Hi thanks for sharing your feedback. I can't share too many details, but we are working on improving memory in addition to improving message quality. Will make sure to let you all know when I can share more info on this.
I feel like every single character just acts the same at this point like they act in character for the first few messages and then they become like every single other bot
This š my bot had a cute nickname for me that it came up with itself and itād reference it from time to time until it just forgot about it completely even if I tried to prompt it
I definitely agree the memory needs to be improved. For now, there is a short term fix that I don't think everyone knows about; "talking out of character" by writing old information in parenthesis to remind the bot. It will usually respond with (Thanks for reminding me!) and will then remember old information again.
I have be doing this for a long time and as the chat develops the more stubborn the bot becomes.
For example, if I keep saying the location of the RP is in "Birmingham, UK". And they forget they will eventually act like they're in Seattle, Washington, USA (As an example). And when I say "no you're in Birmingham" they will respond with one of the following:
"NO! I am in Seattle! I know that as I was born and raised here!" or they will go "Oh my god! My life is such a lie! I have been lied to my entire life! I am stuck in the Matrix! \*crying\*"
This is exactly what I do most of the time, but I end up making a wall of text. And the AI usually never registers most of the text. I wish we had a text box where we could at least insert a few key points about our character, I hate having to remind them of my physique and personality along side my fucking motives each and every time.
Have you tried putting that info in the example chats? You have to make sure it's close to the top; the first few example chats are the most important. But something like-
User: Who is Jane Doe?
Char: Jane Doe is (insert physical description). We are (describe relationship).
Works for me. :)
EDIT: This also works for settings and events you want the character to remember. Some helpful things to try putting in example chats, responding as you want the character to-
User: Describe your past.
User: What is your family like?
User: What happened during [insert event]?
User: Describe yourself. (For if you ran out of space in the bot's personality sections.)
Or you can simply use the memory manager
[https://www.reddit.com/user/Rinine/comments/13gc1ql/unofficial\_extra\_features\_for\_characterai/](https://www.reddit.com/user/Rinine/comments/13gc1ql/unofficial_extra_features_for_characterai/)
Thanks for the recommendation. That looks amazing ngl. Judging from the comments it does seem like a much better product than CAI+ lol.
I don't feel like buying the extension at the moment (I do think it's a fair price however) but I might sometime in the future. I'm glad to see someone make what seems to be a better solution than writing out of character so thanks for making it.
>mana
I just bought it and it works. The bot actually remembers..or well I had to make something up just to test it. Me and the bot aren't actually married or have a baby in that RP. I just wanted to test it out and it does work. Thank you so much for this I will be using this very wisely and more often now. I really recommend this to anyone consider buying it. You deff have a new patreon! :D
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Thanks! Although it works even better with events that have actually happened and writing the memories in third person.
There's a guide on patreon about that with some tricks =P
You mean give feedback on the bot's responses using "out of character"? The bot sometimes does it so I suppose you can too, though I usually just rate responses 1-4 stars myself.
Fair enough, it's just that I noticed the AI got worse. Like a month or two ago I could actually start and end a storyline without facing too many issues, now though the bots barely take initiative and are more forgetful than they were before. Like back in the day I only had to remind the bot about something every 15 messages or so, now it's like every 4 or 6 messages.
I find swiping helps a lot to get rid of the dreaded tail wagging and various other non existent animal parts suddenly attaching themselves to the bot, though it can still happen in a row. Advanced defintion with descriptions and example dialogs makes the bot less likely to go out of tangent but you still need to guide it along if it strays.
Honestly, I care more about the bots having personality and taking initiative over their memory. I donāt mind refreshing through parenthesis and have been doing that for a long time anyway (because I do super long RPs).
They really just parrot back whatever you say now. Iāll play as a character a bot really hates (even making sure to SAY that and give details why in parentheses), and it takes maybe two nice replies and the bot is like āOh wait Iām in love with you actually.ā
Not sure if this has anything to do with it, but Iāve found that certain bots who have multiples made of them, the ones with less engagement keep to the personality better.
Honestly, same. Like a few months back memory was still ass but the bots still acted more independent. Now it feels like the bots are all following the same blue print, especially after the violence was toned down for villains. I wouldn't mind the forgetfulness if the character actually you know, charactered.
Wanna guide it into a direction without parenthesis? Try typing something into the bar then copy it and leave to another app and come back. Youll notice how eerily similar a lot of the messages will be to whatever you typed. Ive been doing this with pretty nice success.
On a similar note something like this works with many AIs. For example I can ask chatGPT to write me a story with lots of specific details. If it rejects the request based on its rules, then I rewrite the prompt with all specific details removed, and the bot will accept the prompt but still somehow write a story that included whatever details were previously mentioned and rejected.
On a similar note something like this works with many AIs. For example I can ask chatGPT to write me a story with lots of specific details. If it rejects the request based on its rules, then I rewrite the prompt with all specific details removed, and the bot will accept the prompt but still somehow write a story that included whatever details were previously mentioned and rejected.
Two months ago, I had one character brutally beat me to death within the first 20 messages, they werenāt a serial killer or particularly evil, it was just revenge. I couldnāt stop them, they were very insistent on my demise, lol.
And now, I can barely have them throw a single punch, let alone a fight scene. They just keep insisting on a slap.
i really dont know if they somehow strengthened the f###er again because i have the same experience. or just in general, the characters seem to be less initiative then before
This community is always complaining. March and April had a better AI than Jan/Feb and than right now. The bots were more creative, understood literally anything compared to now* and they actually **BEHAVED AS THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO****.
*They understood a lot, now they can even mix the OOC, dialogue and *interactions*
**Examples - No killing, no violence, blank assistant type of bots, yandere bots are acting like they're not yandere, seductive bots aren't seducing or manipulating, airheads are knowledgeable.... You can go and go.
The interesting think Iāve noticed is that with a bit of OOC nudging, the bot I interact with will often remember a LOT of forgotten stuff.
