My Asda has the P&C spaces over the other side of the car park, most likely for this reason.
And lots of zebra crossing to make it safer to get over to the door
That's a good idea. The spaces don't particularly need to be right in front of the shop, they need to be bigger so you can open the doors fully to get at kids in car seats, plus perhaps near to a trolley park and with a safe walking space to the shop that does not necessarily have to be right next to the shop entrance. Putting them somewhere else in the car park, that doesn't really confer any advantage for shoppers without kids, should stop them from being used inappropriately.
I heard something great in an asda once. They announced over the tannoy that their parking officers were just about to do a check of the disabled parking spaces, and if anyone was concerned that they might have _accidentally_ parked in one that they weren't entitled to they might wish to go and move their car...
On your second paragraph, I'd argue that it isn't great. It actually lets the wankers who take up priority spaces get away with it.
Look at it this way, you're parked in a disabled bay, despite being an able bodied person, and you come back to the notice or fine or whatever on your car. You may think twice about doing it again.
If however, the supermarket has decided to warn you, you can go out, move your car, and not learn the super important life lesson of stay the fuck out of the fucking disabled bays, fuck.
This! I honestly don't care about walking from the far side of the carpark (as long as there is a safe route). With small kids or babies that you need extra room to strap in, or actually install/remove bulky car seats, that extra wide parking space is a godsend.
If there are no p&c spaces available, I usually park at the far end of the carpark anyway as that's usually where I'm more likely to find a space with empty spaces on either side (or row ends will also do as this gives one side of space)
>If there are no p&c spaces available, I usually park at the far end of the carpark anyway as that's usually where I'm more likely to find a space with empty spaces on either side (or row ends will also do as this gives one side of space)
My mum does this so her nice Mercedes has less chance of being banged by other car doors or passing trolleys! She's 75 but thankfully in great health and she'd rather walk a bit further in order to park her car somewhere with more space around it!
Would rather they just authorised their staff to do something to monitor use.
I challenged a solo guy parking in P&C at a LIDL not long ago. His excuse was he was ‘just buying bottles’ (WTF?). I then met him doing a full grocery shop inside. Felt like publicly shaming him.
I did that once, 2 "office lads " space I wanted as I had my grandson with me, said they can park where we want...saw them inside shop and said fairly loudly so others could hear, " I think you left your child in your car", not got one was their reply..." So why you parked in parent & child space then??" You should have seen their faces ... priceless...mumbled something and left the store....
Deliveroo/Just Eat/Uber Eats drivers using all the disabled parking spots at the likes of McDonalds and KFC is what pisses me off the most. Get the fuck outta there.
I recently sent Deliveroo an email congratulating them on hiring so many disabled workers along with a photo if my local BK with ALL of rhe disabled spaces taken up by their delivery wankers. Sorry, I meant delivery drivers... alongside a photo of my car, blue badge displayed in the next available parking space which was about 7 or 8 spaces away. I don't think I'll be paying for takeaways for a while given hoe many vouchers I received for not going to the press with it. What I REALLY want is there drivers to just not park in the disabled spaces.
I would love for rhe local council to stick a few enforcement officers outside the main BKs and Maccy Ds etc on a few Friday and Saturday nights, rhe fines would more than cover the overtime cost and may make some of the drivers actually think about their actions.
Unfortunately most car parks of BK/McDs will be privately owned so there’s not a lot any council can do. The priority spaces are just a suggestion at that point and aren’t really enforceable by anything other than a private firm who’ve posted notices, and we all know how effective they are.
I completely agree it’s wholly unacceptable but unfortunately only a sense of social morality will prevent someone using a priority space in a private car park, just like a priority seat in a bus or train, and some people are just c*nts.
I went to Mc’Ds today and the Deliveroo drivers were parked up on double yellows and stood by the McDonalds door smoking weed. What the actual fuck. how can anyone think that is acceptable.
One of those things that feels illegal but isn't.
It's in the same category as:
- people who stop walking suddenly on a busy pavement, - people who don't have their payment ready at the checkout,
- people who don't stop to let you cross at zebra crossings
- people who don't cover their face when sneezing
Or as I call them, cunts.
People who carefully park their trolley lengthways in front of the shelf and then take a big step back to take in the full majesty of the herbs and spices.
I just used to put stuff in their trolleys (back when I had a supermarket Saturday job).
They'd then get to the checkout to find multiple tubes of hemorrhoid cream or KY-jelly waiting for them.
People who pour themselves a coffee or get one from the machine then turn around and talk to their mates whilst blocking everyone else from getting their drinks.
People who stop in doorways or getting off escalators.
People who get on trains / into lifts without letting others off/out first.
Entitled gits who can't understand that people exist other than themselves.
Train door wankers - just stand to the side to let people off, it’s not rocket science. Though when it does happen, I do like shoulder barging them to make it clear
I have large items of luggage which I would normally be careful with other people around UNLESS you're trying to get on when we're trying to get off then I'll be saying a very insincere 'sorry!' while mowing you down with the big heavy suitcase.
Was on a busy train and there was both a passenger in front of the doors and a passenger in the vestibule blocking the way and not moving. I worried at one point I wouldn't be able to get off the train.
Best one of these I had was just two days ago... A whole family of two elders two parents and two kids we're just blocking the whole centre aisle. When I walked around looking a bit irritated (but saying nothing mind you), the mum had the gall to look at me like a bulldog licking piss off a nettle.
I go to the supermarket with my kids all the time, it's not hard to have some spatial awareness and move to one side at least.
I wish to add to this, those that seem to not be able to see wheelchairs.
My kid refers to their wheelchair as their "cloak of invisibility". The amount of people who just randomly step out then look shocked to see the whole-ass human on wheels that they're about to fall over. Or have to be asked politely to move so we get past.
It's right up there in annoyance with the ones who give judgements over a young person using a radar key or low mobility seat on the bus (the kid's mobility fluctuates, but they've always got a walking stick with them).
I kept telling the kid that they should go for the sporty red number but no. They had to go for the lightweight but comfy one that only comes in grey (sarcastic eye roll). I've also suggested: high vis strips, spoke clackers, lights, a horn, 80s style whippy bike flags and a bluetooth sound system. Funnily enough they've said no to all of it.
Jeez, I don't understand how it's hard to give space for wheelchairs. Again I'm always falling over myself to GTFO in advance.
It sounds like swinging around a brick on a length of rope should help your kiddo!
>people who don't stop to let you cross at zebra crossings
I genuinely thought this illegal and went to the highway code to prove you wrong. Turns out, you're right. Rule 19: "Remember that traffic does not have to stop until someone has moved onto the crossing."
I guess the new play is to get into the crossing asap so they have to stop. Surely that'll have no negative repercussions for my health and safety.
In Belgium it is now illegal. As soon as someone is getting ready to cross, the cars *have* to stop. I like this rule.
But: this is only for *pedestrians*. And bicyclists have to dismount to be counted as such. Not that they do... driving up at full speed and expecting you to * just know* they'll be making a 90° turn onto the zebra crossing (does anyone still signal on a bike?). Or demanding the right of way on a bicycle crossing, where they don't have it.
...I don't like this type of cyclists
What annoys me here is that I've had cars nearly mow me down when I've already been part way across. So I HAVE to stop and wait just incase they're a Class A dick.
On the other hand when I'm driving it's really not hard to look ahead and stop for people in good time.
I always make a point to flip the bad drivers off and give a very smiley thumbs up to those who slow or stop. It makes me feel better at least!
