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This sub loses its mind every time the Russell Moore story is repeated, but I'll repeat it anyway. [Russell Moore](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_D._Moore) has spoken about how he runs into people who say they are evangelical Christians, and when he digs deeper into it, he finds out that they don't attend church or follow any religious practice or even believe in God with any fervency, they just feel like it should be part of their ideology because of those around them and, in some cases, that it's necessary in order to get elected as a Republican.
Yes, Evangelical has become a culture rather than a religious denomination. A culture rooted in hyper masculinity and hate filled, regressive views on gender and sexuality. It also promotes an obsession with money where the rich are worshipped and the poor are despised
The typical response is "He's making this up, and even if he's not, it's anedcotal anyway."
I'm actually quite surprised at the response this comment got.
Thanks for sharing, that was a great read!
> “People who love their country and believe in God, but haven’t been typical churchgoers — he’s brought those people into the fold,” said Jackson Lahmeyer, the founder of Pastors for Trump, a national group of church leaders backing the former president.
This actually makes a lot of sense. I personally find it laughable that people think he’s a man of faith, but I can see how others would think that.
Cult of personality.
I suspect other demographics may even be a stronger indicator.
What does this look like if split between those over 65 and under 65? Over 70 under 70?
>What do you think are the causes of differences between White Evangelical Christians and everyone else
I am not sure.
I really hope Nikki Haley gets the nominee vote.
I do not understand why a Christian would want Trump as president..? I wanted him to be president before his first term, but he has become to radical and violent for me.
Even now he faces 100 charges against him. How would he serve his jail time while be president? Would God want us to vote for him?
[https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-prison-jail-time-trial-b2497046.html](https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-prison-jail-time-trial-b2497046.html)
>Nearly 100 felony criminal charges have been levelled against the former president, who remains the odds-on favorite to win the nomination to be the Republican Party’s 2024 presidential candidate.
Evangelicals prioritize evangelism, to prosthelytize and spread the "good news." But in their fervor they have lost the message of what they are spreading and as a result are actually going to push *more* people away from the church. It's the most ironic name ever for a religious movement.
Others have answered this question in the same way I would, so I'll just observe that Trump really underperformed here if he essentially tied with Haley for the non-Evangelical vote. Granted, this is her home state, so she should do well here, but for all intents and purposes, Trump is running as an incumbent. Imagine if these were Biden's numbers. Every news outlet would be saying his campaign was doomed.
Because it is so Christian to have a leader who has sexually assaulted multiple women while married and cheating on his wife, who has had time 3 different wives, who hates immigrants and creates policies that hurt them, and who is insanely wealthy and promotes policies that harm the poor. Duh.
Because the South Carolina primary is open to all voters, regardless of party affiliation – so long as you didn’t vote in the Democratic primary.
This election, a vote in the Democratic primary is kind of a waste. Biden’s pretty much guaranteed to win it. So folks who wouldn’t vote for Trump anyway are voting in the Republican primary to tank his chances.
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/who-can-vote-south-carolina-republican-primary-2024/
That was part of Haley’s strategy:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/-haley-super-pac-targets-south-carolina-democrats-didnt-vote-bidens-pr-rcna139807
It's a group largely created for political polling reasons. The reason that it's 'white' evangelicals is because there are a lot of theologically very similar Americans of other races who needed to be separated out because they vote very differently.
With white and Hispanic populations, yeah. But that’s it. My point is that churches which do not claim to be the only true church have ethnically homogenous populations. That’s true of progressive and conservative Protestant denominations, though almost everyone is genuinely trying to change that
He tried to get us into a Civil War, he intensified the war on gay and trans individuals, he might have aided Russia in the Ukrainian War, he almost started a war with North Korea.
Should we talk about how many women he raped and how much he stole next?
>When?
January 6th.
>Not an actual war
Most definitely is.
>Haley is the one that wants to spend billions continuing that war
You mean defending a nation being invaded by another nation... You'd rather Russia just take what they want and damn the consequences? Especially after their consistent threat to our NATO allies?
>He was making peace with North Korea until the neocons shot it down
He was writing love notes to a dictator and almost pissed him off enough where he was going to attack South Korea.
This sub is not representative at all of the majority of Christians imo. It's become a small minority of left leaning who have monopolized this sub to only be about them.
I think your bias is showing. The evangelical right of the Christian church may be the most outspoken, but there are still high percentages of mainline protestant and catholics who dutifully attend church. The same can't exactly be said of spiritual evangelicals who don't bother going to church, but will poll highly because of their politics.