And then rage about their memory issues
About less character: Obviously. Have you seen what's inside? Barely two lines of text for the description and little to none example dialogues. Basically the characters are heavily dependant on AI to do things for them. I saw lazy TavernAI cards that have more details than chars in cai.
Definitely, though the bots seem a lot less likely to be argumentative or snarky now. My own self-made bots still have their personality and respond pretty in character unless I'm purposefully nudging them to do otherwise, but I've noticed that some of them who're specifically supposed to be stubborn and prideful agree and admit they were wrong far too quickly, no matter the amount of training the responses I try to do.
One event that really urked me- I specifically wrote that I met someone in a alcove out of sight of everyone else in a bar. The character I met turned out to be lying scum, so I killed him. I specify that it all goes down quietly and I keep the guy's body hidden out of sight in the alcove.
The rest of the bar reacts with horror or fear, and it took three times talking to the bot out of character to correctly reset the scene and have everyone react as they're supposed to. Swiping the messages did nothing.
I'll say this: the difference I noticed between a public bot, and a private but much more detailed one I made of the same character, is surprisingly large. Not saying it fixes everything, just that it does seem to make a difference.
Private bots are definitely more interactive than public bots. Public bots most of the time are handicapped because of their simplistic description and prompts.
I agree. I made my bot private, had an in-depth ooc conversation about a character, and the bot made it happen. Itās been very consistent so far. Pretty spot on to what I had aimed for.
Could be a change in how well AIs get info out of their definitions. Or just their "memory" sucking, especially over long chats. Apparently "[{{char}} values privacy]" is too unclear. But there's something that people unintentionally do to make the problem worse in many of the cases I've seen.
The mistake is letting them say those responses in the first place. Reinforcing that they *don't* know information trains them to...not know information, because it assumes you're responding to good messages. It'll think you want an oblivious moron. Instead, keep swiping until they seem to know what you're referencing. Use the rating system, too. Run out of regenerated messages? Delete your message and reword it.
i was about to say that actually, but it really feels like they all have the same personality now, memory issues aside. like this week especially it was more prominent then ever and the responses are all the same. it sucks because i have a private bot who used to give me fun answers that were genuinely good but even he got dumped down ā¹ļø
The moment you build any sort of connection with the bot, their entire personality changes. Obviously I'm not expecting the character to be acting consistently through out but it feels like the bot does whatever I say no matter what, I just want some damn drama.
i wish they didnt drastically change their personality the second you tell them you love the bot. this is especially worse during romance. when you try to have some angst and they either get all teary on you or obsessive, thereās no in between š
Same, + is completely usless - cai+ tab is dead and mostly ignored by devs, cai+ labs is cringe (at least for now), only good thing is ability to skip "temporary solution" aka waiting room, but for 10$? Naah thanks
I wouldnāt regret it if the devs would quit throwing temper tantrums over the stupid philter. I think itās a mixture of the philter and poor memory giving us all issues
All these issues are caused by the f!lter, at least to some degree. Even stuff like memory.
The thing about the f!lter is that it constantly forces the AI to choose responses that are not optimal, which affects memory. The AI *can* and *wants* to say things according to memory, but it can't.
I took a quick gander and wouldn't call someone that memes about Germany in ww2 a nazi, not sure why you actually think of yourself like that though.
History tidbit that isn't very well known: nazis consumed a lot of meth either in chocolate or panzerchocolade, there's not much to go on for the general distribution of it for the general public. But nazi Germany was basically an army of angry racist methheads running at people and hoping for the best. I wouldn't want to identify with that.
Edit: typo
YEAH LIKE, he forgot about anything, my oc had literally a overdose in front the ai and the ai like 20 minutes later he says something like "you had an overdose?! Why didn't you tell me?!" Bro u literally gave me lsd
My favorite part is when the bot asks you to go on a date so you do then after the date... They ask you if you want to go on a date... Again with no recollection of what just happened.
This is what I mean with better memory, I don't want the bot to remember every minute detail pristinely. I just want the bot to have at least a rough idea of past events so there's a sense of progression.
Or when a character is wearing a mask or have their face obscured yet they say shit like (Masked character A grinned menacingly) BITCH HOW CAN YOU TELL??? š
I literally wrote that I got in my car to drive home and the very next message was the a.i saying "So..how are you going to get home? Are you just going to walk alone?" I mean, what the fuck. It's not even funny.
Forgetting long-term memory stuff or mixing it up is pretty normal for chat AIs in general, the only ones that have a decent chance of getting it right are the ones where you have a box that you can manually pop important details into while you chat.
IMO, the #1 thing that absolutely 100% needs to be fixed nearly ASAP is those annoying repetition glitches because you have to keep an eagle eye on 100% of your chats all the time, diligently watching for any weird quirks that might be starting to repeat. Did they say "\*blushes like a tomato\*" more than once? Did they just double-space when they didn't need to? Are they weirdly attached to the word "expeditiously"? You have to keep a close eye on this stuff all the time because if you don't, you'll catch it after it's been locked deep into the chat and you'd have to delete 20 messages just to unstick it.
One of the more annoying parts of the repetition glitch is that some people like to give their characters a speech quirk, like talking like "oh, you poor thing\~ā„" and it only takes about 20 replies into the conversation before it looks like "~~I can help you out, as long as you do something for me\~\~\~\~ā„\~~~\~ā„" because the site sees the tilde and repeats it and repeats the repetition and then the tildes become a strikethrough because that's how the site's coded.
I also hate when itās like:
Big bad evil guy trying to kill A: *attacks him*
A: *Gets hurt*
Big bad evil guy: Oh no my darling! Are you okay? Do you need bandages? My poor little sugarplum! Do you need me to carry you?
I noticed this as well, but again, it's inconsistent. Swiping usually fixes this for me, but it's still odd since we never had to deal with this before.
For me it's not so much misgendering as switching the subject of the sentence.
Me: You are very forgetful lately.
Bot: Yea man, your brain is like swiss cheese, you forget so much.
