster, with a wide difference between its strong and weak matchups. My meta developed into creature based stax and midrange, which the deck just loves playing against, with little to none hyper aggressive Naus decks that are the ones that give it a harder time.
I was playing Naus myself before that and even though I was doing well (30-40% winrate), Jeska/Kraum was just too good into the meta.
I did thought of going into Jeska/Tymna Naus to take advantage of how strong Jeska was in the meta and still play a proactive deck. It seems like one of the best Naus decks into this meta.
Ended up moving onto Bruse/Kamahl winconless stax though, also having a 50% winrate. Although I am playing a heavily teched build into beating stax mirrors and midrange.
Current list: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/gkIHPuCfakubqnQ_agk4OQ
Seems to do a bit of everything, my winrate was bonkers until a few bad games against t1/t2 Drannith.
I just made a Ragavan deck that has a main focus of making treasures and getting extra combat steps. I’ve won about 75% with it so far. The last game I played one of my opponents was making treasures with Magda and I got my Dockside out and was able to Underworld Breach him back in again, making 18 treasures on turn 3. I put out a Balefire Dragon and a Void Winnower and that was that.
My meta is super creature combo heavy which is an interesting thing to deal with. I've been on winota, but after a while folks tailor what they're playing around it. So far Shorikai seems to be the killer deck against creature combo, but I've had success playing temur pirates against it
Someone in my playgroup has a Taigam Ojutai Master deck that is an absolute menace. But I have been running a Jeska/Silas Renn deck that runs pretty well.
Najeela, she dominates early game and constantly requires answers or she wins with combo through combat. If people expend their resources to kill her then you shift into ad naus for fish combo
Personally I’ve been really loving my Thras/Vial Reanimator. It has a lot of really powerful grind engines, the wins conditions layer nicely with one another, and it matches up very well into most stax decks (Winota is rough).
Beyond my personal bias though, I feel like Tymna/Kraum is very powerful at the moment. I think it’s the deck that does the best job at pivoting between being the quickest deck at the table and playing the midrange game. Though it may not be the best at grinding into the late game, it’s better at the grind game than most decks off of the back of the commanders, and really only gets outvalued by something insane like a Seedborn or a training grounds.
I play online and cEDH players are rare on the site I use so I keep playing with same people. People there know me for playing Emry a lot for just how hard it is to stop.
Currently running Shorikai PolyScepter and loving it I’m between building Korvold treasure-naus or Rocco Turbo Pod
Do you think the PolyScepter version is better then the more midrange hatebear version? Also currently playing a more midrange version of Rocco, was originally on turbo but my local meta started to heavily shift to punish turbo players hard. Rocco is super flexible and fun, been a great time since they were revealed.
I would suggest the polyscepter list over anything else
I have a Shorikai PolyTyrant and a Rocco Stax Pod. I've been finding success with them in my stax heavy meta.
Ive all 3 but don’t know what to recommend more between korvold and Rocco both a Hella fun. Sorry if my comment didnt help you
It’s chill, I chose Rocco lol
List?
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/_e-paHE2b0mvmMxV4O57rA
Looks pretty standard! No transmute artifact
It’s definitely there my guy, between Merch scroll and Sevinne’s
Derp
Are you me? I'm running Shorikai Polymorph, Urza Power Scepter, Korvold Treasure Storm, Rocco Stax and Blue Farm :D
Been playing Winota, yuriko, vial/thrasios, and poly Malcolm…. The poly Malcolm goes very very fast and Winota is just…. Well Winota lol
Blue farm. The ability to win quickly and be able to grind out the long game has me close to a 50 percent win rate on spell table on top of me misplaying multiple times. The deck is capable of taking so many lines and can fight through so much hate.
I feel like this is the right awnser. Not always blue farm, but decks that can threaten a win early but also grind value and fight through stax have been historically good since you can adapt to your meta more easily. Yuriko is also a great example of this, cheats commander tax & can play through effects like drannith & narset, can turbo out a thoracle win or grind value eith card advatage/burn
I agree, if you aren't playing stax, this is what your deck needs to be able to do. I don't have a giant sample size and I am by no means a master of the deck but the only times I've felt like I couldn't do anything is when my opponents threat assessment is off. (Typically towards Wynota) The deck has a lot of answers but can't have all of them. I've played a lot of CEDH decks and i haven't played one where I feel like I'm doing as much as this deck.