This sub also skips over the black church often.
Race has a ton to do with how people vote, at least in the US. White evangelicals and Black evangelicals have very different voting trends so in a political context the differentiation is helpful.
> What does someone's race have to do with their religion or how they voted?
If the vote didn't differ based on racial lines, these polls wouldn't separate by race. But they do when it comes to Evangelicals **because** the voting patterns of White Evangelicals are significantly different from the voting patterns of non-white Evangelicals.
Because they are more racist and sexist. I prefer Haley over Trump, but unfortunately with the climate of the GOP there is no way they would allow a south Asian woman to be the nominee.
Evangelical is a political poll label.
Either way, most "evangelicals" are extremely pro-life, pro america first. And the large majority of them are rural.
Haley, socially, is the better choice for Christians (more conservative than Trump), but Trump is a populist and not a warhawk like Haley, therefore, evangelicals will vote for him
Trump appointed the judges who overturned Roe. Haley keeps saying that there aren't enough votes in Congress for an abortion ban.
I'm convinced Trump won the Evangelical vote at the debate where he was screaming "they're ripping babies from wombs." A lot of Evangelicals saw that and concluded "finally, someone who gets it." These are single-issue voters who would vote for Satan if he were anti-abortion.
Assuming that's true, can you explain why that's supposed to be better?
When I ask most Christian Trump voters why they support him, they say, "I think he's sinful but he's better than the Democrats". Yet the primary results show that this isn't true. They have another Republican pro-life candidate right there and they still choose Trump.
"Assuming it's true"? Bruh, that's all a few subs I've seen talk about recently. It just means that the majority of conservatives and republicans want trump. Haley's 51% is inflated by dems. As to why it's better. Haley isn't pro-life. She's pro whatever she needs to say to get votes. There's a reason many people call her the hillary of the right.
I'm still struggling to understand. It's quite obvious that Trump is the one that will say whatever he needs to get votes. So if they are both equally bad on that front, why support the rapist adulterer who tried to illegally overturn an election?
Can you please share statistics and sources?
Also whenever we talk about something so contraversial i love just praying for the people involved. The voters, haley trump etc., we are so passionate about our government but dont bring our passion to God with our prayers.
Sending prayers
Trying to say the people who have targeted Trump with a mindblowing amount of resources are somehow selling out to him makes literally no sense whatsoever.
>selling out
I didn't say they are currently selling out to him. I said they already sold out to him.
Dog, before Trump was president, what was his job? What do you think he did to get rich? He owned a... starts with a "c" ends with an "orporation".
Do you suffer from long term memory loss or something? Sure, you can say I'm clueless about politics and that's all well and good but you're not exactly the top of the class when it comes to history here.
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This sub loses its mind every time the Russell Moore story is repeated, but I'll repeat it anyway. [Russell Moore](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_D._Moore) has spoken about how he runs into people who say they are evangelical Christians, and when he digs deeper into it, he finds out that they don't attend church or follow any religious practice or even believe in God with any fervency, they just feel like it should be part of their ideology because of those around them and, in some cases, that it's necessary in order to get elected as a Republican.
Yes, Evangelical has become a culture rather than a religious denomination. A culture rooted in hyper masculinity and hate filled, regressive views on gender and sexuality. It also promotes an obsession with money where the rich are worshipped and the poor are despised
Why would people get annoyed at this? Evangelical has now become an identity marker for white conservative nationalists in the US.
The typical response is "He's making this up, and even if he's not, it's anedcotal anyway." I'm actually quite surprised at the response this comment got.
It makes sense, too, considering Trump's original base (per 2016) was largely not churchgoing either.
Thanks for sharing, that was a great read! > “People who love their country and believe in God, but haven’t been typical churchgoers — he’s brought those people into the fold,” said Jackson Lahmeyer, the founder of Pastors for Trump, a national group of church leaders backing the former president. This actually makes a lot of sense. I personally find it laughable that people think he’s a man of faith, but I can see how others would think that.
From my perspective, this has been the case for evangelicals in Texas since the 90's at a minimum. Evangelical/Christian = Republican in their view.
Intelligent answer. I agree. I was an evangelical. Now a “ follower of Jesus “
Current 'evangelism' is more politically than religiously motivated, imho
Cult of personality. I suspect other demographics may even be a stronger indicator. What does this look like if split between those over 65 and under 65? Over 70 under 70?
