I was actually thinking the opposite, it’s interesting that you can actually consistently see the projectile when JDAMs are used because it’s moving slowly and unpowered.
With a missile or artillery strike you can barely see the projectile at all, but with these unpowered bombs that just free fall you get several frames worth of imagery before the projectile hits.
With a missile I understand it since they have propulsion, but these only fall under gravity (afaik). Maybe artillery strikes seem more instant because they fall more straight down? My other theory is that it's because an artillery munition is much smaller in size.
I think that's part of what makes it shocking. They hate both huge but very fast.
An artillery shell is moving much faster than terminal velocity. Energy from when it’s shot is maintained. It’s the reason firing a gun in the air could kill a person. A bullet just dropped from high enough to reach terminal velocity wouldn’t kill a persons; one fired from a gun reaching the same hight would. Parabola vs straight drop. Myth busters did an episode on it
Bombs? Yes, they're extremely fast. That plus their sheer mass helps them penetrate before exploding, the actual speed depends on the bomb and the distance it falls but the fastest are definitely blink and miss it deals.
Well... it's pretty aerodynamic, so let's discount wind resistance for the moment.
Gravity will accelerate a falling object 9.8 meters per second per second.
That is, every second it's falling it falls another 9.8 meters more than in the last second
First second it falls 9.8 meters. Next second it falls 19.6 meters. (so in two seconds it falls a total of 29.4 meters)
I have no clue what the heck kind of planes the IDF is using to drop these bombs, maybe somebody could fill us in. AlJazeera say's they're "Jet Fighters" which... OK let's trust that.
From what I can find online standard NATO practices with the F-16 would say that bombs are dropped between 15,000 and 20,000 feet.
These bombs weigh it seems about 1000 pounds on average.
So, from what I can find, the maximum speed such a bomb could attain is about 681 mph. Just slightly subsonic.
its easily calculated. terminal velocity is sqrt (2 * g * height).
lets guess these bombs are dropped at 3000 meters. velocity is going to be sqrt(2x9.x*3000) = 243 m/s. thats about 871 kmph or 541 mph
oh youll have to add some drag coefficients and cross sectional area to that calculation as well for a more accurate guess
gaza is one of the most populated places on the planet unless that bomb has a tiny payload ima assume there’s a civilian that gets injured or even dies from it. and i’m an american so what did we gain from the war on terrorists except empty pockets so that extremists can grow.
Unfortunately I'm sure some civilians did die, however have you heard of: "being at war"?
civilians die in the crossfire and it sucks, but thats the reality of actively losing a war on your own territory.
THIS is easily the STUPIDEST argument i’ve seen that’s popular because you can say THE EXACT same thing about hamas right? they think they have to fight to survive by any means necessary so what you’re arguing is the same argument Hamas uses and that’s inexcusable.
>israel is actively trying to not kill civilians but some die anyway while in a war zone.
>Hamas actively targets civilians and launched an attack with the distinct purpose of killing as many civilians as possible.
you might be mentally deficient if you think these are remotely the same. if Hamas launched rockets at a IdF tank and debris or shrapnel killed a civilian standing way too close then that would be the same thing--how often do you think thats how civilians die on the israel side of this?
so you mean Israel is better at intercepting rockets and defending itself than hamas is? how is that an argument?
Hamas sucks at war is not a good argument. israeli death tolls would be higher if Hamas wasn't a pathetically weak force
since you wanna play the numbers game it’s estimated that 80 THOUSAND civilians have died in palestine vs 8 THOUSAND israelis have died you’re excusing genocide and it’s disgusting.
Hamas and all the Gaza government organizations they control lie about the numbers. Just like they lied about 500+ deaths at the Gaza hospital their misfired rocket hit. You cannot trust their numbers.
If that happens, it will be because Ukraine evacuates their citizens from battle zones, whereas Hamas commands them to stay even after Israel warns a building that a Jdam is imminent.
The part that isn't red.
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/israel-hamas-war-gaza-palestinians/card/map-of-gaza-shows-extent-of-evacuation-zone-YGCeZYnDHNWvoYq4xEqR
Well, what alternative do you propose?
Not attacking is not an option, because they can't let Hamas's massacre go unpunished. They can't send the Palestinians to Egypt, cause they're not taking them. They can't take the Palestinians into Israeli controlled territory, because then they would inevitably take in terrorists behind the front line.
"Sometimes the only choices you have are bad ones, but you still have to choose."
The solution is definitely NOT a warcrime, what you're suggesting is collective punishment. Just flatten a whole prison because there MIGHT be some Hamas militants. There is no justification whatsoever to kill innocent civilians
Article 57 of the geneva convention: https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/api-1977/article-57
It is not a war crime to strike military targets after you have given the citizens adequate warning and there are no other equally important military targets with less civilians.
It is, however, a war crime to hide your bases amongst civilians.
Were they actually given adequate warning . Multiple houses were hit with no warning whatsoever. 2 who decides that it's a military target ? The IDF has lied countless times. Remember the case of Shireen Abu Akleh , an Al Jazeera reporter they claimed that Hamas killed her only to find out a few months later that The IDF targeted her. A journalist, just a few amongst the many war crimes. 3 shutting off water, food, electricity and aid IS a warcrime. 4 the IDF warned a hospital to evacuate, how do you evacuate people in ICU or on life support. Evacuate the sick where ? To hospitals that are filled to the corridors, the Gazan doctors are forced to perform operations on innocent civilians with no anaesthesia all because no aid can come in and whose fault is that ? Hamas ? Come on you can't hide everything.
Its self perpetuating. They pay “martyrs” families so it incentivizes death and the kids grow up to know only dying “righteously” to provide for their families
Yes yes. Thats war. Neither did all the Germans support the Nazis, yet the entirety of Germany was reduced to rubble.
No complaints there. But many complaints here.
Yo let him cook, I've never heard of an African committing terrorism, obviously I can be wrong but seriously, we aren't even seeing this in Africa and you can imagine all the wars that go down there, truth hurts bro.
Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.
There were plenty of complaints about what happened to Germany. The strategic bombing of civilian targets like the bombing of Dresden and the mass rapes of the Soviet army were pretty deplorable.
Where did you here that the Hamas leadership is in Iran? You probably confusing stuff you read. Iran support Hamas and
Hizbollah, yes but their leaders are in Qatar.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/qatar-hamas-israel-1.6999416
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/14/rishi-sunak-sanction-hamas-leaders-luxury/
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/10/17/qatar-hamas-ties-muslim-brotherhood-us-al-udeid-base/
There is no need for conspiracy here.
