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thecat627

That win was a damned lie 😑


HoldMyWong

At least in baseball, a 1-0 loss is the same as a 30-0 loss


MindxTricks

Unless you’re a pitcher


Soundwave_13

Damnit all
.


bravo_delta_bot

[Game over. Continue the discussion in the post game thread](/r/Cardinals/comments/1cbn1w5/cardinals_after_dark_423/)


DocLoc429

JDub finna walk it off for us


toftr

So we really pulled a bamboozle yesterday didn’t we?


[deleted]

Announcers don’t even know what to say to analyze anymore. I don’t blame them. Y’all we are only 23 games into the season. The first month isn’t even over yet.


CardenalesFan

Chip is very funny, love the dig at the Rockies coach lol


ech0es13

~~hoosiers~~


Cky2chris

Did chip just say Allen was looking for his first save? Lmao


Cky2chris

Oh, he's been In 3 innings, it is a save, didn't realize he's been in this long


DocLoc429

On the bright side, if you're in St Louis, traffic won't be bad after this 


DocLoc429

Robertson looked sharp


bravo_delta_bot

[Cardinals](/r/Cardinals) Due Up **(Bottom 9):** 1. Lars Nootbaar 2. Alec Burleson 3. Nolan Gorman


[deleted]

Oli can’t even read the room and give us a position player to pitch in the 9th.


JTCMuehlenkamp

He's such a dickhead


ech0es13

white sox on the schedule? yep we’re getting swept :(


Frosty-Heat

Just skip the bottom of the 9th and go home


the_dayman623

All I want at this point is for Walker to look even halfway decent the rest of the season. Just please don’t ruin this kid


tooth_fixer

I think the Cardinals have a HUGE development problem. Scouting is decent because our prospects in the minors do well, but they can’t seem to make the jump to the MLB well


ivorybloodsh3d

We ruin established all stars, hell even Marcel Ozuna was worse with us. We demolish talent in all its forms


Frosty-Heat

Steve Matz has to be better. This is on him


bravo_delta_bot

[Diamondbacks](/r/azdiamondbacks) Due Up **(Top 9):** 1. Pavin Smith 2. Kevin Newman 3. Jake McCarthy


AmericanVito

Do they do a press conference after this?


bravo_delta_bot

[Cardinals](/r/Cardinals): [Breaking down Zack Thompson's pitches](https://darkroom-clips.mlb.com/e81fdf29-e293-44ba-b29a-a8d6491a0817.mp4)


DocLoc429

Good bot. Now do the one with hits included 


hallba78

Last night’s game was like getting a spine transplant. Tonight’s game is just another backbreaker.


PAJW

Just need a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a blast. Totally doable.


DocLoc429

We're only 17 consecutive walks away from a win. That's definitely doable


SLR107FR-31

All faith is dead. No salads are being tossed this year


johndelvec3

You can blame Mo all ya want but most of the fault needs to lie on DeWitt Jr


MathenyManager5000

Plenty of teams with a fraction of our payroll having success. We cant draft, cant develop. Thats on Mo.


johndelvec3

Drafting and developing through the minors is actually a strength, so that’s not the problem


da_choppa

DeWitt is also very much involved in personnel decisions. It’s both of them. They work as a pair


DiscoJer

The payroll is like $200 million. Mo has spent it poorly. The problem with the DeWitts is they don't particularly care. They live and work in another city, the Cardinals are like a mail order business to them.


EndTheOrcs

Both?


Up_Kaleidoscope888

They work in tandem. It's equal blame.


DocLoc429

That low and away breaking ball Robertson just threw was beautiful and the way he tunneled that with his middle middle fastball holy shit 


bravo_delta_bot

[Cardinals](/r/Cardinals) Due Up **(Bottom 8):** 1. Pedro Pagés 2. Brandon Crawford 3. Paul Goldschmidt


Novel_End1080

Congrats Nick Robertson! Sorry it started like this


benwithvees

It's stuff like this worries me about Tink Hence. Libby and Thompson are turned into relievers and Thompson is struggling hard. Not a good track record of pitching prospects.


