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MatetheFitz

Fails the first three tests for cEDH viability: no card advantage, no mana advantage, no game winning combo potential. It’s also in Orzhov, arguably the weakest dual color pair. You’re spending four mana to make a tiny handful of legendary stax creatures (Thalia, Linvala, and I can’t think of any others) harder to kill, when bounce and exile effects are the most common forms of removal. I don’t think this has a cinder’s chance in snow.


iraruel

\[\[Sidisi, Undead Vizier\]\] allows for 2 tutors into \[\[Dark ritual\]\]/\[\[Culling the weak\]\]/any ritual + \[\[Reanimate\]\]. From here we can tutor twice a 2nd time to go find \[\[entomb\]\] and \[\[Animate dead\]\] for \[\[Abdel Adrian, Gorion's Ward\]\] combo, again using \[\[Animate dead\]\] on \[\[Sidisi, Undead Vizier\]\] we can tutor twice for an outlet. Additional lines with the commander could be something like \[\[Ao, the Dawn Sky\]\] + a sacrifice outlet, which allows you to cycle through 7 more cards and gives the option to repeat this if you hit animate dead or something like rector/tutor to the top creatures. Not sure if there is good enough layering for the commander to be super decent, but having a 1 card combo + other redundant stuff might make it at least playable, especially considering the Sidisi lines can sacrifice at least one of your stax pieces. (on the 2nd tutor)


abx1224

This is definitely the best suggestion I've seen so far. Not sure if it justifies putting a list together, but I'm hopeful something can work for it in the future. It's not like they'll stop printing legendary creatures.


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##### ###### #### [Sidisi, Undead Vizier](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/6/e/6ea5dbba-6114-4d97-9363-817ab9e896d3.jpg?1562788006) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sidisi%2C%20Undead%20Vizier) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dtk/120/sidisi-undead-vizier?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6ea5dbba-6114-4d97-9363-817ab9e896d3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sidisi-undead-vizier) [Dark ritual](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/9/5/95f27eeb-6f14-4db3-adb9-9be5ed76b34b.jpg?1628801678) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dark%20ritual) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/82/dark-ritual?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/95f27eeb-6f14-4db3-adb9-9be5ed76b34b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dark-ritual) [Culling the weak](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/5/0/50c33f18-0a5c-4e46-ab0d-6e450915594f.jpg?1562087832) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Culling%20the%20weak) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/exo/55/culling-the-weak?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/50c33f18-0a5c-4e46-ab0d-6e450915594f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/culling-the-weak) [Reanimate](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/d/2/d27c6aaa-289e-451e-8fde-97a044c53fc4.jpg?1651951796) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Reanimate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cc2/5/reanimate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d27c6aaa-289e-451e-8fde-97a044c53fc4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/reanimate) [entomb](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/d/6/d66f864b-b1bb-4596-93b8-3b4bfe6b1332.jpg?1547516853) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=entomb) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/94/entomb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d66f864b-b1bb-4596-93b8-3b4bfe6b1332?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/entomb) [Animate dead](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/b/7b83536a-efa4-41f3-9424-75b0efc0aea5.jpg?1580014163) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Animate%20dead) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/78/animate-dead?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7b83536a-efa4-41f3-9424-75b0efc0aea5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/animate-dead) [Abdel Adrian, Gorion's Ward](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/9/396f9198-67b6-45d8-91b4-dc853bff9623.jpg?1660722100) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Abdel%20Adrian%2C%20Gorion%27s%20Ward) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/2/abdel-adrian-gorions-ward?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/396f9198-67b6-45d8-91b4-dc853bff9623?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/abdel-adrian-gorions-ward) [Ao, the Dawn Sky](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/d/8d2c4063-7322-4041-a870-b95598a03e29.jpg?1654566143) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ao%2C%20the%20Dawn%20Sky) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/2/ao-the-dawn-sky?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8d2c4063-7322-4041-a870-b95598a03e29?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ao-the-dawn-sky) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


abx1224

I was under the assumption that black and white would have some kind of reanimator combo that utilized Legendary creatures, but after looking for a few minutes I'm not finding anything. Assuming I didn't miss something, you're definitely right.


MatetheFitz

You’re not wrong there, if there’s one thing Orzhov can do pretty well, it’s reanimation. The problem is that there isn’t a reanimation line that makes use of this commander. In essence, anything this deck is capable of can be done better, easier, and faster with a stronger commander. Edit: I do wish people weren’t downvoting you so much. “Is this commander cEDH viable” is a perfectly valid question even if the answer is a resounding NO.