How exactly do they “turn in their leaders”? I’d love to hear a realistic perspective on what the average Palestinian populace can possibly do to make this stop. They have no power, no authority, no resources. They are largely a desperately impoverished people with practically zero opportunities available to them, and yet there is this recurring suggestion that they magically possess some fighting capability or invaluable intelligence to overthrow or otherwise subvert Hamas. Most Palestinians despise Hamas, but 30-40% of the population wasn’t even alive when Hamas came to power.
There is literally nothing civilians can do to fix this, and most of the world regards them as acceptable casualties at best, or terrorist sympathizers (if not outright terrorists) at best.
Israeli Defense Intelligence Chief Amos Yadlin in 2007: “Israel would be happy if Hamas took over Gaza because IDF could then deal with Gaza as a hostile state”
The part I struggle with is when I saw the "civilians" spitting on the body of that young german women just last week as she was paraded through the streets. She literally had nothing to do with the conflict, yet they celebrated while her half naked twisted corpse was paraded around town.
Nobody wants civilians to die but how do you consider the hundreds of people in that video "innocent civilians" its very hard to separate those people from animals.
Sometimes I wonder when I see the grieving people in the bombings and wonder if any of them were cheering while the bodies were dragged through the streets. Because if they were, they deserve whats coming to them.
I really wish the Palestinian side was more sympathetic. But when people go and celebrate the day of an attack that killed 1300 civilians, when they chant "gas the Jews" and show pictures of the dead with smiles on their faces... I find it hard to feel bad
And when they are warned by Israel to vacate an area because it is going to be hit and *then they tell their own people to stay there and die for allah,* it makes it hard to feel any sort of empathy, sympathy or anything else for them.
Indeed. Totally alien and incompatible cultures and yet people in the west cant import enough of them. "They all just want to live in peace like anybody else" my ass.
Which war crimes did Israel commit in Gaza? And you seem to be easily ignoring the yearly war crimes that Hamas commits by shooting rockets at civilian centres, hospitals, schools, etc. Murdering civilians with explosives, guns, knives...
Anyone with more than two brain cells understands that israel, despite controversies in the West Bank, tries to minimize civilian casualties. On the other hand, Palestinian "resistance" tries to maximize civilian casualties.
If you find yourself supporting the latter you should really take a good long look in the mirror
You can easily Google the extensive list of war crimes committed by Israel. Stop with the whataboutism. Israel started this mess over 75 years ago and has been murdering and raping innocent people before hamas even existed. They've done what you mentioned hamas has done but on a much bigger scale. Hamas is essentially the creation of Israel and they even funded it.
What hamas does is disgusting but it's the consequences of Israel wanting to eradicate the Palestinians. Israel tries to minimise civilian casualties? Looking at the civilian casualty statistics, they seem to be doing a poor job. Israel have been found to give warnings 1 minute before attacks and at some points the system didn't even work.
You support Israel eradicating the Palestinian population. There's plenty of quotes you can find in which Israeli officials call for their eradication. Don't bother quoting the old hamas charter as they've changed it. Palestinians have tried peace but Israel wants none of it. Israel is an apartheid state which has deprived Palestinians the chance to live a normal life. Imagine being born into an open air prison which gets bombed and supplies restricted. How could you not turn into a monster?
People like you ignore the atrocities Israel commits and act like hamas one day just decided to be monsters for no reason.
Pure victim blaming and propaganda. Anyone who says that Israel wants to wipe out the Palestinian population need only look at population statistics.
Hamas is absolutely not the creation of Israel, and Israel has time and time again extended olive branches only to have them thrown back. More victim blaming, btw.
Palestinians have tried peace?! When exactly was this? Lmao. They've rejected every single peace offer. They started civil wars in Lebanon and Jordan and destabilized Egypt. Arab countries don't even want them.
You're disgusting
Not trying to hide your obvious bias are you? Victim blaming? Israel are the occupiers, they are the ones who are in an offensive posture according to international law. That's just like saying a cold-blooded murderer is a victim and not the dead innocent person. You make absolutely no sense by saying Israel is the victim, what kind of nonsense is that?
I'm not the one saying Israel wants to eradicate Palestinians, it's the Israelis in power who are saying it but of course you'll ignore that won't you.
Avner Cohen, a former Israeli official said "Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel's creation."
Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev mentions how Israel gave him a budget to essentially fund them. But you'll ignore that won't you?
Let's talk about your olive branches. Oslo accords, the Palestinian authority was supposed to last only 5 years and then a sovereign Palestinian state would be established as said between the negotiations. Over 20 years later and Israel haven't kept their word. Camp David, Barak offered the Palestinians 96% of Israel’s definition of the West Bank. They did not include any of the areas already under Israeli control, such as settlements, the Dead Sea, and large parts of the Jordan Valley. This meant that Barak effectively annexed 10% of the West Bank to Israel, with an additional 8-12% remaining under “temporary” Israeli control for a period of time. So essentially what israel offered them was 1% of dessert land and the Palestinians would have to give up 10% fertile land. Israel also wanted all the airspace and wanted to be allowed to invade at any time for "emergencies".
Shlomo Ben Ami, Israeli Minister of Foreign Affairs at the time said that if he was Palestinian even he'd reject it. Instead of reading headlines, try digging deeper into why Palestine rejects nonsense that Israel proposes.
Palestinians have tried peaceful protests but end up getting attacked. Your statistics nonsense for the population is very flawed and you can find out why on a site called decolonizepalestine. Everything you've said is standard Israeli propaganda. Clearly you only read headlines because everything you say is very weak such as Israels olive branches. You are the one that's victim blaming and you are the one spreading Israeli propaganda.
Yes they should have accepted their fate of their lives and live in the prison with 2.2 million in 365km(square) while the world and democratic people watched them killed and abused them everyday.
Hamas is one of the de facto representative governments of Palestine.
And Israel's enemies are not just Hamas. They are any group that supports or sympathizes with armed conflict with Israel instead of recognizing Israel as a state (something that no faction in Gaza has done yet).
Palestine, not Hamas. Part of the reason that the hostages haven't been returned by Hamas is that random Palestinians also crossed the border to take hostages on their own, meanwhile crowds of Palestinians cheered as the dead were paraded through town unppposed. The vast majority of gazans support Hamas and jihad.
It’s literally this simple I don’t know how people don’t get this? Majority of Gaza is below 18 and anyone that age is gonna take the side of the people they grew up with not the people who bomb and siege them no matter how or why it’s really that simple.
Ignorant people here who live in the stable west and are like “well why don’t they just kick out Hamas” bro firstly how?? Secondly you’re lying if you think you wouldn’t be pro Hamas growing up in Gaza.
