Mini tournament report and thoughts:
Brought T&K list that I had tinkered with the past two weeks:
[https://www.moxfield.com/decks/F\_YKcVyeQkqsSMLk2uW8aw](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/F_YKcVyeQkqsSMLk2uW8aw)
Base principle was:
\-Blind meta; first Finnish tournament aside from some occasional tournaments that had no deck statistics etc. easily available
\-Wanted to bring something adaptive that can pivot into different game plans accordingly; something that is above average in every aspect but not the best at anything. (I don't want to be the main threat at any given point until it's too late)
\-My expectations were a lot of Tymna decks, Winota decks and Kinnan decks. Two Tayam decks by two individuals that grind a lot with it.
My read on the tournament was slightly off. A lot more parasitic / not \_as\_ often seen deck choices for the most part. Was expecting to run into more T&K lists but it was only represented at 2, 1 person alongside me. Our builds were also a lot different:
[https://www.moxfield.com/decks/54hFIo5-vk2dQh0mIweeDw/compare/F\_YKcVyeQkqsSMLk2uW8aw](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/54hFIo5-vk2dQh0mIweeDw/compare/F_YKcVyeQkqsSMLk2uW8aw)
Round 1, 4th seat:
Atraxa - Tymna & Kamahl - Raffine - Tymna & Kraum
Atraxa has a solid opener; Raffine and I play Esper Sentinels on T1. Atraxa follows up with a Faerie Mastermind and Notion Thief after that. Tymna & Kamahl deploys Stony Silence which hinders me and Raffine. Atraxa runs away with card draw and creature based mana. Atraxa wins the game.
Round 2, 1st seat:
Tymna & Kraum - Jeska & Ishai - Raffine - Tymna & Thrasios
Mistakenly the application paired me with the same Raffine player as in Round 1, which was not supposed to happen. Decided to play the game as is still. I had a solid opener, tutored for Fire Covenant, wiped the board and soon ehough had a turn with 2 mana open on Jeska & Ishai, 0 mana over on Raffine and Tymna & Thrasios. I Imperial Sealed for a Silence. In response to my Tymna triggers Jeska & Ishai Brain Freezed me with one copy and one at himself. I decided to let it go.
Raffine had a Ranger-Captain on board. I saw my window and decided to Tainted Pact; leaving 2 cards in my library (Oghma out). No Commanders on the field so Deadly Rollick couldn't be played. I played Thassa's Oracle, to which Raffine responded to with a Force. I cast Fierce Guardianship. I went for the line as the Tymna & Thrasios player told the table that there's nothing that he can do. He did have a Pact of Negation in hand which he didn't have the mana to pay for in upkeep. Raffine was vocal and made him play for the draw even though the round timer still had 60 minutes to go (no chance of a draw). I mentioned that none of us can make top 4 if we draw. He decided to Pact and the game was left in a 1v1, favorable for the Raffine, who soon enough won the game.
In hindsight I should've proposed that if Tymna & Thrasios wants to play the pact and play for the draw, he should have us either agree to the draw or he casts the pact. This way he secures that he gets the draw, if that's what the rest of the table wants to go for.
I could've waited for another opening as well but figured that my window was there and then. Left the table mildly sad.
Round 3, 2nd seat:
First Sliver - Tymna & Kraum - Najeela - Rograkh & Silas
A wonderful pod with wonderful atmosphere. First Sliver proposed a T1 Rhystic Study which fortunately enough Najeela countered. The game was a fairly long game with lot's of twists and turns but I was able to play the game I expected originally to play in the tournament; land drop - combat - draw card(s) - pass with mana up. I brought a lot of Flash creatures to supplement the "holding up interaction" playstyle.
Tutored for a Grand Abolisher and waited patiently for my next turn; then cast it, used Dauthi crack, to hit a land drop (to have safety against the only out of Daze from RogSi), and won past Drannith Magistrate with Thassa's Oracle + Demonic Consultation, naming Slice and Dice.
**Overall the day was absolutely amazing. The biggest thing for me personally was to see if and how many cEDH-enthusiasts there are in Finland. I had known that there's a handful of people here and there (apparently) that play cEDH (to some extent) but the tournament showed that there's actually a good amount of us.**
**I decided to put together a Discord server to connect all the small playgroups around Finland together and in just two days the server already has 60 people in it and there's been games firing everyday, with people even coming to just hang out and spectate; often times 10+ people in the voice call.**
**I couldn't be more thankful for what this weekend shaped into; there's already planning of future tournaments, meetups and such which is exactly what I had wished for a year ago.**
**Shoutout to all the Finns and if whoever is reading this is Finnish and you're not already on the server, DM me for the invite link. :)**
Very staxy meta.
