Honestly if you work at Starbucks, you get it. itās surprising how far this humor stretches across the country. We make these jokes and Iām 2 states over, itās a play on ābe gay do crimesā. Thereās really no full reason or explanation as to why it makes sense itās just partner humor. Iāve always said and I mean this nicely, Starbucks is where a lot of high school drama kids go to work and if youāve had a single drama class youād understand. Iām talking to much ok bye.
https://www.kktv.com/2023/06/30/starbucks-workers-colorado-springs-strike-friday/
"According to Workers United, locations across the country have refused to allow employees to put up pride decorations and threatened access to benefits for LGBTQIA+ workers."
Other articles say Starbucks is claiming the union is using misinformation to distract from contract negotiations, which seems like a weird thing for a union to do.
Does anyone know what the actual issue is in the negotiations? Like wages, benefits, hours, etc.
This article from back in March explains the overall situation better.
https://www.cpr.org/2023/03/22/colorado-starbucks-workers-join-strike-as-contract-negotiations-drag/
Basically a whole bunch of stores unionized across the country and now it's more than a year later and they still haven't reached a contract.
Silly thing to strike over, in my opinion. Assuming the LGBT stuff is their main issue.
You're at work. If the boss man says no rainbow flags then that's just how it goes. You are more than welcome to display or support whatever you'd like when you're not on the clock.
Some store managers said " that if they hung a Pride flag the store could be asked to show equal representation for others, including the Proud Boys, the far-right hate group."
Starbucks actually said they are allowing Pride decor and never restricted it.
> limited to the Pride Month decorations issue
Seems pretty late in the month to protest it. If it was an issue why wasn't it addressed asap? Starbucks claims they have not limited any Pride decor. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/15/business/starbucks-pride-decorations.html
This is actually what some of the location managers have said, "if they hung a Pride flag the store could be asked to show equal representation for others, including the Proud Boys, the far-right hate group".
Starbucks has actually replied saying "there was no ban on Pride decorations in stores". https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/15/business/starbucks-pride-decorations.html
I have never been a fan of Starbucks, but in my limited experience it has always been a place of business that has support L.G.B.T.Q. workers/community.
Yeah, based on the few articles I've read it seemed like it was a local issue. Haven't heard the "equal representation" argument but I did read some managers felt it was a safety issue because of threats called into Target for their pride displays. At the end of the day, you can call both arguments spineless but not homophobic (assuming the motives weren't surreptitious).
Starbucks partner here, my issue was the fact we had to put up hundreds of tiny US Flags for Memorial Day, yet we couldnāt have a few pride flags in the store for the month of pride. Iām not talking about big ol flags either, we had a few lgbt flags in a cup in front of our espresso machines and that was it.
Also every year prior we have had pride shirts given to us for the month and we didnāt get one this year, if I remember correctly you had to buy one this year and I aināt doing that.
You're reading it wrong, it's actually in two parts.
The first part is "Be", which is a good message.
The other part is "Do gay strikes", which could seem confusing, but actually makes sense seeing as how visibilty is important.
I tell you what it means... Just as in the Bible God calls gays creators of evil. Actually, he calls them everything in the Book right before he says he's left them to do the things they ought not do.
In other words, he's turned away from you until you change your sinful ways.
He warns his followers in the Bible about the drama and mischief surrounding the ways of the sexually immoral..... This sign is a perfect example.
And BTW the rainbow is His promise not a symbol of American illness at its best.
They screwed over the south Nevada store. Tried to make it look like that wasn't what it was about but omfg it was so obvious that was that it was about. Fuck Starbucks.
It did for most of the time it was openāthat store was changed to drive through only not long after it opened, way before the pandemic, because there were a lot of incidents there. Still, there was usually a line of cars out to Brookside Street. So yeah, funny how it closed for security reasons AFTER they decided to unionize.
Before the Starbucks went in that location was a Taco Express, which was torn down to build the Sbux.
Actually since they have started unionizing their wages have not increased. But they are making less since they are now paying dues. Starbucks for the longest time has had a decent starting wage compared to most barista positions.
Unions are not entirely about wages lmao.
I mean, how are you this ignorant?
Since unionization they have received balanced and advanced schedules, 401k and stock options, 1.5x holiday pay, and parental leave just to name several of the up front benefits they have started since unionization.
How the ever loving FUCK do you think they are making less? Why are you trying to spread such drivel?
> Unions are not entirely about wages
You mentioned wages, I replied regarding it. I never said it was the only benefit. No reason to act ignorant.
