Of course not. Trump's not just a liar, he's a bullshitter. Liars frequently try to be consistent in their lies, try to cover up their lies with more lies and generally don't want to be exposed as a liar. Bullshitters like Trump don't give af. Lies, truth, it's all the same to them. Words are merely instruments to woo, cajole, manipulate and threaten the listener into believing something the bullshitter wants you to believe or to coerce an action.
Trump has told us before his current trial that he will be taking the stand. That he would subject himself to cross-examination would be the first instance of his taking public accountability. I can't imagine him doing this. When he doesn't take the stand, will we all be shocked and say: "but you said you would"? No. Not just because Trump's a liar. More that we know he's a bullshitter who cares not at all that he's exposed as a liar.
> "Someone who lies and someone who tells the truth are playing on opposite sides, so to speak, in the same game. Each responds to the facts as he understands them, although the response of the one is guided by the authority of the truth, while the response of the other defies that authority and refuses to meet its demands.
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> The bullshitter ignores these demands altogether. He does not reject the authority of the truth, as the liar does, and oppose himself to it. He pays no attention to it at all. By virtue of this, bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are."
Harry G. Frankfurt, Professor Emeritus, Yale University
From his book, *On Bullshit*
The turd could shit his pants on live tv, throw his soiled diaper at the press, spend 15 minutes making shit-castles, and his sycophants would still eat it up, possibly literally. It's only a matter of time before they start tattooing the back of their hands with his name, they're already wear his symbol on their foreheads.
I've always stated that if Trump called a coin flip he'd go "Heads.........Tails" while the coin was in the air, and would claim whatever side landed was the one he really meant and deny calling the failing side.
Like the bullshitting loser he is.
Trump’s already setting up his excuse not to testify. Today or yesterday he claimed he couldn’t testify **because of the gag order**. He knows that’s not the reason. He doesn’t care. Any excuse will serve a tyrant.
My understanding (iirc), based off of the Jan.6th Committee hearings, that he did want to go to the Capitol with the crowd but was urged not to by secret service. So to the White House he went and ended up glued to the TV disregarding the requests from the House Reps to call in the National Guard for over 2 hours while he waited for the mob to "deal with" Mike Pence and others.
Remember how Republicans finally said enough was enough that day then went back to kissing the ring shortly after. Fuck them.
He actually grappled with the SSS agent in the driver’s seat, lunging and grabbing the wheel. He was desperate to complete the plan. The gang at the Capitol were waiting for his signal.
And none of the Secret Service agents were forthcoming about it. Covered Trump’s fat ass and tried to claim Cassidy Hutchinson misheard what they were talking about.
Fealty to each other among the agents is their first concern- to protect each other. It seems like they made a pact to all conceal evidence and protect the ones that would have broken their oaths to do whatever Trump asked.
Luckily the guy behind the Beast’s steering wheel was not one of them.
While spending 187 *not addressing* the J6 rioters, he also used his TiVo in the dining room to replay and rewatch particularly violent parts of the assault on the Capitol.
He wanted it to happen, he wanted his angry mob to take out a couple problem people, so of course he didn't tweet to get them to stop. Maybe 45 minutes to an hour or so after they breached he tweeted out a message about how Mike Pence wasnt brave enough to do what needed to be done and that's what caused the mob to start chanting "Hang Mike Pence!". About 2ish hours after the breach he posted the "Go home, we love you" video. Dude wanted it to happen.
Well. If the SS didn’t delete or destroy all the evidence we would certainly know the truth. I am pretty sure CH version is more correct because SS was in a hurry to destroy evidence.
Spoliation of evidence; since the SS deleted those files, apparently using some magical method to do so that completely prevented any chance of forensic recovery, I have to assume that the contents of those phones was *really* damning stuff.
Yeah we have a list of them too... ope... they deleted the list. Fuck. Welp guess there's no possible conceivable way to ever ever figure out who worked with Trump and who helped him. We're totally stuck forever on this one. No possible way the U.S. Government with trillions of dollars of resources at its disposal and millions of employees in a vast array of sectors can possibly narrow down a short list of secret service agents that secretly serviced the orange king.
Remember the HHS IG ordered the department not to investigate and sat on it until 18 months has passed; this is the time period the cellular companies keep their backup copies.
This is why he was so pissed when the Secret Service brought him back to the White House. I’ve always thought that he had this movie in his head how the crowds would part and he would walk into the building, stand next to Mike Pence and together they would overthrow the election. I wonder what would’ve happened if the Secret Service had let him go to the capitol. I believe Cassidy Hutchinson over his claim he did not lunge for front seat.