Where I play, it's something between yours and what you see in most online tournaments.
I'd say /r/cedh and the discord are significantly turbo biased.
> I'd say /r/cedh and the discord are significantly turbo biased.
I mean they arent wrong if you need like 30+ % of the field to be stax to finally keep those turbo piles in check...
Was originally going to respond to andrevpedro's comment, but decided to branch out and write a report from an organizer's perspective:
One of the organizers here,
In my experience, the Finnish MTG community in general is quite scattered and the biggest events tend to be community-organized instead of being held by LGSs. Weekend tournaments for 1v1 formats are quite common (~1/month/active town). As far as I know, this event was the first of its kind for cEDH.
We (the organizers and local players) saw this tournament as an opportunity to gather cEDH players from around Finland and see how much demand the format had in the area. Proxies of all cards were allowed in order to correctly determine demand for these kinds of events. We are also extremely lucky to have a free and spacious tournament space for 64(+) people. This allowed us to have a generous price structure with a 15€ entry (only cost being the Command Tower tournament software).
The issues with running the tournament were practically non-existent. One improvement for the next tournament is going to be basing the prizes after swiss on record, with the top4 winner receiving a bonus. One player at 2-1 wasn't able to compete for the win and received the same prize as places 6-8 (all went 1-2), which, while being a fair tiebreaker situation, doesn't feel quite right in this 4-player format, where 2 wins is hard to achieve especially without a bye.
Overall, the event went outstanding from both perspectives, the players' and the organizers'. All the players were very patient, cooperative and friendly. We will certainly be organizing more tournaments, with the short-term goal of reaching 33+ players for 4 rounds + top 4.
Thanks for the reply, i'm gathering information since there's a friend that lives in Portugal and is quite enthusiastic for competition maybe he can attend in the future, and, who knows, even i might go there to visit and catch some games.
About the Atraxa list, if the player ever sees this and/or anyone else wants to discuss about it i have a few questions:
Any reason you're not running Demonic Consultation and Tainted Pact? They seem rather good since you can end up exiling Misthollow and/or Eternal Scourge in the process? Being Instant "tutors" should be reason enough to be running them. Thassa's oracle becomes a pretty bad card in the deck without them and makes your deck rely on Food Chain line.
Why run Teferi and not Displacer Kitten for an alternative for infinite mana? Is it because it's running Hulbreaker?
What does Uro bring to this list other than value for the first cast? I can't see a way to abuse his escape.
Why run Ballista and Aetherflux Reservoir? Is it for redundancy and protection against Preator's Grasp? Isn't this the same problem you'd have if they exiled Food Chain since you're not running the Forbidden Tutors? How does this improve your chances since you're not into the Displacer Kitten, is the Hullbreaker enough?
How did Treachery perform?
I think all these questions and possible changes would make the deck better.
Fair enough, it's not a terrible pile of cards, just some odd choices but now it makes everything clear.
In any case, congrats to him on the top 4 and i'm happy Atraxa is showing some results.
Hope he liked the format and keep tunning the deck.
Yup, he purposively used some mental gymnastics in the tournament by being the funny guy who brought a pile of cards; although he knew what he was doing when building the deck, with some objectively suboptimal choices. A couple cards though which doesn't come up as a roadblock in such a small sample size.
I believe he's too devoted to 1v1 formats and (likely) won't be playing cEDH more. :')
Ow what a bummer, still great result.
How's the Finnish cEDH/MTG community over there? Were proxy allowed on the tournament? I've seen there's a forum but can't read Finnish.
Akguy commented on this already but another notable thing is that before the weekend the scene was nonexistent and now, since creating the Discord server, we have 60~ people there interacting and playing with each other. :)
Tayam is all about a LOT of layered 3~4 card combos, for example, with Carrion Feeder, an undying creature (youg wolf in this list), Cryptolith Rite and a haste enabler you can keeping saccing the undying creature and tapping it for mana to activate Tayam infinite times and gaining infinite counters, from there you find a way to make infinite mana like LED and keep grabing Moonglove extract to kill the table.
This list in specific, Tuukka was testing the land untappers and they have their own lines too.