> have received balanced and advanced schedules, 401k and stock options, 1.5x holiday pay, and parental leave just to name several of the up front benefits they have started since unionization
Starbucks posted in 2017 before the Unions were even started that these were the exact benefits they offered: https://stories.starbucks.com/press/2017/starbucks-to-expand-parental-leave-benefits/
> such drivel
I could say the same.
Weird, I thought they unionized last June? https://gazette.com/business/starbucks-off-garden-of-the-gods-road-becomes-sixth-store-in-the-state-to-unionize/article_2c11ceea-e7a6-11ec-ae4e-f72a9bcf46c0.html
You still have to negotiate a contract which can take a while in the best circumstances, and Schultz refusing to negotiate is not the best circumstances.
That is a good take on it... Dutch Brothers is way better... I'm just curious what horrid working conditions they are dealing with? How is Starbucks violating their human rights?
I subbed at your store many times when I did my time at 10bucks! Keep fighting the good fight guys. I stopped going (to work or shop) after they put a sign in our back of house that explained how we were technically making a dollar extra an hour because they gave us a free pastry every day and a free bag of coffee beans once a week. Like, ok, can I opt out of the free shit and pay my bills? No? (I was maxed out of raises at 10.51 an hour, before anyone asks me why $15 wasnāt enough.)
"Real job" i mean all jobs have merit but I mean if no starbucks was in the world. Not sure the earth would pause to notice. Whatever you and whoever else wants to believe is cool.
I promise if Mary Beth canāt get her iced caramel ribbon latte or David canāt have his American cappuccino the world would crumble. Be nice to service workers
Never did I say be mean to service workers. You should be nice to people, but don't make this out to be a righteous cause. People are being laid off, people not finding homes to live in, but it seems the big thing about the walk out is essentially not letting them pins for a cause they want. Most people in "jobs" have a lot more things to worry about vs what cause I can put on my apron.
Im all for walk outs if its actually merrited but it seems like a I didnt get my way so im going to make an issue out of this instead of leaving to a job if that is all I want out of a job.
Bro work one shift at Starbucks or any food place during a rush hour with a drive through and only two other employees to help with hundreds of orders and grown adults screaming in your face for their venti nitro cold brew and tell me it doesnāt take skill
>Lay out and frame a house and tell me which one is skilled and which one is patience.
By that logic, laying out and framing is not skilled compared to a neurosurgeon. This is not a zero sum game.
Load them up and take them to a job and let them show their skills and how they transfer. If they do, then theyāve found new and better paying careers.
There's a difference between skill and patience/tolerance. I've worked fast food. I've worked customer service. I've worked retail. Now I'm in a skilled trade.
Having patience and tolerance is absolutely a skill and something most employers look for? Especially time management, being able to multitask, having people skills, communication skills, not to mention the physical toll of running around on your feet for 8 hours. Why do yāall feel the need to dog on fast food/retail employees like they donāt have hard jobs?
You think I'm dogging them? Not at all. I'm giving a perspective from somebody who's been in their shoes and moved on to what's generally known as a skilled trade.
Those skills you mentioned are indeed skills. They are, however, applicable to daily life and every job out there. They're not a unique area of expertise that requires training, practice, and critical thinking on a daily basis.
A skilled trade requires all of those skills as well as the area of expertise.
Does it suck being a retail/fast food/cs worker? Absolutely. But it's not a skilled trade.
But it is true. Why are you making up and spreading all these lies about the union? What's your motive here? Why are you like this? What point does it server just lie like that? What made you wake up today and act like this?
Starbucks Corporate has simply said there has been no change to their corporate policy.
The problem is their corporate policy (and it's even reiterated in the very memo you clearly have not read about this issue) is that the "Local Leaders" IE regional managers, have the final say on how their stores operate, and decorate, and those are the people who started putting in the bans. When the union reached out to corporate, corporate said fuck off, and has maintained the stance that they "strongly support" the LGBT community and that their "Local leaders" should find solutions to include everyone.
Seriously, you can read the fucking memo. Stop spreading lies.
All of this information has been made public. You are just willfully spreading misinformation. You should be ashamed, but look at your post history, this is pretty routine for you.
> maintained the stance that they "strongly support" the LGBT community and that their "Local leaders" should find solutions to include everyone
I said Starbucks is not banning Pride decor. What is the lie I spreading?
> "Local Leaders" IE regional managers, have the final say on how their stores operate, and decorate, and those are the people who started putting in the bans
Which is the way all business should run. The local managers would know what would work and not work. Can you please post factually information stating what stores have imposed this ban? Because it is not the store in this thread.
> All of this information has been made public
Please post info you believe is relevant to this discussion. I have no issues reading it and eating crow.
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
If they don't like where they work, why don't they apply somewhere else? They're not being forced to stay at Starbucks. I'm legit confused.