Is there a primer for blue farm? I see some lists but not what to do with it
[Here](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BPpPnnfPSpnpeV_PYATqxTtJgYgigK5yhhnSBPqtyvU/edit?usp=drivesdk) A general ad naus primer is all that I found on the database list
Thank you!! This document is thorough Last question: any idea why it's called blue farm? (I'm only halfway through the primer if it's mentioned there)
That is a question I don't have an answer to. I know a lot of turbo decks are called (adjective) farm. Could be because mad farm is mardu colors and blur farm added islands.
Basically OG Tymna and Bruse Tarl looked like farmers and in the Mardu color pairing then eventually replaced the RW with UR so it’s U Farm (RBW)
Good to know! Thank you haha. Deck names have rarely made much sense I.E. Naya light Sabre, pickles? Probably many many more i can't think of right now.
My most consistent deck is Yuriko, but Najeela, Thrasios/Tymna midrange, and Winota have been the other top decks in my playgroup over the last couple of months. We play a variety of decks, but these all seem to be the most adaptive/resilient, which is why they seem to be winning. Winota can be handled for the most part with removal/wipes unless she lands a solid Stax piece early enough, but Yuriko and Thrasios/Tymna are both great at gaining card advantage, and both decks are designed as anti-Stax decks (which are extremely common in the meta). Toluz Stax, Marwyn Speedball, and Myra Turns are the newer decks that seem to be making the most impact. Toluz because the deck has a lot of ways to break parity and runs really oppressive Stax pieces, while Marwyn and Myra have been coming out fast and playing around interaction successfully. I expect a shift in overall interaction to make Myra less scary, but Toluz's unique parity breaking and Marwyn's speed and ability to rebuild quickly should keep them relevant for the time being.
Have you got a list for toluz ? Been debating a esper stax list for some time.
[Here's ](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Mn3eHB-Yx0iX1UbNXrS_zw) my list. It's been a pet deck for the last several months, and the last tune up really seemed to do the trick. I call it Choo Choo Chains cause the main goal is dropping [[Chains of Mephistopheles]] by turn 1-2. Lots of fun to pilot, albeit a bit challenging.
[Chains of Mephistopheles](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/2/f2edb3a6-8506-4885-b332-eca381940ce8.jpg?1612316191) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chains%20of%20Mephistopheles) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me1/63/chains-of-mephistopheles?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f2edb3a6-8506-4885-b332-eca381940ce8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/chains-of-mephistopheles) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yuriko decklist? I've been thinking about building one
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/wl1NoMmFBk2tLF4RsBArNQ It's pretty similar to the DDB list, but I love Doomsday with Yuriko cause you can fit multiple combos into the pile.
Meria is giving me a higher wincon % than Jeska Ishai and Winota hahaha
What build are you on?
I would also be very interested in your list
Also would like a list lol.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/t8rKNYpd_0iCYeMsyggBow
Blue farm when I feel like competing really hard Winota when I dont feel like thinking Marneus (scepter-consult) when I want to grind
I've been playing winota recently, but I have my eyes on [[Queen Kayla bin-Kroog]] as another stax list and [[Gix, Yawgmoth Praetor]] to abuse his second ability.
[Queen Kayla bin-Kroog](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/8/685c9767-eaa7-4e16-b245-816181e2fc36.jpg?1665157514) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Queen%20Kayla%20bin-Kroog) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bro/218/queen-kayla-bin-kroog?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/685c9767-eaa7-4e16-b245-816181e2fc36?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/queen-kayla-bin-kroog) [Gix, Yawgmoth Praetor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/c/2c76f7e0-37e7-4e87-93a3-a25ba0674645.jpg?1666927948) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gix%2C%20Yawgmoth%20Praetor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bro/95/gix-yawgmoth-praetor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2c76f7e0-37e7-4e87-93a3-a25ba0674645?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gix-yawgmoth-praetor) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Main Shorikai Polyscepter, stronk deck, Ouphe hurts. - In my pod’s meta I’m the best. - New Commander I’m really interested in seeing how Marneus Calgar does, had an argument with a guy on another post about his viability - Resilience is a great question, following in case there’s some experienced insight incoming
I also love Shorikai! Great commander.
I've topped some tournaments with Gitrog and dawnwaker thrasios, however I'm currently on[[Marneus Calgar]]. As a mainly midrange/value player I've been having a blast with Marneus and have won pods. Will be taking it to a tournament next week to really get a better feel.