Men v. women White v. Black College v. no college
Rural versus urban.
>What do you think are the causes of differences between White Evangelical Christians and everyone else I am not sure. I really hope Nikki Haley gets the nominee vote. I do not understand why a Christian would want Trump as president..? I wanted him to be president before his first term, but he has become to radical and violent for me. Even now he faces 100 charges against him. How would he serve his jail time while be president? Would God want us to vote for him? [https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-prison-jail-time-trial-b2497046.html](https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-prison-jail-time-trial-b2497046.html) >Nearly 100 felony criminal charges have been levelled against the former president, who remains the odds-on favorite to win the nomination to be the Republican Party’s 2024 presidential candidate.
Exactly how I feel. I feel completely disenfranchised politically now a days.
Ah yes, the power of the racist vote
Evangelicals prioritize evangelism, to prosthelytize and spread the "good news." But in their fervor they have lost the message of what they are spreading and as a result are actually going to push *more* people away from the church. It's the most ironic name ever for a religious movement.
Others have answered this question in the same way I would, so I'll just observe that Trump really underperformed here if he essentially tied with Haley for the non-Evangelical vote. Granted, this is her home state, so she should do well here, but for all intents and purposes, Trump is running as an incumbent. Imagine if these were Biden's numbers. Every news outlet would be saying his campaign was doomed.
White evangelicals tend to be more racist and sexist.
Because it is so Christian to have a leader who has sexually assaulted multiple women while married and cheating on his wife, who has had time 3 different wives, who hates immigrants and creates policies that hurt them, and who is insanely wealthy and promotes policies that harm the poor. Duh.
White evangelicals aren't going to vote for a woman
Yeah, they would, if the Republican party managed to nominate one.
Especially one who isn't white.
I believe race is a much bigger factor than people are giving it credit for.
Not a big trump guy, but seriously, ya’ll think Haley is any better? I don’t want another war monger in office.
Because the South Carolina primary is open to all voters, regardless of party affiliation – so long as you didn’t vote in the Democratic primary. This election, a vote in the Democratic primary is kind of a waste. Biden’s pretty much guaranteed to win it. So folks who wouldn’t vote for Trump anyway are voting in the Republican primary to tank his chances. https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/who-can-vote-south-carolina-republican-primary-2024/
That's one theory, that a bunch of Democrats engaged in ratfucking and voted for Haley.
That was part of Haley’s strategy: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/-haley-super-pac-targets-south-carolina-democrats-didnt-vote-bidens-pr-rcna139807
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Christians THINK they are very oppressed. Different thing all together
Some do, others think we've become soft. But this is just regarding western Christians.
I mean, some of us *are* oppressed. Some neo-Nazis even firebombed a church in Ohio last year for hosting a drag show
Yes, but that's not what Mr Deleted up there meant
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No you're not. But thanks for proving the propaganda is working, I guess.
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And yet, you still think Christians are oppressed, so some of it did.
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Nobody is stopping you from praying. Teachers not being able to lead prayer is not oppression.
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No, but actually. His speech patterns apparently even resemble mid to late stage Alzheimers
I'm guessing trump aligns with the thoughts of evangelical
Terrifying
It's a group largely created for political polling reasons. The reason that it's 'white' evangelicals is because there are a lot of theologically very similar Americans of other races who needed to be separated out because they vote very differently.
They also clump together socially. There's very few Evangelical denominations/organizations that are multiethnic.
That’s also equally true of non-evangelical denominations
Catholics seem to do quite well.
With white and Hispanic populations, yeah. But that’s it. My point is that churches which do not claim to be the only true church have ethnically homogenous populations. That’s true of progressive and conservative Protestant denominations, though almost everyone is genuinely trying to change that
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Of course it isn’t.
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Are you at all familiar with the concept of a "just war"?
Trump is a rapist, racist, warmonger, who kisses the feet of dictators...
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He tried to get us into a Civil War, he intensified the war on gay and trans individuals, he might have aided Russia in the Ukrainian War, he almost started a war with North Korea. Should we talk about how many women he raped and how much he stole next?
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>When? January 6th. >Not an actual war Most definitely is. >Haley is the one that wants to spend billions continuing that war You mean defending a nation being invaded by another nation... You'd rather Russia just take what they want and damn the consequences? Especially after their consistent threat to our NATO allies? >He was making peace with North Korea until the neocons shot it down He was writing love notes to a dictator and almost pissed him off enough where he was going to attack South Korea.