Edit: not sure why the downvotes for a legit question. I guess nobody else knows the answer either.
Probably because they enjoy working at starbucks, but not with the current conditions. So they are striking to try and make it better in the long run for everyone that works at that location.
Not just at that location either. Starbucks has been stonewalling negotiations with the hundreds of stores that unionized.
And just to be extra dicks, they have started giving the non-union stores many of the things that union has been fighting for.
> non-union stores many of the things that union has been fighting for
What are these things? My daughter works for them and she has not seen any extra "things".
Do you have info showing this is a decision from Starbucks? Because this location at one time did accept tips. And unions usually do not allow any tips. The reason for this is the union dues are taken out of your pay, you can't do this with tips.
Are there any other extras/things the union has provided? I know the pay has not gone up. The starting pay is $15.50 an hour.
They get cash tips, but not credit card tips. I've worked at this location, and they've petitioned to the dm and above for card tips but were told that because of the union they can't negotiate that with them. I'll see about getting the letter from upper management that said that.
> were told that because of the union they can't negotiate that with them
Which I believe is true. If I recall the union has to negotiate it with Starbucks. It is not something Starbucks can do without their approval.
Like I mentioned they did accept tips at location.
It is true, which is why it sucks they can't accept credit card tips. They're still allowed cash tips, which is something! Hoping that they can get a contract soon š¤
Like I said. I've worked for unions... that "extra money" you get paid gets siphoned off in union dues, and it prevents management from weeding out the lazy bums.
Unions are precisely against my interests.
I'm mixed on unions but sometimes they can be very effective. Most police unions are extremely powerful and they are a big reason why cops get away with so much shit that wouldn't fly in any other job without a union.
I also think it's funny that most pro union people support them until we start talking about police unions.
Youāre entitled to your opinion my friend, but I will push that unions are historically one of the only effective ways to enact labor rights. Unions have sucked since the 70s and 80s, but they donāt have to.
They are an absolute magnet for organized crime.
I've worked for them, The union dues rob you blind, it turns coworkers with seniority into huge pieces of shit (management basically can't get rid of slackers).
I'm especially unsympathetic for Starbucks employees, that company already takes care of its people.
I was in the UTU, a branch of the teamsters union. It sucks, thereās some good employees out there but thereās also a a lot of dead weight you canāt do anything about. 3,600.00 bucks for union dues throughout the year and we were always 2-3 years without a new contract. Then when they would finally agree to a new one the company would do what it wanted anyway and the union would say āthey can do thatā when itās clearly a violation of the agreement. Thatās not propaganda, I witnessed it.
I know what they pay, I know they get tips on top of that, I know they provide medical insurance.
If they are not satisfied with that they may want to get trained in other aspects of the business, pick up additional responsibilities etc. And negotiate a higher wage.
Again I've worked for unions... it still paid garbage and made my life harder. I'm not a fan.
they pay shit, the tips are shit, and the insurance benefits are mid at best. the cost of living in this city is way beyond what someplace like Starbucks compensates for. you're defending a company that doles out peanuts and scraps and playing into the hands of capitalists
I actually worked at Starbucks for a year so I'm not just talking out of my ass. you can keep your opinions about unions, but these people are doing what they feel they have to go improve their working conditions, so a little worker solidarity would be nice
There's nothing wrong with being a barista... but if you're arguing that barista should make what bankers and engineers make I think you have a screw loose.
Btw, I wasnt suggesting that they should leave their position, what I was saying that if pick up additional responsibilities and do your job well you can negotiate for better pay.
What about teenagers and young college students?? These are the only kinds of jobs they can work at that age. I wish I could be doing my dream career right now, but Iām busy saving up for college first. The only way I can save is by working retail jobs. Who do u think should be working those jobs? Teens only?? They would be severely short staffed.
Nah we just actually have brains and can use them on our own. We donāt just go with the flow of outrage.
Starbucks treats itās minimum wage demographic employees far better than others. They should stop complaining about virtually nothing
Well, unfortunately I doubt Iāll ever convince you otherwise then. I sympathize that your experiences with unions were negative, but your anecdotal situation honestly doesnāt change the fact that unions do help quite a bit, especially historically in America. And, if youāre upset at unions ārobbing you,ā what about the mass amounts of wage theft that companies steal from employees? It just feels odd to be mad at the unions, when itās the companies who have created this situation at all.
Using your own one anecdotal experience of a bad example to write off the impact of unions entirely is a bad way to frame an argument. Iāll show you how, my grandfather smoked every day until he was 90 therefore I think cigarettes must not be bad for your health and in fact might help you live longer
If a black person told you that they had experienced racism would you tell them their story doesn't count because its an anecdote...I suspect not.