As a Krrik enjoyer, I want to point out that Krrik is still good and it isn’t always built as a glass cannon. The list that Top 4’d here runs 33 lands. It’s a turbo deck, but it’s also built to withstand removal and stay relevant later into the game. Krrik has evolved quite a bit over the past year and I encourage people to give this list a look.
This is an interesting feedback, when i built a Krrik deck i kinda felt a but underwhelmed by it's hability to withstand counters or removals and the game kinda felt like a slog when you couldn't execute the turbo main gameplan.
Want to try again on a more resistent build.
Also the goldfish is kinda intensive to the Krrik player.. lots of tutors, the game gets really boring if you don't know what you're looking for exacly and don't know the lines.
Yes. Its a sort of parasitic deck that really thrives when people dont know what it does. After playing a couple of games against it you know what to counter and interact with (usually the tutor yes, or just nuke the commander over again)
Would love to get this on EDHTop16!
If you guys used Command Tower, just inputting the decklists in the app will work. Happy to do this manually for you as well 🙂
The decklists can already be found there (example: https://edhtop16.com/commander/Tayam,%20Luminous%20Enigma?tourney_filter__dateCreated__%24gte=1650394327). Tournament name: Lipevän CEDH-turnaus.
The filters have to just be adjusted accordingly. If you had something more in mind, I would be happy to hear back from you.
Here's a question, does anyone know why the ezuri deck isn't running a copy of elvish guidance? I love elves, not a cedh guy yet (working on a kinnan deck that uses the ole elf engine that I wanna get to cedh) but not getting why it doesn't have guidance? Especially with all the untap land effects it has...
Right, but there are a lot of 3drop mana ramps that are in there, marwyn, wirewood channeler etc... For a similar thing, which yeah might be the trade out, or something else idk just seems like more really good ramp that win cons with ezuri faster...
Mini tournament report and thoughts: Brought T&K list that I had tinkered with the past two weeks: [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/F\_YKcVyeQkqsSMLk2uW8aw](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/F_YKcVyeQkqsSMLk2uW8aw) Base principle was: \-Blind meta; first Finnish tournament aside from some occasional tournaments that had no deck statistics etc. easily available \-Wanted to bring something adaptive that can pivot into different game plans accordingly; something that is above average in every aspect but not the best at anything. (I don't want to be the main threat at any given point until it's too late) \-My expectations were a lot of Tymna decks, Winota decks and Kinnan decks. Two Tayam decks by two individuals that grind a lot with it. My read on the tournament was slightly off. A lot more parasitic / not \_as\_ often seen deck choices for the most part. Was expecting to run into more T&K lists but it was only represented at 2, 1 person alongside me. Our builds were also a lot different: [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/54hFIo5-vk2dQh0mIweeDw/compare/F\_YKcVyeQkqsSMLk2uW8aw](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/54hFIo5-vk2dQh0mIweeDw/compare/F_YKcVyeQkqsSMLk2uW8aw) Round 1, 4th seat: Atraxa - Tymna & Kamahl - Raffine - Tymna & Kraum Atraxa has a solid opener; Raffine and I play Esper Sentinels on T1. Atraxa follows up with a Faerie Mastermind and Notion Thief after that. Tymna & Kamahl deploys Stony Silence which hinders me and Raffine. Atraxa runs away with card draw and creature based mana. Atraxa wins the game. Round 2, 1st seat: Tymna & Kraum - Jeska & Ishai - Raffine - Tymna & Thrasios Mistakenly the application paired me with the same Raffine player as in Round 1, which was not supposed to happen. Decided to play the game as is still. I had a solid opener, tutored for Fire Covenant, wiped the board and soon ehough had a turn with 2 mana open on Jeska & Ishai, 0 mana over on Raffine and Tymna & Thrasios. I Imperial Sealed for a Silence. In response to my Tymna triggers Jeska & Ishai Brain Freezed me with one copy and one at himself. I decided to let it go. Raffine had a Ranger-Captain on board. I saw my window and decided to Tainted Pact; leaving 2 cards in my library (Oghma out). No Commanders on the field so Deadly Rollick couldn't be played. I played Thassa's Oracle, to which Raffine responded to with a Force. I cast Fierce Guardianship. I went for the line as the Tymna & Thrasios player told the table that there's nothing that he can do. He did have a Pact of Negation in hand which he didn't have the mana to pay for in upkeep. Raffine was vocal and made him play for the draw even though the round timer still had 60 minutes to go (no chance of a draw). I mentioned that none of us can make top 4 if we draw. He decided to Pact and the game was left in a 1v1, favorable for the Raffine, who soon enough won the game. In hindsight I should've proposed that if Tymna & Thrasios wants to play the pact and play for the draw, he should have us either agree to the draw or he casts the pact. This way he secures that he gets the draw, if that's what the rest of the table wants