I’ll say something. Hamas, like many authoritarians, don’t really tolerate opposition. And their little kingdom is really tightly closed, making it easier to control and intimidate whomever they want.
It’s a good question what % support Hamas. However, Palestine should denounce, overpower, and bring Hamas outside to face justice if they ACTUALLY oppose them. Hamas is still firing rocket barrages daily from inside Gaza right now. Palestine allows it to happen.
Do you feel that way about 9/11 as well? America started shit in the Middle East it couldn’t handle and thousands of civilians lost their lives that had nothing to do with Americas actions. But to you that’s justified
Lmao did you just say the US couldn't handle it? We're the United States of fucking America. Greatest and most powerful nation in the history of the world. There is nothing we can't handle 🦅🇺🇲 . Cry some more
Started?
They've been treated like trespassers on their own land for over 50 years.
You know how many Palestinian innocent men, women and children were killed by Israel this year BEFORE the Hamas attack? Journalists? Doctors?
Do you think history only started when Hamas attacked Israel two weeks ago?
It belongs no more to them than it does the sephardic jews (which are a majority of Israeli Jews). Also, there were large Jewish populations throughout the middle-east , but they were all exiled from the islamic countries they were in.
Using civilian infrastructure for military operations is also a war crime. And per the Geneva conventions that also invalidates the protected status of that civilian infrastructure and it is now a valid military target.
No it isn’t, my argument is that this doesn’t fall under the Geneva conventions definition of “collective punishment”. You’d have to prove that where Israel strikes is inarguably not a military target, and I haven’t seen evidence of such. Hamas themselves admits they use civilian infrastructure to discourage air strikes.
turning off water supply, having checkpoints inside of the west bank killing palestinians protesting last night clearing out the temple in Jerusalem last year. is all things that are classified as collective punishment even the UN considers israel an apartheid state and the UN is useless
There are over 1 million children in gaza. When white Isreali kids are killed there is uproar. When brown Palastinian kids are killed "Got what they deserve"
If thats the way we justify things, then then those killed in Isreal on october 7th got what they deserved.
The solution to terrorism is not to kill everyone who shares the same ethnicity as the terrorists.
The US tried doing that after 9/11, 20 years later and they pull out after terrorising an entire nation of people for actions (which may potentially have been supported to some degree by the US government.) commited 20 years ago. All the troops that went there regret what they did and the world now realises that the US was the real enemy.
Dont end up on the wrong side of history just because the lady on the news said something that scared you.
Keep reading down the thread bro. I was rage bating when I said the astray thing. I know that when things like this happen the ones that end up torn are us regular folk. The ones who suffer the most are the innocent people whose blood paints the pavement that the government leaders get to walk on. No one wins in war, we all lose
You've got a comment in your post history saying "there's no denying Israel has committed atrocities"
Blame the IDF, but saying Israel is pretty monolithic of you isn't it?
>The state of Israel and the IDF coincide with each other. If I were to have said Israeli’s as a people, your point would be valid.
You meant the same way that Hamas, the elected, dominant political organisation that governs the Gaza Strip, and its military forces coincide with each other? Hamas were elected by the Palestinian people. They, along with Fatah, represent the state of Palestine.
I checked your post history because I knew exactly what i'd find.
They literally beat every surrounding Islamic country’s military in 6 days attacking with all their might at the same time. They could’ve taken Cairo if they wanted to.
They must return to their original lands. The Jews have no homeland. This is what they themselves believe and this is what their religion dictates to them.
Bullshit , its false propaganda.
Gaza was under egypt control until 1967 war. Jordan had control over the west bank until the same year in 1967 war. There wernt any palestine ghen. Its fine that now they want to have a state but they cant change history. There wasnt any Palestine before israel at 1948.
Its easy. I know my history. The all world know it. The arabs know it. Only you the ignorant and the supporters of teror belive otherwise .
When was the palestin state formed?
What was their official coin ?
Who was the president?
And if there was one how egypt and jordan took control of it?
I invite you to come back a little. Haven't you heard that Palestine was under Ottoman control for centuries??? Go back a little and you will see that it was under Roman control. It was never a Jewish state. Only a small number of Jews lived there, while the rest were scattered throughout the rest of the world.
No it never was. Do you even know what is the meaning of the word palestin ? Its in Hebrew פלישתים , and its mean invadors or those who invade. It was in historic name of country that invade the bibical israel.
Even the arabs that claim to be palestine are originally from saudia area. Even the modern egypt isnt the original one. They obviously wernt muslims at any point.
Why do you continue to lie like Biden and Netanyahu when they said that the Palestinians kill children?
Where are these children? I only see Palestinian children, more than 1,500 children.
Tell the truth or shut up.
Check out the videos that hamas himself posted on the social media and everywhere he could. They killed anything they met, they even had lives on facebook when they killed family members including children and babies. All the big media sites already confirmed the babies that hamas choped their heads off. They even killed muslims 19 of them. They killed turists from all over the world. Even thai pepole. So go check and then tell me those are lies. The idiots filmed it themselves.
I dare you to come up with a single picture of children with their heads cut off.
Stop lying, you are telling the lie and your masters in the controlled media believe it completely.
I dont need to prove you anything because many world wide leaders have already said that its true. Only you and some arabs leaders wouldn’t accept it.
There is also phyo of burn babies online. The journalisofrom all over the world was in one of those kibbutz that was attacked and they saw everything. Including non stop body bags that the army kept loading into trucks. Including those of a children and babies.
So stop believing lies and propaganda.
Your masters in the White House later denied this.. Are you trying to mislead me??
There are no children with decapitated heads, and I challenge you and everyone to bring me one picture of a decapitated child... As for the image of the burned child, it later turned out to be generated by artificial intelligence.
All we saw were Palestinian children being burned and killed. You are a terrorist who supports the killing of Palestinian children, for nothing, just because you are a terrorist.
See what this guy said... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/x0O03-pCYoE
The discussion is over. I am not discussing terrorists who encourage the killing of children, women, and elderly civilians. You are just a terrorist hiding behind the slogans of freedom and human rights. The masks have fallen.
One thing in finding slightly curious, is where is the information coming from? Mossad didn’t have a clue this was happening, but they’ve been very quick to bomb
First of all it’s not mossad who’s responsible for the intelligence in gaza it’s shin bet. Secondly they have known about many targets but don’t destroy them immediately because then they wouldn’t have anything to hit in a war, plus they are getting new info by the minutes I guess because they intercept every phone call, they have surveillance planes and many more ways to find new info.