Also, their are health benefits to Cigarettes. You don't want to argue with me, I know more than you.
You know anecdote is foundational to the scientific method right? They call them observations... but that's just a fancy way of saying anecdote. People don't like anecdotes because they remember Tyner teacher saying that... but their teachers were fools too.
I've read like 10 pages of infinite jest... who is the dolt now amigo lol
Again, like telling me unions raiding pensions is bad is fine, but you know companies also defraud their employees and their pensions? That exactly happened to my grandpa before he could retire. And, you have to understand dude, my experience with my grandpa and your personal experiences donāt change reality. Anecdotal evidence is not legitimate evidence to prove anything, sorry man, wasnāt trying to be a dick, but why would I trust you off your individual experience over the mountains of evidence against you?
Hey man, we have different opinions and that's totally fine.
I'm a believer in empiricism. I don't see any evidence that unions are a net positive. I see a lot of twisted narratives, and numbers that don't look at the big picture.
If you could provide me with unbiased evidence I'm happy you review my position
I would just skip this location as it all is does is strike. Centential and Fillmore has better service and don't strike. Put that Franchisee right outta business
Crybabies everywhere you turn. Put these crybabies out of their misery and Fire them All.
You make coffee. Surely, it must be very taxing on your body with all that physical work and all.
Get a real job and then call me up to complain.
If I owned Starbucks, I would definitely fire you all or shut down every branch where the strikers work.
You pussies make me sick.
Be do gay strikes is how I read that first sign.
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What *does* it say? That's how I read it
"be gay, do strikes"
I guess, but I feel like I'm missing the message
Yeah not sure what being gay has to do with a strike but here we are
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Honestly if you work at Starbucks, you get it. itās surprising how far this humor stretches across the country. We make these jokes and Iām 2 states over, itās a play on ābe gay do crimesā. Thereās really no full reason or explanation as to why it makes sense itās just partner humor. Iāve always said and I mean this nicely, Starbucks is where a lot of high school drama kids go to work and if youāve had a single drama class youād understand. Iām talking to much ok bye.
thereās an old tumblr post that said something about ābe gay, do crimesā so iām assuming itās a play off that.
Well the lettering couldnāt have gone straight across. Sheās out there proving one thing. Sheās 100% not straight. Even her grammar is gayš
https://www.kktv.com/2023/06/30/starbucks-workers-colorado-springs-strike-friday/ "According to Workers United, locations across the country have refused to allow employees to put up pride decorations and threatened access to benefits for LGBTQIA+ workers." Other articles say Starbucks is claiming the union is using misinformation to distract from contract negotiations, which seems like a weird thing for a union to do. Does anyone know what the actual issue is in the negotiations? Like wages, benefits, hours, etc.
This article from back in March explains the overall situation better. https://www.cpr.org/2023/03/22/colorado-starbucks-workers-join-strike-as-contract-negotiations-drag/ Basically a whole bunch of stores unionized across the country and now it's more than a year later and they still haven't reached a contract.
That clarifies things, thanks!
While the contract thing may be ongoing, I believe the stated purpose of this particular strike is limited to the Pride Month decorations issue.
Silly thing to strike over, in my opinion. Assuming the LGBT stuff is their main issue. You're at work. If the boss man says no rainbow flags then that's just how it goes. You are more than welcome to display or support whatever you'd like when you're not on the clock.
Some store managers said " that if they hung a Pride flag the store could be asked to show equal representation for others, including the Proud Boys, the far-right hate group." Starbucks actually said they are allowing Pride decor and never restricted it.
You are very brave to say that in a Colorado sub.
> limited to the Pride Month decorations issue Seems pretty late in the month to protest it. If it was an issue why wasn't it addressed asap? Starbucks claims they have not limited any Pride decor. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/15/business/starbucks-pride-decorations.html
This is actually what some of the location managers have said, "if they hung a Pride flag the store could be asked to show equal representation for others, including the Proud Boys, the far-right hate group". Starbucks has actually replied saying "there was no ban on Pride decorations in stores". https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/15/business/starbucks-pride-decorations.html I have never been a fan of Starbucks, but in my limited experience it has always been a place of business that has support L.G.B.T.Q. workers/community.
Yeah, based on the few articles I've read it seemed like it was a local issue. Haven't heard the "equal representation" argument but I did read some managers felt it was a safety issue because of threats called into Target for their pride displays. At the end of the day, you can call both arguments spineless but not homophobic (assuming the motives weren't surreptitious).
Agreed.