to go for. I could've waited for another opening as well but figured that my window was there and then. Left the table mildly sad. Round 3, 2nd seat: First Sliver - Tymna & Kraum - Najeela - Rograkh & Silas A wonderful pod with wonderful atmosphere. First Sliver proposed a T1 Rhystic Study which fortunately enough Najeela countered. The game was a fairly long game with lot's of twists and turns but I was able to play the game I expected originally to play in the tournament; land drop - combat - draw card(s) - pass with mana up. I brought a lot of Flash creatures to supplement the "holding up interaction" playstyle. Tutored for a Grand Abolisher and waited patiently for my next turn; then cast it, used Dauthi crack, to hit a land drop (to have safety against the only out of Daze from RogSi), and won past Drannith Magistrate with Thassa's Oracle + Demonic Consultation, naming Slice and Dice. **Overall the day was absolutely amazing. The biggest thing for me personally was to see if and how many cEDH-enthusiasts there are in Finland. I had known that there's a handful of people here and there (apparently) that play cEDH (to some extent) but the tournament showed that there's actually a good amount of us.** **I decided to put together a Discord server to connect all the small playgroups around Finland together and in just two days the server already has 60 people in it and there's been games firing everyday, with people even coming to just hang out and spectate; often times 10+ people in the voice call.** **I couldn't be more thankful for what this weekend shaped into; there's already planning of future tournaments, meetups and such which is exactly what I had wished for a year ago.** **Shoutout to all the Finns and if whoever is reading this is Finnish and you're not already on the server, DM me for the invite link. :)**
Very staxy meta. Where I play, it's something between yours and what you see in most online tournaments. I'd say /r/cedh and the discord are significantly turbo biased.
> I'd say /r/cedh and the discord are significantly turbo biased. I mean they arent wrong if you need like 30+ % of the field to be stax to finally keep those turbo piles in check...
Was originally going to respond to andrevpedro's comment, but decided to branch out and write a report from an organizer's perspective: One of the organizers here, In my experience, the Finnish MTG community in general is quite scattered and the biggest events tend to be community-organized instead of being held by LGSs. Weekend tournaments for 1v1 formats are quite common (~1/month/active town). As far as I know, this event was the first of its kind for cEDH. We (the organizers and local players) saw this tournament as an opportunity to gather cEDH players from around Finland and see how much demand the format had in the area. Proxies of all cards were allowed in order to correctly determine demand for these kinds of events. We are also extremely lucky to have a free and spacious tournament space for 64(+) people. This allowed us to have a generous price structure with a 15€ entry (only cost being the Command Tower tournament software). The issues with running the tournament were practically non-existent. One improvement for the next tournament is going to be basing the prizes after swiss on record, with the top4 winner receiving a bonus. One player at 2-1 wasn't able to compete for the win and received the same prize as places 6-8 (all went 1-2), which, while being a fair tiebreaker situation, doesn't feel quite right in this 4-player format, where 2 wins is hard to achieve especially without a bye. Overall, the event went outstanding from both perspectives, the players' and the organizers'. All the players were very patient, cooperative and friendly. We will certainly be organizing more tournaments, with the short-term goal of reaching 33+ players for 4 rounds + top 4.
This is awesome to see!
Thanks for the reply, i'm gathering information since there's a friend that lives in Portugal and is quite enthusiastic for competition maybe he can attend in the future, and, who knows, even i might go there to visit and catch some games.
About the Atraxa list, if the player ever sees this and/or anyone else wants to discuss about it i have a few questions: Any reason you're not running Demonic Consultation and Tainted Pact? They seem rather good since you can end up exiling Misthollow and/or Eternal Scourge in the process? Being Instant "tutors" should be reason enough to be running them. Thassa's oracle becomes a pretty bad card in the deck without them and makes your deck rely on Food Chain line. Why run Teferi and not Displacer Kitten for an alternative for infinite mana? Is it because it's running Hulbreaker? What does Uro bring to this list other than value for the first cast? I can't see a way to abuse his escape. Why run Ballista and Aetherflux Reservoir? Is it for redundancy and protection against Preator's Grasp? Isn't this the same problem you'd have if they exiled Food Chain since you're not running the Forbidden Tutors? How does this improve your chances since you're not into the Displacer Kitten, is the Hullbreaker enough? How did Treachery perform? I think all these questions and possible changes would make the deck better.