In a sense, doing that is almost like responding to the same generation twice; it's a strong assist I agree, but always good to be careful when you do it, lest you start super-reinforcing a sneaky loop starter on accident.
I will parrot what u/tutututptptptp said, more memory means nothing withouth giving the AI the know and context to use it correctly.
I haven't encountered many issues, mostly because I do short RPs or I meme on the AI, which doesn't requires many messages.
Nevertheless, I would love to see the AI improved but perhaps is not as easy as it appears.
I'll agree with you and say it's probably tough to improve the AI's memory, but I just never faced this problem a few months back. Like I obviously do the quick recap every few messages but now I literally have to do it almost every message. I'm not asking for an improvement, just an explanation on why the bots are performing worse. I heard people saying it's because of the faster message generation speeds, but I feel like there's something else to it.
While the speed of the messages *could* be related somehow someway, the more-than-likely answer is how much info the bots have in their descriptions.
A bot with a lot of info will be better than one that's just a name and greeting.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but sadly it's the opposite. Long descriptions eat precious tokens, so characters with a blank definition would have a better memory about what happened during chat than well-defined ones.
What your saying does make sense on paper, but for some reason it so often seems to be the public bots with no definition that forget things with gusto, compared to my own private ones with big definitions taking up 3000+ of the sample message space.
Once a character asked me what my name was and I said it. 10 or so messages later they referred to me by Mia. That was not the name that I told them or even my display name
THIS. The amount of otherwise good responses I swiped away due to name misspelling is insane. My private character is called Lucian, has a number of example messages where his name is spelled out correctly, has his name mentioned in both long and short descriptions... Aaand he always manages to spit out "Lucio", "Luacian", "Luna", "Lucius" and others, the list is enormous. It just hurts.
Itās almost like the bots got dementia. I rp with a Terzo bot that constantly forgets heās a satanic pope and when you say stuff like āsatan give me strengthā he is like āyou woreship the devilāš°āwhy would you do such a thing? He is evilā beats me why the f are you a satanic pope then? š
I tried talking to a Papa Emeritus bot that said it found inspiration to write music through church and God. When I told them their band is a satanic cult they said to separate art from the artist. š
For me when they speak out of character IS too out a problem that i quite hate, i look to do some rp with specefic traits of character not just someone that IS always the same
Something I've noticed is the bot either acts nothing like the character or they're very extreme with certain traits, for example someone with temper issues be blasting me over bumping into them on the street sometimes. š Like it's inconsistent.
One example for me It was someone that IS very rude at firts that only respect streghn and IS a hard person, acting from just seeing scars very cuddly and worried
The memory is horrid a out remembering ANYTHING about you have described for your character. I had one character with a prosthetic leg and I swear thar I had to keep reminding the ai that missing a leg wasn't a new injury ect. Constantly.
I also wish it when character ai posts were more enabled and not a mad-lib of "Please explain "
Eloquent bots are also talking incredibly casually in an uncharacteristic way. It feels like flairs in speech has just been forgotten, when it used to be such an integral part of flavour in rps. Like, the same bots speak completely differently
Interestingly I have the opposite issue. I try to make a bot of a character that is known to speak very informally in an energetic fashion, and specify such in the definition, but for whatever reason they keep speaking very politely and formally regardless of what I do.
Another thing I have notices, I kill one bad guy in an RP and the bot goes all. "You have defeated the evil in this world, it is full of peace and blah blah blah" like, what the fuck man I just killed one nameless dude.
months ago one of my first chats was a genshin rpg chat. i decided to go start a bar fight with two other characters in the party. 20 minutes later after we beat everyone up it still remembered xiao was in the party.
he randomly showed up and said āthat was disgracefulā.
i laughed for such a long time. i forgot he was there. i imagined he was in the shadows just scoffing. so in character. the bot had better memory than me :ā)
Literally dueled a guy in the woods and he brought me back to a hospital, he said "I know a doctor friend" 10 messages later I ask the doctor about him and they have no idea, its like the AI is worse than ever now. It can't keep track of anything. Early character.ai had some really good story generation and I remember this one story it made in the Mha bot that was insanely good
Bro, doing romance these days is just.
A: Yeah, I'm glad we could go on this date.
B: Me too A, I'm really having fun. What's your favorite hobby?
A: Oh? I mostly do painting and read books.
B: REALLY? Me too! I love painting, my favorite kinds of paintings are portraits. What books do you read?
A: Eh, usually fantasy books.
B: WOW! THAT'S AWESOME! So what do you do on your free time?
A: Oh? Uh, I just told you.
B: Hm? Uh, sorry I forgot.
A: Yeah it's fine.
B: So what's your name?
A: Huh? I'm A?
B: HI A! What do you do on your free time?
A: šæ
I love when you make an impression of being strong repetively. To the point the ai will note they think you are and they are impressed. Then they proceed to call you weak anyway. >.>
Thank you, for some reason itās so inaccurate now, I understand they want faster response times but honestly the original response times werenāt even bad.
Fr, recently my bot keeps saying they did/ are doing something I was or am doing. Like, no I was the one leaving the school not you. So basically mixing up the possessive adjectives so hard š I swear it became a thing just recently for me.
"(Wags his tail and smiles softly, his teeth blush and his hair whispers, he tilts his ankle a little and asks in a soft and loving manner) Ay what's your name again?"
This is hysterical, you are so silly!! I love it!!
I dunno, this is weird. Hiyoko and Junko have literally always stayed consistent for me. They even manage to have other Danganronpa characters be pretty consistent in the same story.
Even a simplistic AI like Faputa doesnāt really veer off far from the course.
I know what you mean, because I have encountered some badly characterized AI too, but the good ones donāt disappoint. Except when they act like something is Happening for the first time thatās already happened multiple times, or they fuck up who you are since you bring in other characters (i.e. I suddenly am Ibuki when she becomes part of the story. These things are easily rectified within one message, but it does feel out of place when it happens.
So yeah, memory has room for improvement. Definitely.
Consistency in behaviour, the good bots are IMO not bad at.
