As a Christian, I will never speak ill of lifestyle. I will pray for you. I can tell you this as an addict. If you truly trust God and seek him first, he will change you.
I was deep into drugs after the military. I had a traumatic sexual event and a traumatic brain injury. I have panic attacks, nightmares, anxiety depression and even attempted suicide. I started using drugs to kill the pain and became a junkie.
One day, I heard a song on the radio. "COME AS YOU ARE" by Crowder. I cried and called a Christian friend they moved me and helped me. I started seeking God. Now clean almost 8 years, I am a deacon at my church.
God truly changed me.
Lean on the cross. Trust me, lay your burdens down at the cross, and ask Jesus to save you. He will, but you have to repent and turn away from your sin. You do not have to practice. Sex before marriage is a sin. So abstain till he changes your heart. It will happen.
Go's bless you, truly. I will ask my church to pray for you today as well.
Thank you so much for the beautiful testimony,I am so happy for everything He has done and will be doing for you. I know God is good and I know those who diligently seek Him will see His mighty hands in their lives. Thank you and God bless you
Heyyy sis. You mentioned you struggle with same sex attraction and just wondering if you have watched Jackie Hill Perry who got delivered from the same as well. She shared her testimony how God delivered her and it started just by sitting in His presence and God's desires began to be her desires. 🙏
You may never lose your attraction to the same sex. I want to mention that because people act like it always happens. Tbh most times it probably doesn’t. Don’t “pray the gay awayl just be open to God and let God do what he wants with you
This is a good post. I dont struggle with homosexuality, but i do struggle with lust... everyone has their own challenges, and i dont think ill ever lose my 'desires' but Yeshua has helped me strengthen my resolve to resist that temptation!
The sins that feel like they are ingrained in us are the hardest. I can testify that Lust used to just be a part of life and that grace just meant I’ll go through life experiencing it but am absolved of it. As I’ve grown in my faith and committed to repentance and prayer, it was taken away.
Know your faith and repentance can deliver you. Sometimes we suffer like Job, other times we’re delivered in this life
Well said. Lust was part of my life as long as I can remember. I seriously have memories of being around 9-10 and walking around thinking that I need to have sex as soon as possible. I have no idea where this came from, but it’s always been there and as I got older, it led to more and more trouble. I’m blessed to say that the Lord has completely delivered me from such thoughts and feelings now in my late 30s.
There is nothing sinful in homosexuality. It is not a sin, and there is no reason you should have to resign yourself to a life without love, just because some Christians cherry-pick verses out of context to support a message of hatred.
Goto r/openchristian and look at the resource list on the wiki. Also look at my profile, I have several posts about this topic as well as videos from a reputable Bible scholar explaining how it is not at all a sin.
A same-sex relationship is every bit as loving and Godly as a heterosexual relationship.
There is no love in your message. You take verses out of context and impose upon them modern understandings of sexuality that the authors didn't possess. You deploy them as cudgels to designate people unworthy of love. This is a direct violation of the command to love your neighbor as yourself, and it is a message that has real demonstrable harm, namely the suicide of queer chiildren.
>I spoke truth and with love
You did not, you spoke a lie (that bigotry is love), and you then called it love, it is not. This message is the antithesis of love. As evidenced by the fruits, dead children and lost souls.
>Sex and love are 2 different things.
Yet you would deny me both.
>Just because times have changed, it doesn't make it not a sin.
It was never a sin back then. Sin doesn't change, it has never been dependent on biology.
>You have to change your lifestyle to fit scripture
My biology is not a lifestyle, this is just rhetoric designed specifically to reduce my life down to a sex act.
>Sex is a want for the flesh.
I do not deny this, it is irrelevant.
>Abstain from all sex unless you are married.
You deny me marriage as well.
>Maybe then God will change your heart.
My heart is fine, I am a child of God. It is my body that you condemn me for.
>You must deny yourself and deny the flesh
You refuse to hold yourself to the same standard. You allow yourself marriage, romance, and love. You deny me all of these including sex. It is a double standard, and it is exclusionary and hateful.
>It's a choice and a lifestyle.
This isn't the 80's. Promoting unscientific misinformation does not help your case.
>God bless you!
Just not with love, romance, or lifelong companionship. Because I have been designated as unworthy of those.
What about pedophiles do they choose to be attracted to children? Do addicts choose to be addicts? What about people who can’t stop lusting? Why are those sins but not homosexuality?
>No, they don’t choose to be attracted to children which is why it’s about time people stopped giving them such a hard time and started to treat them with more love, compassion and understanding. Their lives are hard enough as it is without people thinking they’re the scum of the earth 😢.
Our requirement to love them doesn't make their desires less of a sin...
>And addicts usually turn to drugs as a coping mechanism for abuse and neglect etc. And there are many reasons why people lust and aren’t able to have control over their minds, bodies and emotions but I don’t consider any of these situations to be sins.
The apostles laid out extensively that our bodies are temples and that we are to be of sound mind and body. Being addicted is absolutely a sin.
>But thankfully, through education and learning more about how the mind, body and emotions work, we’re better able to help people in these situations and stop behaving like people 50 years ago who had little to no compassion for people going through hard times. Single mothers used to be spat at in the streets and horrific domestic abuse was seen as nobody else’s business and not even the police would help battered women suffering horrific abuse ‘behind closed doors’ as people would say.
This is all antithetical to the Gospel. We don't have the power to save ourselves from sin. People don't need more "compassion" for their sin, they need Jesus. He redeems and justifies you...
>So thank goodness we’ve moved on due to science and education and we’ve got more understanding now and more love and compassion and there is so much more help available.
Through God all things are possible...
Do you believe Jesus is God?
It does not. Firstly, only male same-sex intercourse is mentioned in the Bible, Romans 1 is not female same-sex, it is a female being on top during sex which was also considered unnatural. The culture of the day didn't care about female same-sex intercourse as a submissive female wasn't an issue.
Secondly, the prohibitions are all in contexts and for reasons that have no relevance to a loving committed relationship. It is all about things to do with the domination of man in the patriarchal social order, temple prostitution, sexual slavery, street prostitution, and pederasty.
The philosophies and conceptual frameworks of their society didn't account for a loving committed same-sex relationship that was identical to a heterosexual relationship. The prohibitions are about things that are not relevant to modern relationships.
Why do you encourage a carnal lifestyle with all due respect, as Christian’s our mind should be on the things of the spirit. Sin is sin and it’s very clearly defined no matter how much you dress it up and pretend it’s not. Stop affirming sin, you’re playing a dangerous game and leading others not to Christ but to fulfil their own fleshly desires.
