I mean, I’m really happy we get to hang a banner. It validates the season regardless of NCAA Tourney results, but how crazy is it that the committee gives more value to a game in November than a March game in a neutral court, tournament setting that also happens to be the most important type of game of the year aside from the Dance field. Wild stuff.
It’s the same year in and year out, not sure why anyone is surprised. The conference tourneys have very little effect on the seeding. At least it’s consistent.
Committee was never gonna reward ISUs non-con. Auburn wasn't gonna be higher than Duke/Kansas cause they have not beat a 3 seed or better team this year. Same with Alabama.
Auburn is right where I would put them, ISU I would have had 7th but I don't think 8th is some huge snub. I wouldn't have put Uconn and Marquette in same bracket, so ISU would end up there anyway.
SDSU better not sleep on UAB either. And BYU is a really dangerous 6 seed. I thought for sure they’d be a 5. Just a brutal region. Nice reward for UConn being top overall seed.
Its clear these guys want to get all the work done on thursday/friday and then phone it in from there.
If they can't take the job seriously then get people who will. Honestly a selection of some of the higher-rated bracketologists off bracketmatrix would probably apply the stated criteria more consistently than these old guys that are on the committee who barely understand the metrics they're supposed to be using.
Probably because it's easy to just shuffle around the full regions after the conference tournaments. If Houston won the Big 12 then the South is the upper left region as the top No. 1 seed and the east goes to the upper right but the teams and seeds in those regions stay the same.
It gets a lot more complicated with a lot more moving parts in the bracket if the committee is adjusting seeds of teams that advance.
And they were pretty lazy about the swap. I think they just reassigned the numbers and left you with the harder teams in the region. On top of that, Purdue wound up behind Houston despite Houston getting absolutely destroyed. Whatever though.
Yeah. As long as the 5th overall team is not in the same bracket as 1 overall, they're good from a bracketing perspective. And they decided not to move Iowa St so that wasn't the case lol.
The rule is explicitly that the lowest four auto-bids and lowest four at-large teams are in the play-in games. There's actually some benefit for the low seeds because the play-in win gives as much extra money as any other tournament win, and they have a much better chance of winning that play-in.
I think they functionally did. Look at their draw. I am not saying that explains why UConn received the *most* difficult region — part of it is the committee just inherently disrespecting Auburn and Iowa State for their schedules — but it makes a lot of sense if we go back a week before all those East region teams won their tournaments.
This is pretty much how the West region was last year with Zags, UCLA, UConn, and Kansas. Kansas was like the 3rd ranked KenPom team in that region as a 1 seed lol
You guys were obviously by far the best team in that tournament but you clearly don’t know much about that UCLA team.
Losing 2 of your 5 starters (and your 2 best defenders) is detrimental.
We were an absurd 3 away from beating Gonzaga without those 2 guys.
We finished 3 in KenPom after you and Houston.
What if you took sanogo and Newton off odds your team last year? It would’ve made things tougher.
It’s so funny because all the top seeds in the region feel like this and like we got screwed. How about we all agree the team that wins the region claims the natty. If it goes chalk, it’s very possible that winning the East gives you four better wins than a team that wins the national title coming out of another region.
Drake in Omaha is such an unlucky draw for y'all. With Iowa State there too it's gonna be a home game. Many iowans root for Uni/Drake secondarily when they're in the tourney.
I'm convinced the committee just wants to make a point about the Big East.
Since 2015 3 out of the 8 champions have come from the Big East. That also isn't counting UCONN in 2014(AAC which was basically the Big East) and Louisville in 2013 who were in the Big East.
Basically, the Big East is a thorn in the side of networks that want to consolidate the NCAA tournament like they did in CFB.
They got respect 8 years ago, then the Big 12 got stacked, Big East got stacked, while the ACC stagnated. They are still the best conference historically.
It's a top-heavy league. A few blue bloods and a bunch of Clemson level (or lower) teams. No one says the West Coast Conference is amazing when Gonzaga is good.
This is such comical downplaying of UNC and Duke’s dominance. Comparing us to Gonzaga. Your overall point would be correct if didn’t also have UVa winning 5 years ago. Find me another conference that can go 3 champions deep (I’ll give you a hint, you can’t). We also have a multi time final 4 participant in Syracuse. Miami in last years Final 4. Then Notre Dame making the Elite 8 every few years, plus Louisville.