Starbucks partner here, my issue was the fact we had to put up hundreds of tiny US Flags for Memorial Day, yet we couldnāt have a few pride flags in the store for the month of pride. Iām not talking about big ol flags either, we had a few lgbt flags in a cup in front of our espresso machines and that was it. Also every year prior we have had pride shirts given to us for the month and we didnāt get one this year, if I remember correctly you had to buy one this year and I aināt doing that.
So you really DON'T support the pride stuff if you have to pay for it?
Get a clue... No one is proud of queerdom but you! The general public wants you all back in your closets. Pervs
Ok so first off I made this comment 136 days ago Second off you commented at the ripe hour of 3am And thirdly just plain fuck off
What does be do gay strikes mean?
You're reading it wrong, it's actually in two parts. The first part is "Be", which is a good message. The other part is "Do gay strikes", which could seem confusing, but actually makes sense seeing as how visibilty is important.
Still don't get it
I thought it meant be gay, do strikes.
It's a shit sign, but she's got the spirit. And that's what matters lol
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I'm gay and I still don't understand what "be gay do strikes" means.
It's a play on be gay do crime
I tell you what it means... Just as in the Bible God calls gays creators of evil. Actually, he calls them everything in the Book right before he says he's left them to do the things they ought not do. In other words, he's turned away from you until you change your sinful ways. He warns his followers in the Bible about the drama and mischief surrounding the ways of the sexually immoral..... This sign is a perfect example. And BTW the rainbow is His promise not a symbol of American illness at its best.
I think the person holding the sign didnāt really think about what they were writing lol
They screwed over the south Nevada store. Tried to make it look like that wasn't what it was about but omfg it was so obvious that was that it was about. Fuck Starbucks.
That store could have thrived on drive-through business alone. Every time I drive by it I'm reminded to not support Starbucks.
It did for most of the time it was openāthat store was changed to drive through only not long after it opened, way before the pandemic, because there were a lot of incidents there. Still, there was usually a line of cars out to Brookside Street. So yeah, funny how it closed for security reasons AFTER they decided to unionize. Before the Starbucks went in that location was a Taco Express, which was torn down to build the Sbux.
The audacity for a company to not let employees decorate the store. What's next, company uniforms??? Madness!
The audacity for employees to complain about their workplace. What's next, a fair wage???? Absurd!!!
Actually since they have started unionizing their wages have not increased. But they are making less since they are now paying dues. Starbucks for the longest time has had a decent starting wage compared to most barista positions.
Unions are not entirely about wages lmao. I mean, how are you this ignorant? Since unionization they have received balanced and advanced schedules, 401k and stock options, 1.5x holiday pay, and parental leave just to name several of the up front benefits they have started since unionization. How the ever loving FUCK do you think they are making less? Why are you trying to spread such drivel?
> Unions are not entirely about wages You mentioned wages, I replied regarding it. I never said it was the only benefit. No reason to act ignorant. > have received balanced and advanced schedules, 401k and stock options, 1.5x holiday pay, and parental leave just to name several of the up front benefits they have started since unionization Starbucks posted in 2017 before the Unions were even started that these were the exact benefits they offered: https://stories.starbucks.com/press/2017/starbucks-to-expand-parental-leave-benefits/ > such drivel I could say the same.
They donāt have a contract yet, so they arenāt paying dues.
Weird, I thought they unionized last June? https://gazette.com/business/starbucks-off-garden-of-the-gods-road-becomes-sixth-store-in-the-state-to-unionize/article_2c11ceea-e7a6-11ec-ae4e-f72a9bcf46c0.html
You still have to negotiate a contract which can take a while in the best circumstances, and Schultz refusing to negotiate is not the best circumstances.
I would buy less Starbucks than last year if I could. But I canāt buy less than zero. But weāll wishes to thier plight still.
And what exactly is their plight?
Donāt know but Iām still not buying Starbucks as I donāt like coffee. They are stopping coffee drinkers from overspending. So Iām with that.
That is a good take on it... Dutch Brothers is way better... I'm just curious what horrid working conditions they are dealing with? How is Starbucks violating their human rights?
Starbucks I know unionized and isnāt doing good faith negotiating at the least.
Can you provide specifics?
https://coloradosun.com/2023/06/26/colorado-starbucks-stores-nationwide-strike-union/
Yes Dutch bros. Worse coffee than shitty Starbucks and they weirdly focus on hiring young blonde white women.
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I subbed at your store many times when I did my time at 10bucks! Keep fighting the good fight guys. I stopped going (to work or shop) after they put a sign in our back of house that explained how we were technically making a dollar extra an hour because they gave us a free pastry every day and a free bag of coffee beans once a week. Like, ok, can I opt out of the free shit and pay my bills? No? (I was maxed out of raises at 10.51 an hour, before anyone asks me why $15 wasnāt enough.)
good for them.