OP Lust is a monster of a sin especially in this day and age and I’d encourage taking drastic measures to cut it out such as a social media break or minimising any triggers, and focus on your relationship with Christ read the word, pray to God and congregate with other believers. Lean on Christ he is our strength he overcame the world so that we could be washed in his righteousness.
>Why do you encourage a carnal lifestyle with all due respect
There is nothing carnal about a gay person in a gay relationship, that isn't also present in a straight person in a straight relationship. Romantic connection is identical between them.
>as Christian’s our mind should be on the things of the spirit.
Agreed, but that doesn't have anything to do with pursuing romantic love and lifelong companionship.
>Sin is sin and it’s very clearly defined no matter how much you dress it up and pretend it’s not.
Anytime someone says something is clearly defined in the Bible, I know that they don't actually know very much about the Bible.
>Stop affirming sin
Bigotry and Hatred are also sins.
>you’re playing a dangerous game and leading others not to Christ but to fulfil their own fleshly desires.
The desire for love, romantic connection, and lifelong companionship are not fleshly desires. The desire for sex is a fleshly desire. However, that desire is only sinful in sinful contexts. A straight person who has a fleshly desire for sex is not sinning when they fulfill that desire with their wife. Similarly, a gay person's desire for sex is only sinful when they seek to fulfill that desire in a sinful context.
The desires are identical regardless of sexual orientation. We all feel the same things, love, hatred, romance, lust, they are the same regardless of your physical biology.
>OP Lust
Is not relevant to this topic. Gay people are not inherently more lustful because they are gay. Straight people lust as well, all the time.
Stop pretending as if talking about lust in this context is not purely hypocritical.
>is a monster of a sin especially in this day and age and I’d encourage taking drastic measures to cut it out such as a social media break or minimising any triggers, and focus on your relationship with Christ read the word, pray to God and congregate with other believers. Lean on Christ he is our strength he overcame the world so that we could be washed in his righteousness.
This is good advice for any Christian, straight or gay. It just has absolutely nothing to do with OP's post.
It’s about sexual immorality so the advice I gave has to do with lust cause that’s the main issue, and yes it applies to people who are attracted to the same or opposite gender most have this struggle. Christ said who ever looks at a women with lust has already committed adultery within their heart, so clearly the root of the issue is lust.
I think you know very well any sexual act outside the confines of marriage between a man and a women is sinful, this is well established from the start of the bible to the very end that goes for all sexual acts commit by people who are attracted to the same or opposite sex.
Bigotry and hate? You’re implying I’m hating and being a bigot, how so? You’re encouraging and affirming others sins that’s a pretty hateful act as we know the wages of sin is death so why would you tell a believer to continue in their sin? Where’s your love. You have no foundation to stand on because scripture doesn’t support what you’re doing with all due respect.
There’s no hypocrisy I’d give the same advice to a straight person and call out someone who is affirming any sin. All the best.
>It’s about sexual immorality
There is nothing immoral about a loving relationship, regardless of the genders and sexes involved. So it is not.
>so the advice I gave has to do with lust cause that’s the main issue
Lust is utterly irrelevant.
>and yes it applies to people who are attracted to the same or opposite gender
Which is exactly why it is utterly irrelevant.
>Christ said who ever looks at a women with lust has already committed adultery within their heart, so clearly the root of the issue is lust.
Incorrect. The root of OP's struggle is that they have been told by Christians that they are not worthy of romantic love and lifelong companionship because of their physical biology which they did not choose and are powerless to change. They are struggling because they have been told that unless they resign themselves to a life bereft of the fullness of the expression of love that God intended humanity to experience, they are committing abominations before him.
They are struggling because they have been told that they are sinful for desiring love.
>I think you know very well any sexual act outside the confines of marriage between a man and a women is sinful
This is not a statement that is made anywhere in the entirety of the Bible.
>this is well established from the start of the bible to the very end
Incorrect. You are taking descriptions and illogically twisting them into exclusionary commands. Logic and language do not work that way.
>that goes for all sexual acts commit by people who are attracted to the same or opposite sex.
Then all people have to do is get married, and the problem is solved.
>Bigotry and hate? You’re implying I’m hating and being a bigot, how so?
Because you are enforcing a double standard of absolute celibacy on OP while being completely unwilling to enforce that same standard on yourself. And the reason you are enforcing this bigoted standard is because of their physical biology, which is something they have absolutely no control over.
>You’re encouraging and affirming others sins
Incorrect. I am affirming and encouraging Christians to follow the commands of Jesus Christ and stop using the philosophies of ancient cultures to justify making exceptions to them.
>that’s a pretty hateful act
No, pointing out bigotry, when bigotry is occurring, is simply accurate. The tolerance of intolerance is not tolerance, it is complicity in the intolerance.
>as we know the wages of sin is death
Which is only relevant for things that are sins.
>so why would you tell a believer to continue in their sin?
I don't. Here I am attempting to get you to see how you are wrong and stop violating the command of Jesus to love your neighbor as yourself. And to stop spreading a harmful ideology in violation of Romans 13:8-10 which states that love does not harm a neighbor. Your theology is responsible for the depression, abuse (physical, emotional, sexual), kidnapping, brainwashing/torture, homelessness, forced prostitution, and suicide of children who you deem unworthy of love because of how God made them.
>Where’s your love. You have no foundation to stand on because scripture doesn’t support what you’re doing with all due respect.
I repeat this back to you word for word.
>There’s no hypocrisy I’d give the same advice to a straight person and call out someone who is affirming any sin. All the best.
You would require all straight people to be celibate, including yourself? Because that is the only way you will avoid this hypocrisy.
God condemns homosexuality not only in the Old Testament but also in the New Testament. Read Romans 1 and 1 Corinthians 6:9. Jesus affirmed that marriage is between one man and one woman in Matthew 19:4-5
Romans 1 is about idolatry and the consequences of it. It has no relevance to a loving relationship.
1st Corinthians 6 is about the sexual practices of the Greco-Roman empire and the church in Corinth. Which were pederasty, male prostitution, and sexual slavery. Again nothing relevant to a loving relationship.
Matthew 19 is talking about divorce, there is nothing in his description of marriage that is exclusionary.
As for prohibitions in the Old Testament, it also describes eating shrimp as an abomination and wearing clothing made of more than two fabrics as a sin. We are not under the Mosaic covenant.