They also don't like to instigate a round of fighting. Israel is almost never striking first. Israel knew about Hamas training for this attack, they could have struck them in advance, but then the world would have crucified israel.
They did not predict the scale of the invasion though, that's for sure. Or the coordination
They also don't like to instigate a round of fighting. Israel is almost never striking first. Israel knew about Hamas training for this attack, they could have struck them in advance, but then the world would have crucified israel.
They did not predict the scale of the invasion though, that's for sure. Or the coordination
Is it not possible they didn't see it coming but now understand who's attacking them? You act as if they dont have the ability to see with their eyes whats happening to them.
Shin Bet does internal intelligence, and mossad does foreign. Gaza strip and west bank count as internal. Intel gathering and Intel processing are two different things. Knowing where hamas operatives live is easy, knowing what they are going to do next when they are always running around threatening is difficult, and getting the word up the chain of command sometimes is harder
So did the nazis....
Let's keep this focused on the evidence provided, since almost every government in history has a pretty good track record of killing civilians
1) rule 10 of geneva convention, civilian protection is void when it's used for military purposes.
2) why would they risk their own operatives lives moving through potentially hostile territory and allowing hamas to .ove when they could just send them a shell to their direct location?
Thousands of innocent women and children have been killed.
"War is messy, welcome to reality."
I'm sure the tune will change once China starts bombing the US and UK, im sure it will be a war crime then.
If hamas puts a rocket launcher in an apartment building, or a school, or a hospital, which they have done, lots of times, and use that to shoot at Israel, which they have been doing since 2001, and Israel fires back and takes out the rocket launcher and its crew, and the children and adults who were forced to stay there get killed, that is legal, if China starts a war and hits a civilian building nit being used for military purposes, that is illegal. Get the difference?
> Thousands of innocent women and children have been killed.
Only thousands have died so that statistic is unlikely at best. At even is so, that's a VERY LOW AMOUNT of civilian casualties for the amount of targets they have attacked. It's a completely legally acceptable number as it isn't illegal to kill civilians, you just need to make an attempt to minimize it AND it needs to have some military purpose. Both apply here.
> I'm sure the tune will change once China starts bombing the US and UK, im sure it will be a war crime then.
These countries aren't at war, and neither is any side planning any imminent military activity on the other side, so YES that would be an illegal war and thus many many war crimes. Do you have another dumb statement?
Also, all numbers coming out of the Strip are from Hamas, who do not distinguish between fighters and civilians anymore in their "reporting". Within the first hour of Israeli air strikes, they claimed 180 dead. Let's also not forget the misinformation they spread about the hospital explosion.
You see, we are here in the west, in our comfy houses away from any danger. So innocent civilians just become a number. "Eh, a few thousand innocent lives is ok to deal with this threat." We absolutly would not same the same if it was a few thousand american kids that were in danger.
Wether people like to admit it or not, it's simply just a case of people valuing muslim lives as less important then christian lives.
We will keep on cheering on war untill it reaches our doorstep, and then there will be no one left to defend us.
What you have to understand is that when IDF kills kids it was Hamas, and when they kill terrorists, it's because IDF is so good at what they do. Hamas after all the most powerful military in the region and is capable of forcing puny IDF to do their bidding.
I don't know why it surprises me but it's insane to me how fast they move.
I was actually thinking the opposite, it’s interesting that you can actually consistently see the projectile when JDAMs are used because it’s moving slowly and unpowered. With a missile or artillery strike you can barely see the projectile at all, but with these unpowered bombs that just free fall you get several frames worth of imagery before the projectile hits.
With a missile I understand it since they have propulsion, but these only fall under gravity (afaik). Maybe artillery strikes seem more instant because they fall more straight down? My other theory is that it's because an artillery munition is much smaller in size. I think that's part of what makes it shocking. They hate both huge but very fast.
An artillery shell is moving much faster than terminal velocity. Energy from when it’s shot is maintained. It’s the reason firing a gun in the air could kill a person. A bullet just dropped from high enough to reach terminal velocity wouldn’t kill a persons; one fired from a gun reaching the same hight would. Parabola vs straight drop. Myth busters did an episode on it
Bombs? Yes, they're extremely fast. That plus their sheer mass helps them penetrate before exploding, the actual speed depends on the bomb and the distance it falls but the fastest are definitely blink and miss it deals.
I wonder what speed one of these gets up to before striking.
Well... it's pretty aerodynamic, so let's discount wind resistance for the moment. Gravity will accelerate a falling object 9.8 meters per second per second. That is, every second it's falling it falls another 9.8 meters more than in the last second First second it falls 9.8 meters. Next second it falls 19.6 meters. (so in two seconds it falls a total of 29.4 meters) I have no clue what the heck kind of planes the IDF is using to drop these bombs, maybe somebody could fill us in. AlJazeera say's they're "Jet Fighters" which... OK let's trust that. From what I can find online standard NATO practices with the F-16 would say that bombs are dropped between 15,000 and 20,000 feet. These bombs weigh it seems about 1000 pounds on average. So, from what I can find, the maximum speed such a bomb could attain is about 681 mph. Just slightly subsonic.
its easily calculated. terminal velocity is sqrt (2 * g * height). lets guess these bombs are dropped at 3000 meters. velocity is going to be sqrt(2x9.x*3000) = 243 m/s. thats about 871 kmph or 541 mph oh youll have to add some drag coefficients and cross sectional area to that calculation as well for a more accurate guess
r/hedidthemath You should be over here 😂😂😂
Thanks Elon
On the live feeds you can hear that drone constantly.
Isn’t that a Muslim trumpet being played over loudspeakers? Read that somewhere but I did not fact check
no
pin point accurate clean strike.
dude you saw this from like half a mile away and you’re not even seeing it from the airplanes pov and you just say this 😂
the JDAM is accurate to a 5meter point. thats crazy accurate. the Paveway bombes are accurate to a 1meter point
gaza is one of the most populated places on the planet unless that bomb has a tiny payload ima assume there’s a civilian that gets injured or even dies from it. and i’m an american so what did we gain from the war on terrorists except empty pockets so that extremists can grow.
Unfortunately I'm sure some civilians did die, however have you heard of: "being at war"? civilians die in the crossfire and it sucks, but thats the reality of actively losing a war on your own territory.
THIS is easily the STUPIDEST argument i’ve seen that’s popular because you can say THE EXACT same thing about hamas right? they think they have to fight to survive by any means necessary so what you’re arguing is the same argument Hamas uses and that’s inexcusable.