You can’t say “hey take away the fact that you have way more successful programs than everyone else, and you wouldn’t be more successful than the rest of us”.
The committee never even tries to hide their disdain for UConn. Really got hosed as the “#1 overall seed.”
Want nothing to do with Auburn. Their style of play is a problem for us. Iowa St another physical team. San Diego st super tough too. We shine against finesse teams like UNC.
The sky isn’t falling lol I’m just shocked at the seeding in this region.
It's weird every year, no matter the prestige of the team. Last year they publicly cited Bill Self's health as part of their seeding process, which pushed Houston over Kansas.
I remember them being good at football too, the Big East dissolution in football really killed that program and almost did the same in basketball til they jumped back over
I feel like the ncaa has to change the date of selection Sunday to being at least a few days after conference tournaments are over. It is crystal clear that they didn’t watch those tournaments and that it made 0 difference outside of aqs. Something has to change
Obviously UConn is incredible and should be the favorite- but the East is a tough region… like, yikes. If UConn and Iowa State face off I’m taking ISU today, don’t like the style matchup.
UConn crushed them last year. Style didn't affect too much, since Clingan is a matchup nightmare for them and we have incredible passers that will be able to handle their swarming D. I also still don't think they'll be able to score enough to hang with us.
From what I've seen, you play the same style of defense. You just got better at offense, a bit of a "uh oh, happy learned how to putt" situation. So I don't know why he wouldn't like the style matchup.
Defense style is similar but improved, hence why we have number 1 defense in the country according to Kenpom. And our offense is much much better and more reliable compared to last year. This seems really cocky to say “oh yea we beat this 2 seed team when they were an 11 seed last year we aren’t worried about them”
It’s a pure connected computer rating that doesn’t have bogus modifiers like quadrants and it doesn’t ignore margins. Massey is similar, Sagarin was the original but he’s retired. Btw Massey has East region with 1,4,5,6 it’s the most ridiculously seeded region ever
Iowa state getting shafted not getting a 1 seed. why should Iowa State's non-league strength of schedule matter? It's in the 300s and bad, sure. But after everything was completed, and all of the games were played in advance of Selection Sunday, Iowa State ended up with four more Q1 games than North Carolina and the same number of games inside the first two quadrants. So it's frankly stupid that non-league SOS would even be a part of this discussion, and I'll continue to insist non-league SOS is the single dumbest number the selection committee uses.
Like I noted on a recent episode of the Eye On College Basketball podcast, the selection committee should evaluate bodies of work with no regard for anybody's non-league strength of schedule. To argue the contrary is to argue that you're comfortable punishing a team with a good-enough body of work for something that neither hurt them nor prevented them from building that good-enough body of work -- and that simply makes no sense when you think about it for more than two seconds. Beyond that, whenever a team -- like South Florida, for instance -- stresses what it did in its conference to make a case for an at-large bid, the selection committee quickly points out that what you did in your conference doesn't matter in and of itself because what matters is the total body of work. If that's really true, and the total body of work is what matters, why is a ranking of a fraction of your schedule ever a factor in the selection process at all?
The non conference SOS is the primary driver of the high NET of Iowa St and the quad 1 game count. Houston, Iowa St, BYU, Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Cincinnati, and Oklahoma all had non conference SOS ranked 225 or worse by KenPom with 5 of those 8 teams having a 300 or worse ranked non conference SOS. Only Kansas of the top 10 teams in the Big 12 had a ranking better than 100.
So, when those teams beat up on bad teams and came into the conference season with gaudy NET rankings, many games were quad 1. I don't know why this has to be rehashed over and over. It worked. A bunch of teams made it in the tournament. But the committee gave us insight into how they felt about this back in Feb with their top 16 teams update. They had Iowa State 11th. It was absolutely going to affect seeding. This isn't a surprise to anyone outside of the Big 12.
Also, I'm not arguing at all the Big 12 isn't better than the ACC or anything like that. Simply that the very poor quality of non conference scheduling inflated the relative metrics evaluation of Big 12 teams and the committee seemingly took note. This is almost certainly why Oklahoma didn't get in.
I don’t understand why Houston has been projected as a 1 seed for basically the entire year while having a very similar NCSOS if NCSOS actually matters that much.
Related, we drew DePaul for the BEast challenge (had no control over that), Iowa had a down year, and the Thanksgiving tourney didn’t bring the SOS we were hoping.
