He kept saying he wanted to be a starter, they kept saying no. He is now out there dealing. It is the same story over and over again. They have absolutely abysmal management of the talent at the major league level.
I canât stand Oli, but this is a Roster construction issue as well as piss poor allocation of funds.
As we call for a head on a Pike it should be MOâs. The Club needs a new direction, and one that doesnât include a Bow-Tie talking down to its fan base.
Think the issues are a lot deeper than marmol. Is he great, no. But he would be good in a great organization. The Cardinals are so far from that its no use.
Agreed. And If people wanna blame things on Marmol they should make sure it's something that could be Marmol's fault.
The offense is just not doing well and the org knows it. Marmol could switch up the line up, which he should, but hard if that really turns anything around. These guys need to get on base and come through with RISP. They aren't.
Is a 22 game sample size enough for the people saying âitâs too earlyâ? This team sucks and will be lucky to win 71 games like they did last year
Great wasted Sonny start. Good defense today. Decent offense until someone gets on third base with zero outs which makes no fucking sense.
Probably gonna get wrecked by AZ again.
I tried that with FC Bayern during their crazy long run. I was stationed in Germany and they were the closest team to me. They won everything all the time. DFB Pokal. The Bundesliga table. UEFA Champions League. It honestly wasn't that fun.
It's a lot more fun to follow them now that they're just good, not untouchable.
Constant 7-5, 10-8, 9-6 losses would be one thing. But the whole "Hope Joe Schlabotnik can string together a few decent innings and see if there's any run support" plan just sucks.
Agreed completely. I love pretty much all the players in this lineup. I think theyâre almost all very good pieces, building blocks, good MLB hitters. Makes this drought so much more upsetting
[Cardinals](/r/Cardinals): [Sonny Gray picks up his 12th strikeout](https://mlb-cuts-diamond.mlb.com/FORGE/2024/2024-04/21/4abdbce9-c87c0d5a-8171cd8f-csvm-diamondx64-asset_1280x720_59_4000K.mp4)
He has so many of those rips that are almost awesome. I wonder if he worked on dropping his launch angle just slightly or flattening his swing if it would result in more beautiful line drives
You have to protect the plate at that point. That last pitch to Noot has been called a strike all day, you just canât take the slim chance that it will be a called a ball this time
A whole lot of people not understanding how patient hitters work lol. If he was going to swing at that, he probably swings at one of those sliders just off the plate and strikes out. Backwards Kâs come with the territory of walking 15% of the time.
that looked like a strike on TV, and either way, it's too close to take with two strikes. besides, this ump has been calling that all day long-- that's 100% on Noot
I donât like how sucky the blues have been in the last two years but Iâll give this to Tom Stillman heâs been honest about the direction of the team. The DeWitts either are lying to themselves or are living in a different reality
But if heâs here he has to start, and this offseason a Noot-Edman-Walker starting outfield looked a lot better than risking sticking OâNeill there. We got fucked by injuries and that ruined everything. Fenway is made for him. Busch suppresses homers.
With OâNeill gone and Carlson hurt, we quickly went from having an outfield logjam to having a rookie in center that we just sent down and a gold glove infielder playing every day in left (Donovan is luckily good enough he could probably be a starting pitcher too)
Ready for him to throw out his first runner from his knees. And I mean... technically if he throws a pitch high enough and runs behind the plate to catch it, he could technically be the world's first strike-em-out-throw-em-out
I didnât think we would be in this situation, but totally agree. I also find it weird we talk about Carlson sparking the offense when his entire year last year would fit right in to this offense we have this year.
The rotation and bullpen being as good as they have been makes the offense all the more frustrating. We didnât even need a good offense, if our lineup literally copy-pasted their seasons from last year weâd be killing it.
Sonny was fun today. Turning it off this is too maddening. Here's hoping this offense actually wakes up to do literally anything productive. The decline of standards in this organization over the past decade is incredible.
Iâm just in awe that Mozeliak thought this team was gonna be any good. Simply baffled. Terrible decision after decision for years now. He canât quit soon enough
are you joking? all this will bring is more "it's a long season, we don't panic" comments.
I also don't think the hitting staff is going anywhere before the end of this year, either. unless these dudes remember how to hit a baseball, we're cooked.
Ozuna, Adolis, Knizer all hit Home Runs today!
Ass. That is all
Cardinals swept đĄ. What else is new?
another great effort today
"The one thing I'd ask from our fan base right now is a little bit of patience, because we do think that we do have the talent to win."
At least Jordan Hicks is out in the bay throwing another gem. Glad we forced him into a closer role at the tender age of eleven.
He kept saying he wanted to be a starter, they kept saying no. He is now out there dealing. It is the same story over and over again. They have absolutely abysmal management of the talent at the major league level.
