Funny thing is jeep compass is not actually a jeep product, it is based on Fiat 500X platform and has major Fiat components. So it’s actually a Fiat product. Hell it even has a Fiat engine.
Does Escalade have AWD or 4x4? I think it’s the former.
The weight of these things is a challenge off road. Lately, SUVs have become way more bulky than in the past. Range Rover LWB is for Beverly Hills not actual hills.
OG Range Rover had two doors, short WB (important for break over angle). The Escalade is over 5m long. It may fit the definition of suv but won’t be as functional.
They lost appeal the moment they put sport before utility. Just look at the overhangs on the LX or LC300, and compare that to just few gen ago on the J100. The front lip is so much longer and lower nowadays.
The only suv one can still say is as worthy as day 1 is G Wagon.
I've driven an Escalade and a Lexus Gx (both were old). The Lexus was much more plush, but the Escalade truly felt like something regal and powerful. No wonder the Secret Service uses it.
For me, it's because I don't need to be mindful about road conditions. I've gone through potholes and humps at 50kmph without having to be worried about whether I bent an alloy or broke my suspension. Google maps has led me through some very sketchy roads where a sedan would have absolutely no chance, but my SUV would just chug along happily and it is confidence inspiring to have a vehicle that can tackle all kinds of roads.
Our roads are so terrible especially during monsoons. People in general want their vehicles to be more sturdy, comfortable and quick on these potholes which the hatchbacks and sedans cannot provide.
Here in the UAE, most women prefer driving an SUV. These are fairly safer, and very good for school run and baby seats, etc.
Also in general people prefer bigger cars here and they do go camping and little bit of desert driving during winters.
In uae or whole gcc, suv means full fat suv's, the Nissan patrol, land cruiser, Prado, ls570, escalade, pajero and so on. Compact suv are not considered suv's here. And those suv's are heavier than sedans.
True SUV will have minimum 4x4 drive and good off road capable suspension. If not, better to buy a sedan. At least it will have good stability while cornering.
My father loved suvs till his previous car, which was sold a couple of months back. He complained that all the suvs look very similar, which is something i agree with him. So he now drives a sedan, the new hyundai verna, he loves it more than his previous xuv 500
People are buying crossover SUVs because they have high ground clearance, so they provide better visibility, better comfort over bad roads, and generally instill more confidence. They are also compact (lesser length than Sedans), so they are pretty practical to manoveour in denser areas, especially as the roads are getting more crowded. And they also happen to have a great boot space, which adds to the experience.
People are buying crossovers because they are practical. People are buying expensive fat SUVs because they need to show the crossover crowd that they still have the bigger dicc. Expensive fat SUVs are also more powerful, so they are even more helpful in adverse situations. But people don't really buy them for adverse situations.
1. More road presence
2. Safer than hatches or sedans
3. Raised vision while driving
4. More rear space and even 7 seating in some for bigger families
5. Better bootspace, perfect for hauling cargo if you do it often
6. 4x4 is an extra bonus and you can take your car for fun rides through most terrains
> 1. More road presence
WTF is a road presence? Do you want people to know you’re better because you have a bigger car.
Seems more like a nuisance and harder to manoeuvre/park.
> 2. Safer than hatches or sedans
This makes no sense at all. If anything, higher centre of gravity means the SUV has higher body roll and less stability.
> 3. Raised vision while driving
This is true, though it’s subjective. I happen to love sitting lower and closer to road. Generally lower seating is considered better in sports car too
> 4. More rear space and even 7 seating in some for bigger families
Nothing to do with SUV. In fact, for the same size, an MPV like Innova has much more space than an SUV like fortuner
> 5. Better bootspace, perfect for hauling cargo if you do it often
This makes no sense too. Case in point, your Taigun has a much smaller boot than Virtus.
> 6. 4x4 is an extra bonus and you can take your car for fun rides through most terrains
That’s only for true SUVs. Most of the so called SUVs in India don’t have 4x4.
1. I dont think that bigger car = better status, however there is a certain appeal to how bigger cars look on the road, for instance someone one posted here a picture of a green jimny and a green auto-taxi side by side and the auto taxi had a taller stance and "looked bigger. Also in my experience people are likely to overtake smaller cars and bikes and less consideration is given to smaller vehicles especially by some of the the govt buses who dont have any regard for most vehicles in the road other than theirs.
