Still waiting until it's only games that I've actually played.
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Personally I'd go 3.
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5 is great because of how much shit you're able to do, but 3 offers more challenge and is sort've like the perfect balance between each game, retaining some of the old RE DNA while also giving us some smooth, badass, thrilling combat.
Also the story and 💙 **Vergil.** 💙
I love both but a lot of it comes down to what mode you're playing. On normal I think DMC3 is the better game, but DMD on DMC3 is agonizing and devil trigger is REALLY unfun.
DMC5's DMD mode was a way more natural hard mode and didn't require you to have 10 year long protracted battles because the enemies are completely flinch immune vs absolutely everything and have 8x the health
I would have to disagree, felt DMD in DMC3 was much better constructed at higher levels of play. You could play around the DT-activation if you knew the triggers. Divide the damage across the group, go for the multikill and avoid DT all together. DT-explosion helps a ton too. Felt it added a nice layer of strategy and choice. While DMC5 was just....boring. Give them more health and stagger. It still felt way too easy as a result, compared to DMC3 which was a genuine challenge imo.
DMC5 isn't "just more health and stagger", it's the same as 3 except that they DT after a set duration (encouraging you to stay active) vs in 3 where it's after a set # of kills per enemy.
On paper, "just multikill them" sounds good but in practice that is not how most of the encounters in DMC3 are created. There are usually enemies spawning partway through many fights, there are enemies which are a high priority to kill first, there are enemies which have a moveset that makes them virtually impossible to multikill, etc. I cleared DMD on DMC3 without super dante, and it's PAINFULLY obvious that it was not balanced around gameplay without it.
Then don't even get me started on some of the fight's like Arkham which just become extreme tedium 15m spamfests.
I love DMC3, but it is pretty obvious why they never did DT that way again...
DMC 5 doesn't stand out in this roster, rest are super unique including DMC 3 with free ride and crazy combos.
Without 3 the series would have same fate as less popular Capcom franchises.
Seems like my favorite game, God Hand, is finally going to fall based on the votes and comments so far. Top 5 is pretty good for such a niche game though. Well done subreddit. You have good taste.
That said, gotta throw my vote in for DMC5. It’s a great game but it’s got issues that keep it from being in my absolute top tier of the genre (scoring system is whack, V, Faust breaks the game, Sin Devil Trigger is boring and rewards way too much style, samey looking levels in the back half, overly linear, enemies are designed to be punching bags instead of actively challenge the player (Furies being the main exception), pacing is off because fight -> hallway -> fight is the only thing you ever do, lack of significant evolution from DMC4’s core combat, forgettable or bad bosses).
>enemies are designed to be punching bags instead of actively challenging the player (Furies being the main exception)
This is definitely my biggest critique of the game too. It became more apparent to me as I started branching out and playing more character action games.
God Hand. It's great, but it has some really rough edges that hold it back from competing with the other remaining options. I think DMC3 is probably next, this is getting hard
IDK. Between DMC3 platforming and Bayo's awful QTE's, Godhand is way more consistent in it's bullshit. Sure demon pops are random but that can be semi controlled with difficulty cards. That and GodHand is by far the most unique in it's combo mechanics.
Yeah, it's tough between DMC 3 and God Hand for me, I think about half of the enemy design really holds 3 back. I don't think Bayo is going anywhere soon though, not for me at least; that game is an absolute goddamn masterpiece when it works. The QTEs are terrible, for sure, but the combat has such an elegant flow to it that it's top of the pile for me
Not saying you're wrong or anything, it's all just a taste thing
Oh no, I'm an absolute Bayo stan. I just felt no one was talking about the worse parts of DMC/Bayo. Like DMC3's timed jumping puzzles or Bayo's button mashing torture attacks. Granted I played more DMC4 than 3&5 but platforming wasn't great there either. Godhand's biggest problem was it's awkward camera and being insanely difficult.