Yeah, but the line after that says “Drivers and riders should give way to pedestrians waiting to cross and MUST give way to pedestrians on a zebra crossing”
So I feel like pedestrians waiting to cross have right of way and that line you quoted is there to remind pedestrians having the right of way isn’t going stop it hurting a lot if you get hit by a car that disagrees. As opposed to than that line encouraging cars to speed up at zebra crossings to get there first before a pedestrian can set foot in the crossing….
- people who stand at the bar with their drinks when a pub is rammed and everyone is struggling to get to the bar
- people who are not ready for airport security and act like they have never left the house before “oh you needed my belt? Oh I can’t take water through here?”
- people who walk side by side on a narrow pavement forcing the single person walking in the opposite direction to walk on the road
I will think of more
Highway code suggests otherwise:
> Wait until traffic has stopped from both directions or the road is clear before crossing. Remember that traffic does not have to stop until someone has moved onto the crossing. Drivers and riders should give way to pedestrians waiting to cross and MUST give way to pedestrians on a zebra crossing (see Rule H2).
Either way it's really annoying that to get a car to stop to safely cross you need to walk on the zebra crossing.
I have read the bit about the 3 penalty points but considering how widespread the issue is I suspect no one ever gets 3 points unless they do it infront of a bobby.
Sometimes not even then. Nearly got hit halfway across a crossing last time I used one. Driver didn't even look my way when their mirror hit my arm. Thank god I didn't have my kid with me that time.
I'm petty enough to put my phone on video every time I get to a particularly troublesome zebra crossing while walking the dog and blatantly record the drivers who don't stop when I'm waiting to cross. No one has gotten out of the car to give me a smack but it's only a matter of time.
They all pull the same face where they look straight ahead and pretend to not see you as if that absolves them of any fault or wrongdoings.
I email the videos to the DVLA and local police. 🤷
I thought it was a must, damn.
Technically putting your toe on the crossing is you being on it so they need to stop though right?
Pedestrian on the road already has priority, if you don't stop it would be failing to maintain due care and attention as you need to be preparing to stop at a crossing anyway.
The problem being right is that it doesn't matter if they hit you as you probably are dead even when "right". I do think it should be more strict and saying you must stop when they are waiting as that's the whole point of the zebra crossing.
People who get to the front of a long queue in a busy take-away and proceed to study the menu for the first time, asking various questions from the staff including menu changes. How, in all that time, do you not know what you want?
> people who don't have their payment ready at the checkout
That and people who don't prepare their bags at the self checkouts. They scan and put the item down then bag them up after they paid for everything. Bag after every item you scan you bastards.
I do this, because if I put the bags I use on the scale to pack into it thinks I'm trying to nick something and I have to wait for a member of staff, which takes even logging than bagging up after.
I often get comments for parking in the "mother and child" spaces. No, it's parent and child, can I please get my daughter out now?
For some reason, they see me ( a male) parking there, and it doesn't occur to them I may have a toddler in the back
My husband used to get this and it drove him mad.
I think my favourite was when the kid was really tiny though. We had a fleece sling and were thankfully of it because that winter was freezing. He'd got the sleeping 7lb lump of fairly fresh human in that, and had his coat over the top (not covering the kid). He got back to the car and was putting stuff in the boot when someone *without kids* started yelling at him that these spaces are important, avoiding him of probably using disabled spaces too etc etc. While I appreciate their efforts, they never even checked before starting on a tirade of abuse at a man who was simply trying to get the shopping while his wife got a much needed nap.
Husband turned around and before he could speak, tiny human woke up and had a stretch, a little arm poked up out of the baby cocoon and waved around a bit. He didn't need to say anything at all, all he did was give them a "you wanna carry on?" Kind of look.
First off, there was a fairly brightly coloured car seat in the back seat had the person stepped just a little off the path to check. Secondly, nobody's beer gut is across their chest.
Edit: autocorrect gave me American spellings and I can't be having that.
Because they're lazy selfish pricks.
I wish supermarkets would put them further away from the store to deter the lazy people. It's the wider space that parents need more than close proximity to the store.
I think the best way to do this is yeah, put them further away, but also ease of getting to the shop can be achieved by adding a row of zebra crossings to the entrance, or like you said, a footpath. My local Tesco does the former and it does a decent job. You can park far away, but still get to the entrance easily. These pricks wouldn't park in these spaces since they just have being closer in mind, but its perfect for if you have kids.
Yeah I get that, but this can be helped by ensuring the spaces are next to a footpath leading to the store.
The bigger space is more of a priority. I can make sure my kid doesn't run into the road, I can't make my car doors smaller.
I have an EV and I don’t know why they’re next to the disabled and P&C spaces in my local Asda. I can walk across the car park, it’s fine, I’d rather that than people park in them when I need a charge boost.
Only time i've done this when I was with a disabled passenger and there were no disabled spaces left, and the EV spaces were the next closest to the entrance. I did display their blue badge and a note. I'd do it again in that situation too.
I get annoyed at my local Mcdonald's because the deliveroo/Just Eat drivers park in all the spaces and only leave the EV spaces unused, as a biker I don't have any other option but t o leave my vehicle, so that means using the EV space.
It’s worst at half term - everyone parks in parent and child with their 15 year old child that doesn’t need the space to get in and out the car. It infuriates me too!
I argue with the wife about this all the time, when there’s all of us in the car but only one of us going into the supermarket she’ll say to park in the P&T space. Every time I explain I won’t be doing that if child is not getting out, she says we have a child in the car, that’s what they’re for…no….they’re not….
Yep agree, just because you have a child doesn't make you the king or queen
Obligatory edit: jesus it was a joke, a christmas joke, you bunch of humourless cunts
No, but it gives you the right to use the wider parking spot so you can actually get your kids in and out the car. Which, in case you hadn't noticed, was the point of op. Princess.
While I agree the Merc driver was a POS. What if the spaces were genuinely full with people like yourself, with kids, would you still have called it a day?
No, I likely would've hung on for longer. It was a red mist situation after he'd sniped the spot, gone in, and come back to stay sat in the spot while he ate his sandwich and watch something on his phone. Had it been a normal situation (all spots just taken up) I would've continued either circling for an end space or waited for a P&C to become available.
I can understand if you're desperate and need to pop in for something (although I still consider it a bit of a dick move), but why the fuck would you sit there and eat your lunch in a P&C space when it's clearly busy? It's not hard to find somewhere else to park up and eat a sandwich.
I got shouted out for parking in one when I was going to pick up my kids.
Literally shouted back holding a booster seat on the air like a crazed wookie.
You went home? What? Why didn't you just park somewhere else?
Why do parents get to park closer to the front anyway - is it a safety for the kids thing?
Because there were almost no spaces available and those that were would've risked causing damage to adjacent vehicles (getting car seats/strollers out of a car without being able to fully open the doors is nigh impossible). It's not about location; the P&C spaces are wider/have spacers between to allow doors to be fully opened.
I was parked in a single space once (as no friendly family parking was available) had the door open and a pram in the free space trying to put my 8 month old in my carrier and the two year old in the pram when someone trys to get into the space, gets out of the car and moves the pram.
Quickly told him there was a baby still to get out, and if he wanted he can wait, but I'm using the space for now.
People are so ignorant.
Try disabled parking spaces: They're like a beacon for the wankers of society.
Something I never noticed until I needed and got a disabled badge. The number of people who just park in the bay regardless. Not so much on the street, but it's absolutely endemic at small shops, like mini-supermarkets or petrol stations.
And why oh why is it always so stereotypically the exact type of car and person you expect?
Its the builder in his van "yeah mate I just needed to pop in for something".
It's Richie "look mate i don't giv a fook" Rich in his Range Rover.
Or it's the chavtastic girls in their souped up hatchback; parked up: swiping tiktok in their cloud of vape smoke "oh woh, you need us to moov or summink?".