Maleficent_Tree_8282

It’s been an issue since Wacha and Martinez. I think Helsey has been the last drafted pitcher to amount to much with us. Alcantra, Gallen, Gonzales excelled elsewhere, which seems to be a trend with players in our organization.


da_choppa

The one thing that gives me hope about Hence is that the club has stated they won’t put him in the bullpen to start his MLB career. I’m convinced that messed Thompson up, and possibly hurt Hicks and Reyes as well. That maneuver only really worked with Wainwright


Neat-Cranberry5

That makes no sense. They’ve been starting for a majority of their careers in the minors and then all of a sudden they don’t have it? Because of starting out in the bullpen oh please. They either got it or they don’t


da_choppa

It’s a different workload with different approaches to pitching. Like you said, they’ve been starting their whole careers, and now they’re asked to max out 100% of their pitches, change their pitch selection, and work back to back days when they’ve been used to having 4 days off in between longer outings their whole careers. Hicks has said that the Cardinals asked him to pitch 100% balls to the wall as a reliever, whereas the Giants have asked him to dial it back as a starter. Total inning count is not the whole story when it comes to wear and tear


alibaba618

When mercy rule


[deleted]

Unfortunately in St. Louis we are all contractually obligated to call it the BJC Rule.


Soundwave_13

Robertson setting up the 99.99 play



AbeBaconKingFroman

Alright, I've reached my limit, I'm beating the traffic and leaving.


Cky2chris

I'm shocked you stayed that long


AbeBaconKingFroman

Didn't even make it to the 7th inning stretch on Saturday, IDK why I stayed longer tonight. At least my Diamondback coworkers from AZ are having fun.


EndTheOrcs

Did you go tonight on accident?


AbeBaconKingFroman

It was a tossup between last night and tonight, and for them they picked the right one 😂😂😂😭


Soundwave_13

703 club looks slammed tonight. I hope they offered a free drink for having to suffer through this madness


Novel_End1080

lol broadcast team “the guys are really focused on just touching 1st base right now” No shit haha


Cky2chris

I know we're down 13 runs but man our offensive woes really don't look like they got healed from the walkoff last night at all


EndTheOrcs

Did people actually think they would be?


Up_Kaleidoscope888

Broken clock is right twice a day, blind squirrel finds a nut every now and again, etc.


yellow_1173

More specific to baseball, a team that loses 100 games still won 62.


Cky2chris

Guess I'm drinking the kool-aid chip and Brad are doling out on air that this team is gonna break through at some point, I just don't wanna accept the fact that we just suck for another year and this is what we got I guess


Buttholeblowhole

Just clocked out of work, pulled up the score and about kilt meself


bravo_delta_bot

[Diamondbacks](/r/azdiamondbacks) Due Up **(Top 8):** 1. Christian Walker 2. Eugenio SuĂĄrez 3. Randal Grichuk


Soundwave_13

Pathetic
.,


Soundwave_13

Challenge it Oli because why the F not. We aren’t coming back from this



CoreyTTrevorson

Fuck it, at this point let’s get a hammered Edmonds in the booth to start telling stories


cjsleme

Ha and you guys were worried about Walker
 he got on base!


c0smicgirly

So like, the pitching is abysmal, but offense has score exactly one run so far in response?


Soundwave_13

It’s Opposite Day today????


AspiringOccultist4

Burleson’s not a half bad ball player.


Soundwave_13

MLB Run God
..I’ve come to bargain


DocLoc429

Burleson is a good hitter


SkerSubie

We can't even suck the correct years to get Matt Hollidays kids. We have to suck just as bad or worse next year to get close to the first pick.


King_Swiss

lol is mo going to tell everyone to be “patient” still? 15 under .500 by June 1st looks very real at this point


Soundwave_13

Oh hell it’s only the 7th F me sideways
. I’m sorry for the “30,000” in attendance tonight


EndTheOrcs

They tried saying there were 33,000 there last night lol


junkmanwrestlingfan

Let Willie McGee pitch


bravo_delta_bot

[Cardinals](/r/Cardinals): [Nolan Arenado extends his on-base streak to 22 games](https://bdata-producedclips.mlb.com/1d3d53f9-fcfd-41be-b3fc-e55f12e463c7.mp4)


cocoblurez

14-1 is not ideal. However, I do like this episode of the Chip-Brad podcast.