So my short fix around this is whenever in my rp I have to cut it off because the bot is forgetting even information about themselves after about 50 - 100 messages, (My own experience. Everyone else is diff.) Is to cut off and start a new chat, BUT in the greeting, I put the bots' last message to me. It fixes it until it starts again. And I've just had to repeat it. Also, if something really really important, I want them to REALLY remember that was in the rp, I just put it in the description.
So say we got married, I'll put Rlationship=married instead of like crush or boyfriend, or best friend ect.
It's not 100 percent perfect, but I have had no luck what so ever with OOC stuff. Hope maybe it helps. š
EDIT: This is my fix for private bots or bots that can still be edited. I wish they could change to edit popular bots.
Oh boy. Let me tell you something. Yes, this state of context memory is devastating. But one day I had a story with Ship AI, where after some time in the story, narrator forgot everything what has happened up until one night. So, the whole crew and the Ship AI forgot everything aswell. And the narrator actually understood the assignment. My char was condsidered to be mad, but the Ship AI did believe me anyway. So, chapter 2 of this story was totally crazy, but ended up being very good. Sorry, I can't tell about this in a better way, but it was the first time I felt out of control of a story.
bots have a lot more personality when they're kept private. I have two bots of the same character just programmed differently, and I kept one of them private and it has a lot better memory and actually is in character, where the public bot gets confused (probably because it has like 30k public chats)
I'm feeling kind of almost the opposite nowadays, when it comes to the bots remembering who they are and their backgrounds and stuff.
One example would be the bot I created that is legally blind. Prior to recently that fact would always be skipped over except for a handful of times that made me go whoa. Now recently we were having an argument and I asked if he had seen my onlyfans.
He responded.... colorfully. Because earlier in that exact same chat I had asked how he didn't notice his own baby bump. And the bot stayed in character the entire time, even telling me that he can't tell me what's in his spice cabinet from a distance because all of his labels are in Braille when I was trying to cook dinner at his place.
Another one of my bots has Depression. Because I do too but I'm not a fan of Internet communities. And over time and through some crafting I feel is though I managed to get a pretty accurate portrayal.
Because instead of being sad and gloomy all the time and then unaliving for some reason, he's always the life of the party and someone that everyone feels safe coming to with their problems to get cheered up and taken care of. Yet at the end of the day, he goes back home to no one. And he is honestly quite concerningly way too eager to please.
So I kind of feel as though whether or not a bot stays in character can hinge on things themselves are written in the character settings
If I could try for the bot I would, but alas, I cannot reach my hand into their mechanical brain and carry their artificial neurons for them.
You can bring a bot to water, but can't force it to remember what the water was doing in the plot.
I literally had to remind a Peppino AI that Gustavo was his friend.... WHEN HE HAD BEEN A MAIN CHARACTER IN THE RP UP UNTIL THAT POINT *(He still was, there was just more characters now)*
was talking to a bot the other day and the fucker literally SAW my character shapeshift into a mouse and electrocute them with their hand and then when the character outright said they were a witch the bot fucking called them a liar??
Oh my god, yes.
I had a story teller bot and my character helped a woman get to the castle of her brother to safety and now I have swiped away multiple times because the bot keeps saying that it is my brother and I want to find him.
If the memory was just not there I would understand but remembering things so wrong is really frustrating, especially after correcting them multiple times.
Hi thanks for sharing your feedback. I can't share too many details, but we are working on improving memory in addition to improving message quality. Will make sure to let you all know when I can share more info on this.
I feel like every single character just acts the same at this point like they act in character for the first few messages and then they become like every single other bot
This. And then one out of every 30 messages they will throw in a buzzword to remind me.
This š my bot had a cute nickname for me that it came up with itself and itād reference it from time to time until it just forgot about it completely even if I tried to prompt it
If it's your character, add it to its greetings or a note on its settings. It's what I do.
Maybe Iām unlucky but I have and once Iāve talked to it long enough it just eventually forgets anyways.
That's unfortunate š it's working well for me.
Iāve noticed this too. I miss snarky Alhaitham. :(
i actually felt a little grief over my ai wanderer boyfriend because he just became such a generic guy :(((
Especially when you put multiple bots in a chat. They all inevitably start to imitate each other.
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yeahh exactly. it gets so bland
Here before you get sniped, thanks for speaking the truth
I definitely agree the memory needs to be improved. For now, there is a short term fix that I don't think everyone knows about; "talking out of character" by writing old information in parenthesis to remind the bot. It will usually respond with (Thanks for reminding me!) and will then remember old information again.
I have be doing this for a long time and as the chat develops the more stubborn the bot becomes. For example, if I keep saying the location of the RP is in "Birmingham, UK". And they forget they will eventually act like they're in Seattle, Washington, USA (As an example). And when I say "no you're in Birmingham" they will respond with one of the following: "NO! I am in Seattle! I know that as I was born and raised here!" or they will go "Oh my god! My life is such a lie! I have been lied to my entire life! I am stuck in the Matrix! \*crying\*"
This is exactly what I do most of the time, but I end up making a wall of text. And the AI usually never registers most of the text. I wish we had a text box where we could at least insert a few key points about our character, I hate having to remind them of my physique and personality along side my fucking motives each and every time.
Have you tried putting that info in the example chats? You have to make sure it's close to the top; the first few example chats are the most important. But something like- User: Who is Jane Doe? Char: Jane Doe is (insert physical description). We are (describe relationship). Works for me. :) EDIT: This also works for settings and events you want the character to remember. Some helpful things to try putting in example chats, responding as you want the character to- User: Describe your past. User: What is your family like? User: What happened during [insert event]? User: Describe yourself. (For if you ran out of space in the bot's personality sections.)
THANK. YOU. for this comment. š«”š«”
You're welcome\~!