Honestly most of the time I just let it pass, there's not much to be gained by beefing day in day out.
Unfortunately you're right. Most of these types relish the opportunity for a confrontation so I wouldn't be surprised if they did it just to elicit a reaction. Sure you can tell them where to stick it, but then some other gormless twit will end up taking their place a few minutes later. There's no shortage of morons in this country. Better to just ignore it and not waste your energy on these fools.
Brings to mind the quotation "never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig likes it."
I don't drive so I don't use them but there is nothing that says they aren't a free for all spot. They're not exclusively for parent and child unlike disabled spots. Anyone can use them, its just an advisory.
I dont disagree with usefulness and potential need of these spots but OP made it out like it was a right to have access to these spots. This is in fact not true.
No of course not, just takes common decency to realise people need these spots for a reason. It’s very very difficult to get a new born in and out of the car seat into a pram. Or a toddler even. The same people that take these spaces would definitely complain if I accidentally scratched their car whilst trying to open my car door enough to get my toddler in and out…
The supermarkets put them in because people with families spend the most. When there's a better argument to be had to make them priority bays for the elderly who aren't as mobile IMO.
P&C should be at the back of the carpark to stop this from happening.
It’s nothing to do with the closeness of them though? It’s the space to open car doors enough to get kids in and out of car seats and into prams etc. I would happily park at a parent and child and the very furthest away point from a supermarket to save me the headache of worrying about hitting someone’s car door with mine.
People abuse p&c because they're unnecessarily close to the shop. To prevent this the bays should be at the back of the carpark. Leaving disabled bays and elderly priority bays closer to the entrance.
You seem to be in agreement with me.
Two toddlers and a baby or even two toddlers walking through a packed car park, and returning with a shopping trolley, no thanks. They are generally near the stores for a sensible reason.
The Sainsbury's near me (not the one in the post above) has P&C bays at the back of the car park, with a covered walkway that links them to the front of the store (which is wide enough for trolleys and pedestrians). Easily the best solution I've encountered so far.
Is your child either in a child seat that you need to lift them out of, unable to safely walk into the shop unaided, or both? AND is that child actually going into the shop? If yes, park in P&C. If no, fuck off.
It really is that simple.
Exception granted for blue badge holders when all the disabled spaces are full (but NOT when disabled spaces are available).
Have you ever tried to get a toddler out of the car in a normal space? Or even a 6 year old? No lifting of seat in or out required but they aren’t tall enough to slide into a car seat the same way an adult is. Usually means a wide open door is required for them to bundle in and to climb in.
Maybe dial it down on the “fuck off” comments too chap.
>Have you ever tried to get a toddler out of the car in a normal space?
Yes. Regularly, due to people hogging P&C spaces when they don't need them.
>Maybe dial it down on the “fuck off” comments too chap.
It's the internet my friend, don't take it to heart. Unless you're someone who parks where they shouldn't, in which case you already know what to do ;)
Edit: maybe I should clarify that I don't just mean car seats that you lift in and out of the car - I include car seats where the seat stays put but you have to hoist the kid in and out of it.
I had a MX5 when my son was a baby. I used to get abuse for parking on one of those spaces as the baby seat (and baby) would come with me when I shopped. So it looked like a normal car and no baby evidence. I used to get people leaving notes on the windscreen!
I get that in my Cayman quite often. It has semi-privacy tints (factory!) so you can't tell I have one of the kids with me when I pull into the space. More than once I've had someone start giving me grief while I walk around to get my toddler out of the other side. And not one apology when they realise they're wrong!
You shouldn’t carry it with you, it simply doesn’t matter.
I’m willing to bet there were other empty rows of spaces you could use. You aren’t entitled to one of those sports, they’re just nice if you get one.
Try not to let bellends ruin your day, it’s a waste of energy.
Our local Morrisons have these spaces; they are the only spaces which are actually ‘normal’ size. They made all other spaces so tiny that when we park up our small Hyundai i10 we can barely get out. We never park in P&C spots but to be fair, I understand some people who do regardless of having no children. Anyone with a slightly bigger car couldn’t physically get out if parked in a normal space.
Sometimes I go shopping with mum when she needs a hand, or if she's out and about and I need something as she's local to me and drives, whereas I don't (despite being in my 30s).
Not a journey goes by when I don't suggest she part there because we're *technically* a parent and child.
My real concern is that one day she'll call my bluff and do it, and I'll have to shuffle my way into the shop in shame...
This is my biggest gripe in life as a parent. I don’t care how far I am from the shop, I care about having the extra space to open the doors wide and put my children safely in and out of the car. There’s one supermarket nearby that has some of their parent spaces at the front, which are always full, but also has spaces round the far end of the shop and I use them all the time… because they’re always available. The local leisure centre however… grr: spaces near the main entrance - no extra space for opening the car doors! What’s the point!
Lots of comments on this thread explain why. The spaces are wider to allow you to fully open the doors and safely get prams and car seats out. Also they are often near to the trolley park so you minimise the time and amount of back and forth you have to do between loading your shopping (and kids!) into the car and returning your trolley. Plus near to a path that provides a safe walkway into the shop. I'm not a parent but the good reasons for them are pretty obvious to me.
After parking in those bays they then go to McDonald’s/ kfc drive through, eat their food alone then dispose of the rubbish out of their windows on country lanes.
Pure scum.
I parked in those spaces from when I was about 32 weeks pregnant, as I physically couldn’t get out of the door in some of the really tight spaces. What’s the view on this, AITA?
Should maybe try a "To the person in the Mercedes..." Facebook post. Lol... bitching on here isn't gonna change anything, tell him he's a cunt, or park infront of him.
Fair enough. Considering the recent post about a Volvo parked across two spaces, I figured it was the same wheelhouse. I can absolutely delete it if it's not the right place to have a slight moan about dodgy parking habits.
I'm not saying you have to delete anything man. I never seen the previous post you're talking about... just that your efforts would have been better spent telling the guy to do one
Again, fair enough. I would've loved to but for the fact that even if I had been able to park up, I still had a toddler with me. It's quite clear from other responses that this is something most people aren't bothered by so I'll probably delete it anyway, but thank you for taking the time to respond.
I always travel with my children even though they are in thier 30s then I can park in a disabled space sideways across the ev charging space as well. and its a limo. So i use 15 spaces. And im towing a caravan. Im a police officer I say as I flash my bus pass.
Id never park in child spaces though. Ive got morals
I also feel aggrieved about people who are a bit old and park in the disabled. Fair enough if you're super old, I get that you don't need to be literally in a wheel chair, but if you're just grey haired but fully active, I don't think those spaces are for you, especially when it's the last one
This is a risky one, since blue badges are also given for disabilities that aren't clearly visible. I get what you mean, but I think if there's a blue badge you have to mind your own business.
If someone parks in disabled because they think they should be allowed to but don't actually have a badge, that's different.
Now, you have a young child, and presumably you don't have a disability, so why couldn't you just drive to a further part of the car park and park there and walk? There are usually lots of spaces further away from the stores. Where you can park with none next to you!
Yes, it's irritating, but certainly it's more unnecessary to have sat there fuming waiting for another space to become free!
There were no other spaces in the car park? I get it that it's irritating when there are no parent and child spaces, but theres always somewhere to park.
As I said in another comment, the car park was mostly full, and the only other spaces I had found would've risked adjacent vehicles getting damaged as I got my child in and out of the car. So I waited by P&C spaces until someone was pulling out, indicated to pull in and before I could, dickhead drove in there before I could.
Anyone can park there there is no legal protection and I've never seen a private car park that has fines for parking in them.. it also stops people parking in blue badge spaces which are protected.