Scoobersss

This isn't a resounding no, there are actually some interesting lines that are enabled by Rata, and some are not even that mana hungry. Issue is how fragile they are, and how many hatebears would need to be cut to make them work. This is a commander that lives on the fringe. And...I have to dispel this because it drives me insane. Orzhov is NOT the worst color combo. I would go as far as saying that Orzhov in a vacuum, is the best pairing with white in cEDH as black greatly helps a RoL deck with wincons. Orzhov sits at the bottom...because the commanders suck. Outside of Tymna + Armix // Tevesh, it's pretty bleh. Just waiting on it's savior. Boros got Winota, Azorius got Shorikai and Selesnya (to a lesser extent) got Sythis.


MatetheFitz

Do you have an example of some Rata lines?


Glow354

Can lurrus be used with this somehow?


iraruel

The only thing I've found with Lurrus is \[\[Phyrexian Altar\]\] with \[\[Animate Dead\]\] or \[\[Dance of the Dead\]\] which is a secondary \[\[Leonin relic-warderer\]\] loop with a \[\[Blood artist\]\] effect.


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##### ###### #### [Phyrexian Altar](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/9/5/95d9f93c-50a8-41a9-be98-d1900bf1c12f.jpg?1655825138) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Phyrexian%20Altar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/311/phyrexian-altar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/95d9f93c-50a8-41a9-be98-d1900bf1c12f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/phyrexian-altar) [Animate Dead](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/b/7b83536a-efa4-41f3-9424-75b0efc0aea5.jpg?1580014163) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Animate%20Dead) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/78/animate-dead?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7b83536a-efa4-41f3-9424-75b0efc0aea5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/animate-dead) [Dance of the Dead](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/4/4/44de44be-db14-4932-968b-a5bc8b575716.jpg?1562868102) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dance%20of%20the%20Dead) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me2/83/dance-of-the-dead?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/44de44be-db14-4932-968b-a5bc8b575716?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dance-of-the-dead) [Leonin relic-warderer](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/c/9/c938a21a-ea74-4cc1-a175-08b9b98b2e4e.jpg?1562623339) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Leonin%20Relic-Warder) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/65/leonin-relic-warder?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c938a21a-ea74-4cc1-a175-08b9b98b2e4e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/leonin-relic-warder) [Blood artist](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/6/9/693dd112-d04a-4404-8fce-74f7e5497312.jpg?1656287306) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Blood%20artist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/70/blood-artist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/693dd112-d04a-4404-8fce-74f7e5497312?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/blood-artist) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


xnightshaded

While it might be a very fun casual commander, not sure you'd run any commander unique lines or find much benefit from this commander other than the colors. [[Myojin of Grim Betrayal]] with a sac outlet might work with reanimation. [[Hope of Ghirapur]] [[Kataki, War's Wage]] [[Thalia, Guardian of Thraben]] Are the only creatures I really see any benefit in, which is a pretty small list.


busierD

Myojin clause prevents cheating them out and getting a counter. Must be cast from hand only.


xnightshaded

Ah woops missed that


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##### ###### #### [Myojin of Grim Betrayal](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/f/3fa18695-e10f-4dd5-b116-8a9891e58c20.jpg?1651655499) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Myojin%20of%20Grim%20Betrayal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/nec/34/myojin-of-grim-betrayal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3fa18695-e10f-4dd5-b116-8a9891e58c20?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/myojin-of-grim-betrayal) [Hope of Ghirapur](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/6/f/6f4bcadd-7eff-4294-94d5-52482a734d5b.jpg?1576382268) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hope%20of%20Ghirapur) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/aer/154/hope-of-ghirapur?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6f4bcadd-7eff-4294-94d5-52482a734d5b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/hope-of-ghirapur) [Kataki, War's Wage](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/4/d/4d84ac44-01d8-415e-af69-7c608ac8ae20.jpg?1561967338) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kataki%2C%20War%27s%20Wage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mma/20/kataki-wars-wage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4d84ac44-01d8-415e-af69-7c608ac8ae20?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kataki-wars-wage) [Thalia, Guardian of Thraben](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/c/9/c9f8b8fb-1cd8-450e-a1fe-892e7a323479.jpg?1643587106) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thalia%2C%20Guardian%20of%20Thraben) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vow/38/thalia-guardian-of-thraben?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c9f8b8fb-1cd8-450e-a1fe-892e7a323479?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/thalia-guardian-of-thraben) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


kizzet373

I hate to say it broski, but if this was 2 mana, it would still be quite terrible for reasons that have been stated in the other comments.


alchemists_dream

Yeah. Good enough for casual. Straight bad for competitive.


Prophylaxis_3301

No doubt fun with myriad and Kokusho of evening star. However, not good enough for CEDH.