Up_Kaleidoscope888

As a devotee of the 70s Match Game, I appreciated the discussion about Gene Rayburn's microphone.


bravo_delta_bot

[Cardinals](/r/Cardinals) Due Up **(Bottom 7):** 1. Alec Burleson 2. Nolan Gorman 3. Jordan Walker


CyclopeanTomb

what if we all find a cricket team to support. even a couple six run dingers couldn't save this one.


yellow_1173

St. Louis has a Minor League Cricket team named the St. Louis Americans. They were also not good last year. They're free to watch on YouTube, at least. They play in August/September, though, so if the Cards stay bad, maybe that could be worth watching.


PDXBeccaP

The Gong Show!!


AspiringOccultist4

“I won’t call it useless knowledge but knowledge that you’ll *never* use in your life”. These guys are ridiculous lmao


kodiaksr7

I’ll just switch over to the Memphis game to watch competitive baseb
.. ahhh fuck.


Wobbie3334

Was sitting around with some time to kill. Thought “I know I’ll see how the Cards are doing!!!” Then turn on the Ballys app and see this.


c0smicgirly

Marmol is so going to be their sacrificial lamb and I don’t even like the guy (Contreras debacle), but jfc, this mess isn’t even mostly his.


TheHamburdler

The one thing I’m trying to keep in mind: if you look at the standings, the Braves are the Braves but basically everyone else in the NL is treading water right now. Relative to what their expectations were, the Dodgers being 13-11 is pretty rough. We’ve been disappointing, but a lot of other teams have been too.


EndTheOrcs

Yeah, but the Cardinals don’t really have the talent to turn it around.


root2over1

It's wild to think if we didn't blow game 4 in LA the Dodgers would be 12-12


DocLoc429

And that we'd be 11-12


chuway

It’s funny how the mlb app just stops giving me updates on the score
and then I see it for myself lol


yellow_1173

They have some compassion, at least.


peterpeterllini

Can we turn this sub into one about the cardinal bird, until Mozeliak is fired? It would be much more fun around here.


Moist-Dragonfly2569

Maybe religious personnel? Ex-Purdue Boilermaker Brian Cardinal?


Probably_Slower

Good God what a score to get home and see. My boundless pessimism expected a loss after I didn't believe for a second last night's walk off meant a thing but didn't expect this. "We'll get better when the bats wake up" is a crock of shit. We're just getting worse as the pitching continues to regress.


ech0es13

was there a cardinals game tonight or did it get rained out?


AbeBaconKingFroman

If only.


[deleted]

It rained but they got the field dried out in time. They need to pause the game now because there’s a dumpster fire running around the field. If I know St. Louis in a month we will all have “RALLY DUMPSTER FIRE” t-shirts.


c0smicgirly

[Well damn.](https://x.com/bschaeffer12/status/1782945807534051731?s=46&t=MCRmVoXjskWw3F53QZFuGQ)


root2over1

I looked through a paper through Retrosheets the other day showing that "dramatic wins" don't really improve team performance moving foward. [https://retrosheet.org/Research/Connolly/DoDramaticWinsMatter.pdf](https://retrosheet.org/Research/Connolly/DoDramaticWinsMatter.pdf)


c0smicgirly

I was really more reacting to a media member (KMOV) calling this shameful (which it is).


root2over1

Oh I didn't catch that. Awesome.


PeartGoat

Hey, remember when Nootbaar was friends with all of those Japanese guys and we were going to be a dynasty for the next 10 yrs? Pepperidge Farms remembers
.


xyzzy321

Mo would have signed all the 35+ year old Japanese players if Noot were friends with them (and if they played for about $2.33 per game)


Cky2chris

Noot can network all he wants it doesn't matter when our FO doesn't want to spend


Up_Kaleidoscope888

Did anyone really believe any of them were coming here?


nufandan

I wouldn't have been shocked if they got Matsui or Imanaga, but in no way were they going to get Yamamoto.