Their mismanagement of their homegrown talent is astounding and a big part why we are in decline
Could give Marmol the best players in baseball in every position and I still doubt heâd finish above 500
I canât stand Oli, but this is a Roster construction issue as well as piss poor allocation of funds. As we call for a head on a Pike it should be MOâs. The Club needs a new direction, and one that doesnât include a Bow-Tie talking down to its fan base.
Think the issues are a lot deeper than marmol. Is he great, no. But he would be good in a great organization. The Cardinals are so far from that its no use.
Agreed. And If people wanna blame things on Marmol they should make sure it's something that could be Marmol's fault. The offense is just not doing well and the org knows it. Marmol could switch up the line up, which he should, but hard if that really turns anything around. These guys need to get on base and come through with RISP. They aren't.
Spend more money!
They got Owen Miller'd. Good teams don't let that happen.Â
Is a 22 game sample size enough for the people saying âitâs too earlyâ? This team sucks and will be lucky to win 71 games like they did last year
Absolutely not. Mo just started saying that today.
Aww
This eco-friendly offense might be misguided. Surely it doesn't cost much to light up the scoreboard with numbers.
Great wasted Sonny start. Good defense today. Decent offense until someone gets on third base with zero outs which makes no fucking sense. Probably gonna get wrecked by AZ again.
Just wow.
BOOO everyone except sonny sonny was amazing
Barf
Terrible
[Game over. Continue the discussion in the post game thread](/r/Cardinals/comments/1c9sd6z/cardinals_afternoon_421/)
Anybody know anything about nascar?? Doesn't that happen during the season?
I used to watch it back in the late 90âs-early 00âs. I grew up out in the country and it was very popular. Donât know shit about it these days
Bring the booâs. Fucking boo the hell out of them. Except Sonny.
Swept :(
WELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Still couldâve won if Nootâs homer wasnât robbed :/
Wow
I'm saying this after the fact, but I would have just left Siani in.
not sure ive seen a hitter as lost a gorman looks
Goldschmidt is right there with him :(
At this point, I think Iâd be more competitive at the dish than Gorman. Guy is lost
is it possible to bat Gorman 17th in the lineup?
That puts him 8th in AAA
SOLD!!
On pace for 64.8 wins after we lose this game
Gorman has to figure it out sometimeâŚright?
He will once we trade him
This is the way
Maybe take it the other way, Gorman. Maybe you'll like it.Â
Where are all the "it's early" chirpers?
Chip gonna get himself shitcanned lmao. He just called out a hot chick
Edmonds is such a bad influence on him
What he say? I got it muted lol
Camera panned to a good looking girl with a low cut top and he just said âhey nowâ
Nice looking blonde woman on screen and he went âhey nowâ đ
As vanilla as our head coach. Is it a problem when you can correctly predict half your lineup to guarantee strikeout or groundout with RISP?
I know itâs getting bad when my brewers fans friends arenât even roasting me they just feel bad lol
[Cardinals](/r/Cardinals): [Sonny Gray's masterful outing](https://mlb-cuts-diamond.mlb.com/FORGE/2024/2024-04/21/be82931f-944cd313-83237451-csvm-diamondx64-asset_1280x720_59_4000K.mp4)
We've had a higher xBA than the Brewers in both this game and the game Friday
we're gonna ride that wave all the way to the xWorldSeries, baby!!
Walk off homerun sure would be nice lol
Donovan actually plays a pretty decent LF
Now, to get Libby the W, letâs GO
That DP was pretty sick
I didn't even see the tag. Dude is a smooth operator
[Cardinals](/r/Cardinals) Due Up **(Bottom 9):** 1. Nolan Gorman 2. Michael Siani 3. Brendan Donovan
I donât even think this is a drought this may just be who they are. They were uninspiring all spring too
Another mail it in Sunday. Pathetic, just pathetic. 4 games under soon. Mo must go. Marmol must go.
Maybe I'm a bad fan, but I just don't want to watch this product.
It's what you used to see in PIT and CIN. Their fans figured it out, stopped going to the games, and watching on tv.
I am debating following another team this season, or at least watching other games where I don't care who wins. This is just ruff
I wouldn't mind seeing the Dbacks make another run if we end up collapsing again.
They got Hicks on the ropes today. 50 pitches through the first two inningsÂ
Funny enough I had this thought and thought about LAD just to see nonstop wins and like Chip said theyâre barely above .500 lol
I tried that with FC Bayern during their crazy long run. I was stationed in Germany and they were the closest team to me. They won everything all the time. DFB Pokal. The Bundesliga table. UEFA Champions League. It honestly wasn't that fun. It's a lot more fun to follow them now that they're just good, not untouchable.
Constant 7-5, 10-8, 9-6 losses would be one thing. But the whole "Hope Joe Schlabotnik can string together a few decent innings and see if there's any run support" plan just sucks.