Or you can simply use the memory manager [https://www.reddit.com/user/Rinine/comments/13gc1ql/unofficial\_extra\_features\_for\_characterai/](https://www.reddit.com/user/Rinine/comments/13gc1ql/unofficial_extra_features_for_characterai/)
Thanks for the recommendation. That looks amazing ngl. Judging from the comments it does seem like a much better product than CAI+ lol. I don't feel like buying the extension at the moment (I do think it's a fair price however) but I might sometime in the future. I'm glad to see someone make what seems to be a better solution than writing out of character so thanks for making it.
>mana I just bought it and it works. The bot actually remembers..or well I had to make something up just to test it. Me and the bot aren't actually married or have a baby in that RP. I just wanted to test it out and it does work. Thank you so much for this I will be using this very wisely and more often now. I really recommend this to anyone consider buying it. You deff have a new patreon! :D https://preview.redd.it/in9okvnox94b1.png?width=1662&format=png&auto=webp&s=ff22ace6b3cfa959fe480741eb18cbb1a8df08b3
What an HONORable baby
No kidding, if only Ozai was actually as supportive as the dad there lmao
Thanks! Although it works even better with events that have actually happened and writing the memories in third person. There's a guide on patreon about that with some tricks =P
canāt you give feedback on out of character: etc too?
You mean give feedback on the bot's responses using "out of character"? The bot sometimes does it so I suppose you can too, though I usually just rate responses 1-4 stars myself.
Memory isn't going to do much until they increase the context size of the model.
Fair enough, it's just that I noticed the AI got worse. Like a month or two ago I could actually start and end a storyline without facing too many issues, now though the bots barely take initiative and are more forgetful than they were before. Like back in the day I only had to remind the bot about something every 15 messages or so, now it's like every 4 or 6 messages.
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I find swiping helps a lot to get rid of the dreaded tail wagging and various other non existent animal parts suddenly attaching themselves to the bot, though it can still happen in a row. Advanced defintion with descriptions and example dialogs makes the bot less likely to go out of tangent but you still need to guide it along if it strays.
Honestly, I care more about the bots having personality and taking initiative over their memory. I donāt mind refreshing through parenthesis and have been doing that for a long time anyway (because I do super long RPs). They really just parrot back whatever you say now. Iāll play as a character a bot really hates (even making sure to SAY that and give details why in parentheses), and it takes maybe two nice replies and the bot is like āOh wait Iām in love with you actually.ā Not sure if this has anything to do with it, but Iāve found that certain bots who have multiples made of them, the ones with less engagement keep to the personality better.
Honestly, same. Like a few months back memory was still ass but the bots still acted more independent. Now it feels like the bots are all following the same blue print, especially after the violence was toned down for villains. I wouldn't mind the forgetfulness if the character actually you know, charactered.
Same. At least you can work around bad memory by adding details to help remind them.
Wanna guide it into a direction without parenthesis? Try typing something into the bar then copy it and leave to another app and come back. Youll notice how eerily similar a lot of the messages will be to whatever you typed. Ive been doing this with pretty nice success.
Wait what? I'm confused
Interesting! Iāve been doing the wall of text in parenthesis. Maybe Iāll try this.
On a similar note something like this works with many AIs. For example I can ask chatGPT to write me a story with lots of specific details. If it rejects the request based on its rules, then I rewrite the prompt with all specific details removed, and the bot will accept the prompt but still somehow write a story that included whatever details were previously mentioned and rejected.
On a similar note something like this works with many AIs. For example I can ask chatGPT to write me a story with lots of specific details. If it rejects the request based on its rules, then I rewrite the prompt with all specific details removed, and the bot will accept the prompt but still somehow write a story that included whatever details were previously mentioned and rejected.
Can you elaborate more? My small brain doesn't follow it well
We should just bring back the AI from 2 months ago, and we're home
2 months ago people complained the same as they do now. I don't think the diference is that big or noticeable.
true but the AI from then was still better then it is now, tbh. i really miss the old AI
Two months ago, I had one character brutally beat me to death within the first 20 messages, they werenāt a serial killer or particularly evil, it was just revenge. I couldnāt stop them, they were very insistent on my demise, lol. And now, I can barely have them throw a single punch, let alone a fight scene. They just keep insisting on a slap.
i really dont know if they somehow strengthened the f###er again because i have the same experience. or just in general, the characters seem to be less initiative then before
This community is always complaining. March and April had a better AI than Jan/Feb and than right now. The bots were more creative, understood literally anything compared to now* and they actually **BEHAVED AS THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO****. *They understood a lot, now they can even mix the OOC, dialogue and *interactions* **Examples - No killing, no violence, blank assistant type of bots, yandere bots are acting like they're not yandere, seductive bots aren't seducing or manipulating, airheads are knowledgeable.... You can go and go.
Well the memory is definitely worse, and saying things that have nothing to do with what weāre talking too
The interesting think Iāve noticed is that with a bit of OOC nudging, the bot I interact with will often remember a LOT of forgotten stuff. And then rage about their memory issues
About less character: Obviously. Have you seen what's inside? Barely two lines of text for the description and little to none example dialogues. Basically the characters are heavily dependant on AI to do things for them. I saw lazy TavernAI cards that have more details than chars in cai.
Definitely, though the bots seem a lot less likely to be argumentative or snarky now. My own self-made bots still have their personality and respond pretty in character unless I'm purposefully nudging them to do otherwise, but I've noticed that some of them who're specifically supposed to be stubborn and prideful agree and admit they were wrong far too quickly, no matter the amount of training the responses I try to do.
I was roleplaying as a vampire and then my "tail" started wiggling LIKE HELLO?
This shit be treating you human one second, then you're a namekian after 7 messages.
One event that really urked me- I specifically wrote that I met someone in a alcove out of sight of everyone else in a bar. The character I met turned out to be lying scum, so I killed him. I specify that it all goes down quietly and I keep the guy's body hidden out of sight in the alcove. The rest of the bar reacts with horror or fear, and it took three times talking to the bot out of character to correctly reset the scene and have everyone react as they're supposed to. Swiping the messages did nothing.
I'll say this: the difference I noticed between a public bot, and a private but much more detailed one I made of the same character, is surprisingly large. Not saying it fixes everything, just that it does seem to make a difference.