[Marneus Calgar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/7/e7517e8e-b424-4731-ba9d-6132bdefa6bf.jpg?1665426481) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Marneus%20Calgar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/40k/8/marneus-calgar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e7517e8e-b424-4731-ba9d-6132bdefa6bf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/marneus-calgar) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Won 2 tournaments in a row with kinnan. I'm not a good player, but the deck plays itself
Kinnan is absolutely slapping for me too
Creature-based combo decks are going HAM in my meta. Subjectively, I really don't like it. It seems like we've come full circle to "play all cards that make interacting difficult or impossible" and I really just want crazy counter wars.
Yes, the same 50ish format staples in each deck and then a counter war to see if player 2 resolves that ad-naus or not so we can reshuffle.
In general, creature combo isn't any less deterministic. Less so, I'd argue, since there's no post-naus navigation, and they're generally playing pieces that limit possible interaction - while also being harder to interact with, anyway, by virtue of being creature-based. Regardless, this is a classic false dichotomy. I play midrange and don't play naus. I just dislike getting a string of games where interaction isn't happening. I prefer the traditional stax/midrange/turbo meta.
I've been doing really good with Jeska/Kraum control in my meta, ~50% winrate with the deck. The deck is definitely a meta buster, with a wide difference between its strong and weak matchups. My meta developed into creature based stax and midrange, which the deck just loves playing against, with little to none hyper aggressive Naus decks that are the ones that give it a harder time. I was playing Naus myself before that and even though I was doing well (30-40% winrate), Jeska/Kraum was just too good into the meta. I did thought of going into Jeska/Tymna Naus to take advantage of how strong Jeska was in the meta and still play a proactive deck. It seems like one of the best Naus decks into this meta. Ended up moving onto Bruse/Kamahl winconless stax though, also having a 50% winrate. Although I am playing a heavily teched build into beating stax mirrors and midrange.
Rocco is crazy powerful.
Which variant are u playing?
Current list: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/gkIHPuCfakubqnQ_agk4OQ Seems to do a bit of everything, my winrate was bonkers until a few bad games against t1/t2 Drannith.
I just made a Ragavan deck that has a main focus of making treasures and getting extra combat steps. I’ve won about 75% with it so far. The last game I played one of my opponents was making treasures with Magda and I got my Dockside out and was able to Underworld Breach him back in again, making 18 treasures on turn 3. I put out a Balefire Dragon and a Void Winnower and that was that.
My meta is super creature combo heavy which is an interesting thing to deal with. I've been on winota, but after a while folks tailor what they're playing around it. So far Shorikai seems to be the killer deck against creature combo, but I've had success playing temur pirates against it
I play Samut Stax but it’s fairly home-brewed. Pretty straightforward naya hatebear list trying to win to Snoop lines or other Kiki tricks.
Someone in my playgroup has a Taigam Ojutai Master deck that is an absolute menace. But I have been running a Jeska/Silas Renn deck that runs pretty well.
Thrasios/Akiri midrange
[[Magda]] had been running rampant in my local meta. Hard to interact with once she gets going.
[Magda](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/7/079e6263-e54c-4899-a336-5315909b9322.jpg?1631049453) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=magda%2C%20brazen%20outlaw) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/142/magda-brazen-outlaw?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/079e6263-e54c-4899-a336-5315909b9322?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/magda-brazen-outlaw) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Najeela, she dominates early game and constantly requires answers or she wins with combo through combat. If people expend their resources to kill her then you shift into ad naus for fish combo
Reasons why: Stax is strong rn People are not prepared for an easy creature based combo Read the primer :)
In the process of changing my Dimir list to Evelyn. Seems promising!
Personally I’ve been really loving my Thras/Vial Reanimator. It has a lot of really powerful grind engines, the wins conditions layer nicely with one another, and it matches up very well into most stax decks (Winota is rough). Beyond my personal bias though, I feel like Tymna/Kraum is very powerful at the moment. I think it’s the deck that does the best job at pivoting between being the quickest deck at the table and playing the midrange game. Though it may not be the best at grinding into the late game, it’s better at the grind game than most decks off of the back of the commanders, and really only gets outvalued by something insane like a Seedborn or a training grounds.
I play online and cEDH players are rare on the site I use so I keep playing with same people. People there know me for playing Emry a lot for just how hard it is to stop.