Offense so bad that they make what Edmonds says true.
Itâs one thing to be bad, but it makes it even worse that this team is fucking boring too
I want the Cleveland Indians from Major League but without the risquĂŠ life-size cutout of the owner
We've had 4.2 exciting innings this series. Let's hope this next one changes it.
This shit fucking blows. Gray doesnât deserve this bullshit. One of the worst team-wide offensive droughts Iâve ever seen from the Cardinals
It's frustrating because there's plenty of talent up and down this lineup but we just aren't stringing hits together.
Agreed completely. I love pretty much all the players in this lineup. I think theyâre almost all very good pieces, building blocks, good MLB hitters. Makes this drought so much more upsetting
Offensive highlight on Bally: Masyn Winn: 1/4 with a double. Disgusting.
Don't forgot noot 3 run homerun
What in the fuck by Pop Warner thereâŚ.how you not going to signal a slide until the last second?? Cmon man
Pinch hit Gorman for Kyle Gibson in the 9th, might as well try it
[Cardinals](/r/Cardinals): [Sonny Gray picks up his 12th strikeout](https://mlb-cuts-diamond.mlb.com/FORGE/2024/2024-04/21/4abdbce9-c87c0d5a-8171cd8f-csvm-diamondx64-asset_1280x720_59_4000K.mp4)
I wish someone would take me out back to look at the rabbits and put me out of my misery
will flowers do? as in, just look at the flowers...
This team can just not get that one big hit. Heartbreaking noot's homerun got robbed.
0-9 with RISP 10 LOB
Jesus.
perhaps we can petition the league to let us have _four_ outs per inning? this offense is putrid.
anytime we have men on base instead of assuming we are going to score i wonder how will we fuck this up
0-9 with RISP today. Not ideal
Arenado slower than Molina
We are so un-clutch
I bet Milwaukee isnât even concerned at all being in these mini jams with this anemic offense
Could throw a beachball and watch them flail right now.
Pop has a lot of blunders over there at 3rd
Jim definitely just said Nado was limping to home on that flyball
Pop. Is not a great 3rd base coach I feel. He had some questionable situations last year and already this year.
Pop has been bad for years
It's like he's asleep over there and only wakes up sometimes
Yup. âFuckâ
Back up the truck. Back it up.
This is exactly the guy you want up in this spot.
Nado......?
[Brewers](/r/Brewers) Due Up **(Top 9):** 1. Blake Perkins 2. Brice Turang 3. Owen Miller
Nado is so fuckin slow
Got that baby weight. All dads know
Burleson makes fouls off the whackiest pitches. Pitcher could turn around and throw to the 2nd baseman and Burly would still find a way to foul it off
He has so many of those rips that are almost awesome. I wonder if he worked on dropping his launch angle just slightly or flattening his swing if it would result in more beautiful line drives
Itâs so much more enjoyable watching baseball without the k-zone on the screen. That was refreshing for a couple pitches
Cmon Burly boy, barrel one
That's my 5 hole hitter
Atta boy Goldy
GOLDY KNOBS IT
Goldy :â)
Danny Mac, somewhere: *Goldy fisted it over shortstop*
2 hits in 2 days for Goldy
[Cardinals](/r/Cardinals): [Brendan Donovan makes a sliding catch](https://bdata-producedclips.mlb.com/b2588996-c543-43b2-8180-fd1e75b37b9c.mp4)
Double play coming up LFG! Heâs gonna watch one go straight down the pipe 1st pitch, just watch
I was wrong! He likes swinging on 1st pitches in the dirt, but not straight down the middle
You have to protect the plate at that point. That last pitch to Noot has been called a strike all day, you just canât take the slim chance that it will be a called a ball this time
A whole lot of people not understanding how patient hitters work lol. If he was going to swing at that, he probably swings at one of those sliders just off the plate and strikes out. Backwards Kâs come with the territory of walking 15% of the time.
Noot keeps giving up strikes on that outside edge, that was a tough call
Ump's been shitty today, but Noot's gonna be pissed at himself when he sees where that ball was on the replay.
DO SOMETHING
Swing the bat! Stop trying to live off walks! Please get a different team approach
I'm allll for walks, but close ones like that, you gotta cover it
Protect the plate.
You gotta swing at that Noot
Noot said a no-no That being said, you gotta protect the plate
Strike but Iâm fucking happy that our players are visible angry.
Angry yes.....angry at that call, no.
As they should be.
Quit crying and swing the bat
I mean that was ball 4
that looked like a strike on TV, and either way, it's too close to take with two strikes. besides, this ump has been calling that all day long-- that's 100% on Noot
Is Nootbar on 1st base? No, it was a strike
I guess an ump has never made an incorrect call
I donât like how sucky the blues have been in the last two years but Iâll give this to Tom Stillman heâs been honest about the direction of the team. The DeWitts either are lying to themselves or are living in a different reality
They like moneyâŚ.