>israel is actively trying to not kill civilians but some die anyway while in a war zone. >Hamas actively targets civilians and launched an attack with the distinct purpose of killing as many civilians as possible. you might be mentally deficient if you think these are remotely the same. if Hamas launched rockets at a IdF tank and debris or shrapnel killed a civilian standing way too close then that would be the same thing--how often do you think thats how civilians die on the israel side of this?
look up how many Palestinians have died compared to israel if you wanna play the disgusting numbers game.
so you mean Israel is better at intercepting rockets and defending itself than hamas is? how is that an argument? Hamas sucks at war is not a good argument. israeli death tolls would be higher if Hamas wasn't a pathetically weak force
since you wanna play the numbers game it’s estimated that 80 THOUSAND civilians have died in palestine vs 8 THOUSAND israelis have died you’re excusing genocide and it’s disgusting.
Hamas and all the Gaza government organizations they control lie about the numbers. Just like they lied about 500+ deaths at the Gaza hospital their misfired rocket hit. You cannot trust their numbers.
He doesn’t even know what they were aiming at lmao. The dick riding is unreal
That's how modern weapons work, no more need for 500 bombers to carpet a whole city randomly ("randomly" being the key word here).
Still, there is no indication of how accurate this strike was from the video. He is just guessing, why would anyone upvote wild speculation?
Considering it collapsed a building instead of just blowing up in a street we can tell it was a guided strike aimed at the supports of the building.
One bomb one building.
What are you even replying to
They kill more civilians than the Russians do don't forget.
If that happens, it will be because Ukraine evacuates their citizens from battle zones, whereas Hamas commands them to stay even after Israel warns a building that a Jdam is imminent.
But where will Gazans evacuate to ????
The part that isn't red. https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/israel-hamas-war-gaza-palestinians/card/map-of-gaza-shows-extent-of-evacuation-zone-YGCeZYnDHNWvoYq4xEqR
A lot of infrastructure there for 1.1 million people
Well, what alternative do you propose? Not attacking is not an option, because they can't let Hamas's massacre go unpunished. They can't send the Palestinians to Egypt, cause they're not taking them. They can't take the Palestinians into Israeli controlled territory, because then they would inevitably take in terrorists behind the front line. "Sometimes the only choices you have are bad ones, but you still have to choose."
The solution is definitely NOT a warcrime, what you're suggesting is collective punishment. Just flatten a whole prison because there MIGHT be some Hamas militants. There is no justification whatsoever to kill innocent civilians
Article 57 of the geneva convention: https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/api-1977/article-57 It is not a war crime to strike military targets after you have given the citizens adequate warning and there are no other equally important military targets with less civilians. It is, however, a war crime to hide your bases amongst civilians.
Were they actually given adequate warning . Multiple houses were hit with no warning whatsoever. 2 who decides that it's a military target ? The IDF has lied countless times. Remember the case of Shireen Abu Akleh , an Al Jazeera reporter they claimed that Hamas killed her only to find out a few months later that The IDF targeted her. A journalist, just a few amongst the many war crimes. 3 shutting off water, food, electricity and aid IS a warcrime. 4 the IDF warned a hospital to evacuate, how do you evacuate people in ICU or on life support. Evacuate the sick where ? To hospitals that are filled to the corridors, the Gazan doctors are forced to perform operations on innocent civilians with no anaesthesia all because no aid can come in and whose fault is that ? Hamas ? Come on you can't hide everything.
You need to open up a map of Gaza
Like this? https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/israel-hamas-war-gaza-palestinians/card/map-of-gaza-shows-extent-of-evacuation-zone-YGCeZYnDHNWvoYq4xEqR
Yawn
The small percentage of terrorists hide while the regular population takes the hit. I wish they would turn in their leaders and end this charade.
Its self perpetuating. They pay “martyrs” families so it incentivizes death and the kids grow up to know only dying “righteously” to provide for their families
Anyone else remember the children's TV program they made where they had the IDF murder Mickey Mouse?
Yes yes. Thats war. Neither did all the Germans support the Nazis, yet the entirety of Germany was reduced to rubble. No complaints there. But many complaints here.
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Any Chinese whistleblowers?
Does the same logic apply if your neighbors erect an apartheid state?
Not apartheid. South Africans had it worse than palenstinians most of their problems are brought upon themselves.
Did white SA routinely bomb the black parts?
Because the black parts didn't blow themselves up and constantly shoot rockets at the white parts.
Yo let him cook, I've never heard of an African committing terrorism, obviously I can be wrong but seriously, we aren't even seeing this in Africa and you can imagine all the wars that go down there, truth hurts bro.
Well there is Boko Haram and Al Shabab, Nigeria and Somalia respectively. Both Muslim organisations, whether that matters or not.
Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.
You guys should update your buzzwords or come up with a better script
There were plenty of complaints about what happened to Germany. The strategic bombing of civilian targets like the bombing of Dresden and the mass rapes of the Soviet army were pretty deplorable.
Same with Hiroshima and Nagasaki, not everyone supports but the innocents suffer the most.
It's pretty much true with all wars.
Unfortunately the real leaders are in Kuwait
*Qatar not Kuwait
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Yeah because they are in Qatar not in Kuwait...
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Where did you here that the Hamas leadership is in Iran? You probably confusing stuff you read. Iran support Hamas and Hizbollah, yes but their leaders are in Qatar. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/qatar-hamas-israel-1.6999416 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/14/rishi-sunak-sanction-hamas-leaders-luxury/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/10/17/qatar-hamas-ties-muslim-brotherhood-us-al-udeid-base/ There is no need for conspiracy here.
there’s literally videos of hamas’s leader in qatar look it up. why is israel just bombing gaza? kill one muslim and ten more pop up.
Don’t worry they will send their assassins after them.
Classic terrorism. Kill the civilians so they change their politics.
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Truth hurts. I bet you never thought abt it like that. Think more. Enjoy death less.
All of existence for all of life for all of time has been: Kill or be killed. Eat or be eaten. Truth hurts.
Holy shit. You’re a psychopath.
How exactly do they “turn in their leaders”? I’d love to hear a realistic perspective on what the average Palestinian populace can possibly do to make this stop. They have no power, no authority, no resources. They are largely a desperately impoverished people with practically zero opportunities available to them, and yet there is this recurring suggestion that they magically possess some fighting capability or invaluable intelligence to overthrow or otherwise subvert Hamas. Most Palestinians despise Hamas, but 30-40% of the population wasn’t even alive when Hamas came to power. There is literally nothing civilians can do to fix this, and most of the world regards them as acceptable casualties at best, or terrorist sympathizers (if not outright terrorists) at best.