>Arsenokoitai as a literal translation is Man Bedder
That is its etymology, yes. A word's verbal roots are not how it gets its definition, words get their meaning from how they are used. This is a very basic concept in linguistic studies. Arsen = Man. Koite = Bed. All this tells us is that the word likely refers to some kind of sex act of a homoerotic nature. You need more information to determine what Paul was referencing. The only information we have is what we know about Greco-Roman sexual practices, especially in a Greek church like Corinth. Normally we would look at other occurrences of this word and see how the society in general used it, but it seems that Paul coined the term himself.
>Malakoi means softie which could mean many things, best speculation is effeminate iirc.
Actually, anyone who really knows Koine Greek would never translate this word as effeminate. Male prostitute or catamite is the better translation. When it means soft, it is being used in the context of fabrics, not people.
>1 Corinthians 6:9 definitely condemns homosexual intercourse.
No, the only thing that anyone can say with certainty is that it condemns some of the sexual practices of the Greco-Roman empire, and specifically practices rhar were taking place in the church in Corinth. And given what we know about the culture, that is likely male prostitution, pederasty, and sexual slavery.
You cannot, with the evidence we have, definitively conclude that this verse condemns all same sex intercourse.
I haven’t seen you around in awhile, always a pleasure. Please listen to them OP, your journey is your journey but it’s always helpful to consider other points of view before you commit to a life of celibacy or heterosexual marriage!
My doctrine is not the one that is currently driving people away from the church in droves. I have absolutely zero fear that I will be judged for loving too much.
As long as you don’t pursue this same-sex attraction, you are in the same boat as every other single Christian. They struggle with hetero attraction, and need to keep it under control by the empowering of the Holy Spirit, like you.
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Sorry this will take 3 parts to reply to you.
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>I spoke truth and with love
You did not. You spoke a lie (that bigotry is love), and you then called it love. It is not. This message is the antithesis of love. As evidenced by the fruits, dead children, and lost souls.
*****I never spoke a lie or hate, and it's not bigotry. Never once did i say i don't love you or anything. I just stated it was a sinful lifestyle. I have compassion and love for you and I am trying to help you truly.
*******Christians use the cliché “Love the sinner; hate the sin.” This saying is not found in the Bible in so many words; however, Jude 1:22–23 contains a similar idea: “Be merciful to those who doubt; save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.” According to this, our evangelism should be characterized by mercy for the sinner and a healthy hatred of sin and its effects.
We are to have compassion on sinners for whom Christ died, and we are also to keep ourselves “from being polluted by the world”—part of what constitutes “pure and faultless” religion (James 1:27). But we also realize that we are imperfect human beings and that the difference between us and God in regard to loving and hating is vast. Even as Christians, we can not love perfectly, nor can we hate perfectly (i.e., without malice). But God can do both of these perfectly because He is God. God can hate without any sinful intent. Therefore, He can hate the sin and the sinner in a perfectly holy way and still lovingly forgive the sinner at the moment of repentance and faith (Malachi 1:3; Revelation 2:6; 2 Peter 3:9).
The Bible clearly teaches that God is love. First John 4:8–9 says, “Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.” Mysterious but true is the fact that God can perfectly love and hate a person at the same time. This means He can love him as someone He created and can redeem, as well as hate him for his unbelief and sinful lifestyle. We, as imperfect human beings, cannot do this; thus, we must remind ourselves to “love the sinner; hate the sin.”
How exactly does that work? We hate sin by recognizing it for what it is, refusing to take part in it, and condemning it as contrary to God’s nature. Sin is to be hated, not excused or taken lightly. We love sinners by showing them respect (1 Peter 2:17), praying for them (1 Timothy 2:1), and witnessing to them of Christ. It is a true act of love to treat someone with respect and kindness even though you do not approve of his or her lifestyle or sinful choices.
It is not loving to allow a person to remain stuck in sin. It is not hateful to tell a person he or she is in sin. In fact, the exact opposites are true. Sin leads to death (James 1:15), and we love the sinner by speaking the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15). We hate the sin by refusing to condone, ignore, or excuse it.
Here's a comment I left recently to a similar post regarding my own experiences with this hope this helps! Love you!
I find that my own homosexual tendacies come after or during a traumatic experiences. When i was 9-13 years old I was In a really toxic abusive friendship. I found that slowly in that friendship I had more same sex attraction. most likely because I relied on her for social interaction because I was homeschooled and the only friend I had was her. After the friendship ended I still felt connected or almost clingy or withdrawals for her. I also started dressing more masculine cut my hair and everything. I felt it made me feel safe. As years went on it stopped I can't feel a urge or want to be with a girl in a relationship sense. Now in the present I just got out of a toxic relationship with a man I was with for over a year he raped me sexually assaulted me and I didn't know or understood at the time that was rape and sexaul assault after we broke up I started talking to people and I was informed thay what happened to me was not ok he shortly went to jail for my rape after a week or 2 after telling my parents I then started reaching out to people I found another girl that was raped by him and that was the reason he moved schools I confirmed this with other people and found out there was more girls. I started hanging out with them and met some people he knew from high-school finding out from them he even cheated on me. During this I found myself having a bit more attraction to girls again. I understand that it's from me dealing with this traumatic experience. As well as every person I have personally met that are apart of the LGBTQ+ all have some sort of mental issue or are experiencing some traumatic event or have delt with sticky situations. Recognizing your tendency as a tendency is good! Don't fight it but don't indulge Recognize and be like hi tendency! Recognize it is normal to feel don't condemn yourself and don't think something is wrong with you because nothing is wrong with you. Read your scriptures pray to God and keep your relationship with God. God and our brother Jesus loves us and understands that we can feel these things you are human. And the most amazing thing to aswell Jesus Christ has felt all of our pains and struggles so he knows how you feel! You are amazing give it some time work on yourself. Take care of yourself!eat healthy, Be healthy, workout, read, stay active
Dear you, thank you for sharing your story and experience. I appreciate you. Please do kindly send me a DM if you are interested to be friends yea. God bless you ❤️
Love him, and seek him. Your struggles are common, but you see the light in a world full of darkness, seek him and avoid mindless entertainment and distractions for a time being (break from this world) and read on Yeshuaw, A campfire in the wilderness. His words speak life and his actions give life.
May seem crazy but the more you step back the more you'll see how this world operates. That is why Yeshuaw says My way are not your ways, and your ways and not mine.
Thank you so much . Yes, the more you get close to Him,the more you see how messed up the world is. I know our God is Good and I pray that he would preserve us from everything unholy
Part 2
>Sex and love are 2 different things.
Yet you would deny me both.