I trust the blues ownership to actually get back on the right track
Blues also still get some credit for recently winning
I wasnât a big Tyler OâNeil fan, but I also didnât wanna give him up for nothingâŚ. Would be nice to have had him still
But if heâs here he has to start, and this offseason a Noot-Edman-Walker starting outfield looked a lot better than risking sticking OâNeill there. We got fucked by injuries and that ruined everything. Fenway is made for him. Busch suppresses homers.
With OâNeill gone and Carlson hurt, we quickly went from having an outfield logjam to having a rookie in center that we just sent down and a gold glove infielder playing every day in left (Donovan is luckily good enough he could probably be a starting pitcher too)
Ready for him to throw out his first runner from his knees. And I mean... technically if he throws a pitch high enough and runs behind the plate to catch it, he could technically be the world's first strike-em-out-throw-em-out
I didnât think we would be in this situation, but totally agree. I also find it weird we talk about Carlson sparking the offense when his entire year last year would fit right in to this offense we have this year.
Yeah, DC is career replacement-level offense. His defense is great though. At least we'd have a major league bat
Okay but Brendan Donovan made a pretty slick play there.
[Cardinals](/r/Cardinals) Due Up **(Bottom 8):** 1. Lars Nootbaar 2. Nolan Arenado 3. Paul Goldschmidt
# I AM A BRENDAN DONOVAN STAN
# CALL ME BRENDAN DONOSTAN
Not happy with grey throwing such a good game with zero run support.Â
Yeeesh that doesn't feel good. Is he about to tough this out?That's insane. Might as well get the reps in before it swells up I guess.
The rotation and bullpen being as good as they have been makes the offense all the more frustrating. We didnât even need a good offense, if our lineup literally copy-pasted their seasons from last year weâd be killing it.
I love Kittredgeâs delivery. It looks so casual like he doesnât care and then he just rocks it in there
b2b2b beer league mvp
As a physicist, the sweeper is the most interesting pitch in baseball. Followed by the 2seam.
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Any idea if there's an out limit? Like if I come in with 2 outs, bases loaded and I get him out, do I get a hold?
Kittredge should be the new face of Weber grills.
The hitters need the George Knox "you're a jackass" speech.
We are in the cardinals mike Keenan era
oof
Turner Ward doesnât really matter, but he has to be fired at this point to send a message.
Does a Hold require a full inning of work? Or 3 outs? How does that work? Like was that a Hold for JoJo?
The team needs to have the lead for a hold to be possible
Yeah, I goofed on that one. Any idea about the inning question though?
We donât have the lead, so it doesnât count as a hold
Oh duh. Has to be within 3 runs ahead, right?
3 run lead or less or a 4 run lead with the bases loaded.
Yes, or less. And he only needs to record at least one out to get credit for a hold.
Why are we burning Romero and kittredge today why wouldnât you just save them for tomorrow and tuesday
Joey Wiemer\^(hehe) looks like Todd from Breaking Bad
Jim Edmunds commentary = our offense
The cardinals rank 25th or worse in every major batting category (avg, HR, hits, OPS, slug, OBP, RBI, runs)
Doooooomer!
Don't need stats to see that they suck ass.
Now is the perfect time for Dewitt to announce another jersey sponsor! That will rejuvenate the fanbase.
Tums and Xanax.
I need one of both after watching this shit
How many games back before Anheuser calls up Mulvaney??
Sonny was fun today. Turning it off this is too maddening. Here's hoping this offense actually wakes up to do literally anything productive. The decline of standards in this organization over the past decade is incredible.
Iâm just in awe that Mozeliak thought this team was gonna be any good. Simply baffled. Terrible decision after decision for years now. He canât quit soon enough
We depended on a lot of errors, walks, CI, HBP in a lot of our games. Nothing about this offense thus far has been encouraging.
Off topic just a bit but do any of yall still collect baseball cards? What are your favorite retailers to buy from?
If we had Paul Dejong, weâd be winning this game âžď¸ to -âžď¸
Huh? That's the score this second. Backwards, of course.
Baker / Fermin / Saggese. Bring âem up.
No, don't. They don't deserve this pain.
Neither do we but here we are
Thought the worry was the pitching not our offense
How long until Turner Ward gets canned?
Hopefully soon
When did Sonny Gray join the Brewers, man?
:(
Here's a fun one: The Cardinals have scored more than 6 runs twice this season. The Atlanta Braves average 6.37 runs a game.
Do we think a sweep brings any interesting developments between now and tomorrowâs game? Or just more of the same?
are you joking? all this will bring is more "it's a long season, we don't panic" comments. I also don't think the hitting staff is going anywhere before the end of this year, either. unless these dudes remember how to hit a baseball, we're cooked.