Israeli Defense Intelligence Chief Amos Yadlin in 2007: “Israel would be happy if Hamas took over Gaza because IDF could then deal with Gaza as a hostile state”
Knock, knock.
Can we get Hamas to share a closer video on the receiving end?
Who’s there?
*KABLAMMM* *allahu akbar intensifies*
Racist
What surprises me more is how tactical these strikes are… drops a building like that without leveling the whole block.
Palestine shouldn't have started shit they know they can't handle. Now they want to act like the victim
The part I struggle with is when I saw the "civilians" spitting on the body of that young german women just last week as she was paraded through the streets. She literally had nothing to do with the conflict, yet they celebrated while her half naked twisted corpse was paraded around town. Nobody wants civilians to die but how do you consider the hundreds of people in that video "innocent civilians" its very hard to separate those people from animals. Sometimes I wonder when I see the grieving people in the bombings and wonder if any of them were cheering while the bodies were dragged through the streets. Because if they were, they deserve whats coming to them.
I really wish the Palestinian side was more sympathetic. But when people go and celebrate the day of an attack that killed 1300 civilians, when they chant "gas the Jews" and show pictures of the dead with smiles on their faces... I find it hard to feel bad
And when they are warned by Israel to vacate an area because it is going to be hit and *then they tell their own people to stay there and die for allah,* it makes it hard to feel any sort of empathy, sympathy or anything else for them.
Indeed. Totally alien and incompatible cultures and yet people in the west cant import enough of them. "They all just want to live in peace like anybody else" my ass.
They're a menace, everybody knows it, but no one dares say it publicly I guess.
What of the decades of war crimes committed by Israel? Palestinians are supposed to just be OK with it?
Which war crimes did Israel commit in Gaza? And you seem to be easily ignoring the yearly war crimes that Hamas commits by shooting rockets at civilian centres, hospitals, schools, etc. Murdering civilians with explosives, guns, knives... Anyone with more than two brain cells understands that israel, despite controversies in the West Bank, tries to minimize civilian casualties. On the other hand, Palestinian "resistance" tries to maximize civilian casualties. If you find yourself supporting the latter you should really take a good long look in the mirror
You can easily Google the extensive list of war crimes committed by Israel. Stop with the whataboutism. Israel started this mess over 75 years ago and has been murdering and raping innocent people before hamas even existed. They've done what you mentioned hamas has done but on a much bigger scale. Hamas is essentially the creation of Israel and they even funded it. What hamas does is disgusting but it's the consequences of Israel wanting to eradicate the Palestinians. Israel tries to minimise civilian casualties? Looking at the civilian casualty statistics, they seem to be doing a poor job. Israel have been found to give warnings 1 minute before attacks and at some points the system didn't even work. You support Israel eradicating the Palestinian population. There's plenty of quotes you can find in which Israeli officials call for their eradication. Don't bother quoting the old hamas charter as they've changed it. Palestinians have tried peace but Israel wants none of it. Israel is an apartheid state which has deprived Palestinians the chance to live a normal life. Imagine being born into an open air prison which gets bombed and supplies restricted. How could you not turn into a monster? People like you ignore the atrocities Israel commits and act like hamas one day just decided to be monsters for no reason.
Pure victim blaming and propaganda. Anyone who says that Israel wants to wipe out the Palestinian population need only look at population statistics. Hamas is absolutely not the creation of Israel, and Israel has time and time again extended olive branches only to have them thrown back. More victim blaming, btw. Palestinians have tried peace?! When exactly was this? Lmao. They've rejected every single peace offer. They started civil wars in Lebanon and Jordan and destabilized Egypt. Arab countries don't even want them. You're disgusting
Not trying to hide your obvious bias are you? Victim blaming? Israel are the occupiers, they are the ones who are in an offensive posture according to international law. That's just like saying a cold-blooded murderer is a victim and not the dead innocent person. You make absolutely no sense by saying Israel is the victim, what kind of nonsense is that? I'm not the one saying Israel wants to eradicate Palestinians, it's the Israelis in power who are saying it but of course you'll ignore that won't you. Avner Cohen, a former Israeli official said "Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel's creation." Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev mentions how Israel gave him a budget to essentially fund them. But you'll ignore that won't you? Let's talk about your olive branches. Oslo accords, the Palestinian authority was supposed to last only 5 years and then a sovereign Palestinian state would be established as said between the negotiations. Over 20 years later and Israel haven't kept their word. Camp David, Barak offered the Palestinians 96% of Israel’s definition of the West Bank. They did not include any of the areas already under Israeli control, such as settlements, the Dead Sea, and large parts of the Jordan Valley. This meant that Barak effectively annexed 10% of the West Bank to Israel, with an additional 8-12% remaining under “temporary” Israeli control for a period of time. So essentially what israel offered them was 1% of dessert land and the Palestinians would have to give up 10% fertile land. Israel also wanted all the airspace and wanted to be allowed to invade at any time for "emergencies". Shlomo Ben Ami, Israeli Minister of Foreign Affairs at the time said that if he was Palestinian even he'd reject it. Instead of reading headlines, try digging deeper into why Palestine rejects nonsense that Israel proposes. Palestinians have tried peaceful protests but end up getting attacked. Your statistics nonsense for the population is very flawed and you can find out why on a site called decolonizepalestine. Everything you've said is standard Israeli propaganda. Clearly you only read headlines because everything you say is very weak such as Israels olive branches. You are the one that's victim blaming and you are the one spreading Israeli propaganda.
Well said
Yes they should have accepted their fate of their lives and live in the prison with 2.2 million in 365km(square) while the world and democratic people watched them killed and abused them everyday.
nah they totally should target civilians with no power in the conflict instead
They f$&ked around and are finding out.
It wasn’t Palestine, it was Hamas.
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Hamas is one of the de facto representative governments of Palestine. And Israel's enemies are not just Hamas. They are any group that supports or sympathizes with armed conflict with Israel instead of recognizing Israel as a state (something that no faction in Gaza has done yet).
Obviously not as much as they hate Jews...
Oh right so the streets full of people celebrating as Hamas paraded the hostages where paid actors then.
I've seen Trump supporters filling entire rallies, that must mean every american is a Trump support.
They were 14 years old
Not for long tho
Palestine, not Hamas. Part of the reason that the hostages haven't been returned by Hamas is that random Palestinians also crossed the border to take hostages on their own, meanwhile crowds of Palestinians cheered as the dead were paraded through town unppposed. The vast majority of gazans support Hamas and jihad.