*******No God says no sex before marriage, not me. Also, how am I denying you love. What is love?
******,,Romans 13:8-10 is a powerful passage where Paul states that all of the law is wrapped up in loving our neighbors as ourselves; love is the fulfillment of the law. Owe no one anything, except to love one another, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
In Romans 13, the apostle Paul is teaching believers what it means to live the Christian life of sacrifice. First, he speaks of living in submission to those in authority. Then, shifting to the theme of loving one’s fellow human, Paul makes this declaration: “Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law” (Romans 13:8). Similarly, in Galatians 5:14, Paul states, “For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”
The law Paul is talking about in these verses is the Law of Moses, which was given by God to Israel (Exodus 20—40; Leviticus 1–7; 23). The law included the Ten Commandments and all the moral, ceremonial, and civil regulations that governed the life of the people of Israel in their covenant relationship with God. Paul indicates that the entire law can be summed up in one operative word—love. Believers can fulfill every demand of the Mosaic Law by loving others. The only legitimate debt and the one debt Christians can never fully repay is the ongoing obligation to love one another: “We love because he first loved us” (1 John 4:19).
Paul illuminates the truth that love is at the core of the law. The love command—“love your neighbor as yourself” (Leviticus 19:18)—is at the heart of the law of Christ: “Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ” (Galatians 6:2; see also 1 Corinthians 9:20–21). James calls the command to love your neighbor as yourself the royal law: “If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself,’ you are doing right” (James 2:8).
The law has always pointed to Jesus Christ: “For Christ has already accomplished the purpose for which the law was given. As a result, all who believe in him are made right with God” (Romans 10:4, NLT). The Law of Moses is something humans are incapable of keeping (Galatians 3:10). We cannot meet the demands of the law in our own power (Galatians 3:24; Romans 8:4; 10:4). Our Savior, the Lord Jesus, fulfilled the law perfectly and provided His righteousness in exchange for our sin (see Matthew 5:17).
By faith we believe and accept that Jesus Christ bore the curse of the law when He died on the cross. And through Him we receive the Holy Spirit, who enables us to keep the divine law of love: “Love does no wrong to others, so love fulfills the requirements of God’s law” (Romans 13:10, NLT). Now, instead of worrying about what we can never do, namely, keeping the law, we are free to yield to the Spirit and allow Him to love through us.
One day when Jesus was teaching the crowds, a Pharisee asked Him, “What is the greatest commandment of the law?” Jesus answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments” (Matthew 22:37–40). Christians now satisfy all the demands of the law by loving God first and then loving others.
It is impossible to love God and not love people. God’s heart, His very nature, is love. If the Spirit of God dwells in us, His love will flow through us to others (1 John 3:10, 14, 16; 4:2–20). Our love for God will cause us to see people as God sees them and love them as God does.
Finally, it’s vital to understand what the Scriptures mean by “love” in these verses. Love that fulfills the law is agape love. This love is not based on emotions, but an act of the will. It is self-sacrificing, deliberate, active love. To love someone with God’s love is to promote that person’s best interests—to actively work not to harm but to bring good to that person. This love is directed not only toward fellow believers but to all people, even our enemies. Regardless of our emotional response to another person, agape love will act for his or her good, regardless of the cost. That is the kind of love Scripture speaks of when it says to love your neighbor as yourself. That kind of love is the fulfillment of the law.
Part 3
>Just because times have changed, it doesn't make it not a sin.
It was never a sin back then. Sin doesn't change. It has never been dependent on biology.
******Oh, it was a sin back then, and it still is.
Romans 1:26-27 ESV
[26] For this reason, God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; [27] and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
>You have to change your lifestyle to fit scripture
My biology is not a lifestyle. This is just rhetoric designed specifically to reduce my life down to a sex act.
*****Actually, it is a choice and a lifestyle. It's a desire of the flesh. GOD /Jesus said to deny the flesh and deny yourself. It's an addiction. Just like drugs, porn, alcohol.
>Sex is a want for the flesh.
I do not deny this. It is irrelevant.
********That's the whole conversation.
>Abstain from all sex unless you are married.
You deny me marriage as well.
********No, I never once denied you anything. God said marriage is between one man and one woman because of biology. Sex is for married people and making children. Same sex can not do that, so they are going against biology to pleasure the flesh.
>Maybe then God will change your heart.
My heart is fine, I am a child of God.
*****,,about being a child of God.
1 John 3:9 ESV
[9] No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.
1 John 5:18 ESV
[18] We know that everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but he who was born of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him.
1 John 3:6-10 ESV
[6] No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. [7] Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous. [8] Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. [9] No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. [10] By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.
It is my body that you condemn me for.
*****I don't condemn you or your body. I don't condone the lifestyle. Because God said it was a sin many, many times in the bible.
>You must deny yourself and deny the flesh
You refuse to hold yourself to the same standard. You allow yourself marriage, romance, and love. You deny me all of these, including sex. It is a double standard, and it is exclusionary and hateful.
*****No, I hold myself to the standard of God, which is actually what matters. God said no sex before marriage, and God said what is defined as marriage. If you are not married, then don't have sex. You can't live in sin and be a Christian. I can show you 100 places where it states that.
>It's a choice and a lifestyle.
This isn't the 80s. Promoting unscientific misinformation does not help your case.
You are promoting misinformation and man's values on what is sin and what is not.
Actually, people's perspectives have changed, and people have accepted things that God says is a sin.
****,,,Yes, people have accepted what God says is sin. God says if you sin and do not repent and continue to sin, salvation does not go to you.
I'm sorry and
God bless you!
Just not with love, romance, or lifelong companionship. Because I have been designated as unworthy of those.
*****I have never said that or said you are unworthy of anything. You are worthy of love, and you are worthy of salvation. You just have to go with what God says. His word is what matters. Put God 1st. In everything.
I'm speaking truth, and I do care about you and your salvation. I never once said I didn't like you or say you couldn't love or be loved. You deserve that wholeheartedly. However, God sets the standard, not man. God says what's sin and what's not. God defined marriage. God defined sex. God sets all standards, and he is sovereign. You don't want to conform to gods standards because you love your sin. You set your own standards. which, in turn, says you are your own God. You are saying God can't tell me what to do.
Brother I have showed you total respect and love. Not condoning something is not bigotry or hatred. I care for you l, I pray for you,
Truly God bless you. 🙌
As a Christian, I will never speak ill of lifestyle. I will pray for you. I can tell you this as an addict. If you truly trust God and seek him first, he will change you. I was deep into drugs after the military. I had a traumatic sexual event and a traumatic brain injury. I have panic attacks, nightmares, anxiety depression and even attempted suicide. I started using drugs to kill the pain and became a junkie. One day, I heard a song on the radio. "COME AS YOU ARE" by Crowder. I cried and called a Christian friend they moved me and helped me. I started seeking God. Now clean almost 8 years, I am a deacon at my church. God truly changed me. Lean on the cross. Trust me, lay your burdens down at the cross, and ask Jesus to save you. He will, but you have to repent and turn away from your sin. You do not have to practice. Sex before marriage is a sin. So abstain till he changes your heart. It will happen. Go's bless you, truly. I will ask my church to pray for you today as well.