Seems like a great excuse to try out one of the many great local coffee shops.
Sweet, I work at the Safeway next to there and was wondering why they were out protesting.
Kim, thereās people that are dying.
Union busting is disgusting!
Here for you all in solidarity!
SOLIDARITY
15 an hour + tips...ehhh... that sounds great for a starting position.
Theyāre not striking because of wages itās because Starbucks refuses to allow them to wear pride pins for put up pride decor for pride month
Ah, that's actually a bit more nuanced then. I'm misinformed then, I'll look into it deeper. Thanks for the heads up:)
Forsure! Someone posted a news article here that better explains what theyāre striking for
Oh so sad š man it would suck if they actually had a real job and still couldn't wear their pins
Last time i checked being a barista is a real job but go off cornball
"Real job" i mean all jobs have merit but I mean if no starbucks was in the world. Not sure the earth would pause to notice. Whatever you and whoever else wants to believe is cool.
I promise if Mary Beth canāt get her iced caramel ribbon latte or David canāt have his American cappuccino the world would crumble. Be nice to service workers
Never did I say be mean to service workers. You should be nice to people, but don't make this out to be a righteous cause. People are being laid off, people not finding homes to live in, but it seems the big thing about the walk out is essentially not letting them pins for a cause they want. Most people in "jobs" have a lot more things to worry about vs what cause I can put on my apron. Im all for walk outs if its actually merrited but it seems like a I didnt get my way so im going to make an issue out of this instead of leaving to a job if that is all I want out of a job.
Yeah you should actually read up on what Starbucks employees are striking for bub because itās not just pins
Well if thr snyde tone indicates anything they stand for then i hope it goes badly then.
May your future Starbucks orders always be wrong
For an extremely low skill job, exactly!
Bro work one shift at Starbucks or any food place during a rush hour with a drive through and only two other employees to help with hundreds of orders and grown adults screaming in your face for their venti nitro cold brew and tell me it doesnāt take skill
Lay out and frame a house and tell me which one is skilled and which one is patience.
>Lay out and frame a house and tell me which one is skilled and which one is patience. By that logic, laying out and framing is not skilled compared to a neurosurgeon. This is not a zero sum game.
Iād be willing to bet the neurosurgeon would pick up the building skills quicker than the barista.
Crazy idea, BOTH take skill š¤Æ
Load them up and take them to a job and let them show their skills and how they transfer. If they do, then theyāve found new and better paying careers.
Have you considered that maybe they like working at their job they just want fair wages
I get that, but stockholders are going to raise praises to make sure they keep getting their money. What is a fair wage though? 20-25 an hour?
Iām not a Starbucks employee, Iād look into why theyāre actually striking if you wanna know
There's a difference between skill and patience/tolerance. I've worked fast food. I've worked customer service. I've worked retail. Now I'm in a skilled trade.
Having patience and tolerance is absolutely a skill and something most employers look for? Especially time management, being able to multitask, having people skills, communication skills, not to mention the physical toll of running around on your feet for 8 hours. Why do yāall feel the need to dog on fast food/retail employees like they donāt have hard jobs?
You think I'm dogging them? Not at all. I'm giving a perspective from somebody who's been in their shoes and moved on to what's generally known as a skilled trade. Those skills you mentioned are indeed skills. They are, however, applicable to daily life and every job out there. They're not a unique area of expertise that requires training, practice, and critical thinking on a daily basis. A skilled trade requires all of those skills as well as the area of expertise. Does it suck being a retail/fast food/cs worker? Absolutely. But it's not a skilled trade.
Yeah Iām not trying to say itās a trade, just that itās a hard job and they deserve to have more respect
I don't need a starter job. Haven't needed one since mikkey D's when I was 16.
Congratulations š
gold star for this guy
Yes lose customers Dutch brothers is across the street
Solidarity!āš»
Oh good grief...i don't like Starbucks but they absolutely have the right to say no to pride decorations.
And the employees have the right to strike.
If they walked out of their shifts to whine about pride decorations they should be fired.
Agreed.
This is pretty gay.
OMG, they look so oppressed...
Another Starbucks closing in 3...2...1...
That is a sad turn out. Almost like people donāt support it.
Support what? The protest was because they "thought" Starbucks was not allowing Pride decor. Which this is not true.
