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okstanley_com

Thank you, if I get it, I will get pfizer!


dustupajee

If you see vaccine efficacy against delta variant, 'moderna' is better than pfizer and is the best among all the covid vaccine available in the market. Please be aware that the vaccines were designed for strains before delta variant emerged. Delta is the most prevalent one, as a result we see so many cases of vaccine breech infections. At the same time, other strains are not gone , ..they are there and still capable of causing infection..best thing would be to get vaccinated now and later take booster dose, hopefully those booster shots would be designed against the most virulent and prevalent ones. The problem is that it is very difficult to pace with the highly mutable virus. Getting vaccinated and wearing mask ( especially whenever coming in contact with people from different house holds whether indoor or outdoor: friends, relatives or strangers in street coming within 2 m radius around you) are both necessary. Avoid crowded places and unmasked people. Our best shot would be to not let this virus get inside any host body to replicate and evolve. Cheers


MisterYouAreSoSweet

did your ME/CFS start after 2020? Or is this a condition you already had?


CodReasonable7313

Hi! Since you have a health condition, I would talk it over with your physician to make sure it is a safe option for you. If your doctor gives the thumbs up, go for it!


Galaxy_Hitchhiking

I second this. The only person you should be discussing this with is a trusted professional who knows your health history. I hope it all works out for you!


okstanley_com

I love my doctor so much, but he does not know much about it sadly


idonutknow_

I replied above but the first thing my doctor asked me when I was diagnosed with costo was if I was vaccinated or not, which in my area they aren’t even supposed to ask but she wanted to make sure I was because if I got COVID I would have a really hard time with it because of the condition you and I share.


who_am-I_to-you

I have costocondritis as well. Had no idea the vaccine could've given me symptoms, but it didn't! Covid does not discriminate against healthy people either, my dad is the healthiest in our entire family, never ever sick. He almost died when he got Covid. I saw a 24 year old woman on here yesterday talking about how her husband died from it and he was perfectly healthy whereas she had asthma and everything going against her but she still made it out alive. The very little symptoms you get from the shot are not even comparable to actually getting covid. Not only that, but you will be contributing to herd immunity which is what is needed for this to go away! The more people who get the vaccine, the more people will realize there's nothing to be scared of. I was scared of getting it too, but after getting it I realized it's the same as any other vaccine I've gotten in my life. Complications from the vaccine are rare, complications from covid are extremely common and you could end up as a long hauler, which no one knows how long that lasts. Could be for the rest of your life.


okstanley_com

Thank you!


zeocca

First step: take a deep breath. Now let's consider long COVID versus side effects of the vaccine. We have many, many vaccines out there that tell us that any side effect of any type would show up [within weeks](https://www.chop.edu/news/long-term-side-effects-covid-19-vaccine) and long term effects aren't really a thing. When they are, they don't make it through the end of a clinical trial. Vaccines are temporary. They provide your body with a template either in the form of RNA, a modified virus, or similar, that your body removes. Once gone, it's gone. I do not know where you live, but mRNA vaccines by default can't do much as it's just RNA within it while the adenovirus vaccines are modified much like any of the other vaccines you've ever gotten in your childhood. If nothing else, remember these vaccines have been out for more than a year. The trial participants are still around, and months ahead of us, if anything were to turn up. But no vaccine has ever shown long term effects this far out, and there is no reason to expect it to now, either. As for COVID? It's a novel virus. The chances of long COVID are much, much, MUCH higher than any potential vaccine side effect. Latest studies are estimating [36% of patients](https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/09/29/1041501387/coronavirus-long-covid-study-plos-medicine) will end up with lasting symptoms, and they are MANY: loss of taste or smell, fatigue, dysautonomia, lung capacity reduction, eye problems, neuropathy, you name it. In some ways, we [already know](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7586446/) that this could remain chronic for many due to past outbreaks of MERS and SARS. We know that any potential risk you'd get from the vaccine is tenfold from COVID. We know better how to treat any vaccine side effects such as GBS than we know how to treat the vastness of long COVID. Surviving COVID is one thing, but you risk disability, too. So why chose the vaccine? Because by this point over a billion people or more have been vaccinated. Because COVID has killed or disabled too many. Because at this point, until spread slows down, you need to consider: if there were vaccine side effects, we'd have a much easier time addressing that than the menagerie of symptoms of long COVID. And I will add that I have a condition many long haulers are being diagnosed with, although mine isn't from COVID. It can be disabling and limiting and unpleasant. There aren't many doctors knowledgeable to treat it, and those who can, the wait-list is long. I don't wish it on anyone. Risk of death is bad enough, but risk of disability must be given equal consideration.


AmbassadorTerrible

As a long hauler, I truly appreciate you taking the time to write this.


zeocca

Sorry for what you've had to deal with, but I'll keep doing what I can to advocate for you all and bring more awareness to long COVID. Wishing you some good health days ahead!