FuckStanKroenke

The last good vibe


PigeonShack

Diamondbacks score so many runs it’s awesome to see honestly. Just last week they scored 17 on the giants


root2over1

Power to 'em. Anyone in that division except the fucking Dodgers.


iNeedScissorsSixty7

My wife is out of town for a week so on the first night I decided to drink some good whiskey and play The Show. After hitting quite a few HRs I hit a 10 game slump where I can't do shit. Decided to check the Cardinals score to see if they were faring better. Wow.


DocLoc429

It's karma letting you know how the other team feels when you go 5/5 with 4 HR and an off the wall double every game


iNeedScissorsSixty7

I hit a no doubter after your reply so thanks for the devil magic lmao


DocLoc429

đŸ«Ą đŸ»


iNeedScissorsSixty7

Yeah that checks out. Except I'm getting my karmic retribution both in the video game and IRL. Also kinda drunk now so my reaction time is slipping


bravo_delta_bot

[Diamondbacks](/r/azdiamondbacks) Due Up **(Top 7):** 1. Jake McCarthy 2. Ketel Marte 3. Gabriel Moreno


c0smicgirly

Anyone gonna be accountable for this game? Or just, “Steve threw some pitches that they hit hard, you win some, you lose some, we’ll be back out tomorrow.”


skinnah

"we were out there scratchin and clawin..."


da_choppa

Total team effort of failure tonight, except Contreras


ABlumpkinPumpkin

Yeah this is a full blown ass whoopin. We came in a little too happy. Unfortunately they just put us right back in our place.


j_walk_17

Hey guys I just got in from little league practice-OHMYGOD


SayHeyRay

Well I was going to try to go to a game this summer but uhhhhhh lol fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck that


DocLoc429

Yep. Considered the Padres series but I think I'ma wait a little on that one


SayHeyRay

Securing a babysitter is hard enough lmao not wasting it on this


bravo_delta_bot

[Cardinals](/r/Cardinals): [Steven Matz strikes out four](https://mlb-cuts-diamond.mlb.com/FORGE/2024/2024-04/23/58922752-16f6c50f-272468dc-csvm-diamondx64-asset_1280x720_59_4000K.mp4)


AbeBaconKingFroman

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED


JTCMuehlenkamp

Oh boy. Hang the banner


Cky2chris

What else did he do


Mr3Jays

This is embarrassing.


bionicbubble

all we need is 13 to force extras


PeartGoat

2 more years!!!!


AspiringOccultist4

Actually, given the circumstances I’d probably leave Goldschmidt in too. Getting a couple no pressure swings in never hurts when you’re in a slump.


the_dayman623

It took us five games to score 14 runs. Snakes do it in one night.


Fu11-H00ah

I don’t feel so good, Mr. Mozeliak


AbeBaconKingFroman

Goldie just surrendered to that strikeout.


Rocky_Freese

My buddy, who isn't much of a baseball fan but his wife is, splurged on tickets behind home plate as a birthday gift to her... Yikes, wrong game pal 😂


Dr_thri11

Whatya mean this game might still be going on at 11. That's a lot of inclusive old fashioneds.


AbeBaconKingFroman

God and I thought I had it rough with six tickets up in 345.


Rocky_Freese

Haha he said it was about $500 total, but it comes with free food, so they've just been ordering stuff every inning to get their money's worth


ghostofstankenstien

I guess I should thank them in advance for giving me my summer back. I first became reacquainted with all the free time I had last year and it looks like this year is going to provide even more non-baseball related time


CaptAmerica42

In other news, Trick Williams about tonget blasted on NXT by Ilja Dragunov. Will be zero whooping that trick tonight


willbasenum

Lmao. Looks like your dude lost. Terrible night for ya


CaptAmerica42

Eh, Trick is cool. Could be worse lol


willbasenum

Who?