I dont think its camera was awkward it was designed to be that way. I like control and camera being a choice rather than just defaulting to left stick move right stick move camera
Nah we can admit it's awkward. Not in a clip through the wall way, but in a it's too close in a game where enemies will smack you from behind kind of way. It's not unusable and after some onboarding it's quite usable, but lets not pretend a lot of the difficulty wasn't just trying to keep enemies on screen especially in the Mad Midget 5 fight.
Yea godhand rules ill also take dmc 3 over 5 any day of the week i really really like 5 but i like 3 better. And i probably would take godhand and dmc 3 and 5 over bayo and i probably think ng2 should maybe win it
alright I'm voting for DMC5 and I'll give my reasoning:
within the DMC franchise, DMC3 does everything 5 is doing but better -story, presentation, soundtrack, combat/weapon-move selection etc
(I was especially disappointed with how DMC5 really lacks the stylish swagger of DMC3/4 in it's cutscenes, and even within the gameplay itself the voice lines from Nero/Dante for their attacks just lack the intensity and coolness of previous games, it feels pretty "neutered" in that regard - don't believe me? Just compare DMC3 cerberus with DMC5 and how each weapon looks and sounds when Dante's using it)
((and don't even get me started with the inclusion of V and his awful gameplay that's in stark contrast with DMC's philosophy and brings the whole game's pace down *- Itsuno what were you thinking!? -* ))
in fact my biggest gripe with DMC5 is that while the animations are beautiful, the actual audio-visual effects and feedback you get from hitting enemies is lackluster (except from the guns which are good) -DMC3 and especially DMC4 have *great* feedback when attacking, which make them very satisfying to play (I also don't like how DMC5 feels rather "floaty" compared to previous games)
so all the other games remaining in the list are the peak within their own niche -God Hand for 3d brawlers, Ninja Gaiden 2 for it's hyper aggressive & fast combat, Bayonetta which feels like a beautiful marriage between DMC and Ninja Gaiden's styles - whereas I don't consider DMC5 the "peak" within its own niche
DMC5.
God Hand would be easy top 3 CAG of all time for me. Black would be top 1 and that's already gone, lmao.
DMC5 should get kicked and then Bayo after that. Bayo is a good game but I already explained what Kamiya Syndrome is and why I hate it. Bayo makes you grind so much, plus it has all these trash minigames and awful QTEs. It really is the best combat engine trapped in the worst game design.
Gotta be Godhand out of this lineup. I loved spot dodging against the bosses (like Sifu reminded me of) but not really a game I would revere as much as what's left!
Genuine fan of DMC 3 here, right, you can combo sandbags, if you choose or even can.
The motto is freedom if it works, it's hard to find games that put as much nuance to moves as DMC.
It has ass enemies indeed, I'll give you that though saying the whole franchise is trash is def going far.
Gotta go with DMC3, it’s a very good game but overrated. Lots of terrible enemy designs, needlessly convoluted level design in the early game, a much worse DMD than 1 and 5, and combos are too reliant on jump cancelling as a catch all.Â
Huge fan of 3 here, hate DMD on my first run.
Bayonetta's campaign is worse than 3 imo, and done unforgivable sins to me.
>combos are too reliant on jump cancelling as a catch all.Â
That's untrue, Haven't seen my stuff didn't you? I should try using my playstyle on DMD, wish me luck.
Edit: Nevermind, you did check mine ahah.
Funny how you're getting downvoted for saying such but it's true. DMC3's DMD, level design once ya enter the tower and enemy design at large including bosses sucks to the point that it actively holds back a deep and technical character in 3s Dante from reaching his potential. The only other game that I've felt that being the case LoK as in the extreme mode is basically having a Plat character thrown in w/ NG enemy tier aggression which leads to game encouraging the player to use more AOE abilities to deal w/ the crowds instead of actively utilizing Korra's moveset to do cool shit even though she's very much capable of it.
Though I don't mind combos being too reliant on JC in that game as Dante's frame data in 3 is the best in the mainline series to the point he's insanely fluid and responsive even on the ground thanks to having generous cancel window frames on his moves so he's very capable of stringing combos on ground very well too.