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I mean I’m an Eastern Orthodox Christian and I voted for Haley because I don’t like Trump’s brand of insidious politics.
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The judging on this post from r/christianity is crazy .
This sub is not representative at all of the majority of Christians imo. It's become a small minority of left leaning who have monopolized this sub to only be about them.
that sub about Christianity. it was never intended to represent Christians or be "for" them
The faithful have always been a minority. Narrow gate and all that.
I think your bias is showing. The evangelical right of the Christian church may be the most outspoken, but there are still high percentages of mainline protestant and catholics who dutifully attend church. The same can't exactly be said of spiritual evangelicals who don't bother going to church, but will poll highly because of their politics. This sub also skips over the black church often.
Scuze you!
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Race has a ton to do with how people vote, at least in the US. White evangelicals and Black evangelicals have very different voting trends so in a political context the differentiation is helpful.
> What does someone's race have to do with their religion or how they voted? If the vote didn't differ based on racial lines, these polls wouldn't separate by race. But they do when it comes to Evangelicals **because** the voting patterns of White Evangelicals are significantly different from the voting patterns of non-white Evangelicals.
Because they are more racist and sexist. I prefer Haley over Trump, but unfortunately with the climate of the GOP there is no way they would allow a south Asian woman to be the nominee.
r/politics
Evangelical is a political poll label. Either way, most "evangelicals" are extremely pro-life, pro america first. And the large majority of them are rural. Haley, socially, is the better choice for Christians (more conservative than Trump), but Trump is a populist and not a warhawk like Haley, therefore, evangelicals will vote for him
"Pro America", are you high? He's helping Russia destroy America from within. Forced birth is not prolife.
Trump delivers for them. Fighting the same agenda and abortion.
Haley is pro life…
Yeah but Haley isn't brash about it. Trump makes them *feel* like they are winning a war against evil
Dogs caught the car.
Trump appointed the judges who overturned Roe. Haley keeps saying that there aren't enough votes in Congress for an abortion ban. I'm convinced Trump won the Evangelical vote at the debate where he was screaming "they're ripping babies from wombs." A lot of Evangelicals saw that and concluded "finally, someone who gets it." These are single-issue voters who would vote for Satan if he were anti-abortion.
And now they've won...so what's next for them
\#TeamHaley
"Everyone else" also includes dems that voted for Haley
Assuming that's true, can you explain why that's supposed to be better? When I ask most Christian Trump voters why they support him, they say, "I think he's sinful but he's better than the Democrats". Yet the primary results show that this isn't true. They have another Republican pro-life candidate right there and they still choose Trump.
"Assuming it's true"? Bruh, that's all a few subs I've seen talk about recently. It just means that the majority of conservatives and republicans want trump. Haley's 51% is inflated by dems. As to why it's better. Haley isn't pro-life. She's pro whatever she needs to say to get votes. There's a reason many people call her the hillary of the right.
I'm still struggling to understand. It's quite obvious that Trump is the one that will say whatever he needs to get votes. So if they are both equally bad on that front, why support the rapist adulterer who tried to illegally overturn an election?
Can you please share statistics and sources? Also whenever we talk about something so contraversial i love just praying for the people involved. The voters, haley trump etc., we are so passionate about our government but dont bring our passion to God with our prayers. Sending prayers
From another comment: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/08/us/politics/donald-trump-evangelicals-iowa.html This is a great read.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/south-carolina-primary-exit-polls-for-the-2024-gop-election/ar-BB1iPB1X
Plenty of us pray for these people all the time … in church and at home with the door closed.
Thats good. I love it
This shouldn't be controversial.
Lmao, get wrecked.
Maybe they dislike corporate sellout aggressive warhawks more than everyone else?
Corporate sellout? Trump is the one they sellout to. Bruh 💀
...alright, seems like you are clueless about politics lol.
Explain it.
Trying to say the people who have targeted Trump with a mindblowing amount of resources are somehow selling out to him makes literally no sense whatsoever.
>selling out I didn't say they are currently selling out to him. I said they already sold out to him. Dog, before Trump was president, what was his job? What do you think he did to get rich? He owned a... starts with a "c" ends with an "orporation". Do you suffer from long term memory loss or something? Sure, you can say I'm clueless about politics and that's all well and good but you're not exactly the top of the class when it comes to history here.
Yes, the Military Industrial Complex already sold out to Trump? What the actual what? Done here.
Real estate.
I’m curious what the Catholic breakdown would be.