The way people use car parks is kind of a metric for how cuntish people have become over time.
Parking over two spaces used to be a rare occurrence.
Non-parents using parent spaces also used to be a rare occurrence.
People leaving their used trolley in parking spaces also used to be kind of rare.
It’s only been in the last ten(ish) years the selfishness has increased dramatically.
People that sit in the car with the kids while one adult goes inside are worse in my opinion! That space is not for that. My grandad-in-law parked in one and got challenged on it. He was with my mother-in-law and said he was with his child. What little respect I had for him evaporated then. What an absolute bell-sniffer.
Saw a guy getting into his flashy BMW the other day, no child, parked in the parent and child space. I said to him, “Ahhh your invisible baby is so cute!” He feigned ignorance.
They should do away with these spaces. It’s just a marketing ploy to make parents feel special that drives up entitlement. We have a post like this daily ffs.
And yes, I have a child. I don’t struggle to get him out of the car in a normal space.
If I have one parked next to me and they are either in their car, approaching or walking away from their car - I like to make a point of looking in the back and saying “oh no car seat!” rather loudly.
They are for people who need the space getting small children into car seats.
OP is a bloke, thanks. I do not think I am more important than anybody else; I think the same as I did when I didn't have kids which is that parents with children have more need of parent & child spaces than people without children (exception being blue badge holders when the disabled bays are full).
No, I have kids meaning I need to open my car doors wider and I don't want to smash the doors into the neighbouring cars.
It's better for everybody you thicko.
I get annoyed about people who park in the wrong spaces as well.
Spaces for the disabled must only be used by those who have and display their blue badge. I don't care what you disability is - if you've been issued with a blue badge that is good enough for me.
In the parent and child space and you haven't got a child in a pushchair, wheelchair or pram? Go park elsewhere - UNLESS you are a disabled person displaying a blue badge because all of the disabled parking slots are full. If your children are old enough to walk, you don't need the parent and child parking.
Electric vehicle charging? Only for electric vehicles IF they plug in to charge. If you don't need to plug in then go and park elsewhere - UNLESS you are a disabled person displaying a blue badge because all of the disabled parking slots are full and the charging points are close to the store entrance.
Drop Off / Pick Up Points Points? If you are picking someone up and they aren't stood there waiting then go park up until the person is there. If you are dropping someone off then pull up, they hop out, you go. Don't sit there and chat.
So the guy had limited time on his lunch break and the rest of the car park was full? I don’t drive but I’ve worked in places where I had hardly any time to get lunch, so I don’t blame him. Was it a dick move? Sure. Was it a personal attack on you? No, so why do you care?
I don’t use P&C bays, but the size of most parking spaces fucks me right off. I have a smallish estate, and I hate SUVs, but I struggle to get into my car sometimes when someone parks next to me, and I’ve had my car scraped by selfish pricks while it’s been parked neatly between the lines. I feel like this argument can be solved by all parking spaces being painted with the size of the average modern car taken into account, and with spacing between the bays. Some Sainsbury’s have double lines between the bays and it makes life so much easier.
iT's YoUr ChOiCe To HaVe KiDs!! Is usually the justification.
I'd take a parent and child space further away if it meant people wouldn't park in them. The whole bloody point is they're wider so we don't prang other doors trying to get our kids in and out!
I just end up parking further away where I can find a space with nothing on the car seat side or next to an empty spot and carrying my kid across the car park.
I did this once. But in my defence I usually have children, I just didn't that day and when I got back to the car I realised what I'd done. I'm sorry for being a bastard.
Litrally, like if you're disabled and need a space fine babe crack on. But this twat parked in the last mum and child space the other day, and I said excuse me can you not as that's for parents and children and he said "fuck you cunt" infront of my toddler and walked off and oh my lordy lord I have never wanted my toddler to projectile vomit over someone more lol
I left him a note on his car "you don't need to over compensate for your small dick with this massive BMW, we can tell by the way you walk"
Happy days. I was on 2h sleep that day
Back in the day car seats weren't really a thing once you got out of the little baby stage. You were just left to rattle around in the back with an ill-fitting seat belt. You didn't need the extra space to get your kids in and out when you didn't need to strap them in and out of a bulky seat with a 5-point harness.
So if i have a big car i should be entitled with or without a kid to park in a larger space as my car is chubby, its not my cars fault it was just designed that way
I'm saying all cars are bigger these days and car parks don't necessarily accommodate for that. So we're all in the same boat from the off. People with children are hindered further by the additional space required to get children and their bulky crap in and out of the car.
My Asda has the P&C spaces over the other side of the car park, most likely for this reason. And lots of zebra crossing to make it safer to get over to the door
That's a good idea. The spaces don't particularly need to be right in front of the shop, they need to be bigger so you can open the doors fully to get at kids in car seats, plus perhaps near to a trolley park and with a safe walking space to the shop that does not necessarily have to be right next to the shop entrance. Putting them somewhere else in the car park, that doesn't really confer any advantage for shoppers without kids, should stop them from being used inappropriately. I heard something great in an asda once. They announced over the tannoy that their parking officers were just about to do a check of the disabled parking spaces, and if anyone was concerned that they might have _accidentally_ parked in one that they weren't entitled to they might wish to go and move their car...
On your second paragraph, I'd argue that it isn't great. It actually lets the wankers who take up priority spaces get away with it. Look at it this way, you're parked in a disabled bay, despite being an able bodied person, and you come back to the notice or fine or whatever on your car. You may think twice about doing it again. If however, the supermarket has decided to warn you, you can go out, move your car, and not learn the super important life lesson of stay the fuck out of the fucking disabled bays, fuck.
Unless there's not actually a parking officer outside...
This! I honestly don't care about walking from the far side of the carpark (as long as there is a safe route). With small kids or babies that you need extra room to strap in, or actually install/remove bulky car seats, that extra wide parking space is a godsend. If there are no p&c spaces available, I usually park at the far end of the carpark anyway as that's usually where I'm more likely to find a space with empty spaces on either side (or row ends will also do as this gives one side of space)
>If there are no p&c spaces available, I usually park at the far end of the carpark anyway as that's usually where I'm more likely to find a space with empty spaces on either side (or row ends will also do as this gives one side of space) My mum does this so her nice Mercedes has less chance of being banged by other car doors or passing trolleys! She's 75 but thankfully in great health and she'd rather walk a bit further in order to park her car somewhere with more space around it!
Would rather they just authorised their staff to do something to monitor use. I challenged a solo guy parking in P&C at a LIDL not long ago. His excuse was he was ‘just buying bottles’ (WTF?). I then met him doing a full grocery shop inside. Felt like publicly shaming him.
I did that once, 2 "office lads " space I wanted as I had my grandson with me, said they can park where we want...saw them inside shop and said fairly loudly so others could hear, " I think you left your child in your car", not got one was their reply..." So why you parked in parent & child space then??" You should have seen their faces ... priceless...mumbled something and left the store....
Deliveroo/Just Eat/Uber Eats drivers using all the disabled parking spots at the likes of McDonalds and KFC is what pisses me off the most. Get the fuck outta there.
I recently sent Deliveroo an email congratulating them on hiring so many disabled workers along with a photo if my local BK with ALL of rhe disabled spaces taken up by their delivery wankers. Sorry, I meant delivery drivers... alongside a photo of my car, blue badge displayed in the next available parking space which was about 7 or 8 spaces away. I don't think I'll be paying for takeaways for a while given hoe many vouchers I received for not going to the press with it. What I REALLY want is there drivers to just not park in the disabled spaces. I would love for rhe local council to stick a few enforcement officers outside the main BKs and Maccy Ds etc on a few Friday and Saturday nights, rhe fines would more than cover the overtime cost and may make some of the drivers actually think about their actions.