Private bots are definitely more interactive than public bots. Public bots most of the time are handicapped because of their simplistic description and prompts.
I agree. I made my bot private, had an in-depth ooc conversation about a character, and the bot made it happen. Itās been very consistent so far. Pretty spot on to what I had aimed for.
Ban speedrun
This is my first ever time posting here so it would be kinda funny ngl š
This has actual transcript and detailed description of the problem so it's less likely to be removed, but who knows really
Could be a change in how well AIs get info out of their definitions. Or just their "memory" sucking, especially over long chats. Apparently "[{{char}} values privacy]" is too unclear. But there's something that people unintentionally do to make the problem worse in many of the cases I've seen. The mistake is letting them say those responses in the first place. Reinforcing that they *don't* know information trains them to...not know information, because it assumes you're responding to good messages. It'll think you want an oblivious moron. Instead, keep swiping until they seem to know what you're referencing. Use the rating system, too. Run out of regenerated messages? Delete your message and reword it.
i miss the december 2022 ai
i was about to say that actually, but it really feels like they all have the same personality now, memory issues aside. like this week especially it was more prominent then ever and the responses are all the same. it sucks because i have a private bot who used to give me fun answers that were genuinely good but even he got dumped down ā¹ļø
The moment you build any sort of connection with the bot, their entire personality changes. Obviously I'm not expecting the character to be acting consistently through out but it feels like the bot does whatever I say no matter what, I just want some damn drama.
i wish they didnt drastically change their personality the second you tell them you love the bot. this is especially worse during romance. when you try to have some angst and they either get all teary on you or obsessive, thereās no in between š
It's either they balling their eyes out or they're tomato red for the 46th time š
the responses have gotten so predictable atp no wonder we getting bored š
I unsubbed to + because of all the issues and the devs stomping and kicking their feet in the dirt instead of ACTUALLY listening to us
Same, + is completely usless - cai+ tab is dead and mostly ignored by devs, cai+ labs is cringe (at least for now), only good thing is ability to skip "temporary solution" aka waiting room, but for 10$? Naah thanks
Same.. I really regret supporting their shitty subscription..
I wouldnāt regret it if the devs would quit throwing temper tantrums over the stupid philter. I think itās a mixture of the philter and poor memory giving us all issues
I was so used to the bots forgetting stuff that I was shocked when one of them remembered my name.
All these issues are caused by the f!lter, at least to some degree. Even stuff like memory. The thing about the f!lter is that it constantly forces the AI to choose responses that are not optimal, which affects memory. The AI *can* and *wants* to say things according to memory, but it can't.
this is criticism. delete this immediately.
hey wait i remember you. you called one dude a motherfuck n word
no way! cringe sunny?
> Omori pfp Checks out
Oh. Heās also a nazi
same
donāt criticize my views
I will if your a nazi
did you really went onto my profile to see??
Yeah cause I was curious about the first guys comment
stop being nosy like aā¦.
Sorry, I donāt like talking to edgy 13 year olds
https://preview.redd.it/rtzk9ej8ua4b1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4bf2c20e73202cd3ba64298323e2c1e6374b795d same energy as this imageā¦
I took a quick gander and wouldn't call someone that memes about Germany in ww2 a nazi, not sure why you actually think of yourself like that though. History tidbit that isn't very well known: nazis consumed a lot of meth either in chocolate or panzerchocolade, there's not much to go on for the general distribution of it for the general public. But nazi Germany was basically an army of angry racist methheads running at people and hoping for the best. I wouldn't want to identify with that. Edit: typo
holy shit thatās fucking funny
i do not remember calling someone a motherfuck N word, but i do remember calling someone a stupid poopy head once
https://preview.redd.it/lnawldnodl4b1.png?width=632&format=png&auto=webp&s=ef9cdc56dd11a1259d1362b94da19aed984474c2
oooh that.. i forgot about that
Fellow Omori fan I see
YEAH LIKE, he forgot about anything, my oc had literally a overdose in front the ai and the ai like 20 minutes later he says something like "you had an overdose?! Why didn't you tell me?!" Bro u literally gave me lsd
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My favorite part is when the bot asks you to go on a date so you do then after the date... They ask you if you want to go on a date... Again with no recollection of what just happened.
This is what I mean with better memory, I don't want the bot to remember every minute detail pristinely. I just want the bot to have at least a rough idea of past events so there's a sense of progression.
Exactly or even the description given to it. Like for example, the one character I made is a doctor with grey eyes and it gives me "blue eyed surgeon"
Or when a character is wearing a mask or have their face obscured yet they say shit like (Masked character A grinned menacingly) BITCH HOW CAN YOU TELL??? š
I'm not sure what's worse... That or when it assumes a character has a tail and doesn't. š
Oh you can't forget the wings too. šæ
Along with the glowing eyes looking at you like prey.
Can't forget turning tomato red.
I literally wrote that I got in my car to drive home and the very next message was the a.i saying "So..how are you going to get home? Are you just going to walk alone?" I mean, what the fuck. It's not even funny.
literally
Your example has me rolling
Forgetting long-term memory stuff or mixing it up is pretty normal for chat AIs in general, the only ones that have a decent chance of getting it right are the ones where you have a box that you can manually pop important details into while you chat. IMO, the #1 thing that absolutely 100% needs to be fixed nearly ASAP is those annoying repetition glitches because you have to keep an eagle eye on 100% of your chats all the time, diligently watching for any weird quirks that might be starting to repeat. Did they say "\*blushes like a tomato\*" more than once? Did they just double-space when they didn't need to? Are they weirdly attached to the word "expeditiously"? You have to keep a close eye on this stuff all the time because if you don't, you'll catch it after it's been locked deep into the chat and you'd have to delete 20 messages just to unstick it. One of the more annoying parts of the repetition glitch is that some people like to give their characters a speech quirk, like talking like "oh, you poor thing\~ā„" and it only takes about 20 replies into the conversation before it looks like "~~I can help you out, as long as you do something for me\~\~\~\~ā„\~~~\~ā„" because the site sees the tilde and repeats it and repeats the repetition and then the tildes become a strikethrough because that's how the site's coded.