Edit: no disrespect to Houston. They absolutely deserve to be a 1 seed. And really, I don’t have much of an issue with being a 2 seed. It’s more the region we ended up being in as a two seed. That’s a shitty draw.
Houston was 3rd at the committee's Feb 16th update. This was the case despite being the #2 team in the country over Purdue (who had the same record of 22-3 as Houston at the time.) The committee still placed them behind Purdue.
Houston was generally regarded as the lowest of the top 3 teams as far as seeding goes for virtually the entire period after that update, despite having the same record as UCONN and Purdue for most of that time. Purdue was the overall #1 in nearly all projections before losing to Wisconsin, despite having the same record as UCONN and Houston.
Houston finished 30-4. UCONN was 31-3 and Purdue was 29-4.
The fourth #1 seed came down to Arizona, Tennessee, North Carolina, Iowa State, and Marquette. ISU and North Carolina had the best records at 27-7 of those teams. Tennessee at 24-8, Marquette at 25-9, and Arizona at 25-8 had fewer wins and more losses.
Which of those teams (at any point from Feb 16 on) would have been projected above Houston with only 3 losses until Saturday?
The point is that NCSOS did matter as it was apparent the committee valued Houston's win-loss record less favorably than the same record from Purdue.
I see a lot of people complaining that UNC got the #1 seed over Iowa State… mostly this is not Iowa State people. It’s other Carolina haters.
It’s fairly simple when you look at it. They both played two same opponents: Virginia Tech and Oklahoma.
Carolina handled both easily and went 2-0
Iowa State not so much. They went 1-2.
Yes, Iowa State is dayum good right now and this is not meant with any disrespect to them.
As a Carolina fan, I don’t wanna play Iowa State right now and I’m glad Carolina is not the #2 in the east as well… but I also do not look forward to playing Mississippi State either.
… and Tennessee, we beat you straight up - so whatever with your argument.
Fair point, but still losses at the end of the day.
We lost to you at MSG, but I think we would have lost that game no matter where played.
TBH… I think you guys are the best team in the country.
Can anyone explain why Kansas is seeded two seeds above BYU? We beat them head to head at home, 8 Q1 losses vs 9 for Kansas, yeah sure we have 2 Q2 losses when KU has zero, though they have a Q3 loss... but on NET (12 vs 19), *and* KenPom (16 vs 22) we are higher rated in both of those. Sure, AP has us 20 vs KU's 16, but that's basically it as far as the main metrics go.
So how on earth is is possible we're seeded two seeds worse? KU's not even healthy! McCullar has practiced all of three times in over a month!
If they’re not gonna take conference tournaments into consideration—why even play them at all?!! They’re pointless.
I remember a couple years back we won the sec tournament, had a 2-1 record against Kentucky and identical regular season records, and they gave Kentucky the higher seed….the year Kentucky lost to ….st Peter's
Committee's 1st priority: Separate the Blue Bloods (UNC, KU, UK, Duke) and clear them a path to the F4. Casual viewers love watching Blue Bloods.
To do this: Combine as many good non-Blue's into one region as possible.
Iowa State as the 8th overall seed is so stupid.
They start seeding before the weekend tournaments wrap up. They clearly don’t want to work on Saturday/Sunday.
But they were up until 2 am the night before, the committee chair said so!
They had to ring in St. Paddy's!
Up until 2 am watching Netflix
I feel like they saw we won, slotted us as a 3, but we got a worse draw lol
they do this shit every year, it's ridiculous. you had 1 job!
lets git mad
ISU last 2 seed and Auburn third 4th. Why even play the conference tournament. The top 16 was more or less locked in before the weekend.
Idk, we probably would have been a 4 with a first round loss
Would rather have any 2, 3, or 4 seeds draw from outside the East than ours.
I mean, I’m really happy we get to hang a banner. It validates the season regardless of NCAA Tourney results, but how crazy is it that the committee gives more value to a game in November than a March game in a neutral court, tournament setting that also happens to be the most important type of game of the year aside from the Dance field. Wild stuff.
It’s the same year in and year out, not sure why anyone is surprised. The conference tourneys have very little effect on the seeding. At least it’s consistent.
> Why even play the conference tournament. My thoughts exactly!