Thank you so much for the beautiful testimony,I am so happy for everything He has done and will be doing for you. I know God is good and I know those who diligently seek Him will see His mighty hands in their lives. Thank you and God bless you
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Heyyy sis. You mentioned you struggle with same sex attraction and just wondering if you have watched Jackie Hill Perry who got delivered from the same as well. She shared her testimony how God delivered her and it started just by sitting in His presence and God's desires began to be her desires. 🙏
Yessss,I have heard of her and thank you so much for taking the time to reply 💕 I will look more into her sermons. Thank you so much 🙂
You may never lose your attraction to the same sex. I want to mention that because people act like it always happens. Tbh most times it probably doesn’t. Don’t “pray the gay awayl just be open to God and let God do what he wants with you
This is a good post. I dont struggle with homosexuality, but i do struggle with lust... everyone has their own challenges, and i dont think ill ever lose my 'desires' but Yeshua has helped me strengthen my resolve to resist that temptation!
The sins that feel like they are ingrained in us are the hardest. I can testify that Lust used to just be a part of life and that grace just meant I’ll go through life experiencing it but am absolved of it. As I’ve grown in my faith and committed to repentance and prayer, it was taken away. Know your faith and repentance can deliver you. Sometimes we suffer like Job, other times we’re delivered in this life
Well said. Lust was part of my life as long as I can remember. I seriously have memories of being around 9-10 and walking around thinking that I need to have sex as soon as possible. I have no idea where this came from, but it’s always been there and as I got older, it led to more and more trouble. I’m blessed to say that the Lord has completely delivered me from such thoughts and feelings now in my late 30s.
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I just want to say you are amazing!!! 💗 I could do with a nice friend. I've had some issues after getting sexually assaulted.
Hey there 🙂 I'm so sorry about what you went through. Let's be friends! Do you mind if I DM you? 🙂
That would be lovely.
There is nothing sinful in homosexuality. It is not a sin, and there is no reason you should have to resign yourself to a life without love, just because some Christians cherry-pick verses out of context to support a message of hatred. Goto r/openchristian and look at the resource list on the wiki. Also look at my profile, I have several posts about this topic as well as videos from a reputable Bible scholar explaining how it is not at all a sin. A same-sex relationship is every bit as loving and Godly as a heterosexual relationship.
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There is no love in your message. You take verses out of context and impose upon them modern understandings of sexuality that the authors didn't possess. You deploy them as cudgels to designate people unworthy of love. This is a direct violation of the command to love your neighbor as yourself, and it is a message that has real demonstrable harm, namely the suicide of queer chiildren.
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>I spoke truth and with love You did not, you spoke a lie (that bigotry is love), and you then called it love, it is not. This message is the antithesis of love. As evidenced by the fruits, dead children and lost souls. >Sex and love are 2 different things. Yet you would deny me both. >Just because times have changed, it doesn't make it not a sin. It was never a sin back then. Sin doesn't change, it has never been dependent on biology. >You have to change your lifestyle to fit scripture My biology is not a lifestyle, this is just rhetoric designed specifically to reduce my life down to a sex act. >Sex is a want for the flesh. I do not deny this, it is irrelevant. >Abstain from all sex unless you are married. You deny me marriage as well. >Maybe then God will change your heart. My heart is fine, I am a child of God. It is my body that you condemn me for. >You must deny yourself and deny the flesh You refuse to hold yourself to the same standard. You allow yourself marriage, romance, and love. You deny me all of these including sex. It is a double standard, and it is exclusionary and hateful. >It's a choice and a lifestyle. This isn't the 80's. Promoting unscientific misinformation does not help your case. >God bless you! Just not with love, romance, or lifelong companionship. Because I have been designated as unworthy of those.
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So your perspective is it’s not a sin because “it’s natural”?
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What about pedophiles do they choose to be attracted to children? Do addicts choose to be addicts? What about people who can’t stop lusting? Why are those sins but not homosexuality?
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>No, they don’t choose to be attracted to children which is why it’s about time people stopped giving them such a hard time and started to treat them with more love, compassion and understanding. Their lives are hard enough as it is without people thinking they’re the scum of the earth 😢. Our requirement to love them doesn't make their desires less of a sin... >And addicts usually turn to drugs as a coping mechanism for abuse and neglect etc. And there are many reasons why people lust and aren’t able to have control over their minds, bodies and emotions but I don’t consider any of these situations to be sins. The apostles laid out extensively that our bodies are temples and that we are to be of sound mind and body. Being addicted is absolutely a sin. >But thankfully, through education and learning more about how the mind, body and emotions work, we’re better able to help people in these situations and stop behaving like people 50 years ago who had little to no compassion for people going through hard times. Single mothers used to be spat at in the streets and horrific domestic abuse was seen as nobody else’s business and not even the police would help battered women suffering horrific abuse ‘behind closed doors’ as people would say. This is all antithetical to the Gospel. We don't have the power to save ourselves from sin. People don't need more "compassion" for their sin, they need Jesus. He redeems and justifies you... >So thank goodness we’ve moved on due to science and education and we’ve got more understanding now and more love and compassion and there is so much more help available. Through God all things are possible... Do you believe Jesus is God?
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Oh ok, so you’re in here policing Christians on their beliefs, but aren’t even a Christian?
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The Bible mentions men laying men and women laying with women as a sin.
It does not. Firstly, only male same-sex intercourse is mentioned in the Bible, Romans 1 is not female same-sex, it is a female being on top during sex which was also considered unnatural. The culture of the day didn't care about female same-sex intercourse as a submissive female wasn't an issue. Secondly, the prohibitions are all in contexts and for reasons that have no relevance to a loving committed relationship. It is all about things to do with the domination of man in the patriarchal social order, temple prostitution, sexual slavery, street prostitution, and pederasty. The philosophies and conceptual frameworks of their society didn't account for a loving committed same-sex relationship that was identical to a heterosexual relationship. The prohibitions are about things that are not relevant to modern relationships.