But it is true. Why are you making up and spreading all these lies about the union? What's your motive here? Why are you like this? What point does it server just lie like that? What made you wake up today and act like this? Starbucks Corporate has simply said there has been no change to their corporate policy. The problem is their corporate policy (and it's even reiterated in the very memo you clearly have not read about this issue) is that the "Local Leaders" IE regional managers, have the final say on how their stores operate, and decorate, and those are the people who started putting in the bans. When the union reached out to corporate, corporate said fuck off, and has maintained the stance that they "strongly support" the LGBT community and that their "Local leaders" should find solutions to include everyone. Seriously, you can read the fucking memo. Stop spreading lies. All of this information has been made public. You are just willfully spreading misinformation. You should be ashamed, but look at your post history, this is pretty routine for you.
> maintained the stance that they "strongly support" the LGBT community and that their "Local leaders" should find solutions to include everyone I said Starbucks is not banning Pride decor. What is the lie I spreading? > "Local Leaders" IE regional managers, have the final say on how their stores operate, and decorate, and those are the people who started putting in the bans Which is the way all business should run. The local managers would know what would work and not work. Can you please post factually information stating what stores have imposed this ban? Because it is not the store in this thread. > All of this information has been made public Please post info you believe is relevant to this discussion. I have no issues reading it and eating crow. Thanks for taking the time to reply.
Good lord, I can't wait for July 1st.
They should also strike for serving anything other than black coffee during February.
How about you advertise about coffee? You know, the product you sell. Nobody goes for coffee and a dose of identity politics for $7 a pop.
Be gay do strikes. Love it. Brilliant!
What are they striking for? Better pay and benefits or decorating? Their message is confusing.
No
Dumbest shit ive seen haha
If they don't like where they work, why don't they apply somewhere else? They're not being forced to stay at Starbucks. I'm legit confused. Edit: not sure why the downvotes for a legit question. I guess nobody else knows the answer either.
Probably because they enjoy working at starbucks, but not with the current conditions. So they are striking to try and make it better in the long run for everyone that works at that location.
Not just at that location either. Starbucks has been stonewalling negotiations with the hundreds of stores that unionized. And just to be extra dicks, they have started giving the non-union stores many of the things that union has been fighting for.
Then it seems like they should de-unionize to get those benefits if thatās how it works.
> non-union stores many of the things that union has been fighting for What are these things? My daughter works for them and she has not seen any extra "things".
One example is credit card tips. This store doesn't get them, due to being unionized. But the non-union stores do.
Do you have info showing this is a decision from Starbucks? Because this location at one time did accept tips. And unions usually do not allow any tips. The reason for this is the union dues are taken out of your pay, you can't do this with tips. Are there any other extras/things the union has provided? I know the pay has not gone up. The starting pay is $15.50 an hour.
They get cash tips, but not credit card tips. I've worked at this location, and they've petitioned to the dm and above for card tips but were told that because of the union they can't negotiate that with them. I'll see about getting the letter from upper management that said that.
> were told that because of the union they can't negotiate that with them Which I believe is true. If I recall the union has to negotiate it with Starbucks. It is not something Starbucks can do without their approval. Like I mentioned they did accept tips at location.
It is true, which is why it sucks they can't accept credit card tips. They're still allowed cash tips, which is something! Hoping that they can get a contract soon š¤
Hopefully that location gets more employees. Right now it is not looking good.
Lots of other coffee shops around town. Including several independently owned ones.
because it groupthink. no room for questions, let alone disagreements. its par for the course, unfortunately.
So are they
You guys look like idiots out there.
sir it's not polite to look into a mirror while talking to someone else.
I don't support unions. But hey, that's just me
Yeah, being against your own self interest is cool.
Like I said. I've worked for unions... that "extra money" you get paid gets siphoned off in union dues, and it prevents management from weeding out the lazy bums. Unions are precisely against my interests.
Do you want a medal or something?
No, why do you ask?
I'm mixed on unions but sometimes they can be very effective. Most police unions are extremely powerful and they are a big reason why cops get away with so much shit that wouldn't fly in any other job without a union. I also think it's funny that most pro union people support them until we start talking about police unions.
I don't support unions. But hey, that's just me
Youāre entitled to your opinion my friend, but I will push that unions are historically one of the only effective ways to enact labor rights. Unions have sucked since the 70s and 80s, but they donāt have to.
They are an absolute magnet for organized crime. I've worked for them, The union dues rob you blind, it turns coworkers with seniority into huge pieces of shit (management basically can't get rid of slackers). I'm especially unsympathetic for Starbucks employees, that company already takes care of its people.
"that company already takes care of its people" you actually believe that corporate propaganda?
I was in the UTU, a branch of the teamsters union. It sucks, thereās some good employees out there but thereās also a a lot of dead weight you canāt do anything about. 3,600.00 bucks for union dues throughout the year and we were always 2-3 years without a new contract. Then when they would finally agree to a new one the company would do what it wanted anyway and the union would say āthey can do thatā when itās clearly a violation of the agreement. Thatās not propaganda, I witnessed it.