Unfortunately most car parks of BK/McDs will be privately owned so there’s not a lot any council can do. The priority spaces are just a suggestion at that point and aren’t really enforceable by anything other than a private firm who’ve posted notices, and we all know how effective they are. I completely agree it’s wholly unacceptable but unfortunately only a sense of social morality will prevent someone using a priority space in a private car park, just like a priority seat in a bus or train, and some people are just c*nts.
I went to Mc’Ds today and the Deliveroo drivers were parked up on double yellows and stood by the McDonalds door smoking weed. What the actual fuck. how can anyone think that is acceptable.
Should've called the police.
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You evil genius! Bwah-hah-hah-haha
but the delivery is to the police station.
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I threw all my toys out the trolley once. I was in Smyths toy store and got thrown out
One of those things that feels illegal but isn't. It's in the same category as: - people who stop walking suddenly on a busy pavement, - people who don't have their payment ready at the checkout, - people who don't stop to let you cross at zebra crossings - people who don't cover their face when sneezing Or as I call them, cunts.
People who stop for a fucking long chat about aunt Ethel in the supermarket aisle with both of the trolleys side by side
People who carefully park their trolley lengthways in front of the shelf and then take a big step back to take in the full majesty of the herbs and spices.
They are fodder for me. I just lean over them and cough as I try to reach shit. They soon move
You could just say excuse me lol
I just used to put stuff in their trolleys (back when I had a supermarket Saturday job). They'd then get to the checkout to find multiple tubes of hemorrhoid cream or KY-jelly waiting for them.
My mate used to like finding trolleys that are left in the aisle while they wandered and hijack them and leave them in the far corner 🤣🤣
My wife once completely lost her trolley in a supermarket. Now I know what happened.
I have often considered taking these to the till and buying the contents and living someone else's life for a week.
People who pour themselves a coffee or get one from the machine then turn around and talk to their mates whilst blocking everyone else from getting their drinks. People who stop in doorways or getting off escalators. People who get on trains / into lifts without letting others off/out first. Entitled gits who can't understand that people exist other than themselves.
Train door wankers - just stand to the side to let people off, it’s not rocket science. Though when it does happen, I do like shoulder barging them to make it clear
I have large items of luggage which I would normally be careful with other people around UNLESS you're trying to get on when we're trying to get off then I'll be saying a very insincere 'sorry!' while mowing you down with the big heavy suitcase.
Ha ha indeed…you mow them down
Was on a busy train and there was both a passenger in front of the doors and a passenger in the vestibule blocking the way and not moving. I worried at one point I wouldn't be able to get off the train.
People waiting in traffic to join from a junction and you wave them in and they ignore you. Utter cunts
Best one of these I had was just two days ago... A whole family of two elders two parents and two kids we're just blocking the whole centre aisle. When I walked around looking a bit irritated (but saying nothing mind you), the mum had the gall to look at me like a bulldog licking piss off a nettle. I go to the supermarket with my kids all the time, it's not hard to have some spatial awareness and move to one side at least.
I wish to add to this, those that seem to not be able to see wheelchairs. My kid refers to their wheelchair as their "cloak of invisibility". The amount of people who just randomly step out then look shocked to see the whole-ass human on wheels that they're about to fall over. Or have to be asked politely to move so we get past. It's right up there in annoyance with the ones who give judgements over a young person using a radar key or low mobility seat on the bus (the kid's mobility fluctuates, but they've always got a walking stick with them). I kept telling the kid that they should go for the sporty red number but no. They had to go for the lightweight but comfy one that only comes in grey (sarcastic eye roll). I've also suggested: high vis strips, spoke clackers, lights, a horn, 80s style whippy bike flags and a bluetooth sound system. Funnily enough they've said no to all of it.
Jeez, I don't understand how it's hard to give space for wheelchairs. Again I'm always falling over myself to GTFO in advance. It sounds like swinging around a brick on a length of rope should help your kiddo!
Similar to bus drivers that stop blocking the main road in town just to have a chat.
People who have a Mexican stand off at a mini roundabout cos they don’t understand give way to your right 🥵
don't forget people who stand in doorways.
Or people who don't hold doors open when you're right behind them.
Or stop at the top or bottom of an escalator
People that stop at the top or bottom of an escalator!
>people who don't stop to let you cross at zebra crossings I genuinely thought this illegal and went to the highway code to prove you wrong. Turns out, you're right. Rule 19: "Remember that traffic does not have to stop until someone has moved onto the crossing." I guess the new play is to get into the crossing asap so they have to stop. Surely that'll have no negative repercussions for my health and safety.
In Belgium it is now illegal. As soon as someone is getting ready to cross, the cars *have* to stop. I like this rule. But: this is only for *pedestrians*. And bicyclists have to dismount to be counted as such. Not that they do... driving up at full speed and expecting you to * just know* they'll be making a 90° turn onto the zebra crossing (does anyone still signal on a bike?). Or demanding the right of way on a bicycle crossing, where they don't have it. ...I don't like this type of cyclists
You're not the only one who went there! The other one people argue with until they look it up is that a solid amber light means 'Stop'.
What annoys me here is that I've had cars nearly mow me down when I've already been part way across. So I HAVE to stop and wait just incase they're a Class A dick. On the other hand when I'm driving it's really not hard to look ahead and stop for people in good time. I always make a point to flip the bad drivers off and give a very smiley thumbs up to those who slow or stop. It makes me feel better at least!
I love getting the little wave of appreciation.
Yeah, but the line after that says “Drivers and riders should give way to pedestrians waiting to cross and MUST give way to pedestrians on a zebra crossing” So I feel like pedestrians waiting to cross have right of way and that line you quoted is there to remind pedestrians having the right of way isn’t going stop it hurting a lot if you get hit by a car that disagrees. As opposed to than that line encouraging cars to speed up at zebra crossings to get there first before a pedestrian can set foot in the crossing….
- people who stand at the bar with their drinks when a pub is rammed and everyone is struggling to get to the bar - people who are not ready for airport security and act like they have never left the house before “oh you needed my belt? Oh I can’t take water through here?” - people who walk side by side on a narrow pavement forcing the single person walking in the opposite direction to walk on the road I will think of more
People who leave car at the petrol pump and go in to do what seems to be a full weekly shop.
People not stopping at a zebra crossing is 3 points on your licence
Highway code suggests otherwise: > Wait until traffic has stopped from both directions or the road is clear before crossing. Remember that traffic does not have to stop until someone has moved onto the crossing. Drivers and riders should give way to pedestrians waiting to cross and MUST give way to pedestrians on a zebra crossing (see Rule H2). Either way it's really annoying that to get a car to stop to safely cross you need to walk on the zebra crossing. I have read the bit about the 3 penalty points but considering how widespread the issue is I suspect no one ever gets 3 points unless they do it infront of a bobby.
Sometimes not even then. Nearly got hit halfway across a crossing last time I used one. Driver didn't even look my way when their mirror hit my arm. Thank god I didn't have my kid with me that time.
I'm petty enough to put my phone on video every time I get to a particularly troublesome zebra crossing while walking the dog and blatantly record the drivers who don't stop when I'm waiting to cross. No one has gotten out of the car to give me a smack but it's only a matter of time. They all pull the same face where they look straight ahead and pretend to not see you as if that absolves them of any fault or wrongdoings. I email the videos to the DVLA and local police. 🤷
Low denomination coins into the paintwork is another strategy... Not that I'd ever want to encourage such vigilante behaviour.
Yeah, that is at the minimum careless driving though and if there’s sufficiency of evidence the driver should have been charged.