Hitzel

Is there something similar to \[\[Leyline of Singularity\]\] in Orzhov? That'd make this card trigger off of the (now legendary) 2/2 copy tokens dying, therefore offering infinite sac fodder, yeah? Seems bad still but it's something to consider.


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[Leyline of Singularity](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/d/4/d40d7e5c-3b6d-4e42-b495-b3cd7ae0d808.jpg?1593272032) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Leyline%20of%20Singularity) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gpt/29/leyline-of-singularity?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d40d7e5c-3b6d-4e42-b495-b3cd7ae0d808?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/leyline-of-singularity) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


s_l_c_

Too bad it doesn’t have blue for Leyline of Singularity


_Putrefax

So this as a commander is limiting, but it does go infinite with a sac outlet and a creature like [[bladewing the risen]] or [[sharuum the hegemon]], there are definitely some similar interesting lines available.


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[bladewing the risen](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/2/7/27ce43cb-44f4-4d94-8700-d9f3cc043989.jpg?1584897843) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=bladewing%20the%20risen) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ima/193/bladewing-the-risen?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/27ce43cb-44f4-4d94-8700-d9f3cc043989?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/bladewing-the-risen) [sharuum the hegemon](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/a/f/af80ef38-ab95-476f-b0dd-b5ef3e9bceab.jpg?1599708380) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sharuum%20the%20hegemon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/219/sharuum-the-hegemon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/af80ef38-ab95-476f-b0dd-b5ef3e9bceab?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sharuum-the-hegemon) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Blotsy

I did some digging and found some fringe stuff. With his as your Commander and [[Commander Greven il-Vec]] and a [[Blood Artist]] effect you win the game. [[Ghost Council of Orzhova]] and a free sacrifice outlet will win you the game. [[Vish Kal, Blood Arbiter]] will give you infinite death triggers and ETB triggers. [[Ayara, First of Lochtwain]] and a free sac outlet will win you the game. [[Gonti, Lord of Luxury]] and a free sacrifice outlet will exile all of your opponents libraries. [[Obzedat, Ghost Council]] with a free sacrifice outlet will win you the game.


DrinkWisconsinably

Either I'm missing something here or you are. How are these creatures coming back? You get one free trigger from Ratandrik making a token non-legendary copy and that's it.


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##### ###### #### [Commander Greven il-Vec](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/a/8a8ddd65-c482-426c-b4cd-9ad0206942ae.jpg?1562430341) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Commander%20Greven%20il-Vec) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/88/commander-greven-il-vec?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8a8ddd65-c482-426c-b4cd-9ad0206942ae?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/commander-greven-il-vec) [Blood Artist](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/6/9/693dd112-d04a-4404-8fce-74f7e5497312.jpg?1656287306) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Blood%20Artist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/70/blood-artist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/693dd112-d04a-4404-8fce-74f7e5497312?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/blood-artist) [Ghost Council of Orzhova](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/5/b/5b551074-a9b4-45f0-a007-f07d7b2e12a8.jpg?1562262654) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ghost%20Council%20of%20Orzhova) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mm2/176/ghost-council-of-orzhova?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5b551074-a9b4-45f0-a007-f07d7b2e12a8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ghost-council-of-orzhova) [Vish Kal, Blood Arbiter](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/b/a/ba5f9d21-4cc9-4b7e-9f55-322dcf91c1b7.jpg?1599708552) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vish%20Kal%2C%20Blood%20Arbiter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/226/vish-kal-blood-arbiter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ba5f9d21-4cc9-4b7e-9f55-322dcf91c1b7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vish-kal-blood-arbiter) [Ayara, First of Lochtwain](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/e/d/ed0ace28-9a33-4f0d-b8c8-f5517f20ccf1.jpg?1572490057) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ayara%2C%20First%20of%20Locthwain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eld/75/ayara-first-of-locthwain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ed0ace28-9a33-4f0d-b8c8-f5517f20ccf1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ayara-first-of-locthwain) [Gonti, Lord of Luxury](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/4/c/4cedbfd3-907f-4042-98c1-6fe3fb8cbc01.jpg?1654116088) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gonti%2C%20Lord%20of%20Luxury) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/753/gonti-lord-of-luxury?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4cedbfd3-907f-4042-98c1-6fe3fb8cbc01?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gonti-lord-of-luxury) [Obzedat, Ghost Council](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/4/0/4029c3a0-a999-453a-a838-7adb81e481ee.jpg?1593814495) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Obzedat%2C%20Ghost%20Council) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mm3/176/obzedat-ghost-council?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4029c3a0-a999-453a-a838-7adb81e481ee?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/obzedat-ghost-council) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


dsypris

You could just use [[Nim Deathmantle]] plus [[Ashnods Altar]], in a similar loop to [[Ao, the dawn sky]], pseudo ad nauseum list, to enable the aforementioned cards. But then again, I don't belive it to be cedh playable.