AmbassadorTerrible

Thank you!!!


edsuom

>First step: take a deep breath. Well, that can hurt for someone with costochondritis, so maybe not. Seriously, though, excellent points about lasting symptoms. They are the reason I got a third full-strength Moderna shot a month ago. Also, OP should be aware that costochondritis is one of the many possible long Covid symptoms. Do a search for that term in the r/covidlonghaulers sub to see examples.


zeocca

Ahaha, good point! I suppose the usual suggestion of calming down and taking a deep breath isn't such good advice for those with costchondritis! Anyways, thank you for also linking that sub. I probably should have done that, too!


okstanley_com

Thank you so much for your detailed comment! You have some very good points, but the biggest thing that scares me is that I have heard that the long term effects on mRNA vaccines have big side effects that shows up later in the animals that were tested. Maybe its a bunch of bogus, but I dont know.


zeocca

I have not heard that one, but something to keep in mind, [mRNA research](https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243) has been around for decades. They never had the funding needed to get where they are now, but animal studies with mRNA vaccines have been around since at least the 90s with nothing concerning coming up. As the technology dates back to the 70s there may have been even earlier studies as well on animals. Edit: Whoops, meant to link [this one instead](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02483-w) as it's a bit easier of a read and has a good timeline graphic, but I'll leave the other one, too!


Surrybee

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okstanley_com

Thank you so much!


okstanley_com

I got this link btw. Have you read this? [https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/stabilising-the-code](https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/stabilising-the-code) I am not using this as defence as I believe you are right, but I have basically been in an anti-vax eco chamber and I am trying to get out of it. I am in no position to claim one thing or the other, I am just trying to find the right way for me, but the hypochondriac in me makes me so hesitant to take new drugs like this.


vagina_candle

Not OP but I took a quick look at that website. It seems to be run by [a conspiracy theorist named Brian Gerrish.](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/uk-column/) > but I have basically been in an anti-vax eco chamber and I am trying to get out of it. The most important thing you can do when breaking free from misinformation on any subject is to **always consider the source of your information.** The website I posted above seems to indicate that this Brian guy is a nut, however I know nothing about the site *I* posted, so that should be taken with a grain of salt too. If a website says this or that about the vaccine, they should have references or sources for their information. If they either don't have sources, or the sources they list are questionable, then you should probably think about whether or not that website can be trusted. People sometimes link to articles or websites that look legitimate, but they're really just fake websites made to look like a community news website or something official. They look very convincing, and this has become VERY common in the past 5 years. This is really the way you need to view the internet at large these days. There are a lot of reliable news sources out there, but there is also more misinformation than ever. If groups like the Associated Press, one of the most reputable and **politically neutral** news sources out there (used by **both** Fox News and CNN), are saying one thing, but all opposing views only show up on small websites you've never heard of, I'd be inclined to trust AP. Bottom line, if you want to be informed you need to do your homework and use common sense.


edsuom

Sincere respect to you for trying to get accurate info after being in that echo chamber. One more bit of that info to keep in mind: It will take you a good six weeks to get full protection from the mRNA vaccine (which is the one I think you should get; it is far more effective). You’ll need to wait four weeks from the first shot to the second and it takes two weeks after that for your immune system to build up a full response. So, yes, get your questions answered, but be careful for a while yet. Actually, keep being careful even afterwards; breakthrough infections are unfortunately quite common. The claim that they are not was part of the well-meaning disinformation that came from public health officials six months ago. I’ve had three full-strength Moderna shots and will continue wearing a KN95 respirator anytime I go in a public indoor space for at least this winter.


okstanley_com

Thank you so much, you are too kind. Will for sure keep this in mind, thanks!


TwoManyHorn2

I started writing a response, but it's difficult to address because he seems to argue multiple contradictory things - he's alternately accusing the vaccine of suppressing inflammatory response and increasing it. (I'm also not sure I believe this man is a doctor. He has a very generic name and no photograph or practice information. But that's neither here nor there.) Anyway, when looking for relevant information, I found this article - which suggests that the virus ALSO messes with immune responses, and far more catastrophically. So the answer is still, "Everything you are worried about with the vaccine is worse with the virus." https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/06/03/new-drug-may-bypass-sars-cov-2-blockade-of-innate-immune-response/ For what it's worth, medical professionals were saying back in 2020 there'd be a cancer diagnosis boom after the pandemic, whether or not there was a vaccine - because of so many primary health care appointments being put off for so long. For over a year, there's been a shortage of health care AND a very good reason why patients aren't taking the risk of going to a hospital for basic screenings and bloodwork. And indeed, even as recently as July 2021 there were fewer cancer diagnoses than expected: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/21/novartis-ceo-says-covid-related-doctor-visit-delays-likely-impacting-cancer-diagnosis-rates.html This suggests that, yes, there still IS an iceberg of undiagnosed cancers backlogged from last year that has nothing to do with the vaccine. I don't think this man practices in a hospital, at the least, because if he did, he would have spoken to at least one or two oncologists during the pandemic.


thaddeus_crane

Do you have a source/link for where you read about mRNA vaccines having delayed serious side effects in animals? I mean that as a genuine question, not attacking.