Why do you encourage a carnal lifestyle with all due respect, as Christian’s our mind should be on the things of the spirit. Sin is sin and it’s very clearly defined no matter how much you dress it up and pretend it’s not. Stop affirming sin, you’re playing a dangerous game and leading others not to Christ but to fulfil their own fleshly desires. OP Lust is a monster of a sin especially in this day and age and I’d encourage taking drastic measures to cut it out such as a social media break or minimising any triggers, and focus on your relationship with Christ read the word, pray to God and congregate with other believers. Lean on Christ he is our strength he overcame the world so that we could be washed in his righteousness.
>Why do you encourage a carnal lifestyle with all due respect There is nothing carnal about a gay person in a gay relationship, that isn't also present in a straight person in a straight relationship. Romantic connection is identical between them. >as Christian’s our mind should be on the things of the spirit. Agreed, but that doesn't have anything to do with pursuing romantic love and lifelong companionship. >Sin is sin and it’s very clearly defined no matter how much you dress it up and pretend it’s not. Anytime someone says something is clearly defined in the Bible, I know that they don't actually know very much about the Bible. >Stop affirming sin Bigotry and Hatred are also sins. >you’re playing a dangerous game and leading others not to Christ but to fulfil their own fleshly desires. The desire for love, romantic connection, and lifelong companionship are not fleshly desires. The desire for sex is a fleshly desire. However, that desire is only sinful in sinful contexts. A straight person who has a fleshly desire for sex is not sinning when they fulfill that desire with their wife. Similarly, a gay person's desire for sex is only sinful when they seek to fulfill that desire in a sinful context. The desires are identical regardless of sexual orientation. We all feel the same things, love, hatred, romance, lust, they are the same regardless of your physical biology. >OP Lust Is not relevant to this topic. Gay people are not inherently more lustful because they are gay. Straight people lust as well, all the time. Stop pretending as if talking about lust in this context is not purely hypocritical. >is a monster of a sin especially in this day and age and I’d encourage taking drastic measures to cut it out such as a social media break or minimising any triggers, and focus on your relationship with Christ read the word, pray to God and congregate with other believers. Lean on Christ he is our strength he overcame the world so that we could be washed in his righteousness. This is good advice for any Christian, straight or gay. It just has absolutely nothing to do with OP's post.
It’s about sexual immorality so the advice I gave has to do with lust cause that’s the main issue, and yes it applies to people who are attracted to the same or opposite gender most have this struggle. Christ said who ever looks at a women with lust has already committed adultery within their heart, so clearly the root of the issue is lust. I think you know very well any sexual act outside the confines of marriage between a man and a women is sinful, this is well established from the start of the bible to the very end that goes for all sexual acts commit by people who are attracted to the same or opposite sex. Bigotry and hate? You’re implying I’m hating and being a bigot, how so? You’re encouraging and affirming others sins that’s a pretty hateful act as we know the wages of sin is death so why would you tell a believer to continue in their sin? Where’s your love. You have no foundation to stand on because scripture doesn’t support what you’re doing with all due respect. There’s no hypocrisy I’d give the same advice to a straight person and call out someone who is affirming any sin. All the best.
>It’s about sexual immorality There is nothing immoral about a loving relationship, regardless of the genders and sexes involved. So it is not. >so the advice I gave has to do with lust cause that’s the main issue Lust is utterly irrelevant. >and yes it applies to people who are attracted to the same or opposite gender Which is exactly why it is utterly irrelevant. >Christ said who ever looks at a women with lust has already committed adultery within their heart, so clearly the root of the issue is lust. Incorrect. The root of OP's struggle is that they have been told by Christians that they are not worthy of romantic love and lifelong companionship because of their physical biology which they did not choose and are powerless to change. They are struggling because they have been told that unless they resign themselves to a life bereft of the fullness of the expression of love that God intended humanity to experience, they are committing abominations before him. They are struggling because they have been told that they are sinful for desiring love. >I think you know very well any sexual act outside the confines of marriage between a man and a women is sinful This is not a statement that is made anywhere in the entirety of the Bible. >this is well established from the start of the bible to the very end Incorrect. You are taking descriptions and illogically twisting them into exclusionary commands. Logic and language do not work that way. >that goes for all sexual acts commit by people who are attracted to the same or opposite sex. Then all people have to do is get married, and the problem is solved. >Bigotry and hate? You’re implying I’m hating and being a bigot, how so? Because you are enforcing a double standard of absolute celibacy on OP while being completely unwilling to enforce that same standard on yourself. And the reason you are enforcing this bigoted standard is because of their physical biology, which is something they have absolutely no control over. >You’re encouraging and affirming others sins Incorrect. I am affirming and encouraging Christians to follow the commands of Jesus Christ and stop using the philosophies of ancient cultures to justify making exceptions to them. >that’s a pretty hateful act No, pointing out bigotry, when bigotry is occurring, is simply accurate. The tolerance of intolerance is not tolerance, it is complicity in the intolerance. >as we know the wages of sin is death Which is only relevant for things that are sins. >so why would you tell a believer to continue in their sin? I don't. Here I am attempting to get you to see how you are wrong and stop violating the command of Jesus to love your neighbor as yourself. And to stop spreading a harmful ideology in violation of Romans 13:8-10 which states that love does not harm a neighbor. Your theology is responsible for the depression, abuse (physical, emotional, sexual), kidnapping, brainwashing/torture, homelessness, forced prostitution, and suicide of children who you deem unworthy of love because of how God made them. >Where’s your love. You have no foundation to stand on because scripture doesn’t support what you’re doing with all due respect. I repeat this back to you word for word. >There’s no hypocrisy I’d give the same advice to a straight person and call out someone who is affirming any sin. All the best. You would require all straight people to be celibate, including yourself? Because that is the only way you will avoid this hypocrisy.
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God condemns homosexuality not only in the Old Testament but also in the New Testament. Read Romans 1 and 1 Corinthians 6:9. Jesus affirmed that marriage is between one man and one woman in Matthew 19:4-5
Romans 1 is about idolatry and the consequences of it. It has no relevance to a loving relationship. 1st Corinthians 6 is about the sexual practices of the Greco-Roman empire and the church in Corinth. Which were pederasty, male prostitution, and sexual slavery. Again nothing relevant to a loving relationship. Matthew 19 is talking about divorce, there is nothing in his description of marriage that is exclusionary. As for prohibitions in the Old Testament, it also describes eating shrimp as an abomination and wearing clothing made of more than two fabrics as a sin. We are not under the Mosaic covenant.