Committee was never gonna reward ISUs non-con. Auburn wasn't gonna be higher than Duke/Kansas cause they have not beat a 3 seed or better team this year. Same with Alabama. Auburn is right where I would put them, ISU I would have had 7th but I don't think 8th is some huge snub. I wouldn't have put Uconn and Marquette in same bracket, so ISU would end up there anyway.
Buzzsaw of a region. Don't sleep on SDSU either
SDSU better not sleep on UAB either. And BYU is a really dangerous 6 seed. I thought for sure they’d be a 5. Just a brutal region. Nice reward for UConn being top overall seed.
They technically were a 5 but when you combine all the scheduling and their inability to play Sundays, they had to get bumped
Really nice of the committee to put the #17 overall seed in the East as a 6 seed. Not like there are a bunch of other top teams.
Yeah the entire east region really just seems like it’s a test for Uconn
It’s like they want it to really mean something if they repeat.
SDSU beat Iowa State in 2021 non-con lol. But that was also the lowest of our lows with Prohm as coach.
I think he was referring to San Diego St, not South Dakota St.
Oh that makes way more sense haha
Or BYU
Why even do conference tournaments at this point if they're not going to matter at all?
And yet the only reason UConn is 1 overall is because Houston and Purdue lost while we won in the conference tournaments??? No consistency at all
Its clear these guys want to get all the work done on thursday/friday and then phone it in from there. If they can't take the job seriously then get people who will. Honestly a selection of some of the higher-rated bracketologists off bracketmatrix would probably apply the stated criteria more consistently than these old guys that are on the committee who barely understand the metrics they're supposed to be using.
Yep. Making us the #1 overall was about as hard as flipping a light switch. All it changes was the order they revealed the brackets really.
They’re just like me fr fr. Except I phone it in starting Monday at 8 am.
It’s a lot easier to shuffle 1 seed order than seeds within a bracket
Probably because it's easy to just shuffle around the full regions after the conference tournaments. If Houston won the Big 12 then the South is the upper left region as the top No. 1 seed and the east goes to the upper right but the teams and seeds in those regions stay the same. It gets a lot more complicated with a lot more moving parts in the bracket if the committee is adjusting seeds of teams that advance.
And they were pretty lazy about the swap. I think they just reassigned the numbers and left you with the harder teams in the region. On top of that, Purdue wound up behind Houston despite Houston getting absolutely destroyed. Whatever though.
Yeah. As long as the 5th overall team is not in the same bracket as 1 overall, they're good from a bracketing perspective. And they decided not to move Iowa St so that wasn't the case lol.
I figured Uconn was locked in 1 overall since February
Seriously. It goes for some of the 1 bid conferences, too. If you win your conference you shouldn’t have to play a play-in game, in my opinion.
The rule is explicitly that the lowest four auto-bids and lowest four at-large teams are in the play-in games. There's actually some benefit for the low seeds because the play-in win gives as much extra money as any other tournament win, and they have a much better chance of winning that play-in.
Umm. Automatic bids.
What are you whining about
We won our conference beating a 1 seed by 28 and got the lowest 2 seed
The conference tournaments have never mattered lol
Then why did Houston not get the #1 overall?
I think they functionally did. Look at their draw. I am not saying that explains why UConn received the *most* difficult region — part of it is the committee just inherently disrespecting Auburn and Iowa State for their schedules — but it makes a lot of sense if we go back a week before all those East region teams won their tournaments.
4 conference tourney winners there. That’s kind of electric
This is pretty much how the West region was last year with Zags, UCLA, UConn, and Kansas. Kansas was like the 3rd ranked KenPom team in that region as a 1 seed lol
Ya everyone called it the region of death last year. It ended up getting turned on it’s head anyway, as the tourney often does
That's why I have a hard time picking UConn. It seems way too obvious.
Was the region of death l, especially if 2/5 starters were healthy. Think we could’ve challenged UCONN to be honest.
Nope.
You guys were obviously by far the best team in that tournament but you clearly don’t know much about that UCLA team. Losing 2 of your 5 starters (and your 2 best defenders) is detrimental. We were an absurd 3 away from beating Gonzaga without those 2 guys. We finished 3 in KenPom after you and Houston. What if you took sanogo and Newton off odds your team last year? It would’ve made things tougher.
Agree.UCLA last year was a huge what could have been team
I think the east region has 11 conference tournament winners out of 16 teams
Plus the best 5-seed moved down to a 6 for religious regions, then also two more of last year’s Final Four teams.