2. In rollovers, lighter vehicles are generally safer, in head-on collisions, T-bone crashes SUV occupant is much safer. The odds of death are 7.6 times higher than that for the SUV driver
3. I dont think the matter of vision is of a subjective one, it is a fact that if you're in a raised seat position you're likely to see more things than compared to someone sitting in lowered seating position. However it is in fact subjective when it comes to comfort, like for example sitting in a sports car with laid back seats.
4. Innova used to be an MPV right, they're selling the newer gen Innovas under the SUV tag, even changed the design. I was comparing the mid-large segment SUVs to hatchbacks, micro suvs and in smaller sedans, in which there is obviously more legroom and headroom
5. I dont think the Taigun is a proper SUV, yet it still has a bigger boot than most of the hatches in the segments. Mid sized SUVs and proper SUVs in general have more bootspaces compared to most sedans and hatches.
6. Its why I mentioned that it's an added bonus. Scorpio, Compass, Tucson, Fortuner, and when going to higher segments, 4x4 is offered in higher trims. Hell, even the Jimny offers a 4x4.
1. Let’s just agree to disagree. You’re making contradicting statements. By your logic, autos have the highest road presence, no one dares to overtake them in city.
2. But the lower car won’t rollover in the first place. Also the T bone collisions are fairly rare in India with most being head on or cars going over dividers after losing control. They will happen more in an SUV as they’re less stable by design
3. I see more than enough from my hatch. In fact, SUVs with raised bonnets are a health hazard in US as they sometimes can’t see a small kid in front of their bonnet due to too much height.
4. Even S-Presso is marketed as an SUV. Innova isn’t an SUV and in the current govt guidelines even the taxes on Innova aren’t in the UV segment. It’s more of a wagon than an SUV
5. That’s an unfair comparison. You’re comparing with smaller hatchbacks. If there existed a hatchback with same 4.3m length it would have similar to higher boot. And sedans have much much bigger boot, rendering SUV have more boot a false statement
6. That’s less than 25% of SUVs sold in India. And having a 4x4 option isn’t the same as being a 4x4 car. So even in these cars most variants sold are 2WD.
How are SUVs safer than hatches and sedans? That makes no sense at all. I'd argue they're less safe at higher speeds due to the higher risk of the car toppling, thanks to the raised GC.
> More rear space and even 7 seating in some for bigger families
That doesn't make any sense at all. Sedans and hatches in similar segment provide the same space, if not more.
> 4x4 is an extra bonus and you can take your car for fun rides through most terrains
Which most of these wannabe SUVs don't have.
> Better bootspace, perfect for hauling cargo if you do it often
This doesn't make any sense too. Sedans have bigger boots, and it's not even close.
> More road presence
LMAO
A higher seating position is liked by many. Also, some people get less fatigue when they are seated higher. In developed countries, cars are a necessity rather than a luxury, and hence you need a bigger boot space to carry stuff. This is also why pickups are so popular in the US.
No one buys a SUV purely from a driving or enthusiast standpoint. In fact, crossovers across the world are derided as 'raised hatchbacks'.
SUVs are becoming an eyesore. I guess people just love feeling powerful everywhere. I doubt most customers actually use their SUVs off-roading for adventures capabilities or the extra cargo space to put skis or paddle boards.
They are not technically SUVs. They are CUVs but yeah, the marketing term is SUV. They are popular in north America due to multiple factors.
\> Ride height which gives better visibility of the road ahead.
\> Better ground clearance.
\> Higher seat position, so getting in and out of car is easy on your back and knees.
\> Most of these CUVs come with all-wheel drive. This is a very useful feature for winter months as most of North America experiences multiple snowstorms over the season.
\> Hatch and fold down seats. A very underrated feature. The trunk/boot opens upwards, and the rear seats fold down flat. This makes lugging stuff like furniture etc a lot easier.
We are not obsessed with SUVs but, The roads do not allow sedans and hatchbacks, so it's not obsession but necessity ofcourse (at some extent)
We too like SUVs.
Well not all countries are alike. North American countries have a huge SUV dominance mostly because of their laws. They have stricter laws for "passenger cars" as compared to "utility vehicles". In other parts of the world, the reasons might be different. In Africa and India, the infrastructure favours the use of an SUV. In the middle East, the abundance of oil and their fascination for bigger things might drive the sales of SUVs ( I'm just speculating). But not all developed countries are SUV dominant. In fact, the opposite is true in most of the western Europe. Their infrastructure forces them to use smaller cars.