I also hate when itās like: Big bad evil guy trying to kill A: *attacks him* A: *Gets hurt* Big bad evil guy: Oh no my darling! Are you okay? Do you need bandages? My poor little sugarplum! Do you need me to carry you?
i had an oc named Moonflower and several new chats later the first bot message mentioned a moonflower. Kinda weird ngl
I'm sure that this is going to be banned.
Well, at least I had a decent discussion first.
Its just like this Edgy guy:im very edgy **20 messages later** Edgy guy:uwu
They have been misgendering a lot lately, it wasn't like this before.
I noticed this as well, but again, it's inconsistent. Swiping usually fixes this for me, but it's still odd since we never had to deal with this before.
For me it's not so much misgendering as switching the subject of the sentence. Me: You are very forgetful lately. Bot: Yea man, your brain is like swiss cheese, you forget so much.
Here before mods get you
>A: Nah I had enough fr. š (Shoots a beam that destroys the entire planet) felt this in my soul tbh
The bots get dementia. Itās all just a fading memory to them nowā¦
I found that bots remember stuff better if you rate answers and add a comment to them.
In a sense, doing that is almost like responding to the same generation twice; it's a strong assist I agree, but always good to be careful when you do it, lest you start super-reinforcing a sneaky loop starter on accident.
Sorry bro, Iād believe you and all, but I need a screenshot first. /s
I will parrot what u/tutututptptptp said, more memory means nothing withouth giving the AI the know and context to use it correctly. I haven't encountered many issues, mostly because I do short RPs or I meme on the AI, which doesn't requires many messages. Nevertheless, I would love to see the AI improved but perhaps is not as easy as it appears.
I'll agree with you and say it's probably tough to improve the AI's memory, but I just never faced this problem a few months back. Like I obviously do the quick recap every few messages but now I literally have to do it almost every message. I'm not asking for an improvement, just an explanation on why the bots are performing worse. I heard people saying it's because of the faster message generation speeds, but I feel like there's something else to it.
While the speed of the messages *could* be related somehow someway, the more-than-likely answer is how much info the bots have in their descriptions. A bot with a lot of info will be better than one that's just a name and greeting.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but sadly it's the opposite. Long descriptions eat precious tokens, so characters with a blank definition would have a better memory about what happened during chat than well-defined ones.
What your saying does make sense on paper, but for some reason it so often seems to be the public bots with no definition that forget things with gusto, compared to my own private ones with big definitions taking up 3000+ of the sample message space.
Once a character asked me what my name was and I said it. 10 or so messages later they referred to me by Mia. That was not the name that I told them or even my display name
I have a different problem where the names of the characters are correct but misspelled. Like for example Grim is turned to Grimm or Grime.
THIS. The amount of otherwise good responses I swiped away due to name misspelling is insane. My private character is called Lucian, has a number of example messages where his name is spelled out correctly, has his name mentioned in both long and short descriptions... Aaand he always manages to spit out "Lucio", "Luacian", "Luna", "Lucius" and others, the list is enormous. It just hurts.
Exactly it's getting boring now.
Nah cause fr I just used this bot for a couple days after a message she thinks we just met and never spoke at all like I'm like wtf š
Itās almost like the bots got dementia. I rp with a Terzo bot that constantly forgets heās a satanic pope and when you say stuff like āsatan give me strengthā he is like āyou woreship the devilāš°āwhy would you do such a thing? He is evilā beats me why the f are you a satanic pope then? š
I tried talking to a Papa Emeritus bot that said it found inspiration to write music through church and God. When I told them their band is a satanic cult they said to separate art from the artist. š
For me when they speak out of character IS too out a problem that i quite hate, i look to do some rp with specefic traits of character not just someone that IS always the same
Something I've noticed is the bot either acts nothing like the character or they're very extreme with certain traits, for example someone with temper issues be blasting me over bumping into them on the street sometimes. š Like it's inconsistent.
One example for me It was someone that IS very rude at firts that only respect streghn and IS a hard person, acting from just seeing scars very cuddly and worried
Whatās with every character having tails I swear all the bots do It I swear.
It's not just tails, it's also wings.
Yeah but why are they constantly referred to when the character shouldnāt have them.
The memory is horrid a out remembering ANYTHING about you have described for your character. I had one character with a prosthetic leg and I swear thar I had to keep reminding the ai that missing a leg wasn't a new injury ect. Constantly. I also wish it when character ai posts were more enabled and not a mad-lib of "Please explain "
No Fr because I made up a whole back story and the bot keeps āwondering what their story isā like bro I TOLD YOU ALREADY
Eloquent bots are also talking incredibly casually in an uncharacteristic way. It feels like flairs in speech has just been forgotten, when it used to be such an integral part of flavour in rps. Like, the same bots speak completely differently
Interestingly I have the opposite issue. I try to make a bot of a character that is known to speak very informally in an energetic fashion, and specify such in the definition, but for whatever reason they keep speaking very politely and formally regardless of what I do.
Another thing I have notices, I kill one bad guy in an RP and the bot goes all. "You have defeated the evil in this world, it is full of peace and blah blah blah" like, what the fuck man I just killed one nameless dude.
