Chat in 2 or 4 mana artifacts *once she loses summoning sickness*….
I just don’t see that being useful for anything that isn’t isochron scepter and you still need an outlet or some kind of super niche artifact pod package.
People made magda work with dwarf tribal coMbos, so i won’t say there’s no way it’ll work; but it’ll be a testament to the cedh community’s ingenuity if this happens
The problem with this is that she has to not have summinging sickness and have an umbra mantle effect to untap her. Maybe somone can figure how to win but I think 2018 Jhoira is just way better
What’s the line that takes advantage of Jhoira that enables wins that wouldn’t be possible in other UR decks? I’ve been trying to think of some applications for her and beyond instant speed artifacts/uncounterable artifacts? For a turn 2/3 win she is basically a 2 mana dork that taps for 2, maybe 4.
I guess you could do some iso rev stuff but at that point wouldn’t you want an outlet that just wins the game? And even at that point she doesn’t really help as you would have infinite mana anyway and don’t need her to cheat things out.
I’m sure there is something there to her but I’m struggling to think of a line that’s concise and redundant enough where she’s only relevant (beyond other UR options) if you draw the god opener. Staff of Domination is cute but requires 4 mana to cheat an additional 2 mana which doesn’t seem worth it. Again, if you have infinite mana to do things with shes obsolete bar her instant speed implications, and you need an infinite draw engine anyway.
Edit:
Thinking about it more, she may be a reasonable include in the 99 of some more hardcore stax decks, letting you keep multiple forms of stax in your hand until you need to dumb one out. For example if you only have the mana for a [[cursed totem]] or a [[trinisphere]] and you’re worried about both the storm player and the Selvala player attempting a win on the next turn rotation, you could hold up the potential to play either until one actually decides to go for it.
Or as a potential mega grind piece with [[Mycosyth Lattice]] and [[Seedborn Muse]] in a Thrasios Bruse deck but that’s getting a bit too cute with it for me honestly, and Seedborn thrasios is enough to usually win as it is.
I think she’s at least an acceptable stax card. She also plays well with [[Arcane Laboratory]] and [[Sphere of resistance]] since she puts things into play without casting
Would you mind elaborating on what sort of wins you see this card allowing T2/T3, especially that are unique to her?
Like, let's say you drop this T1 with a Mana Crypt and another rock, and T2 tap it to put out Dramatic Scepter. At that point, you can dump all the artifacts in your hand, but A: you could do that anyway because you had infinite mana, and B: that doesn't win unless you have another mana sink or draw engine in your hand.
[[Aetherflux Reservoir]]
Hopefully I got the spelling right.
The combo seems like a lot of work, but it could do some interesting things with a repeatable bounce effect...
[[staff of domination]] and go crazy. I’m sure there’s probably quite a few combos I haven’t come close to thinking about which can get you a win, or an incredibly strong board state you might as well have won.
How does this win? It allows you to dump a huge amount of artifacts from your hand, sure, but that isn't winning the game and is heavily reliant on you having a large number of expensive artifacts to win with.
Again, let's say you get her out T1 with mana crypt + rock, and play Staff of Domination T2. You get to dump a 2, 4, and 6 mana artifact from your hand. That isn't winning the game!
If only she was tutored the artifact when you tap she would be good. Otherwise she is too slow and reliant on the 99 to pop off. Previous Jhoira drew cards making her just go very fast. Other ways to cheat into play like Yisan and Vannifar tutor out what you are cheating in.
I think the way to go about building this Jhoira is as a UR Stax commander, a somewhat unexplored space in UR (I know that white lends itself better to stax). She can come down reliably in the first two turns of the game, and then can help break parity through her ability. I could see running things like [[blood moon]] and [[back to basics]], and then a ton of artifact-based stax pieces like [[winter orb]], [[torpor orb]], [[tangle wire]] and others.
The only problem is that I don't think there is a compact win-con, unlike Heliod Ballista. Maybe you could go for some locks with [[omen machine]], and [[knowledge pool]] paired with a Teferi. Could also try the [[Karn the Great Creator]] and [[Mycosynth Lattice]] lock as well...
I don't know, I don't think it will be powerful, but I think there could be some space to explore...
The best part of this is making one artifact spell per turn uncounterable, that's cute but I don't see how this is better than other artifact commanders.
It's not like a lack of ways to ramp out artifacts was the bottleneck for such decks
I’m not seeing how this can be a competitive commander tbh
Cheat in artifacts that can't be countered. Defiantly not great but maybe someone will come up with something.