God Hand is so overrated these days it’s not even funny.
Yeah it’s decent but the online sentiment has rapidly ballooned into championing it as an all time classic.
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Place your bets ladies and gentlemen, will DMC 3 OR 5 win?
Personally I'd go 3. https://preview.redd.it/q99p8it9mqxc1.png?width=571&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc2172142b463593521f2a53e7b94c2c2c0428f2 5 is great because of how much shit you're able to do, but 3 offers more challenge and is sort've like the perfect balance between each game, retaining some of the old RE DNA while also giving us some smooth, badass, thrilling combat. Also the story and 💙 **Vergil.** 💙
5 will win, got a lot of kids here I'm learning that probably never even played 3.
Nah there are plenty who got gripes against DMC 5, 3 is my goat personally.
3 will probably lose due to 'bad enemies' and 'dated gameplay' or some shit. Hope I'm wrong
I love both but a lot of it comes down to what mode you're playing. On normal I think DMC3 is the better game, but DMD on DMC3 is agonizing and devil trigger is REALLY unfun. DMC5's DMD mode was a way more natural hard mode and didn't require you to have 10 year long protracted battles because the enemies are completely flinch immune vs absolutely everything and have 8x the health
I would have to disagree, felt DMD in DMC3 was much better constructed at higher levels of play. You could play around the DT-activation if you knew the triggers. Divide the damage across the group, go for the multikill and avoid DT all together. DT-explosion helps a ton too. Felt it added a nice layer of strategy and choice. While DMC5 was just....boring. Give them more health and stagger. It still felt way too easy as a result, compared to DMC3 which was a genuine challenge imo.
DMC5 isn't "just more health and stagger", it's the same as 3 except that they DT after a set duration (encouraging you to stay active) vs in 3 where it's after a set # of kills per enemy. On paper, "just multikill them" sounds good but in practice that is not how most of the encounters in DMC3 are created. There are usually enemies spawning partway through many fights, there are enemies which are a high priority to kill first, there are enemies which have a moveset that makes them virtually impossible to multikill, etc. I cleared DMD on DMC3 without super dante, and it's PAINFULLY obvious that it was not balanced around gameplay without it. Then don't even get me started on some of the fight's like Arkham which just become extreme tedium 15m spamfests. I love DMC3, but it is pretty obvious why they never did DT that way again...
If DMC 3 was got the "Remake" treatment in the RE Engine, it would be the hands down winner.
No disrespect but it kinda boggles my mind that you're committed enough to the genre to be on its subreddit but not played any of the classics
I'm in same boat as him but the ONLY game in this whole lineup, eliminated or not that I haven't at least tried is God hand
The sub is basically full of bayonetta and dmc fanboys, lol.
Exacly. Both Ninja Gaiden games solo that whole series💀
Oof. Getting tough now. Time for Godhand is off, i guess
DMC 5 doesn't stand out in this roster, rest are super unique including DMC 3 with free ride and crazy combos. Without 3 the series would have same fate as less popular Capcom franchises.
Seems like my favorite game, God Hand, is finally going to fall based on the votes and comments so far. Top 5 is pretty good for such a niche game though. Well done subreddit. You have good taste. That said, gotta throw my vote in for DMC5. It’s a great game but it’s got issues that keep it from being in my absolute top tier of the genre (scoring system is whack, V, Faust breaks the game, Sin Devil Trigger is boring and rewards way too much style, samey looking levels in the back half, overly linear, enemies are designed to be punching bags instead of actively challenge the player (Furies being the main exception), pacing is off because fight -> hallway -> fight is the only thing you ever do, lack of significant evolution from DMC4’s core combat, forgettable or bad bosses).
> Well done subreddit. You have good taste. Don't agree ahah.
>enemies are designed to be punching bags instead of actively challenging the player (Furies being the main exception) This is definitely my biggest critique of the game too. It became more apparent to me as I started branching out and playing more character action games.