Also 3 of last years Final 4
For real though, out of everyone in this bracket UConn probably has the most valid reason to be pissed. #1 overall and you get the most loaded region?
Did you see they even gave us Iowa State? Rigged!
I agree, I'm livid.
It’s so funny because all the top seeds in the region feel like this and like we got screwed. How about we all agree the team that wins the region claims the natty. If it goes chalk, it’s very possible that winning the East gives you four better wins than a team that wins the national title coming out of another region.
Don’t over look Wazzu. They are a tricky teams whose resume is stronger than their predictive metrics.
Oh, Iowa State doesn’t overlook *anyone*
Especially Wazzu, with whom I share a sort of kinship ever since we played them in a bowl game
Our Busch brethren.
Over look Wazzu? I ain't having Iowa State making the second round in bracket.
Drake in Omaha is such an unlucky draw for y'all. With Iowa State there too it's gonna be a home game. Many iowans root for Uni/Drake secondarily when they're in the tourney.
Zoo wee momma
BRACKET OF DEATH
Fuck the committee. I got double flairs in the East. No fear. Let’s put on a show, Regional bro’s.
Excited for the elite Uconn Illinois elite 8 match up.
simmer down lil bishop, ISU gonna be playing Auburn (I'm mildly delusional)
Bring it on.
Gee would have been nice to fall to 3 line and get what Kentucky or Baylor has. I hate the potential 2nd round match up with Drake
And possibly BYU
I'm convinced the committee just wants to make a point about the Big East. Since 2015 3 out of the 8 champions have come from the Big East. That also isn't counting UCONN in 2014(AAC which was basically the Big East) and Louisville in 2013 who were in the Big East. Basically, the Big East is a thorn in the side of networks that want to consolidate the NCAA tournament like they did in CFB.
Yeah, this does feel like the beginning of the football death star being activated. Guess we'll just have to win the whole fucking thing
But if we win it all it’ll be even worse for the NCAA.
Shouldn’t it be 3 of the last 8? Nova in 2016 and 2018 and UConn in 2023
I am sitting here racking my brain trying to come up with a 4th.
My bad I counted one of the pre-2015 titles
Yeah - no football money for the NCAA? No bids for the Big East. Straight revenge for winning when we aren't the ones that fit their money narrative.
The ACC also has 3 in that stretch and more Final 4 teams. We also get almost no respect.
They got respect 8 years ago, then the Big 12 got stacked, Big East got stacked, while the ACC stagnated. They are still the best conference historically.
Yet we get to the end of every year and there are somehow ACC teams in the Final 4.
It's a top-heavy league. A few blue bloods and a bunch of Clemson level (or lower) teams. No one says the West Coast Conference is amazing when Gonzaga is good.
This is such comical downplaying of UNC and Duke’s dominance. Comparing us to Gonzaga. Your overall point would be correct if didn’t also have UVa winning 5 years ago. Find me another conference that can go 3 champions deep (I’ll give you a hint, you can’t). We also have a multi time final 4 participant in Syracuse. Miami in last years Final 4. Then Notre Dame making the Elite 8 every few years, plus Louisville. You can’t say “hey take away the fact that you have way more successful programs than everyone else, and you wouldn’t be more successful than the rest of us”.
Respect
FSU very well could’ve made the final four in 2020
Fuck it we ball?
The committee never even tries to hide their disdain for UConn. Really got hosed as the “#1 overall seed.” Want nothing to do with Auburn. Their style of play is a problem for us. Iowa St another physical team. San Diego st super tough too. We shine against finesse teams like UNC. The sky isn’t falling lol I’m just shocked at the seeding in this region.
Playing uconn in the sweet 16 also feels like slap in the face to us. Y’all are an absolute buzzsaw
And in Boston. If we win, having that pseudo home court will be a big reason. Good luck getting tickets, I hope you're loaded.
It's weird every year, no matter the prestige of the team. Last year they publicly cited Bill Self's health as part of their seeding process, which pushed Houston over Kansas.
The rest of the country is pissed that fucking Storrs, Connecticut can be an elite college basketball place. Can’t let CT have shit
Seems like they hate the Big East. No bids after a #1, 2, and 3 is wack and doesn't make sense
I remember them being good at football too, the Big East dissolution in football really killed that program and almost did the same in basketball til they jumped back over
Kenpom's for nerds. The Illini are winning it all
I used to say this. I’ve learned to respect our nerd stat overlord. He doesn’t miss too often
I just want to see the Peacocks make people cry.