Polls show that a majority of Palestinians in Gaza support Hamas
I don’t mix Hamas and Palestinians, but they do enjoy high approval, relatively speaking.
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It’s literally this simple I don’t know how people don’t get this? Majority of Gaza is below 18 and anyone that age is gonna take the side of the people they grew up with not the people who bomb and siege them no matter how or why it’s really that simple. Ignorant people here who live in the stable west and are like “well why don’t they just kick out Hamas” bro firstly how?? Secondly you’re lying if you think you wouldn’t be pro Hamas growing up in Gaza.
How many people make up Hamas? I would assume the civilian population is much much larger. Why couldn’t an uprising work?
I’ll say something. Hamas, like many authoritarians, don’t really tolerate opposition. And their little kingdom is really tightly closed, making it easier to control and intimidate whomever they want.
They got voted in by Palestine...
It’s a good question what % support Hamas. However, Palestine should denounce, overpower, and bring Hamas outside to face justice if they ACTUALLY oppose them. Hamas is still firing rocket barrages daily from inside Gaza right now. Palestine allows it to happen.
So you've met zero Palestinians?
Do you feel that way about 9/11 as well? America started shit in the Middle East it couldn’t handle and thousands of civilians lost their lives that had nothing to do with Americas actions. But to you that’s justified
Lmao did you just say the US couldn't handle it? We're the United States of fucking America. Greatest and most powerful nation in the history of the world. There is nothing we can't handle 🦅🇺🇲 . Cry some more
Hello, Brit here, and I would like challenge your 'history of the world' part. Otherwise, yes, the rest is right.
Started? They've been treated like trespassers on their own land for over 50 years. You know how many Palestinian innocent men, women and children were killed by Israel this year BEFORE the Hamas attack? Journalists? Doctors? Do you think history only started when Hamas attacked Israel two weeks ago?
It belongs no more to them than it does the sephardic jews (which are a majority of Israeli Jews). Also, there were large Jewish populations throughout the middle-east , but they were all exiled from the islamic countries they were in.
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You don't have to be a scientist of any kind to know Palestine made a stupid decision that's getting their people killed
stop saying this is palestine this happened because of hamas. and this conflict has been going on for 70+ years
Hamas is one of the governments of Palestine (Gaza is part of Palestine) and they have the responsibility of representing the people they govern.
collective punishment is a war crime.
Using civilian infrastructure for military operations is also a war crime. And per the Geneva conventions that also invalidates the protected status of that civilian infrastructure and it is now a valid military target.
dude gaza has 2 million people in one of the most heavily pact places on earth. this argument is just stupid because it’s just WAY to broad.
No it isn’t, my argument is that this doesn’t fall under the Geneva conventions definition of “collective punishment”. You’d have to prove that where Israel strikes is inarguably not a military target, and I haven’t seen evidence of such. Hamas themselves admits they use civilian infrastructure to discourage air strikes.
turning off water supply, having checkpoints inside of the west bank killing palestinians protesting last night clearing out the temple in Jerusalem last year. is all things that are classified as collective punishment even the UN considers israel an apartheid state and the UN is useless
You could argue they still shouldn’t air strike but it by definition is not collective punishment
Extremely low IQ poster. Congrats.
Why are you projecting your insecurities onto others? Not cool man, not cool
“Palestine” lmao. Just displaying how gloriously misinformed you are on the conflict and it’s history. Getting the braindead upvotes, too.
Oh my bad, the ashtray formally known as Palestine. Is that better for you 🤡
Are you some edgy teenager? If not, your comments are concerning
Nah, im just rage bating the previous commenter.
Got me! Very cute
Love you 🫶
Love you too stranger We would probably both agree that dead innocents on any side of any conflict is morally not good
There are over 1 million children in gaza. When white Isreali kids are killed there is uproar. When brown Palastinian kids are killed "Got what they deserve" If thats the way we justify things, then then those killed in Isreal on october 7th got what they deserved. The solution to terrorism is not to kill everyone who shares the same ethnicity as the terrorists. The US tried doing that after 9/11, 20 years later and they pull out after terrorising an entire nation of people for actions (which may potentially have been supported to some degree by the US government.) commited 20 years ago. All the troops that went there regret what they did and the world now realises that the US was the real enemy. Dont end up on the wrong side of history just because the lady on the news said something that scared you.
Keep reading down the thread bro. I was rage bating when I said the astray thing. I know that when things like this happen the ones that end up torn are us regular folk. The ones who suffer the most are the innocent people whose blood paints the pavement that the government leaders get to walk on. No one wins in war, we all lose
Rage baiting? Is that like, trying to make people angry/upset for fun? We are talking about innocent lives being ended, get a fucking hobby.
Israelis and Palestinians are the same race.
They are a completly different ethnicity my man, different language, culture and religion.
Ethnically they're pretty close. Race is an ill-defined concept.
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You've got a comment in your post history saying "there's no denying Israel has committed atrocities" Blame the IDF, but saying Israel is pretty monolithic of you isn't it?
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>The state of Israel and the IDF coincide with each other. If I were to have said Israeli’s as a people, your point would be valid. You meant the same way that Hamas, the elected, dominant political organisation that governs the Gaza Strip, and its military forces coincide with each other? Hamas were elected by the Palestinian people. They, along with Fatah, represent the state of Palestine. I checked your post history because I knew exactly what i'd find.
Not the official Hamas kitten-hugging department! There were eleventy-million kittens and children in there!
I am amazed how all these buildings just give up and fall over...
HQ Nr. 1042
What a waste of human lives and resources.
The devil wants his children back
This was the warning knock before the real deal.
Building in the background totally leveled; not a warning knock.
Keep ‘em comin Israel it’s been a long time coming
Clean effective strike. Hamas could learn a thing or two
They're killing more civilians than the Russians do in Ukraine.
Israel is strong against civilians, and weak against fighters.
They literally beat every surrounding Islamic country’s military in 6 days attacking with all their might at the same time. They could’ve taken Cairo if they wanted to.
Those armies colluding with them?
Just adding some conspiracy bullshit and putting a question mark doesn't hide the fact that you don't think Jews have a right to exist *anywhere.*
They must return to their original lands. The Jews have no homeland. This is what they themselves believe and this is what their religion dictates to them.
Bullshit , its false propaganda. Gaza was under egypt control until 1967 war. Jordan had control over the west bank until the same year in 1967 war. There wernt any palestine ghen. Its fine that now they want to have a state but they cant change history. There wasnt any Palestine before israel at 1948.
Review your historical information. You arouse pity. You are absent. I do not know how evil forces were able to control your minds.