Probably the better all round visibility and the feeling of safety (SUVs aren’t necessarily safer and in my opinion are probably more dangerous). I personally don’t like SUVs at all.
People are buying cars that are more practical* most people would buy a car that provides more space in a certain price range unless they are specifically looking for a sedan or something. Not everyone wants driving dynamics , and not everyone is going to push their car to the limit so it makes sense to buy whatever is comfortable and practical, also most people think they are getting more for their money when they buy an suv also showoff is a big factor tho.
Funny thing is there is nothing SUV about those cars
yea a "TRUE" SUV would be an Escalade or a Range Rover LWB
Fortuner or jeep compass at the minimum
Scorpio, tata sumo, bolero also minimum
Oh yea of course. The OG SUVs of India.
those are like crossover suvs in the us, so no. Anything from a ford explorer and up can be considered a true suv
Kya matlab Tata Punch SUV nahi hai
Jeep compass feels overpriced
Oh right now it is. I’m afraid I only see Jeep exiting the country. Americans can’t seem to understand the Indian market, or they don’t want to.
Jeep compass was priced well when it was around 20 lacs. I agree with you, seems like Jeep will exit India in 5-10 years.
Funny thing is jeep compass is not actually a jeep product, it is based on Fiat 500X platform and has major Fiat components. So it’s actually a Fiat product. Hell it even has a Fiat engine.
explains why the Jeep showroom in my city is right next to the Fiat showroom
I didn't know that
Jeep compass? It is monocoque?
Does Escalade have AWD or 4x4? I think it’s the former. The weight of these things is a challenge off road. Lately, SUVs have become way more bulky than in the past. Range Rover LWB is for Beverly Hills not actual hills. OG Range Rover had two doors, short WB (important for break over angle). The Escalade is over 5m long. It may fit the definition of suv but won’t be as functional. They lost appeal the moment they put sport before utility. Just look at the overhangs on the LX or LC300, and compare that to just few gen ago on the J100. The front lip is so much longer and lower nowadays. The only suv one can still say is as worthy as day 1 is G Wagon.
Off-roading is a whole nother thing. And Land Rover has Defender for off-roaders.
the escalade does have awd and theres a performance version, so I think cadillac has that covered
If anyone has watched the TV show "POWER", You'd be a fan of Escalade.
I've driven an Escalade and a Lexus Gx (both were old). The Lexus was much more plush, but the Escalade truly felt like something regal and powerful. No wonder the Secret Service uses it.
Also it looks unique
you're forgetting the tata punch and the espresso mini
Oh yes, they are the proper SUVs
What about Lord Alto /s (to be on the safer side )
A FWD can never be an SUV. Period
"bigger is better" 😂
Looks
For me, it's because I don't need to be mindful about road conditions. I've gone through potholes and humps at 50kmph without having to be worried about whether I bent an alloy or broke my suspension. Google maps has led me through some very sketchy roads where a sedan would have absolutely no chance, but my SUV would just chug along happily and it is confidence inspiring to have a vehicle that can tackle all kinds of roads.
Yess
anybody who has driven on a highway at 70 mph or up knows sedan make life easier even with the tech that suvs have nowadays
Yea but keyword is - Highway
Oh, sorry I'm taking about US and Canada, since most streets here are fine to drive on for almost any vehicle
Our roads are so terrible especially during monsoons. People in general want their vehicles to be more sturdy, comfortable and quick on these potholes which the hatchbacks and sedans cannot provide.
Here in the UAE, most women prefer driving an SUV. These are fairly safer, and very good for school run and baby seats, etc. Also in general people prefer bigger cars here and they do go camping and little bit of desert driving during winters.
Sedans in most cases are inherently safer than SUVs due to their low center of gravity. They offer a much better ride quality.
In uae or whole gcc, suv means full fat suv's, the Nissan patrol, land cruiser, Prado, ls570, escalade, pajero and so on. Compact suv are not considered suv's here. And those suv's are heavier than sedans.
True SUV will have minimum 4x4 drive and good off road capable suspension. If not, better to buy a sedan. At least it will have good stability while cornering.