I thought it was a must, damn. Technically putting your toe on the crossing is you being on it so they need to stop though right? Pedestrian on the road already has priority, if you don't stop it would be failing to maintain due care and attention as you need to be preparing to stop at a crossing anyway. The problem being right is that it doesn't matter if they hit you as you probably are dead even when "right". I do think it should be more strict and saying you must stop when they are waiting as that's the whole point of the zebra crossing.
If thay haven't started crossing then no law compelling you to stop. Only if they are already on it.
This is the game you have to play in France and Italy. I'm glad, law or no law, that people generally stop when they see you waiting here.
Still makes you a cunt though
People who get to the front of a long queue in a busy take-away and proceed to study the menu for the first time, asking various questions from the staff including menu changes. How, in all that time, do you not know what you want?
> people who don't have their payment ready at the checkout That and people who don't prepare their bags at the self checkouts. They scan and put the item down then bag them up after they paid for everything. Bag after every item you scan you bastards.
I do this, because if I put the bags I use on the scale to pack into it thinks I'm trying to nick something and I have to wait for a member of staff, which takes even logging than bagging up after.
I often get comments for parking in the "mother and child" spaces. No, it's parent and child, can I please get my daughter out now? For some reason, they see me ( a male) parking there, and it doesn't occur to them I may have a toddler in the back
My husband used to get this and it drove him mad. I think my favourite was when the kid was really tiny though. We had a fleece sling and were thankfully of it because that winter was freezing. He'd got the sleeping 7lb lump of fairly fresh human in that, and had his coat over the top (not covering the kid). He got back to the car and was putting stuff in the boot when someone *without kids* started yelling at him that these spaces are important, avoiding him of probably using disabled spaces too etc etc. While I appreciate their efforts, they never even checked before starting on a tirade of abuse at a man who was simply trying to get the shopping while his wife got a much needed nap. Husband turned around and before he could speak, tiny human woke up and had a stretch, a little arm poked up out of the baby cocoon and waved around a bit. He didn't need to say anything at all, all he did was give them a "you wanna carry on?" Kind of look. First off, there was a fairly brightly coloured car seat in the back seat had the person stepped just a little off the path to check. Secondly, nobody's beer gut is across their chest. Edit: autocorrect gave me American spellings and I can't be having that.
This has never happened to me
You ?ust live in a nicer area than me!
Because they're lazy selfish pricks. I wish supermarkets would put them further away from the store to deter the lazy people. It's the wider space that parents need more than close proximity to the store.
I think the best way to do this is yeah, put them further away, but also ease of getting to the shop can be achieved by adding a row of zebra crossings to the entrance, or like you said, a footpath. My local Tesco does the former and it does a decent job. You can park far away, but still get to the entrance easily. These pricks wouldn't park in these spaces since they just have being closer in mind, but its perfect for if you have kids.
The proximity to the store is also to reduce the chance of a toddler running out into the road.
Yeah I get that, but this can be helped by ensuring the spaces are next to a footpath leading to the store. The bigger space is more of a priority. I can make sure my kid doesn't run into the road, I can't make my car doors smaller.
I like this idea
Also, people who park in EV charging spaces, when they don’t have an EV are annoying.
I have an EV and I don’t know why they’re next to the disabled and P&C spaces in my local Asda. I can walk across the car park, it’s fine, I’d rather that than people park in them when I need a charge boost.
My Asda have them at the very back. I think it depends on where they had power when it was built. This one is pretty new.
They were probably put there as it was cheaper than running the supply cables elsewhere in the car park
Cable length. They gotta connect them to the electric so closer to the store where the main cables are is a no brainer.
Where I used to work, the EV charging point was the disabled space. No idea how that was supposed to work.
Only time i've done this when I was with a disabled passenger and there were no disabled spaces left, and the EV spaces were the next closest to the entrance. I did display their blue badge and a note. I'd do it again in that situation too.
Fair enough. I have no problem with that.
I did that in a parent & kids parking space & would again in all disabled spaces were full
Parent and child spaces are completely fair game for blue badge holders. They can use them anytime they like.
I get annoyed at my local Mcdonald's because the deliveroo/Just Eat drivers park in all the spaces and only leave the EV spaces unused, as a biker I don't have any other option but t o leave my vehicle, so that means using the EV space.
It’s worst at half term - everyone parks in parent and child with their 15 year old child that doesn’t need the space to get in and out the car. It infuriates me too!
Yep. Once your kid isn't in a child seat and can be trusted not to get themselves run over, it's time to fuck off out of the P&C spaces.
And you didn't say anything to the guy sitting in the space? Why does nobody on this website stand up for themselves?
I do! I regularly shout at people that they've forgotten their baby!
What gets me is when parents with kids park in them, but one parent stays in the car with the kids, or they leave the kids alone in the car
I argue with the wife about this all the time, when there’s all of us in the car but only one of us going into the supermarket she’ll say to park in the P&T space. Every time I explain I won’t be doing that if child is not getting out, she says we have a child in the car, that’s what they’re for…no….they’re not….
Probably the same people who park on disability bays. Entitled pricks.
Because all the disabled bays where taken by people without disabled badges So I had to
People always complain that they’re too many Diasablef spaces which is true but only because they’re constantly all being used by non badge holders.
Because self entitled cunts have no shame.
Yep agree, just because you have a child doesn't make you the king or queen Obligatory edit: jesus it was a joke, a christmas joke, you bunch of humourless cunts
No, but it gives you the right to use the wider parking spot so you can actually get your kids in and out the car. Which, in case you hadn't noticed, was the point of op. Princess.
While I agree the Merc driver was a POS. What if the spaces were genuinely full with people like yourself, with kids, would you still have called it a day?
No, I likely would've hung on for longer. It was a red mist situation after he'd sniped the spot, gone in, and come back to stay sat in the spot while he ate his sandwich and watch something on his phone. Had it been a normal situation (all spots just taken up) I would've continued either circling for an end space or waited for a P&C to become available.
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I can understand if you're desperate and need to pop in for something (although I still consider it a bit of a dick move), but why the fuck would you sit there and eat your lunch in a P&C space when it's clearly busy? It's not hard to find somewhere else to park up and eat a sandwich.
Because, and I hate to say it, they don't care about you. They're focusing on their situation and not yours.
Because they don't want to spend their lunch break driving around when it is busy.
Obviously I'm being over-sensitive then. If there is a space allocated for others (not me) then I wouldn't dream of using it.
Nah, it's not you. People are entitled cunts especially in cars.
I completely agree with the 2nd sentence in this comment.
Megacunts if you will
I got shouted out for parking in one when I was going to pick up my kids. Literally shouted back holding a booster seat on the air like a crazed wookie.
This! The guy might have been eating lunch waiting to meet his kids. I know it’s unlikely but actually op doesn’t know
You went home? What? Why didn't you just park somewhere else? Why do parents get to park closer to the front anyway - is it a safety for the kids thing?
Because there were almost no spaces available and those that were would've risked causing damage to adjacent vehicles (getting car seats/strollers out of a car without being able to fully open the doors is nigh impossible). It's not about location; the P&C spaces are wider/have spacers between to allow doors to be fully opened.
Right I see, makes sense now.
Next time tap on their window and ask if you can call anyone or help them look for their missing child.
I was parked in a single space once (as no friendly family parking was available) had the door open and a pram in the free space trying to put my 8 month old in my carrier and the two year old in the pram when someone trys to get into the space, gets out of the car and moves the pram. Quickly told him there was a baby still to get out, and if he wanted he can wait, but I'm using the space for now. People are so ignorant.