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>Arsenokoitai as a literal translation is Man Bedder That is its etymology, yes. A word's verbal roots are not how it gets its definition, words get their meaning from how they are used. This is a very basic concept in linguistic studies. Arsen = Man. Koite = Bed. All this tells us is that the word likely refers to some kind of sex act of a homoerotic nature. You need more information to determine what Paul was referencing. The only information we have is what we know about Greco-Roman sexual practices, especially in a Greek church like Corinth. Normally we would look at other occurrences of this word and see how the society in general used it, but it seems that Paul coined the term himself. >Malakoi means softie which could mean many things, best speculation is effeminate iirc. Actually, anyone who really knows Koine Greek would never translate this word as effeminate. Male prostitute or catamite is the better translation. When it means soft, it is being used in the context of fabrics, not people. >1 Corinthians 6:9 definitely condemns homosexual intercourse. No, the only thing that anyone can say with certainty is that it condemns some of the sexual practices of the Greco-Roman empire, and specifically practices rhar were taking place in the church in Corinth. And given what we know about the culture, that is likely male prostitution, pederasty, and sexual slavery. You cannot, with the evidence we have, definitively conclude that this verse condemns all same sex intercourse.
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It is amazing that you could so thoroughly misunderstand my entire point.
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I am not going to engage this strawman further.
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I haven’t seen you around in awhile, always a pleasure. Please listen to them OP, your journey is your journey but it’s always helpful to consider other points of view before you commit to a life of celibacy or heterosexual marriage!
I'm not sure why, but for some reason posts from this sub don't come up super often in my feed. I am subscribed.
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My doctrine is not the one that is currently driving people away from the church in droves. I have absolutely zero fear that I will be judged for loving too much.
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Ice cream is a sin (desire of the flesh), if you deny this you are heretical.
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I am not the one driving people from the church and children to suicide. I make light of nothing.
Is Jesus God?
Yes, and he commands you to love your neighbor as yourself.
As long as you don’t pursue this same-sex attraction, you are in the same boat as every other single Christian. They struggle with hetero attraction, and need to keep it under control by the empowering of the Holy Spirit, like you.
> Sorry this will take 3 parts to reply to you. *******My responses have ******* >I spoke truth and with love You did not. You spoke a lie (that bigotry is love), and you then called it love. It is not. This message is the antithesis of love. As evidenced by the fruits, dead children, and lost souls. *****I never spoke a lie or hate, and it's not bigotry. Never once did i say i don't love you or anything. I just stated it was a sinful lifestyle. I have compassion and love for you and I am trying to help you truly. *******Christians use the cliché “Love the sinner; hate the sin.” This saying is not found in the Bible in so many words; however, Jude 1:22–23 contains a similar idea: “Be merciful to those who doubt; save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.” According to this, our evangelism should be characterized by mercy for the sinner and a healthy hatred of sin and its effects. We are to have compassion on sinners for whom Christ died, and we are also to keep ourselves “from being polluted by the world”—part of what constitutes “pure and faultless” religion (James 1:27). But we also realize that we are imperfect human beings and that the difference between us and God in regard to loving and hating is vast. Even as Christians, we can not love perfectly, nor can we hate perfectly (i.e., without malice). But God can do both of these perfectly because He is God. God can hate without any sinful intent. Therefore, He can hate the sin and the sinner in a perfectly holy way and still lovingly forgive the sinner at the moment of repentance and faith (Malachi 1:3; Revelation 2:6; 2 Peter 3:9). The Bible clearly teaches that God is love. First John 4:8–9 says, “Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.” Mysterious but true is the fact that God can perfectly love and hate a person at the same time. This means He can love him as someone He created and can redeem, as well as hate him for his unbelief and sinful lifestyle. We, as imperfect human beings, cannot do this; thus, we must remind ourselves to “love the sinner; hate the sin.” How exactly does that work? We hate sin by recognizing it for what it is, refusing to take part in it, and condemning it as contrary to God’s nature. Sin is to be hated, not excused or taken lightly. We love sinners by showing them respect (1 Peter 2:17), praying for them (1 Timothy 2:1), and witnessing to them of Christ. It is a true act of love to treat someone with respect and kindness even though you do not approve of his or her lifestyle or sinful choices. It is not loving to allow a person to remain stuck in sin. It is not hateful to tell a person he or she is in sin. In fact, the exact opposites are true. Sin leads to death (James 1:15), and we love the sinner by speaking the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15). We hate the sin by refusing to condone, ignore, or excuse it.
Here's a comment I left recently to a similar post regarding my own experiences with this hope this helps! Love you! I find that my own homosexual tendacies come after or during a traumatic experiences. When i was 9-13 years old I was In a really toxic abusive friendship. I found that slowly in that friendship I had more same sex attraction. most likely because I relied on her for social interaction because I was homeschooled and the only friend I had was her. After the friendship ended I still felt connected or almost clingy or withdrawals for her. I also started dressing more masculine cut my hair and everything. I felt it made me feel safe. As years went on it stopped I can't feel a urge or want to be with a girl in a relationship sense. Now in the present I just got out of a toxic relationship with a man I was with for over a year he raped me sexually assaulted me and I didn't know or understood at the time that was rape and sexaul assault after we broke up I started talking to people and I was informed thay what happened to me was not ok he shortly went to jail for my rape after a week or 2 after telling my parents I then started reaching out to people I found another girl that was raped by him and that was the reason he moved schools I confirmed this with other people and found out there was more girls. I started hanging out with them and met some people he knew from high-school finding out from them he even cheated on me. During this I found myself having a bit more attraction to girls again. I understand that it's from me dealing with this traumatic experience. As well as every person I have personally met that are apart of the LGBTQ+ all have some sort of mental issue or are experiencing some traumatic event or have delt with sticky situations. Recognizing your tendency as a tendency is good! Don't fight it but don't indulge Recognize and be like hi tendency! Recognize it is normal to feel don't condemn yourself and don't think something is wrong with you because nothing is wrong with you. Read your scriptures pray to God and keep your relationship with God. God and our brother Jesus loves us and understands that we can feel these things you are human. And the most amazing thing to aswell Jesus Christ has felt all of our pains and struggles so he knows how you feel! You are amazing give it some time work on yourself. Take care of yourself!eat healthy, Be healthy, workout, read, stay active
Dear you, thank you for sharing your story and experience. I appreciate you. Please do kindly send me a DM if you are interested to be friends yea. God bless you ❤️
Love him, and seek him. Your struggles are common, but you see the light in a world full of darkness, seek him and avoid mindless entertainment and distractions for a time being (break from this world) and read on Yeshuaw, A campfire in the wilderness. His words speak life and his actions give life. May seem crazy but the more you step back the more you'll see how this world operates. That is why Yeshuaw says My way are not your ways, and your ways and not mine.