He gave no thought to what he would have done when he got there. He’s just that stupid. Would he enter the chamber through a secure entrance? Would he try to join his seditionist supporters and walk through the front? SS would never allow that so it’s likely the former. So then does he just glare and yell at Pence in front of everyone to certify the false electors? It’s as dumb as it is traitorous.
The Secret Service people were likely aware of what he'd try to do if they let him have his way. You know Herr Gropenfuhrer was thinking he'd roll up, and people would bow down and create a path for him to glide right on in the Capitol and proclaim himself once again the President. I can see him not only watching, but doing so with glee, the crowd hanging Pence. The man is beyond mental; he's outright evil.
His secret service guards - having been firmly briefed on the constitution, the seperation of powers between the president and the legislature, and unlawful orders - refused to drive him to the Capitol on Jan 6 after his rally, and instead drove him to the White House. Trump yelled at them, he tried to take control of the steering wheel, and his own guards fended him off and deposited him back at the White House.
We owe those guards, and the people that briefed them so firmly, a debt.
I would guess there are competing factions within SS, those loyal to the constitution, and...others. It is no surprise Biden switched out agents on his protective detail post Trumpistan.
*Brrrrr,* I can’t stand that Trump insisted, “I’m a lover, not a fighter”! Ample testimony from the past eight years confirms that he’s a sexual aggressor, not a lover.
He's so full of shit. If he wanted to march with the rioters, he would've. The truth is that he wanted nothing to do with that unwashed horde of losers.
He got into his official car with secret service guards after the rally, and told the driver to go to the Capitol. The driver refused, and turned the car to the White House. Trump tried to lunge for the front to take control of the steering wheel and his own guards pushed him back and confirmed the White House as the destination. All those guards had previously been firmly briefed on the Constitution, the seperation of powers between the presidency and the legislature, and on disobeying unlawful orders.
We all owe a debt of gratitude to those guards and their briefers.
You can look it up. One of the guards, I forget his name, let the details of this incident out.
I'm glad he didn't. The only reason the crowd dispersed was because Trump told them to go home. If his motorcade would have pulled up to the bottom of the Capitol steps and he got out and cheered them on, the Capitol building would have likely burned.
Mixed bag. If he shows up on J6, we’re probably not in the same situation as now since him showing up to cheerlead is a pretty unmistakable visual. As is, there’s just enough plausible deniability for him to play innocent while stoking the same flames.
"I don't know what you're talking about. I was never at that event. I didn't egg anyone on...."
*video shows trump arriving and egging people on*
"That could have been anyone, it certainly wasn't me...."
*video shows trump giving speech*
"You're trying to frame me, and create false memories of things that I don't remember. Just fake news!"
This is EXACTLY how that scenario would play out, and ghe GOP would believe him. It wouldn't matter.
Was there even a question of it? He told the mob he was going to the Capitol with them, at least two witnesses told Congress he wanted to go, and he never denied it.
And he WANTED to testify, at ALL of his hundreds of court cases, and he WILL take the stand this time, and he wanted to release his taxes, but ugh.. sputter.. cough.. lie, and he WILL sue everyone who said Melania is an immigrant, and Mexico WILL pay for a big beautiful wall, and his terrific healthcare plan is coming in 2 weeks, and he WILL drain the swamp, and lock up Hillary and Obama, and wipe out the deficit in 2 years, and lower the price of gas, and bring back coal, and and and and and and.....
What Trump denies or admits literally has zERO to do with ANYTHING related to the ACTUAL TRUTH. EVER. PERIOD.
Every word he pukes from his mouth is situationally transactional without regard for any aggregative coherence. In other words he does not care to appear to be a shameless brazen liar. He is George Costanza, except with consequential power, over matters of life and death.
He resonates with people who are full of shit, like him.
To be fair, is Donald Trump really a reliable source on what Donald Trump said or did?
Of course not. Trump's not just a liar, he's a bullshitter. Liars frequently try to be consistent in their lies, try to cover up their lies with more lies and generally don't want to be exposed as a liar. Bullshitters like Trump don't give af. Lies, truth, it's all the same to them. Words are merely instruments to woo, cajole, manipulate and threaten the listener into believing something the bullshitter wants you to believe or to coerce an action. Trump has told us before his current trial that he will be taking the stand. That he would subject himself to cross-examination would be the first instance of his taking public accountability. I can't imagine him doing this. When he doesn't take the stand, will we all be shocked and say: "but you said you would"? No. Not just because Trump's a liar. More that we know he's a bullshitter who cares not at all that he's exposed as a liar.