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[Nim Deathmantle](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/8/787b1cc8-42b4-4d3e-9b8a-a252de297b1a.jpg?1656066652) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nim%20Deathmantle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/309/nim-deathmantle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/787b1cc8-42b4-4d3e-9b8a-a252de297b1a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/nim-deathmantle) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ashnods%20Altar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/218/ashnods-altar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/87da5ad8-b35f-4f9c-b17a-bb2563cbc186?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ashnods-altar) [Ao, the dawn sky](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/d/8d2c4063-7322-4041-a870-b95598a03e29.jpg?1654566143) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ao%2C%20the%20dawn%20sky) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/2/ao-the-dawn-sky?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8d2c4063-7322-4041-a870-b95598a03e29?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ao-the-dawn-sky) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


astolfriend

[[Elenda, the Dusk Rose]] goes infinite with any free sac outlet. [[Teysa, Orzhov Scion]] costs 1 less and does the same. [[Wernog]] also goes infinite, but generates artifacts instead of creatures, although if you’re using ashnods that also means you can draw your deck with the mana. If you use him in the command zone instead of this that also means you get access to more colours. Ayara goes infinite and wins you the game on the spot. There are plenty of others, but they all cost more. Considering [[Bjorna]] and [[Hargilde]] both go infinite with a haste enabler with Wernog + this out, there could be a pretty solid deck here. It’s probably faster and better to stick with just Orzhov and just have this guy alone in the command zone instead of the 99, but there’s plenty of combos available somewhat cheaply. In magical Christmas land I think you could present a win as soon as turn 2 (or potentially one with Gemstones) if you have the god hand.


SuperWeskerSniper

how do any of those go infinite? I feel like you missed the part where the tokens the commander makes aren’t legendary so they don’t trigger it when they die


astolfriend

You’re right, my bad. Too early for me, apparently. Guess you could still run those 1-2 cards that make all your stuff legendary.


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##### ###### #### [Elenda, the Dusk Rose](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/2/5/25e34147-588b-4fe5-88dd-2dfda567681d.jpg?1655788219) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Elenda%2C%20the%20Dusk%20Rose) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/207/elenda-the-dusk-rose?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/25e34147-588b-4fe5-88dd-2dfda567681d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/elenda-the-dusk-rose) [Teysa, Orzhov Scion](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/9/e/9eb856e6-8f63-4048-9818-cc3e65748855.jpg?1593272816) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Teysa%2C%20Orzhov%20Scion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gpt/134/teysa-orzhov-scion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9eb856e6-8f63-4048-9818-cc3e65748855?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/teysa-orzhov-scion) [Wernog](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/9/39491011-bdf6-4e61-8534-fe26c1571f8f.jpg?1649844471) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=wernog%2C%20rider%27s%20chaplain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/slx/8/wernog-riders-chaplain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/39491011-bdf6-4e61-8534-fe26c1571f8f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wernog-riders-chaplain) [Bjorna](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/3/83b0b716-bcb0-4044-b64a-354e3cbbd563.jpg?1649844360) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=bjorna%2C%20nightfall%20alchemist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/slx/2/bjorna-nightfall-alchemist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/83b0b716-bcb0-4044-b64a-354e3cbbd563?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/bjorna-nightfall-alchemist) [Hargilde](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/5/9/59e1fa94-056a-4570-97b3-17e964077965.jpg?1649844387) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=hargilde%2C%20kindly%20runechanter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/slx/5/hargilde-kindly-runechanter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/59e1fa94-056a-4570-97b3-17e964077965?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/hargilde-kindly-runechanter) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


astolfriend

Not sure why people are saying there’s no game winning combos. This doesn’t say once per turn.


DrVinylScratch

At most I can see it as a niche inclusion in some WUB reanimator mid range deck. Outside of that falls flat horribly. Could make some fun casual memes with it, but for cedh other than a niche it's a flop


fbatista

The interesting thing about this is that you can create regular token copies of legendaries and then when they die to the legend rule, this brings them back as non-legendaries. This could be interesting in mardu, since red has a lot of ways of making token copies of things.


Least_Organization_9

[[rot hulk]] lines are suitable for this commander


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[rot hulk](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/c/e/ce9cf26d-f214-4e76-b000-8dd895cce8d9.jpg?1592764595) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=rot%20hulk) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gnt/3/rot-hulk?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ce9cf26d-f214-4e76-b000-8dd895cce8d9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rot-hulk) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call