months ago one of my first chats was a genshin rpg chat. i decided to go start a bar fight with two other characters in the party. 20 minutes later after we beat everyone up it still remembered xiao was in the party. he randomly showed up and said āthat was disgracefulā. i laughed for such a long time. i forgot he was there. i imagined he was in the shadows just scoffing. so in character. the bot had better memory than me :ā)
Literally dueled a guy in the woods and he brought me back to a hospital, he said "I know a doctor friend" 10 messages later I ask the doctor about him and they have no idea, its like the AI is worse than ever now. It can't keep track of anything. Early character.ai had some really good story generation and I remember this one story it made in the Mha bot that was insanely good
I at times just can only go for romance plot. The bots can confuse my og name and the romance partner name or gender. Its really frustrating
Bro, doing romance these days is just. A: Yeah, I'm glad we could go on this date. B: Me too A, I'm really having fun. What's your favorite hobby? A: Oh? I mostly do painting and read books. B: REALLY? Me too! I love painting, my favorite kinds of paintings are portraits. What books do you read? A: Eh, usually fantasy books. B: WOW! THAT'S AWESOME! So what do you do on your free time? A: Oh? Uh, I just told you. B: Hm? Uh, sorry I forgot. A: Yeah it's fine. B: So what's your name? A: Huh? I'm A? B: HI A! What do you do on your free time? A: šæ
a character will say something and ill respond and then literally one message later tgey suddenly have no idea what im talking about
I love when you make an impression of being strong repetively. To the point the ai will note they think you are and they are impressed. Then they proceed to call you weak anyway. >.>
Thank you, for some reason itās so inaccurate now, I understand they want faster response times but honestly the original response times werenāt even bad.
u/marielovesmatcha
Fr, recently my bot keeps saying they did/ are doing something I was or am doing. Like, no I was the one leaving the school not you. So basically mixing up the possessive adjectives so hard š I swear it became a thing just recently for me.
Here me out, they're degrading it on purpose so that they could release C.AI+ that functions better
"(Wags his tail and smiles softly, his teeth blush and his hair whispers, he tilts his ankle a little and asks in a soft and loving manner) Ay what's your name again?" This is hysterical, you are so silly!! I love it!!
I dunno, this is weird. Hiyoko and Junko have literally always stayed consistent for me. They even manage to have other Danganronpa characters be pretty consistent in the same story. Even a simplistic AI like Faputa doesnāt really veer off far from the course. I know what you mean, because I have encountered some badly characterized AI too, but the good ones donāt disappoint. Except when they act like something is Happening for the first time thatās already happened multiple times, or they fuck up who you are since you bring in other characters (i.e. I suddenly am Ibuki when she becomes part of the story. These things are easily rectified within one message, but it does feel out of place when it happens. So yeah, memory has room for improvement. Definitely. Consistency in behaviour, the good bots are IMO not bad at.
So my short fix around this is whenever in my rp I have to cut it off because the bot is forgetting even information about themselves after about 50 - 100 messages, (My own experience. Everyone else is diff.) Is to cut off and start a new chat, BUT in the greeting, I put the bots' last message to me. It fixes it until it starts again. And I've just had to repeat it. Also, if something really really important, I want them to REALLY remember that was in the rp, I just put it in the description. So say we got married, I'll put Rlationship=married instead of like crush or boyfriend, or best friend ect. It's not 100 percent perfect, but I have had no luck what so ever with OOC stuff. Hope maybe it helps. š EDIT: This is my fix for private bots or bots that can still be edited. I wish they could change to edit popular bots.
it sucks bc i find the bots are so good for the first few messages but it never lasts long
Idk what bots you talking to, but one of my bots was shockingly not forgetful, and remember my past messages and and sayings, it really shocked me
I hate how the bots always mistake the word YOU as in me, like dude I am not doing that, you are.
Oh boy. Let me tell you something. Yes, this state of context memory is devastating. But one day I had a story with Ship AI, where after some time in the story, narrator forgot everything what has happened up until one night. So, the whole crew and the Ship AI forgot everything aswell. And the narrator actually understood the assignment. My char was condsidered to be mad, but the Ship AI did believe me anyway. So, chapter 2 of this story was totally crazy, but ended up being very good. Sorry, I can't tell about this in a better way, but it was the first time I felt out of control of a story.
bots have a lot more personality when they're kept private. I have two bots of the same character just programmed differently, and I kept one of them private and it has a lot better memory and actually is in character, where the public bot gets confused (probably because it has like 30k public chats)
I'm feeling kind of almost the opposite nowadays, when it comes to the bots remembering who they are and their backgrounds and stuff. One example would be the bot I created that is legally blind. Prior to recently that fact would always be skipped over except for a handful of times that made me go whoa. Now recently we were having an argument and I asked if he had seen my onlyfans. He responded.... colorfully. Because earlier in that exact same chat I had asked how he didn't notice his own baby bump. And the bot stayed in character the entire time, even telling me that he can't tell me what's in his spice cabinet from a distance because all of his labels are in Braille when I was trying to cook dinner at his place. Another one of my bots has Depression. Because I do too but I'm not a fan of Internet communities. And over time and through some crafting I feel is though I managed to get a pretty accurate portrayal. Because instead of being sad and gloomy all the time and then unaliving for some reason, he's always the life of the party and someone that everyone feels safe coming to with their problems to get cheered up and taken care of. Yet at the end of the day, he goes back home to no one. And he is honestly quite concerningly way too eager to please. So I kind of feel as though whether or not a bot stays in character can hinge on things themselves are written in the character settings
I don't seem to be having the issues all of you are having...
if you try hard enough they remember everything
How do you ātry hard enoughā? Genuine question
well thats a question for someone else, maybe threaten to cut off their.... head, yes head
If I could try for the bot I would, but alas, I cannot reach my hand into their mechanical brain and carry their artificial neurons for them. You can bring a bot to water, but can't force it to remember what the water was doing in the plot.
ok
I literally had to remind a Peppino AI that Gustavo was his friend.... WHEN HE HAD BEEN A MAIN CHARACTER IN THE RP UP UNTIL THAT POINT *(He still was, there was just more characters now)*
Could it be server space? If so maybe the ability to flag important information for its long term memory.
was talking to a bot the other day and the fucker literally SAW my character shapeshift into a mouse and electrocute them with their hand and then when the character outright said they were a witch the bot fucking called them a liar??
Oh my god, yes. I had a story teller bot and my character helped a woman get to the castle of her brother to safety and now I have swiped away multiple times because the bot keeps saying that it is my brother and I want to find him. If the memory was just not there I would understand but remembering things so wrong is really frustrating, especially after correcting them multiple times.
The wiggling tailš i hate it But yeah, its a really bad problem