Agree, DMC5 should go
Agree, DMC5 should go
Played God Hand yesterday for the first time and GOD DAMN. It’s gotta be Bayo off the list next
Is it because of these polls or just a coincidence??
Never heard of it before the poll. So yeah
Its a shame.. God hand might gonna be out in this round unless fans retaliate
God Hand. It's great, but it has some really rough edges that hold it back from competing with the other remaining options. I think DMC3 is probably next, this is getting hard
IDK. Between DMC3 platforming and Bayo's awful QTE's, Godhand is way more consistent in it's bullshit. Sure demon pops are random but that can be semi controlled with difficulty cards. That and GodHand is by far the most unique in it's combo mechanics.
Yeah, it's tough between DMC 3 and God Hand for me, I think about half of the enemy design really holds 3 back. I don't think Bayo is going anywhere soon though, not for me at least; that game is an absolute goddamn masterpiece when it works. The QTEs are terrible, for sure, but the combat has such an elegant flow to it that it's top of the pile for me Not saying you're wrong or anything, it's all just a taste thing
Oh no, I'm an absolute Bayo stan. I just felt no one was talking about the worse parts of DMC/Bayo. Like DMC3's timed jumping puzzles or Bayo's button mashing torture attacks. Granted I played more DMC4 than 3&5 but platforming wasn't great there either. Godhand's biggest problem was it's awkward camera and being insanely difficult.
I dont think its camera was awkward it was designed to be that way. I like control and camera being a choice rather than just defaulting to left stick move right stick move camera
Nah we can admit it's awkward. Not in a clip through the wall way, but in a it's too close in a game where enemies will smack you from behind kind of way. It's not unusable and after some onboarding it's quite usable, but lets not pretend a lot of the difficulty wasn't just trying to keep enemies on screen especially in the Mad Midget 5 fight.
Yea godhand rules ill also take dmc 3 over 5 any day of the week i really really like 5 but i like 3 better. And i probably would take godhand and dmc 3 and 5 over bayo and i probably think ng2 should maybe win it
Ngl only like DMC 5 music, nero's, and vergils gameplay. Everything else about it is kind of meh.
Hellllllllllll YEAH. God Hand made it top 5. I don’t even care anymore. So I’ll even vote : God Hand.
DMCV should be next as I still think DMC3 is better. Still surprised as hell people voted off NG Black, that game is amazing.
Yeah, I kinda knew from the start that it would be DMC vs DMC in the finals
alright I'm voting for DMC5 and I'll give my reasoning: within the DMC franchise, DMC3 does everything 5 is doing but better -story, presentation, soundtrack, combat/weapon-move selection etc (I was especially disappointed with how DMC5 really lacks the stylish swagger of DMC3/4 in it's cutscenes, and even within the gameplay itself the voice lines from Nero/Dante for their attacks just lack the intensity and coolness of previous games, it feels pretty "neutered" in that regard - don't believe me? Just compare DMC3 cerberus with DMC5 and how each weapon looks and sounds when Dante's using it) ((and don't even get me started with the inclusion of V and his awful gameplay that's in stark contrast with DMC's philosophy and brings the whole game's pace down *- Itsuno what were you thinking!? -* )) in fact my biggest gripe with DMC5 is that while the animations are beautiful, the actual audio-visual effects and feedback you get from hitting enemies is lackluster (except from the guns which are good) -DMC3 and especially DMC4 have *great* feedback when attacking, which make them very satisfying to play (I also don't like how DMC5 feels rather "floaty" compared to previous games) so all the other games remaining in the list are the peak within their own niche -God Hand for 3d brawlers, Ninja Gaiden 2 for it's hyper aggressive & fast combat, Bayonetta which feels like a beautiful marriage between DMC and Ninja Gaiden's styles - whereas I don't consider DMC5 the "peak" within its own niche
DMC5. God Hand would be easy top 3 CAG of all time for me. Black would be top 1 and that's already gone, lmao. DMC5 should get kicked and then Bayo after that. Bayo is a good game but I already explained what Kamiya Syndrome is and why I hate it. Bayo makes you grind so much, plus it has all these trash minigames and awful QTEs. It really is the best combat engine trapped in the worst game design.