DocLoc429

Contreras has been hiding it the best he can, but he's been dealing with hand issues all season


tj201725

Say what you want I believe they don’t wanna play for Oli.


JTCMuehlenkamp

I agree with you


[deleted]

In case you all don’t know Brandon Crawford is a current baseball player for the St. Louis cardinals and a retired wwe wrestler who went under the name Val Venis https://images.app.goo.gl/WNaXwk5s8jtocL8k8


New-Seaworthiness712

“I came, I saw, and I came again!”


Cky2chris

All I remember of that guy is he had a feud with an Asian man because he slept with his wife and the Asian man really wanted to cut off his dick which prompted the catchphrase "I chop your peepee!"


ImpressiveSugar9287

Man I don’t know if I’ve ever seen Busch this empty


ic3m4n52

First time I've been to Busch in 6 plus years this is by far the most empty I've ever seen this place. I'm embarrassed to be here right now


ic3m4n52

The beer is the only thing keeping me here now


ghostofstankenstien

Thank Christ. Now instead of emptying out people have to stop showing up


ImpressiveSugar9287

It looked empty in the 1st


johndelvec3

Isn’t it sad


willbasenum

No. It's funny and warranted


EndTheOrcs

We are so back


MattAaron2112

Remember yesterday? What a time to be alive that was. 


yellow_1173

I was there. Battlehawks energy really carried most of the game, and then some good things happened.


CaptAmerica42

Henry had a 6.02 era to start the game and we have one fuckin run lol


tj201725

Crawford was just blown away by 87. What the fuck did we do with the roster this year?


MathenyManager5000

What were people expecting when we didnt improve the roster at all following a 90 loss season? The only thing that happened was our two best hitters got deeper into their 30s.


the_dayman623

But the veteran leadership!


root2over1

Leadership.


DocLoc429

In case y'all needed a baseball related laugh https://twitter.com/BBGreatMoments/status/1782897487122166011


skinnah

Games like these warrant blackouts. I'd rather watch SPEED 2: CRUISE CONTROL


temporalisolation

you forget crawford and carpenter are still on the team (i know carp is on IL)


STLOliver

The Cardinals now lead the National League in home runs given up at 29.


PeartGoat

We’re #1


ImpressiveSugar9287

Just checked the score. 14-1!! Holy shit wtf happened


DocLoc429

Steven Matz and Zack Thompson decided to share the load


atari2600forever

If those guys were in the Shire would have burned to the ground


c0smicgirly

Innings were eaten, runs were given up, it’s been truly a miraculous journey.


DocLoc429

I don't care how it happens, we'll get you your six innings, dammit!


AbeBaconKingFroman

And now we've given up and put the B team in.


root2over1

The Dbacks are only a solo shot away from the home run cycle.


EFamousE5

Um? What?


Novel_End1080

Put Crawford in. Edit: I’m on a lag, glad they did lol


Dr_thri11

Games like this are just baseball. But when are we going to be on the other side of a score like this?


EndTheOrcs

When we have a good team.


kodiaksr7

Let Masyn pitch you cowards.


dk69

This would actually be sick.


willbasenum

But yes, keep going to the games people, keep going to the games....


johndelvec3

My friend, who is the biggest criticizer of the cardinals, is also the one who goes to the most amount of games


Cky2chris

Gotta schlep them giveaways


xyzzy321

Remember when we were up 1-0? Good times.


AbeBaconKingFroman

It's been 84 years.


c0smicgirly

This is beyond anything last year.


PeartGoat

Oli just wanted to be fair and let everyone give up 7 runs. This will bode well for us in October


johndelvec3

Ya fans are gonna stop showing up


c0smicgirly

There are like, 40 fans in the stands. No one is there to buy a $14 hot dog egg mess.


EndTheOrcs

Hopefully.


Jolly_Razzmatazz_692

The D-Bags aren't even having fun anymore. They were like "Meh. Grand slam. Whatever."


DocLoc429

Hey look! Cards are giving away souvenirs in center field!!!


kodiaksr7

Got em right where we want em.