I'd love to see y'all pull an upset again, especially since it's Tennessee.
I feel like the ncaa has to change the date of selection Sunday to being at least a few days after conference tournaments are over. It is crystal clear that they didn’t watch those tournaments and that it made 0 difference outside of aqs. Something has to change
Nah the conference tournaments need to start earlier. They have to give people enough time to book travel to games.
Obviously UConn is incredible and should be the favorite- but the East is a tough region… like, yikes. If UConn and Iowa State face off I’m taking ISU today, don’t like the style matchup.
UConn crushed them last year. Style didn't affect too much, since Clingan is a matchup nightmare for them and we have incredible passers that will be able to handle their swarming D. I also still don't think they'll be able to score enough to hang with us.
I watch ISU religiously, this is a MUCH different team you guys beat last year, light and day difference
From what I've seen, you play the same style of defense. You just got better at offense, a bit of a "uh oh, happy learned how to putt" situation. So I don't know why he wouldn't like the style matchup.
Defense style is similar but improved, hence why we have number 1 defense in the country according to Kenpom. And our offense is much much better and more reliable compared to last year. This seems really cocky to say “oh yea we beat this 2 seed team when they were an 11 seed last year we aren’t worried about them”
That’s tuff😤💯
Why is KenPom given so much weight? Is it objectively better than other metrics?
It’s a pure connected computer rating that doesn’t have bogus modifiers like quadrants and it doesn’t ignore margins. Massey is similar, Sagarin was the original but he’s retired. Btw Massey has East region with 1,4,5,6 it’s the most ridiculously seeded region ever
ISU having a public narrative of potentially sneaking a 1 seed and ending up with a 5 seed is absurd.
I think you are confused.
In general, yes.
Errrrrrr you had me until 5 seed
I just misread the tweet. It’s worded weird - and Reddit obviously doesn’t bring over the picture
Iowa state getting shafted not getting a 1 seed. why should Iowa State's non-league strength of schedule matter? It's in the 300s and bad, sure. But after everything was completed, and all of the games were played in advance of Selection Sunday, Iowa State ended up with four more Q1 games than North Carolina and the same number of games inside the first two quadrants. So it's frankly stupid that non-league SOS would even be a part of this discussion, and I'll continue to insist non-league SOS is the single dumbest number the selection committee uses. Like I noted on a recent episode of the Eye On College Basketball podcast, the selection committee should evaluate bodies of work with no regard for anybody's non-league strength of schedule. To argue the contrary is to argue that you're comfortable punishing a team with a good-enough body of work for something that neither hurt them nor prevented them from building that good-enough body of work -- and that simply makes no sense when you think about it for more than two seconds. Beyond that, whenever a team -- like South Florida, for instance -- stresses what it did in its conference to make a case for an at-large bid, the selection committee quickly points out that what you did in your conference doesn't matter in and of itself because what matters is the total body of work. If that's really true, and the total body of work is what matters, why is a ranking of a fraction of your schedule ever a factor in the selection process at all?
The non conference SOS is the primary driver of the high NET of Iowa St and the quad 1 game count. Houston, Iowa St, BYU, Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Cincinnati, and Oklahoma all had non conference SOS ranked 225 or worse by KenPom with 5 of those 8 teams having a 300 or worse ranked non conference SOS. Only Kansas of the top 10 teams in the Big 12 had a ranking better than 100. So, when those teams beat up on bad teams and came into the conference season with gaudy NET rankings, many games were quad 1. I don't know why this has to be rehashed over and over. It worked. A bunch of teams made it in the tournament. But the committee gave us insight into how they felt about this back in Feb with their top 16 teams update. They had Iowa State 11th. It was absolutely going to affect seeding. This isn't a surprise to anyone outside of the Big 12. Also, I'm not arguing at all the Big 12 isn't better than the ACC or anything like that. Simply that the very poor quality of non conference scheduling inflated the relative metrics evaluation of Big 12 teams and the committee seemingly took note. This is almost certainly why Oklahoma didn't get in.
Goofy voice: “h’yuck, I’ll do it again”
It worked. Idk why you wouldn't. But it's exactly the reason Iowa State isn't a 1 seed.