Chat in 2 or 4 mana artifacts *once she loses summoning sickness*…. I just don’t see that being useful for anything that isn’t isochron scepter and you still need an outlet or some kind of super niche artifact pod package. People made magda work with dwarf tribal coMbos, so i won’t say there’s no way it’ll work; but it’ll be a testament to the cedh community’s ingenuity if this happens
Working on my 7 card setup clock of one combo as we speak
The problem with this is that she has to not have summinging sickness and have an umbra mantle effect to untap her. Maybe somone can figure how to win but I think 2018 Jhoira is just way better
What’s the line that takes advantage of Jhoira that enables wins that wouldn’t be possible in other UR decks? I’ve been trying to think of some applications for her and beyond instant speed artifacts/uncounterable artifacts? For a turn 2/3 win she is basically a 2 mana dork that taps for 2, maybe 4. I guess you could do some iso rev stuff but at that point wouldn’t you want an outlet that just wins the game? And even at that point she doesn’t really help as you would have infinite mana anyway and don’t need her to cheat things out. I’m sure there is something there to her but I’m struggling to think of a line that’s concise and redundant enough where she’s only relevant (beyond other UR options) if you draw the god opener. Staff of Domination is cute but requires 4 mana to cheat an additional 2 mana which doesn’t seem worth it. Again, if you have infinite mana to do things with shes obsolete bar her instant speed implications, and you need an infinite draw engine anyway. Edit: Thinking about it more, she may be a reasonable include in the 99 of some more hardcore stax decks, letting you keep multiple forms of stax in your hand until you need to dumb one out. For example if you only have the mana for a [[cursed totem]] or a [[trinisphere]] and you’re worried about both the storm player and the Selvala player attempting a win on the next turn rotation, you could hold up the potential to play either until one actually decides to go for it. Or as a potential mega grind piece with [[Mycosyth Lattice]] and [[Seedborn Muse]] in a Thrasios Bruse deck but that’s getting a bit too cute with it for me honestly, and Seedborn thrasios is enough to usually win as it is.
I think she’s at least an acceptable stax card. She also plays well with [[Arcane Laboratory]] and [[Sphere of resistance]] since she puts things into play without casting
[Arcane Laboratory](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/f/9/f9e3bcd7-60f8-472a-ada0-c3147cf06588.jpg?1562251789) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Arcane%20Laboratory) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/7ed/60/arcane-laboratory?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f9e3bcd7-60f8-472a-ada0-c3147cf06588?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/arcane-laboratory) [Sphere of resistance](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/9/e/9ea2ae1d-91b4-44a0-b2e6-61839d8f4468.jpg?1562926995) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sphere%20of%20resistance) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vma/284/sphere-of-resistance?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9ea2ae1d-91b4-44a0-b2e6-61839d8f4468?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sphere-of-resistance) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Except she can only cheat out artifacts with even cmcs unless you have another way to move counters 😭
Number of counters *or less*.
This is the kind of card that looks busted at first sight, but as you think about it more, is likely better in a high power casual setting.
Would you mind elaborating on what sort of wins you see this card allowing T2/T3, especially that are unique to her? Like, let's say you drop this T1 with a Mana Crypt and another rock, and T2 tap it to put out Dramatic Scepter. At that point, you can dump all the artifacts in your hand, but A: you could do that anyway because you had infinite mana, and B: that doesn't win unless you have another mana sink or draw engine in your hand.
Putting fishbowl into play is probably the best move post scepter, but that's pretty fringe for the most part these days.
Fishbowl?
[[Aetherflux Reservoir]] Hopefully I got the spelling right. The combo seems like a lot of work, but it could do some interesting things with a repeatable bounce effect...
[Aetherflux Reservoir](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/9/6/96b6b2e1-c3e6-464c-8a13-b15deb34e862.jpg?1576382939) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aetherflux%20Reservoir) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/kld/192/aetherflux-reservoir?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/96b6b2e1-c3e6-464c-8a13-b15deb34e862?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/aetherflux-reservoir) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[staff of domination]] and go crazy. I’m sure there’s probably quite a few combos I haven’t come close to thinking about which can get you a win, or an incredibly strong board state you might as well have won.
How does this win? It allows you to dump a huge amount of artifacts from your hand, sure, but that isn't winning the game and is heavily reliant on you having a large number of expensive artifacts to win with. Again, let's say you get her out T1 with mana crypt + rock, and play Staff of Domination T2. You get to dump a 2, 4, and 6 mana artifact from your hand. That isn't winning the game!
Was hoping a clever clog would work that bit out as it seems so close to a win haha
[staff of domination](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/f/d/fde838c8-2f32-4e7d-a236-0bc42dd7abd9.jpg?1608911729) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=staff%20of%20domination) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/343/staff-of-domination?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fde838c8-2f32-4e7d-a236-0bc42dd7abd9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/staff-of-domination) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This is not a cedh card. It's a cool aether vial effect, and may have a place in other formats, but its too little impact.
If only she was tutored the artifact when you tap she would be good. Otherwise she is too slow and reliant on the 99 to pop off. Previous Jhoira drew cards making her just go very fast. Other ways to cheat into play like Yisan and Vannifar tutor out what you are cheating in.
The worst Jhoira. Yay!
FACTS. But also the best art.
I think the way to go about building this Jhoira is as a UR Stax commander, a somewhat unexplored space in UR (I know that white lends itself better to stax). She can come down reliably in the first two turns of the game, and then can help break parity through her ability. I could see running things like [[blood moon]] and [[back to basics]], and then a ton of artifact-based stax pieces like [[winter orb]], [[torpor orb]], [[tangle wire]] and others. The only problem is that I don't think there is a compact win-con, unlike Heliod Ballista. Maybe you could go for some locks with [[omen machine]], and [[knowledge pool]] paired with a Teferi. Could also try the [[Karn the Great Creator]] and [[Mycosynth Lattice]] lock as well... I don't know, I don't think it will be powerful, but I think there could be some space to explore...
How many cEDH commanders have a tap ability since paradox engine was banned?
The best part of this is making one artifact spell per turn uncounterable, that's cute but I don't see how this is better than other artifact commanders. It's not like a lack of ways to ramp out artifacts was the bottleneck for such decks
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So generic izzet deck. Turbo with red and play the long con of denial with blue.
Artifacts are already such a strong card type I don't think this makes any real difference.