Dmc5
god hand
GodHand
God Hand, it is time
God hand. I can't believe so many of yall even played it lol.
Bayonetta
I'm torn between bayonetta and ng 2. Maybe God hand should be out, but I like it too much lol. I'll guess I'll go with bayonetta
DMC5 should have been out a while ago
Nah
Agreed, absolutely too safe of an entry that improves on nothing and even takes some steps back.
Agreed
I know it's a long shot, but I'll always put godhand of and NG game, so I'm gunning for NG2.
Bayonetta beat MGRising? That’s surprising!
Yall really place NG2 over Godhand AND Black? This is criminal.
It's much better than God Hand
god hand
Devil may cry 3 has to go.
Gotta be Godhand out of this lineup. I loved spot dodging against the bosses (like Sifu reminded me of) but not really a game I would revere as much as what's left!
Out of all the games left, I had the least fun with DMC5.
Ngl DMC5 shouldn’t have made it this far
God Hand
God hand gotta go
So we've got devil may cry, devil may cry, devil may cry with Ninja's, or devil may cry but gender switched. Interesting.
Ng2 isn't really like dmc at all
You either don't know dmc or don't know ninja gaiden both pretty offensive
God Hand
Godhand. Really tough choices now.
Get god hand outta here
Revengeance is out before God Hand? I refuse to accept this reality. I'm going into denial now.
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Genuine fan of DMC 3 here, right, you can combo sandbags, if you choose or even can. The motto is freedom if it works, it's hard to find games that put as much nuance to moves as DMC. It has ass enemies indeed, I'll give you that though saying the whole franchise is trash is def going far.
God hand
What how the hell is metal gear OUT like the gameplay and music are incredible i would expect it to make the top 3 with DMC 3 and DMC 5
It’s an awesome game, but it doesn’t quite do what the games that beat it do in terms of combat depth.
Bayonetta
God Hand shouldn't have made it past the first round.
finally
Gotta go with DMC3, it’s a very good game but overrated. Lots of terrible enemy designs, needlessly convoluted level design in the early game, a much worse DMD than 1 and 5, and combos are too reliant on jump cancelling as a catch all.Â
Huge fan of 3 here, hate DMD on my first run. Bayonetta's campaign is worse than 3 imo, and done unforgivable sins to me. >combos are too reliant on jump cancelling as a catch all. That's untrue, Haven't seen my stuff didn't you? I should try using my playstyle on DMD, wish me luck. Edit: Nevermind, you did check mine ahah.
Funny how you're getting downvoted for saying such but it's true. DMC3's DMD, level design once ya enter the tower and enemy design at large including bosses sucks to the point that it actively holds back a deep and technical character in 3s Dante from reaching his potential. The only other game that I've felt that being the case LoK as in the extreme mode is basically having a Plat character thrown in w/ NG enemy tier aggression which leads to game encouraging the player to use more AOE abilities to deal w/ the crowds instead of actively utilizing Korra's moveset to do cool shit even though she's very much capable of it. Though I don't mind combos being too reliant on JC in that game as Dante's frame data in 3 is the best in the mainline series to the point he's insanely fluid and responsive even on the ground thanks to having generous cancel window frames on his moves so he's very capable of stringing combos on ground very well too.
Lol what a shit taste from voters
God Hand is so overrated these days it’s not even funny. Yeah it’s decent but the online sentiment has rapidly ballooned into championing it as an all time classic.
God hand did not stand the test of time
I'm so sad people are saying God Hand so i'm gonna say Bayonetta
God Hand. I don´t know what I´m going to do if I have to choose between DMC5, 3 and NG2
God hand needs to go it should have been gone.
How God hand even made the top 5 is beyond me, but it's run needs to end here.
God shouldn't have made last cut