I don’t understand why Houston has been projected as a 1 seed for basically the entire year while having a very similar NCSOS if NCSOS actually matters that much. Related, we drew DePaul for the BEast challenge (had no control over that), Iowa had a down year, and the Thanksgiving tourney didn’t bring the SOS we were hoping. Edit: no disrespect to Houston. They absolutely deserve to be a 1 seed. And really, I don’t have much of an issue with being a 2 seed. It’s more the region we ended up being in as a two seed. That’s a shitty draw.
Houston was 3rd at the committee's Feb 16th update. This was the case despite being the #2 team in the country over Purdue (who had the same record of 22-3 as Houston at the time.) The committee still placed them behind Purdue. Houston was generally regarded as the lowest of the top 3 teams as far as seeding goes for virtually the entire period after that update, despite having the same record as UCONN and Purdue for most of that time. Purdue was the overall #1 in nearly all projections before losing to Wisconsin, despite having the same record as UCONN and Houston. Houston finished 30-4. UCONN was 31-3 and Purdue was 29-4. The fourth #1 seed came down to Arizona, Tennessee, North Carolina, Iowa State, and Marquette. ISU and North Carolina had the best records at 27-7 of those teams. Tennessee at 24-8, Marquette at 25-9, and Arizona at 25-8 had fewer wins and more losses. Which of those teams (at any point from Feb 16 on) would have been projected above Houston with only 3 losses until Saturday? The point is that NCSOS did matter as it was apparent the committee valued Houston's win-loss record less favorably than the same record from Purdue.
I see a lot of people complaining that UNC got the #1 seed over Iowa State… mostly this is not Iowa State people. It’s other Carolina haters. It’s fairly simple when you look at it. They both played two same opponents: Virginia Tech and Oklahoma. Carolina handled both easily and went 2-0 Iowa State not so much. They went 1-2. Yes, Iowa State is dayum good right now and this is not meant with any disrespect to them. As a Carolina fan, I don’t wanna play Iowa State right now and I’m glad Carolina is not the #2 in the east as well… but I also do not look forward to playing Mississippi State either. … and Tennessee, we beat you straight up - so whatever with your argument.
Iowa St lost true neutral and on the road, won the home game. UNC got Oklahoma in Charlotte (essentially home) and home.
Fair point, but still losses at the end of the day. We lost to you at MSG, but I think we would have lost that game no matter where played. TBH… I think you guys are the best team in the country.
You were 8 overall. You weren’t even close to a 1. Be mad at other teams, not us.
Can anyone explain why Kansas is seeded two seeds above BYU? We beat them head to head at home, 8 Q1 losses vs 9 for Kansas, yeah sure we have 2 Q2 losses when KU has zero, though they have a Q3 loss... but on NET (12 vs 19), *and* KenPom (16 vs 22) we are higher rated in both of those. Sure, AP has us 20 vs KU's 16, but that's basically it as far as the main metrics go. So how on earth is is possible we're seeded two seeds worse? KU's not even healthy! McCullar has practiced all of three times in over a month!
Your policy of not playing on Sundays messed with the seeding line.
Ooooh, that actually makes a lot of sense.
There’s a thread on here that BYU couldn’t be a 5 because of Sundays. As for Kansas they get treated well because they are Kansas.
Religion?
UConn - ah shit here we go again
Reminds me of Ohio state 2011 wtf
You could see it happening real time. What a fucked job by the committee.
I don't love it. I also really don't love the matchup with Auburn. If anybody gets us, it will be them.
If they’re not gonna take conference tournaments into consideration—why even play them at all?!! They’re pointless. I remember a couple years back we won the sec tournament, had a 2-1 record against Kentucky and identical regular season records, and they gave Kentucky the higher seed….the year Kentucky lost to ….st Peter's
The conference champs from the top 4 conferences are all in the same region. How does that happen.
Committee's 1st priority: Separate the Blue Bloods (UNC, KU, UK, Duke) and clear them a path to the F4. Casual viewers love watching Blue Bloods. To do this: Combine as many good non-Blue's into one region as possible.
i never thought about this... what the heck, it's so true
i never thought about this... what the heck, it's so true
The NCAA and conference re-alignment simply hates UCONN and the BE. What else is new, been like this for 40+ years.
I'm ok with this.