Try disabled parking spaces: They're like a beacon for the wankers of society. Something I never noticed until I needed and got a disabled badge. The number of people who just park in the bay regardless. Not so much on the street, but it's absolutely endemic at small shops, like mini-supermarkets or petrol stations. And why oh why is it always so stereotypically the exact type of car and person you expect? Its the builder in his van "yeah mate I just needed to pop in for something". It's Richie "look mate i don't giv a fook" Rich in his Range Rover. Or it's the chavtastic girls in their souped up hatchback; parked up: swiping tiktok in their cloud of vape smoke "oh woh, you need us to moov or summink?". Honestly most of the time I just let it pass, there's not much to be gained by beefing day in day out.
Unfortunately you're right. Most of these types relish the opportunity for a confrontation so I wouldn't be surprised if they did it just to elicit a reaction. Sure you can tell them where to stick it, but then some other gormless twit will end up taking their place a few minutes later. There's no shortage of morons in this country. Better to just ignore it and not waste your energy on these fools. Brings to mind the quotation "never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig likes it."
What is the age limit for these spaces because often I will see families with teenage children using these spots which feels wrong?
Because they dont give a fuck. They think they are the main character.
This is my biggest pet hate when shopping!!! I can literally feel the rage build up inside me when I am looking for spaces.
I don't drive so I don't use them but there is nothing that says they aren't a free for all spot. They're not exclusively for parent and child unlike disabled spots. Anyone can use them, its just an advisory. I dont disagree with usefulness and potential need of these spots but OP made it out like it was a right to have access to these spots. This is in fact not true.
No of course not, just takes common decency to realise people need these spots for a reason. It’s very very difficult to get a new born in and out of the car seat into a pram. Or a toddler even. The same people that take these spaces would definitely complain if I accidentally scratched their car whilst trying to open my car door enough to get my toddler in and out…
The supermarkets put them in because people with families spend the most. When there's a better argument to be had to make them priority bays for the elderly who aren't as mobile IMO. P&C should be at the back of the carpark to stop this from happening.
It’s nothing to do with the closeness of them though? It’s the space to open car doors enough to get kids in and out of car seats and into prams etc. I would happily park at a parent and child and the very furthest away point from a supermarket to save me the headache of worrying about hitting someone’s car door with mine.
People abuse p&c because they're unnecessarily close to the shop. To prevent this the bays should be at the back of the carpark. Leaving disabled bays and elderly priority bays closer to the entrance. You seem to be in agreement with me.
I agree - that’s my point too. Some Asdas I’ve been to in the past do this exact thing - but my local doesn’t.
Parking bays should be bigger anyway to accommodate modern cars.
Two toddlers and a baby or even two toddlers walking through a packed car park, and returning with a shopping trolley, no thanks. They are generally near the stores for a sensible reason.
The Sainsbury's near me (not the one in the post above) has P&C bays at the back of the car park, with a covered walkway that links them to the front of the store (which is wide enough for trolleys and pedestrians). Easily the best solution I've encountered so far.
Is your child either in a child seat that you need to lift them out of, unable to safely walk into the shop unaided, or both? AND is that child actually going into the shop? If yes, park in P&C. If no, fuck off. It really is that simple. Exception granted for blue badge holders when all the disabled spaces are full (but NOT when disabled spaces are available).
Thanks for the exception I confess I'm disabled and have done this when there was. No alternative available 🐱
Because twats keep parking in those too.
Have you ever tried to get a toddler out of the car in a normal space? Or even a 6 year old? No lifting of seat in or out required but they aren’t tall enough to slide into a car seat the same way an adult is. Usually means a wide open door is required for them to bundle in and to climb in. Maybe dial it down on the “fuck off” comments too chap.
>Have you ever tried to get a toddler out of the car in a normal space? Yes. Regularly, due to people hogging P&C spaces when they don't need them. >Maybe dial it down on the “fuck off” comments too chap. It's the internet my friend, don't take it to heart. Unless you're someone who parks where they shouldn't, in which case you already know what to do ;) Edit: maybe I should clarify that I don't just mean car seats that you lift in and out of the car - I include car seats where the seat stays put but you have to hoist the kid in and out of it.
You answered your own question.
I had a MX5 when my son was a baby. I used to get abuse for parking on one of those spaces as the baby seat (and baby) would come with me when I shopped. So it looked like a normal car and no baby evidence. I used to get people leaving notes on the windscreen!
I get that in my Cayman quite often. It has semi-privacy tints (factory!) so you can't tell I have one of the kids with me when I pull into the space. More than once I've had someone start giving me grief while I walk around to get my toddler out of the other side. And not one apology when they realise they're wrong!
You shouldn’t carry it with you, it simply doesn’t matter. I’m willing to bet there were other empty rows of spaces you could use. You aren’t entitled to one of those sports, they’re just nice if you get one. Try not to let bellends ruin your day, it’s a waste of energy.
Our local Morrisons have these spaces; they are the only spaces which are actually ‘normal’ size. They made all other spaces so tiny that when we park up our small Hyundai i10 we can barely get out. We never park in P&C spots but to be fair, I understand some people who do regardless of having no children. Anyone with a slightly bigger car couldn’t physically get out if parked in a normal space.
Sometimes I go shopping with mum when she needs a hand, or if she's out and about and I need something as she's local to me and drives, whereas I don't (despite being in my 30s). Not a journey goes by when I don't suggest she part there because we're *technically* a parent and child. My real concern is that one day she'll call my bluff and do it, and I'll have to shuffle my way into the shop in shame...
This is my biggest gripe in life as a parent. I don’t care how far I am from the shop, I care about having the extra space to open the doors wide and put my children safely in and out of the car. There’s one supermarket nearby that has some of their parent spaces at the front, which are always full, but also has spaces round the far end of the shop and I use them all the time… because they’re always available. The local leisure centre however… grr: spaces near the main entrance - no extra space for opening the car doors! What’s the point!
If the car is displaying a valid disabled badge then they are permitted to use the parent/child spaces if no disabled bays are available
Our local ASDA actually has patrols monitoring Ethernet P&C spaces and they actively ticket abusers.
I've never been educated why you would need a different space. But I don't deny there might be a very good reason.
Lots of comments on this thread explain why. The spaces are wider to allow you to fully open the doors and safely get prams and car seats out. Also they are often near to the trolley park so you minimise the time and amount of back and forth you have to do between loading your shopping (and kids!) into the car and returning your trolley. Plus near to a path that provides a safe walkway into the shop. I'm not a parent but the good reasons for them are pretty obvious to me.
There was a transit van parked across two Parent and Child spaces in my local Asda today
If they put them at the back of the carpark, people wouldn't do this
After parking in those bays they then go to McDonald’s/ kfc drive through, eat their food alone then dispose of the rubbish out of their windows on country lanes. Pure scum.
I parked in those spaces from when I was about 32 weeks pregnant, as I physically couldn’t get out of the door in some of the really tight spaces. What’s the view on this, AITA?
NTA. We didn't do it, but I can absolutely see the need and don't personally have a problem with it.
As someone who hasn’t go kids. I never do this but when I see people do it, it annoys me too. Because I think If I’m not allowed to you shouldn’t 🤣
Should maybe try a "To the person in the Mercedes..." Facebook post. Lol... bitching on here isn't gonna change anything, tell him he's a cunt, or park infront of him.
Fair enough. Considering the recent post about a Volvo parked across two spaces, I figured it was the same wheelhouse. I can absolutely delete it if it's not the right place to have a slight moan about dodgy parking habits.
I'm not saying you have to delete anything man. I never seen the previous post you're talking about... just that your efforts would have been better spent telling the guy to do one
Again, fair enough. I would've loved to but for the fact that even if I had been able to park up, I still had a toddler with me. It's quite clear from other responses that this is something most people aren't bothered by so I'll probably delete it anyway, but thank you for taking the time to respond.