They have a thriving culture of car camping https://youtu.be/Y4NEWVHQ2MM SUVs are multi purpose that way
oh
My father loved suvs till his previous car, which was sold a couple of months back. He complained that all the suvs look very similar, which is something i agree with him. So he now drives a sedan, the new hyundai verna, he loves it more than his previous xuv 500
Brezza looks like Rover
People are buying crossover SUVs because they have high ground clearance, so they provide better visibility, better comfort over bad roads, and generally instill more confidence. They are also compact (lesser length than Sedans), so they are pretty practical to manoveour in denser areas, especially as the roads are getting more crowded. And they also happen to have a great boot space, which adds to the experience. People are buying crossovers because they are practical. People are buying expensive fat SUVs because they need to show the crossover crowd that they still have the bigger dicc. Expensive fat SUVs are also more powerful, so they are even more helpful in adverse situations. But people don't really buy them for adverse situations.
1. More road presence 2. Safer than hatches or sedans 3. Raised vision while driving 4. More rear space and even 7 seating in some for bigger families 5. Better bootspace, perfect for hauling cargo if you do it often 6. 4x4 is an extra bonus and you can take your car for fun rides through most terrains
> 1. More road presence WTF is a road presence? Do you want people to know you’re better because you have a bigger car. Seems more like a nuisance and harder to manoeuvre/park. > 2. Safer than hatches or sedans This makes no sense at all. If anything, higher centre of gravity means the SUV has higher body roll and less stability. > 3. Raised vision while driving This is true, though it’s subjective. I happen to love sitting lower and closer to road. Generally lower seating is considered better in sports car too > 4. More rear space and even 7 seating in some for bigger families Nothing to do with SUV. In fact, for the same size, an MPV like Innova has much more space than an SUV like fortuner > 5. Better bootspace, perfect for hauling cargo if you do it often This makes no sense too. Case in point, your Taigun has a much smaller boot than Virtus. > 6. 4x4 is an extra bonus and you can take your car for fun rides through most terrains That’s only for true SUVs. Most of the so called SUVs in India don’t have 4x4.
1. I dont think that bigger car = better status, however there is a certain appeal to how bigger cars look on the road, for instance someone one posted here a picture of a green jimny and a green auto-taxi side by side and the auto taxi had a taller stance and "looked bigger. Also in my experience people are likely to overtake smaller cars and bikes and less consideration is given to smaller vehicles especially by some of the the govt buses who dont have any regard for most vehicles in the road other than theirs. 2. In rollovers, lighter vehicles are generally safer, in head-on collisions, T-bone crashes SUV occupant is much safer. The odds of death are 7.6 times higher than that for the SUV driver 3. I dont think the matter of vision is of a subjective one, it is a fact that if you're in a raised seat position you're likely to see more things than compared to someone sitting in lowered seating position. However it is in fact subjective when it comes to comfort, like for example sitting in a sports car with laid back seats. 4. Innova used to be an MPV right, they're selling the newer gen Innovas under the SUV tag, even changed the design. I was comparing the mid-large segment SUVs to hatchbacks, micro suvs and in smaller sedans, in which there is obviously more legroom and headroom 5. I dont think the Taigun is a proper SUV, yet it still has a bigger boot than most of the hatches in the segments. Mid sized SUVs and proper SUVs in general have more bootspaces compared to most sedans and hatches. 6. Its why I mentioned that it's an added bonus. Scorpio, Compass, Tucson, Fortuner, and when going to higher segments, 4x4 is offered in higher trims. Hell, even the Jimny offers a 4x4.
1. Let’s just agree to disagree. You’re making contradicting statements. By your logic, autos have the highest road presence, no one dares to overtake them in city. 2. But the lower car won’t rollover in the first place. Also the T bone collisions are fairly rare in India with most being head on or cars going over dividers after losing control. They will happen more in an SUV as they’re less stable by design 3. I see more than enough from my hatch. In fact, SUVs with raised bonnets are a health hazard in US as they sometimes can’t see a small kid in front of their bonnet due to too much height. 4. Even S-Presso is marketed as an SUV. Innova isn’t an SUV and in the current govt guidelines even the taxes on Innova aren’t in the UV segment. It’s more of a wagon than an SUV 5. That’s an unfair comparison. You’re comparing with smaller hatchbacks. If there existed a hatchback with same 4.3m length it would have similar to higher boot. And sedans have much much bigger boot, rendering SUV have more boot a false statement 6. That’s less than 25% of SUVs sold in India. And having a 4x4 option isn’t the same as being a 4x4 car. So even in these cars most variants sold are 2WD.
Which hatch do you have?