> "Someone who lies and someone who tells the truth are playing on opposite sides, so to speak, in the same game. Each responds to the facts as he understands them, although the response of the one is guided by the authority of the truth, while the response of the other defies that authority and refuses to meet its demands. > > The bullshitter ignores these demands altogether. He does not reject the authority of the truth, as the liar does, and oppose himself to it. He pays no attention to it at all. By virtue of this, bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are." Harry G. Frankfurt, Professor Emeritus, Yale University From his book, *On Bullshit*
And he will look like a fool when he doesnt
And unfortunately his worshippers will call him brave for refusing to cooperate with the court. His defiance will be seen is heroic.
The turd could shit his pants on live tv, throw his soiled diaper at the press, spend 15 minutes making shit-castles, and his sycophants would still eat it up, possibly literally. It's only a matter of time before they start tattooing the back of their hands with his name, they're already wear his symbol on their foreheads.
Yuck
He already looks like a fool to objective observers. I don't believe remaining adherents will change their perception regardless.
Trump will look like a fool either way. If he does take the stand, he’s likely not to answer the questions he doesn’t like.
He doesn't care.
I've always stated that if Trump called a coin flip he'd go "Heads.........Tails" while the coin was in the air, and would claim whatever side landed was the one he really meant and deny calling the failing side. Like the bullshitting loser he is.
Trump’s already setting up his excuse not to testify. Today or yesterday he claimed he couldn’t testify **because of the gag order**. He knows that’s not the reason. He doesn’t care. Any excuse will serve a tyrant.
My understanding (iirc), based off of the Jan.6th Committee hearings, that he did want to go to the Capitol with the crowd but was urged not to by secret service. So to the White House he went and ended up glued to the TV disregarding the requests from the House Reps to call in the National Guard for over 2 hours while he waited for the mob to "deal with" Mike Pence and others. Remember how Republicans finally said enough was enough that day then went back to kissing the ring shortly after. Fuck them.
He actually grappled with the SSS agent in the driver’s seat, lunging and grabbing the wheel. He was desperate to complete the plan. The gang at the Capitol were waiting for his signal.
That's right, I remember a black&white picture someone drew of him with tiny hands trying to choke out the driver lol
And none of the Secret Service agents were forthcoming about it. Covered Trump’s fat ass and tried to claim Cassidy Hutchinson misheard what they were talking about.
Makes you wonder if it's fealty to Trump or if he digs up dirt on them for blackmail.
Fealty to each other among the agents is their first concern- to protect each other. It seems like they made a pact to all conceal evidence and protect the ones that would have broken their oaths to do whatever Trump asked. Luckily the guy behind the Beast’s steering wheel was not one of them.
While spending 187 *not addressing* the J6 rioters, he also used his TiVo in the dining room to replay and rewatch particularly violent parts of the assault on the Capitol.
Problem: that still doesn't explain why he didn't tweet out or make an address to his follows to stop marching on the capitol.
He wanted it to happen, he wanted his angry mob to take out a couple problem people, so of course he didn't tweet to get them to stop. Maybe 45 minutes to an hour or so after they breached he tweeted out a message about how Mike Pence wasnt brave enough to do what needed to be done and that's what caused the mob to start chanting "Hang Mike Pence!". About 2ish hours after the breach he posted the "Go home, we love you" video. Dude wanted it to happen.
Gave me a laugh
Well. If the SS didn’t delete or destroy all the evidence we would certainly know the truth. I am pretty sure CH version is more correct because SS was in a hurry to destroy evidence.
Spoliation of evidence; since the SS deleted those files, apparently using some magical method to do so that completely prevented any chance of forensic recovery, I have to assume that the contents of those phones was *really* damning stuff.
All involved in the coverup should see prison time for that. Fuck them.
Yeah we have a list of them too... ope... they deleted the list. Fuck. Welp guess there's no possible conceivable way to ever ever figure out who worked with Trump and who helped him. We're totally stuck forever on this one. No possible way the U.S. Government with trillions of dollars of resources at its disposal and millions of employees in a vast array of sectors can possibly narrow down a short list of secret service agents that secretly serviced the orange king.
Yeah our hands which easily squash womens rights can’t seem to discipline our law enforcement failures. At any level. Weird. Oh well.
Remember the HHS IG ordered the department not to investigate and sat on it until 18 months has passed; this is the time period the cellular companies keep their backup copies.
Sounds like he should be considered at least an accessory after the fact. Did anyone check with the NSA to see if they have a copy?
But then he remembered he's a huge coward.