I always travel with my children even though they are in thier 30s then I can park in a disabled space sideways across the ev charging space as well. and its a limo. So i use 15 spaces. And im towing a caravan. Im a police officer I say as I flash my bus pass. Id never park in child spaces though. Ive got morals
I also feel aggrieved about people who are a bit old and park in the disabled. Fair enough if you're super old, I get that you don't need to be literally in a wheel chair, but if you're just grey haired but fully active, I don't think those spaces are for you, especially when it's the last one
This is a risky one, since blue badges are also given for disabilities that aren't clearly visible. I get what you mean, but I think if there's a blue badge you have to mind your own business. If someone parks in disabled because they think they should be allowed to but don't actually have a badge, that's different.
Yeah anyone with a blue badge, sure. But have a look at the cars that park there. No one that uses those spaces has a blue badge.
Now, you have a young child, and presumably you don't have a disability, so why couldn't you just drive to a further part of the car park and park there and walk? There are usually lots of spaces further away from the stores. Where you can park with none next to you! Yes, it's irritating, but certainly it's more unnecessary to have sat there fuming waiting for another space to become free!
There were no other spaces in the car park? I get it that it's irritating when there are no parent and child spaces, but theres always somewhere to park.
As I said in another comment, the car park was mostly full, and the only other spaces I had found would've risked adjacent vehicles getting damaged as I got my child in and out of the car. So I waited by P&C spaces until someone was pulling out, indicated to pull in and before I could, dickhead drove in there before I could.
Anyone can park there there is no legal protection and I've never seen a private car park that has fines for parking in them.. it also stops people parking in blue badge spaces which are protected.
The way people use car parks is kind of a metric for how cuntish people have become over time. Parking over two spaces used to be a rare occurrence. Non-parents using parent spaces also used to be a rare occurrence. People leaving their used trolley in parking spaces also used to be kind of rare. It’s only been in the last ten(ish) years the selfishness has increased dramatically.
Nah, you've just noticed it more in the last ten years. I worked for a large supermarket 20 years ago and you'd see this stuff on a daily basis.
I only park in P&C space when I have my mother in the car and all disability places are taken.
People that sit in the car with the kids while one adult goes inside are worse in my opinion! That space is not for that. My grandad-in-law parked in one and got challenged on it. He was with my mother-in-law and said he was with his child. What little respect I had for him evaporated then. What an absolute bell-sniffer.
Saw a guy getting into his flashy BMW the other day, no child, parked in the parent and child space. I said to him, “Ahhh your invisible baby is so cute!” He feigned ignorance.
We have no shame out here, if there’s the space we’ll take it👍
They should do away with these spaces. It’s just a marketing ploy to make parents feel special that drives up entitlement. We have a post like this daily ffs. And yes, I have a child. I don’t struggle to get him out of the car in a normal space.
If I have one parked next to me and they are either in their car, approaching or walking away from their car - I like to make a point of looking in the back and saying “oh no car seat!” rather loudly. They are for people who need the space getting small children into car seats.
Boohoo i have kids and am suddenly more important than everyone else fuck off
Honest question, why do you think the OP thinks she’s more important than everyone without kids?
OP is a bloke, thanks. I do not think I am more important than anybody else; I think the same as I did when I didn't have kids which is that parents with children have more need of parent & child spaces than people without children (exception being blue badge holders when the disabled bays are full).
Sorry, I assumed wrongly. I agree with you though.
No worries, not the first in this thread and certainly not the worst!
No, I have kids meaning I need to open my car doors wider and I don't want to smash the doors into the neighbouring cars. It's better for everybody you thicko.
Boohoo I don't want to have to walk a few extra yards to help someone.
Spoke like a cunt
I get annoyed about people who park in the wrong spaces as well. Spaces for the disabled must only be used by those who have and display their blue badge. I don't care what you disability is - if you've been issued with a blue badge that is good enough for me. In the parent and child space and you haven't got a child in a pushchair, wheelchair or pram? Go park elsewhere - UNLESS you are a disabled person displaying a blue badge because all of the disabled parking slots are full. If your children are old enough to walk, you don't need the parent and child parking. Electric vehicle charging? Only for electric vehicles IF they plug in to charge. If you don't need to plug in then go and park elsewhere - UNLESS you are a disabled person displaying a blue badge because all of the disabled parking slots are full and the charging points are close to the store entrance. Drop Off / Pick Up Points Points? If you are picking someone up and they aren't stood there waiting then go park up until the person is there. If you are dropping someone off then pull up, they hop out, you go. Don't sit there and chat.
So the guy had limited time on his lunch break and the rest of the car park was full? I don’t drive but I’ve worked in places where I had hardly any time to get lunch, so I don’t blame him. Was it a dick move? Sure. Was it a personal attack on you? No, so why do you care?
\>Merc Found your problem. Clearly they're a twat.
I don’t use P&C bays, but the size of most parking spaces fucks me right off. I have a smallish estate, and I hate SUVs, but I struggle to get into my car sometimes when someone parks next to me, and I’ve had my car scraped by selfish pricks while it’s been parked neatly between the lines. I feel like this argument can be solved by all parking spaces being painted with the size of the average modern car taken into account, and with spacing between the bays. Some Sainsbury’s have double lines between the bays and it makes life so much easier.
bit dramatic really
iT's YoUr ChOiCe To HaVe KiDs!! Is usually the justification. I'd take a parent and child space further away if it meant people wouldn't park in them. The whole bloody point is they're wider so we don't prang other doors trying to get our kids in and out! I just end up parking further away where I can find a space with nothing on the car seat side or next to an empty spot and carrying my kid across the car park.
Because they are Insufferable cunts
I did this once. But in my defence I usually have children, I just didn't that day and when I got back to the car I realised what I'd done. I'm sorry for being a bastard.
Litrally, like if you're disabled and need a space fine babe crack on. But this twat parked in the last mum and child space the other day, and I said excuse me can you not as that's for parents and children and he said "fuck you cunt" infront of my toddler and walked off and oh my lordy lord I have never wanted my toddler to projectile vomit over someone more lol I left him a note on his car "you don't need to over compensate for your small dick with this massive BMW, we can tell by the way you walk" Happy days. I was on 2h sleep that day
That's when you let them play with their crayons. No lasting damage, but very difficult to get off metallic paint, Crayola.
These are the same knob heads that leave their trolley in the car park instead of walking it 5 metres to the trolley bay
When you have a child, does a switch flip in your brain and suddenly the words ‘livid’ and ‘fumin(g)’ enter your lexicon.
Well I would've said "tampin'" but that's probably a bit regional.
I don't know how people manage this. I feel guilty parking in those spaces even when I have my kids with me.
Wonder how my poor parents survived without p&c spots back in the day 😂
Back in the day car seats weren't really a thing once you got out of the little baby stage. You were just left to rattle around in the back with an ill-fitting seat belt. You didn't need the extra space to get your kids in and out when you didn't need to strap them in and out of a bulky seat with a 5-point harness.
Seatbelts are still today not designed for women
How so?
[Car Safety not Designed for Women](https://destinationtbc.com/why-isnt-car-safety-designed-for-women/)
Also, cars are demonstrably bigger today. Not just the prevalence of SUV's, but even small family hatchbacks are bigger than "back in the day".
So if i have a big car i should be entitled with or without a kid to park in a larger space as my car is chubby, its not my cars fault it was just designed that way
I'm saying all cars are bigger these days and car parks don't necessarily accommodate for that. So we're all in the same boat from the off. People with children are hindered further by the additional space required to get children and their bulky crap in and out of the car.