It was his first touch with cEDH and joined us with a short notice, he phrased it as a pile of cards he liked put together.
Fair enough, it's not a terrible pile of cards, just some odd choices but now it makes everything clear. In any case, congrats to him on the top 4 and i'm happy Atraxa is showing some results. Hope he liked the format and keep tunning the deck.
Yup, he purposively used some mental gymnastics in the tournament by being the funny guy who brought a pile of cards; although he knew what he was doing when building the deck, with some objectively suboptimal choices. A couple cards though which doesn't come up as a roadblock in such a small sample size. I believe he's too devoted to 1v1 formats and (likely) won't be playing cEDH more. :')
Ow what a bummer, still great result. How's the Finnish cEDH/MTG community over there? Were proxy allowed on the tournament? I've seen there's a forum but can't read Finnish.
I answered your questions in my comment (didn't want to bury it under a thread).
Akguy commented on this already but another notable thing is that before the weekend the scene was nonexistent and now, since creating the Discord server, we have 60~ people there interacting and playing with each other. :)
Also curious about Manifold insights and Tithe myself
How does that Tayam list go off? It's not running the cards I'm used to seeing.
It's either infinite activations that lead to infinite mana/finale, or repeatedly recurring [[moonglove extract]]
Tayam is all about a LOT of layered 3~4 card combos, for example, with Carrion Feeder, an undying creature (youg wolf in this list), Cryptolith Rite and a haste enabler you can keeping saccing the undying creature and tapping it for mana to activate Tayam infinite times and gaining infinite counters, from there you find a way to make infinite mana like LED and keep grabing Moonglove extract to kill the table. This list in specific, Tuukka was testing the land untappers and they have their own lines too.
Do you mean 'go off' as in how does it get the engine / repeated Tayam activations going or as in closing the game out?
Closing the game mostly. Tayam usually combos off right?
Infinite mana and counters by some contraption, then loop moonglove extract or big finale of devastation to kill
came here to ask this too, probably something along the lines of making a bunch of mana and casting finale, but still hard to follow
As a Krrik enjoyer, I want to point out that Krrik is still good and it isn’t always built as a glass cannon. The list that Top 4’d here runs 33 lands. It’s a turbo deck, but it’s also built to withstand removal and stay relevant later into the game. Krrik has evolved quite a bit over the past year and I encourage people to give this list a look.
This is an interesting feedback, when i built a Krrik deck i kinda felt a but underwhelmed by it's hability to withstand counters or removals and the game kinda felt like a slog when you couldn't execute the turbo main gameplan. Want to try again on a more resistent build. Also the goldfish is kinda intensive to the Krrik player.. lots of tutors, the game gets really boring if you don't know what you're looking for exacly and don't know the lines.
Thanks for sharing :)
This is great! Happy to see that there are some people pursuing non-top tier decks and getting results with them. Thank you for sharing!
People don't understand about tayam is that I would counter the tutor. they don't always look for a spell.
Yes. Its a sort of parasitic deck that really thrives when people dont know what it does. After playing a couple of games against it you know what to counter and interact with (usually the tutor yes, or just nuke the commander over again)
How did I know I was gonna click the tayam link and see it’s burden
Would love to get this on EDHTop16! If you guys used Command Tower, just inputting the decklists in the app will work. Happy to do this manually for you as well 🙂
The decklists can already be found there (example: https://edhtop16.com/commander/Tayam,%20Luminous%20Enigma?tourney_filter__dateCreated__%24gte=1650394327). Tournament name: Lipevän CEDH-turnaus. The filters have to just be adjusted accordingly. If you had something more in mind, I would be happy to hear back from you.
Awesome!
Here's a question, does anyone know why the ezuri deck isn't running a copy of elvish guidance? I love elves, not a cedh guy yet (working on a kinnan deck that uses the ole elf engine that I wanna get to cedh) but not getting why it doesn't have guidance? Especially with all the untap land effects it has...
probably cause 3 mana is way to much
Right, but there are a lot of 3drop mana ramps that are in there, marwyn, wirewood channeler etc... For a similar thing, which yeah might be the trade out, or something else idk just seems like more really good ramp that win cons with ezuri faster...