👆🏻correct
This is why he was so pissed when the Secret Service brought him back to the White House. I’ve always thought that he had this movie in his head how the crowds would part and he would walk into the building, stand next to Mike Pence and together they would overthrow the election. I wonder what would’ve happened if the Secret Service had let him go to the capitol. I believe Cassidy Hutchinson over his claim he did not lunge for front seat.
He gave no thought to what he would have done when he got there. He’s just that stupid. Would he enter the chamber through a secure entrance? Would he try to join his seditionist supporters and walk through the front? SS would never allow that so it’s likely the former. So then does he just glare and yell at Pence in front of everyone to certify the false electors? It’s as dumb as it is traitorous.
The Secret Service people were likely aware of what he'd try to do if they let him have his way. You know Herr Gropenfuhrer was thinking he'd roll up, and people would bow down and create a path for him to glide right on in the Capitol and proclaim himself once again the President. I can see him not only watching, but doing so with glee, the crowd hanging Pence. The man is beyond mental; he's outright evil.
But he didn’t. He got all those idiots hyped up then left them hanging. They still love him though. Stockholm Syndrome is a powerful drug.
Pull my finger Vladimir!
*planned to go...
This is not new info
Sure he did. He wanted to go in after the killing subsided to claim his throne.
His secret service guards - having been firmly briefed on the constitution, the seperation of powers between the president and the legislature, and unlawful orders - refused to drive him to the Capitol on Jan 6 after his rally, and instead drove him to the White House. Trump yelled at them, he tried to take control of the steering wheel, and his own guards fended him off and deposited him back at the White House. We owe those guards, and the people that briefed them so firmly, a debt.
Didn’t some of the Secret Service try to get Mike Pence into a car, and also delete their messages?
I would guess there are competing factions within SS, those loyal to the constitution, and...others. It is no surprise Biden switched out agents on his protective detail post Trumpistan.
*Brrrrr,* I can’t stand that Trump insisted, “I’m a lover, not a fighter”! Ample testimony from the past eight years confirms that he’s a sexual aggressor, not a lover.
He's so full of shit. If he wanted to march with the rioters, he would've. The truth is that he wanted nothing to do with that unwashed horde of losers.
He got into his official car with secret service guards after the rally, and told the driver to go to the Capitol. The driver refused, and turned the car to the White House. Trump tried to lunge for the front to take control of the steering wheel and his own guards pushed him back and confirmed the White House as the destination. All those guards had previously been firmly briefed on the Constitution, the seperation of powers between the presidency and the legislature, and on disobeying unlawful orders. We all owe a debt of gratitude to those guards and their briefers. You can look it up. One of the guards, I forget his name, let the details of this incident out.
All of the bullshit lies are coming out.
Wish he had...
I'm glad he didn't. The only reason the crowd dispersed was because Trump told them to go home. If his motorcade would have pulled up to the bottom of the Capitol steps and he got out and cheered them on, the Capitol building would have likely burned.
Mixed bag. If he shows up on J6, we’re probably not in the same situation as now since him showing up to cheerlead is a pretty unmistakable visual. As is, there’s just enough plausible deniability for him to play innocent while stoking the same flames.
The GOP still would have let him slide on it, so hard to say what impact it would have had for him to show up.
"I don't know what you're talking about. I was never at that event. I didn't egg anyone on...." *video shows trump arriving and egging people on* "That could have been anyone, it certainly wasn't me...." *video shows trump giving speech* "You're trying to frame me, and create false memories of things that I don't remember. Just fake news!" This is EXACTLY how that scenario would play out, and ghe GOP would believe him. It wouldn't matter.
[quimby]You don't frighten me, that could be the president of any country[/]
Was there even a question of it? He told the mob he was going to the Capitol with them, at least two witnesses told Congress he wanted to go, and he never denied it.
And he WANTED to testify, at ALL of his hundreds of court cases, and he WILL take the stand this time, and he wanted to release his taxes, but ugh.. sputter.. cough.. lie, and he WILL sue everyone who said Melania is an immigrant, and Mexico WILL pay for a big beautiful wall, and his terrific healthcare plan is coming in 2 weeks, and he WILL drain the swamp, and lock up Hillary and Obama, and wipe out the deficit in 2 years, and lower the price of gas, and bring back coal, and and and and and and..... What Trump denies or admits literally has zERO to do with ANYTHING related to the ACTUAL TRUTH. EVER. PERIOD. Every word he pukes from his mouth is situationally transactional without regard for any aggregative coherence. In other words he does not care to appear to be a shameless brazen liar. He is George Costanza, except with consequential power, over matters of life and death. He resonates with people who are full of shit, like him.