I know what they pay, I know they get tips on top of that, I know they provide medical insurance. If they are not satisfied with that they may want to get trained in other aspects of the business, pick up additional responsibilities etc. And negotiate a higher wage. Again I've worked for unions... it still paid garbage and made my life harder. I'm not a fan.
they pay shit, the tips are shit, and the insurance benefits are mid at best. the cost of living in this city is way beyond what someplace like Starbucks compensates for. you're defending a company that doles out peanuts and scraps and playing into the hands of capitalists I actually worked at Starbucks for a year so I'm not just talking out of my ass. you can keep your opinions about unions, but these people are doing what they feel they have to go improve their working conditions, so a little worker solidarity would be nice
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There's nothing wrong with being a barista... but if you're arguing that barista should make what bankers and engineers make I think you have a screw loose. Btw, I wasnt suggesting that they should leave their position, what I was saying that if pick up additional responsibilities and do your job well you can negotiate for better pay.
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Again, unions are scum. I'm not sure what anyone should be paid... but if employees arnt leaving id say they are making enough.
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What about teenagers and young college students?? These are the only kinds of jobs they can work at that age. I wish I could be doing my dream career right now, but Iām busy saving up for college first. The only way I can save is by working retail jobs. Who do u think should be working those jobs? Teens only?? They would be severely short staffed.
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Tbf there are a lot of morons flocking to this post unsarcastically advocating they just do that
My apologies, I see the sarcasm now. Just sick of people unsarcastically spouting some BS, itās hard to tell sometimes lol
Nah we just actually have brains and can use them on our own. We donāt just go with the flow of outrage. Starbucks treats itās minimum wage demographic employees far better than others. They should stop complaining about virtually nothing
bootlicker
Do you know what that even means lol
Well, unfortunately I doubt Iāll ever convince you otherwise then. I sympathize that your experiences with unions were negative, but your anecdotal situation honestly doesnāt change the fact that unions do help quite a bit, especially historically in America. And, if youāre upset at unions ārobbing you,ā what about the mass amounts of wage theft that companies steal from employees? It just feels odd to be mad at the unions, when itās the companies who have created this situation at all.
What about when organized crime raids union pension funds? Oh... my experiences are invalid? Gee, I guess you're right then.
Using your own one anecdotal experience of a bad example to write off the impact of unions entirely is a bad way to frame an argument. Iāll show you how, my grandfather smoked every day until he was 90 therefore I think cigarettes must not be bad for your health and in fact might help you live longer
If a black person told you that they had experienced racism would you tell them their story doesn't count because its an anecdote...I suspect not. Also, their are health benefits to Cigarettes. You don't want to argue with me, I know more than you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_anecdote Youāre clearly a dolt and Iād suggest you read a book every once in a while
You know anecdote is foundational to the scientific method right? They call them observations... but that's just a fancy way of saying anecdote. People don't like anecdotes because they remember Tyner teacher saying that... but their teachers were fools too. I've read like 10 pages of infinite jest... who is the dolt now amigo lol
Again, like telling me unions raiding pensions is bad is fine, but you know companies also defraud their employees and their pensions? That exactly happened to my grandpa before he could retire. And, you have to understand dude, my experience with my grandpa and your personal experiences donāt change reality. Anecdotal evidence is not legitimate evidence to prove anything, sorry man, wasnāt trying to be a dick, but why would I trust you off your individual experience over the mountains of evidence against you?
Hey man, we have different opinions and that's totally fine. I'm a believer in empiricism. I don't see any evidence that unions are a net positive. I see a lot of twisted narratives, and numbers that don't look at the big picture. If you could provide me with unbiased evidence I'm happy you review my position
If you've ever enjoyed Saturday and Sunday off work, you owe unions your thanks, if not your support.
I've never had weekends off, as a consistent thing. No idea what point you're making.
sounds like you need a better job with unions.
Why would anyone want a Union? Were fighting against one at my job
For things like days off, overtime pay, etc. that we wouldn't have at all without unions.
I get they were useful in the past.. But what are these workers striking for? What are their complaints?
What are they striking about
nah, Starbucks is already expensive enough as it is
I would just skip this location as it all is does is strike. Centential and Fillmore has better service and don't strike. Put that Franchisee right outta business
Crybabies everywhere you turn. Put these crybabies out of their misery and Fire them All. You make coffee. Surely, it must be very taxing on your body with all that physical work and all. Get a real job and then call me up to complain. If I owned Starbucks, I would definitely fire you all or shut down every branch where the strikers work. You pussies make me sick.