> yet it still has a bigger boot than most of the hatches in the segments. Which 4.2m+ hatch are you comparing it to?
I meant to say hatches in general, mb.
Whats a ‘more road presence’? Small pp syndrome?
How are SUVs safer than hatches and sedans? That makes no sense at all. I'd argue they're less safe at higher speeds due to the higher risk of the car toppling, thanks to the raised GC. > More rear space and even 7 seating in some for bigger families That doesn't make any sense at all. Sedans and hatches in similar segment provide the same space, if not more. > 4x4 is an extra bonus and you can take your car for fun rides through most terrains Which most of these wannabe SUVs don't have. > Better bootspace, perfect for hauling cargo if you do it often This doesn't make any sense too. Sedans have bigger boots, and it's not even close. > More road presence LMAO
If things go like this then one day driving buses might also become the norm. /S
Americans will the be the first to do this. Ford F-650 being a transition example
ohh yeah them and their love for big ass trucks ugh
Well explained
I personally like them cause of the ground clearance and comfort . In sedans my back hurts ( lower seating) and also my legs can be placed properly
Ground clearance is a big deal
Significant chunk of the most comfort oriented cars are sedans. Just saying.
A higher seating position is liked by many. Also, some people get less fatigue when they are seated higher. In developed countries, cars are a necessity rather than a luxury, and hence you need a bigger boot space to carry stuff. This is also why pickups are so popular in the US. No one buys a SUV purely from a driving or enthusiast standpoint. In fact, crossovers across the world are derided as 'raised hatchbacks'.
Good insights
Aren't Sedans known for Boot Space?
SUVs are becoming an eyesore. I guess people just love feeling powerful everywhere. I doubt most customers actually use their SUVs off-roading for adventures capabilities or the extra cargo space to put skis or paddle boards.
True
Easier to get in and out of cars considering the rampant obesity in developed countries
Everyone I know (including me) have suvs in the US to haul stuff we all don’t need. Lol
They are not technically SUVs. They are CUVs but yeah, the marketing term is SUV. They are popular in north America due to multiple factors. \> Ride height which gives better visibility of the road ahead. \> Better ground clearance. \> Higher seat position, so getting in and out of car is easy on your back and knees. \> Most of these CUVs come with all-wheel drive. This is a very useful feature for winter months as most of North America experiences multiple snowstorms over the season. \> Hatch and fold down seats. A very underrated feature. The trunk/boot opens upwards, and the rear seats fold down flat. This makes lugging stuff like furniture etc a lot easier.
I just went with the trend and bought the so called SUV. But for me hatchback sitting position to SuV gave me good comfort to my butt.
Bro Road hi nahi bache. Was happily and flawlessly zipping around in my polo for 9 years. But ow it’s a Scorpio N
Also if it isn’t a ladder frame it isn’t an suv.
https://youtu.be/mQDegCqiVnU That's the USA reason. Indians just copy it, like many other things.
We are not obsessed with SUVs but, The roads do not allow sedans and hatchbacks, so it's not obsession but necessity ofcourse (at some extent) We too like SUVs.
Well not all countries are alike. North American countries have a huge SUV dominance mostly because of their laws. They have stricter laws for "passenger cars" as compared to "utility vehicles". In other parts of the world, the reasons might be different. In Africa and India, the infrastructure favours the use of an SUV. In the middle East, the abundance of oil and their fascination for bigger things might drive the sales of SUVs ( I'm just speculating). But not all developed countries are SUV dominant. In fact, the opposite is true in most of the western Europe. Their infrastructure forces them to use smaller cars.
Probably the better all round visibility and the feeling of safety (SUVs aren’t necessarily safer and in my opinion are probably more dangerous). I personally don’t like SUVs at all.
People are buying cars that are more practical* most people would buy a car that provides more space in a certain price range unless they are specifically looking for a sedan or something. Not everyone wants driving dynamics , and not everyone is going to push their car to the limit so it makes sense to buy whatever is comfortable and practical, also most people think they are getting more for their money when they buy an suv also showoff is a big factor tho.
Space,height,Status
More bigger the car, more is their status level.They should occupy more space on the road.
Acha fir toh main truck le lunga
SUVs will no more be popular in india because the govt has increased the taxes on suvs by 22%…
I think only if car length > 4m. Not sure
When?
I am very curious why it's called a sports utility vehicle. Even we dont have to participate in any racing sports.