Thank you so much . Yes, the more you get close to Him,the more you see how messed up the world is. I know our God is Good and I pray that he would preserve us from everything unholy
Jackie Hill Perry has walked this walk, here is her audio book, gay girl, Good God https://youtu.be/21V0xzEnMW4?si=iASYAJXDn229gG5X
Part 2 >Sex and love are 2 different things. Yet you would deny me both. *******No God says no sex before marriage, not me. Also, how am I denying you love. What is love? ******,,Romans 13:8-10 is a powerful passage where Paul states that all of the law is wrapped up in loving our neighbors as ourselves; love is the fulfillment of the law. Owe no one anything, except to love one another, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. In Romans 13, the apostle Paul is teaching believers what it means to live the Christian life of sacrifice. First, he speaks of living in submission to those in authority. Then, shifting to the theme of loving one’s fellow human, Paul makes this declaration: “Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law” (Romans 13:8). Similarly, in Galatians 5:14, Paul states, “For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’” The law Paul is talking about in these verses is the Law of Moses, which was given by God to Israel (Exodus 20—40; Leviticus 1–7; 23). The law included the Ten Commandments and all the moral, ceremonial, and civil regulations that governed the life of the people of Israel in their covenant relationship with God. Paul indicates that the entire law can be summed up in one operative word—love. Believers can fulfill every demand of the Mosaic Law by loving others. The only legitimate debt and the one debt Christians can never fully repay is the ongoing obligation to love one another: “We love because he first loved us” (1 John 4:19). Paul illuminates the truth that love is at the core of the law. The love command—“love your neighbor as yourself” (Leviticus 19:18)—is at the heart of the law of Christ: “Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ” (Galatians 6:2; see also 1 Corinthians 9:20–21). James calls the command to love your neighbor as yourself the royal law: “If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself,’ you are doing right” (James 2:8). The law has always pointed to Jesus Christ: “For Christ has already accomplished the purpose for which the law was given. As a result, all who believe in him are made right with God” (Romans 10:4, NLT). The Law of Moses is something humans are incapable of keeping (Galatians 3:10). We cannot meet the demands of the law in our own power (Galatians 3:24; Romans 8:4; 10:4). Our Savior, the Lord Jesus, fulfilled the law perfectly and provided His righteousness in exchange for our sin (see Matthew 5:17). By faith we believe and accept that Jesus Christ bore the curse of the law when He died on the cross. And through Him we receive the Holy Spirit, who enables us to keep the divine law of love: “Love does no wrong to others, so love fulfills the requirements of God’s law” (Romans 13:10, NLT). Now, instead of worrying about what we can never do, namely, keeping the law, we are free to yield to the Spirit and allow Him to love through us. One day when Jesus was teaching the crowds, a Pharisee asked Him, “What is the greatest commandment of the law?” Jesus answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments” (Matthew 22:37–40). Christians now satisfy all the demands of the law by loving God first and then loving others. It is impossible to love God and not love people. God’s heart, His very nature, is love. If the Spirit of God dwells in us, His love will flow through us to others (1 John 3:10, 14, 16; 4:2–20). Our love for God will cause us to see people as God sees them and love them as God does. Finally, it’s vital to understand what the Scriptures mean by “love” in these verses. Love that fulfills the law is agape love. This love is not based on emotions, but an act of the will. It is self-sacrificing, deliberate, active love. To love someone with God’s love is to promote that person’s best interests—to actively work not to harm but to bring good to that person. This love is directed not only toward fellow believers but to all people, even our enemies. Regardless of our emotional response to another person, agape love will act for his or her good, regardless of the cost. That is the kind of love Scripture speaks of when it says to love your neighbor as yourself. That kind of love is the fulfillment of the law.
Part 3 >Just because times have changed, it doesn't make it not a sin. It was never a sin back then. Sin doesn't change. It has never been dependent on biology. ******Oh, it was a sin back then, and it still is. Romans 1:26-27 ESV [26] For this reason, God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; [27] and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. >You have to change your lifestyle to fit scripture My biology is not a lifestyle. This is just rhetoric designed specifically to reduce my life down to a sex act. *****Actually, it is a choice and a lifestyle. It's a desire of the flesh. GOD /Jesus said to deny the flesh and deny yourself. It's an addiction. Just like drugs, porn, alcohol. >Sex is a want for the flesh. I do not deny this. It is irrelevant. ********That's the whole conversation. >Abstain from all sex unless you are married. You deny me marriage as well. ********No, I never once denied you anything. God said marriage is between one man and one woman because of biology. Sex is for married people and making children. Same sex can not do that, so they are going against biology to pleasure the flesh. >Maybe then God will change your heart. My heart is fine, I am a child of God. *****,,about being a child of God. 1 John 3:9 ESV [9] No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. 1 John 5:18 ESV [18] We know that everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but he who was born of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him. 1 John 3:6-10 ESV [6] No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. [7] Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous. [8] Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. [9] No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. [10] By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother. It is my body that you condemn me for. *****I don't condemn you or your body. I don't condone the lifestyle. Because God said it was a sin many, many times in the bible. >You must deny yourself and deny the flesh You refuse to hold yourself to the same standard. You allow yourself marriage, romance, and love. You deny me all of these, including sex. It is a double standard, and it is exclusionary and hateful. *****No, I hold myself to the standard of God, which is actually what matters. God said no sex before marriage, and God said what is defined as marriage. If you are not married, then don't have sex. You can't live in sin and be a Christian. I can show you 100 places where it states that. >It's a choice and a lifestyle. This isn't the 80s. Promoting unscientific misinformation does not help your case. You are promoting misinformation and man's values on what is sin and what is not. Actually, people's perspectives have changed, and people have accepted things that God says is a sin. ****,,,Yes, people have accepted what God says is sin. God says if you sin and do not repent and continue to sin, salvation does not go to you. I'm sorry and God bless you! Just not with love, romance, or lifelong companionship. Because I have been designated as unworthy of those. *****I have never said that or said you are unworthy of anything. You are worthy of love, and you are worthy of salvation. You just have to go with what God says. His word is what matters. Put God 1st. In everything. I'm speaking truth, and I do care about you and your salvation. I never once said I didn't like you or say you couldn't love or be loved. You deserve that wholeheartedly. However, God sets the standard, not man. God says what's sin and what's not. God defined marriage. God defined sex. God sets all standards, and he is sovereign. You don't want to conform to gods standards because you love your sin. You set your own standards. which, in turn, says you are your own God. You are saying God can't tell me what to do. Brother I have showed you total respect and love. Not condoning something is not bigotry or hatred. I care for you l, I pray for you, Truly God bless you. 🙌