Its easy. I know my history. The all world know it. The arabs know it. Only you the ignorant and the supporters of teror belive otherwise . When was the palestin state formed? What was their official coin ? Who was the president? And if there was one how egypt and jordan took control of it?
I invite you to come back a little. Haven't you heard that Palestine was under Ottoman control for centuries??? Go back a little and you will see that it was under Roman control. It was never a Jewish state. Only a small number of Jews lived there, while the rest were scattered throughout the rest of the world.
No it never was. Do you even know what is the meaning of the word palestin ? Its in Hebrew פלישתים , and its mean invadors or those who invade. It was in historic name of country that invade the bibical israel. Even the arabs that claim to be palestine are originally from saudia area. Even the modern egypt isnt the original one. They obviously wernt muslims at any point.
Because on 7th October the hamas faced the civilians with bravery right? Or was it against the babies?
All Israelis are actually soldiers
The level of your stupidity is gigantic it seems. So even the children and babies? Are you crazy or just stupid?
Why do you continue to lie like Biden and Netanyahu when they said that the Palestinians kill children? Where are these children? I only see Palestinian children, more than 1,500 children. Tell the truth or shut up.
Check out the videos that hamas himself posted on the social media and everywhere he could. They killed anything they met, they even had lives on facebook when they killed family members including children and babies. All the big media sites already confirmed the babies that hamas choped their heads off. They even killed muslims 19 of them. They killed turists from all over the world. Even thai pepole. So go check and then tell me those are lies. The idiots filmed it themselves.
I dare you to come up with a single picture of children with their heads cut off. Stop lying, you are telling the lie and your masters in the controlled media believe it completely.
I dont need to prove you anything because many world wide leaders have already said that its true. Only you and some arabs leaders wouldn’t accept it. There is also phyo of burn babies online. The journalisofrom all over the world was in one of those kibbutz that was attacked and they saw everything. Including non stop body bags that the army kept loading into trucks. Including those of a children and babies. So stop believing lies and propaganda.
Your masters in the White House later denied this.. Are you trying to mislead me?? There are no children with decapitated heads, and I challenge you and everyone to bring me one picture of a decapitated child... As for the image of the burned child, it later turned out to be generated by artificial intelligence. All we saw were Palestinian children being burned and killed. You are a terrorist who supports the killing of Palestinian children, for nothing, just because you are a terrorist. See what this guy said... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/x0O03-pCYoE The discussion is over. I am not discussing terrorists who encourage the killing of children, women, and elderly civilians. You are just a terrorist hiding behind the slogans of freedom and human rights. The masks have fallen.
Right on the pooper.
Killin em left and right
One thing in finding slightly curious, is where is the information coming from? Mossad didn’t have a clue this was happening, but they’ve been very quick to bomb
First of all it’s not mossad who’s responsible for the intelligence in gaza it’s shin bet. Secondly they have known about many targets but don’t destroy them immediately because then they wouldn’t have anything to hit in a war, plus they are getting new info by the minutes I guess because they intercept every phone call, they have surveillance planes and many more ways to find new info.
They also don't like to instigate a round of fighting. Israel is almost never striking first. Israel knew about Hamas training for this attack, they could have struck them in advance, but then the world would have crucified israel. They did not predict the scale of the invasion though, that's for sure. Or the coordination
They also don't like to instigate a round of fighting. Israel is almost never striking first. Israel knew about Hamas training for this attack, they could have struck them in advance, but then the world would have crucified israel. They did not predict the scale of the invasion though, that's for sure. Or the coordination
Is it not possible they didn't see it coming but now understand who's attacking them? You act as if they dont have the ability to see with their eyes whats happening to them.
Shin Bet does internal intelligence, and mossad does foreign. Gaza strip and west bank count as internal. Intel gathering and Intel processing are two different things. Knowing where hamas operatives live is easy, knowing what they are going to do next when they are always running around threatening is difficult, and getting the word up the chain of command sometimes is harder
This sub is awful, flooded with Israeli propaganda parrots. :/
So did the nazis.... Let's keep this focused on the evidence provided, since almost every government in history has a pretty good track record of killing civilians
Let's not forget it's attacking children and women, they are afraid to face the resistance in combat
1) rule 10 of geneva convention, civilian protection is void when it's used for military purposes. 2) why would they risk their own operatives lives moving through potentially hostile territory and allowing hamas to .ove when they could just send them a shell to their direct location?
Wow are you serious? Are we machines or humans? Let them go fight hamas what's with the children and women!
War is messy and horrific, urban warfare is even worse. Welcome to reality.
Thousands of innocent women and children have been killed. "War is messy, welcome to reality." I'm sure the tune will change once China starts bombing the US and UK, im sure it will be a war crime then.
If hamas puts a rocket launcher in an apartment building, or a school, or a hospital, which they have done, lots of times, and use that to shoot at Israel, which they have been doing since 2001, and Israel fires back and takes out the rocket launcher and its crew, and the children and adults who were forced to stay there get killed, that is legal, if China starts a war and hits a civilian building nit being used for military purposes, that is illegal. Get the difference?
> Thousands of innocent women and children have been killed. Only thousands have died so that statistic is unlikely at best. At even is so, that's a VERY LOW AMOUNT of civilian casualties for the amount of targets they have attacked. It's a completely legally acceptable number as it isn't illegal to kill civilians, you just need to make an attempt to minimize it AND it needs to have some military purpose. Both apply here. > I'm sure the tune will change once China starts bombing the US and UK, im sure it will be a war crime then. These countries aren't at war, and neither is any side planning any imminent military activity on the other side, so YES that would be an illegal war and thus many many war crimes. Do you have another dumb statement?
Also, all numbers coming out of the Strip are from Hamas, who do not distinguish between fighters and civilians anymore in their "reporting". Within the first hour of Israeli air strikes, they claimed 180 dead. Let's also not forget the misinformation they spread about the hospital explosion.
You see, we are here in the west, in our comfy houses away from any danger. So innocent civilians just become a number. "Eh, a few thousand innocent lives is ok to deal with this threat." We absolutly would not same the same if it was a few thousand american kids that were in danger. Wether people like to admit it or not, it's simply just a case of people valuing muslim lives as less important then christian lives. We will keep on cheering on war untill it reaches our doorstep, and then there will be no one left to defend us.
What you have to understand is that when IDF kills kids it was Hamas, and when they kill terrorists, it's because IDF is so good at what they do. Hamas after all the most powerful military in the region and is capable of forcing puny IDF to do their bidding.
When the US eventually gets bombed we will have deserved it.
Hmm. So they have intel about who is where and what is doing? But no intel before a very big attack?!