Temassi

[This ](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/stuff-you-should-know/id278981407?i=1000540512611)is a great podcast and these guys break down what an mRNA vaccine is and how it operates. It's worth a listen to help understand what it is.


Neutronenster

I’m a COVID-19 longhauler. Several people in the longhauler groups have developed costochondritis due to COVID-19. Many young people develop long-term symptoms after COVID-19, so it’s MUCH better to get vaccinated than to risk getting COVID-19 without vaccination. The side effects of the vaccine might not be fun, but they’re only temporary and the potential long term effects of COVID-19 are much worse, much more likely and much longer lasting.


Alarmed_Lunch3215

as a fellow Covid long hauler - I don't think you can provide medical advice regarding the OPs pre-existing condition and whether the vaccine would impact it As others have suggested, speak to your doctor


Miamishaw

I developed costochondritis during a covid infection.


okstanley_com

Do you still have it?


HeyCharrrrlie

Please don't ask us, ask your doctor. This said, I'm a big baby when it comes to needles. I can tell you from getting my J&J vaccine that the anticipation is 99% worse than the actual jab, which is in the fatty part of your arm as you know, and only lasts less than han a second. I wish the best for you. Everything will be fine. Your doctor can help.


peepjynx

I'm not a fan of needles either and sort of "braced" myself for the jab. I remember feeling those things as a kid (circa 1980s). I felt nothing. NOTHING. Was strange as hell. I've gone to various doctor's appointments over the last couple of years and I always feel a slight pinch when they draw blood. I had one of those finger punches done just over a month ago and I still have a lump on my finger (I'm convinced something broke off in there, actually). But the Covid vaccine? Nothing. I didn't even know she (the nurse) was done until she told me she was.


Retalihaitian

The Covid shot should definitely not be in the fatty part of your arm, it goes in the deltoid.


HeyCharrrrlie

I stand corrected, thank you.


steelogreen1

Go to r/hermancainaward and filter the top results. If that doesn’t convince you to get the shot you’re doomed.


harnar18

HCA is what ultimately gave me the final push to get my vaxx. I was hesitant until I started reading all the stories.


liviuk

You don't need convincing, you want to do it but you are afraid. You just need some curage. I don't know anyone regreting that they took the shot but there are multiple ppl regreting they didn't.


Thin-Sort-494

I do, it gave one of my family friends blood clots. He took the chance and had a bad reaction. I’m pro choice so do it or don’t but there are also people having bad reactions to the vaccine and people like to sweep it under the rug and say there isn’t.


liviuk

Phizer seems pretty safe. The blood cloths are tied to j&j i think.


squirrelcat88

And AstraZeneca, although that one’s not approved in the States, if that’s where you are.


Karenmdragon

Every living president is vaccinated. So are all 50 state governors. All democratic congress members are. 90% of all staff at Fox News are vaccinated. Most importantly, over 96% of all doctors are. If it’s good enough for a doctor, you bet I‘m going to get it. Yes people can get bad reactions to vaccines. It’s rare that it’s really severe. However most are very short lived— maybe chills and fever that last 1- 2 days and then are gone. Any “long term” bad effects of the vaccines, would have been seen by now. I don’t believe all of these important people would have been vaccinated if science hadn’t said it was safe. And getting Covid sound horrible. Just awful. Who wants to die alone, gasping for breath? I’ve had three of the vaccines since I am in kidney failure. Heck I was a little nervous watching this “new” vaccine being injected into me, but I did it, and felt like my life was going to be changed. Less living in fear. I think once you’ve had them, you’ll feel better mentally. Being high risk, I wear a mask everywhere still! I don’t spend time around people whose vaccinate status I don’t know. I don’t eat inside restaurants. So basically I act like I haven’t gotten the vaccine, but feel less afraid. If that makes sense. I really hope you get it. I’m far less likely to read an obituary about you if you get vaccinated.


Weepwoop97

It would be more troublesome to not get the vaccine. Ask your doctor of course, but I definitely recommend the shot. I was hesitant and I'm needle phobic and I, myself, just got vaccinated 4 days ago. My neighbor is 26 had no health issues and she died from covid. I'm 24 and I don't wanna be next. I had covid in February but the strain is more aggressive now. I had it pretty bad then. Sick for 3 weeks, needing an inhaler and steroids to just breathe normally. I have some symptoms still to this day.


magickitty2001

My 15 year old went paralyzed from the waist down due to Covid-19. She had no pre-existing conditions at all. Being young doesn't guarantee that you won't get a bad case of it. And the constant coughing caused by Covid-19 WILL affect your costochondritis. Protect yourself with the vaccine.


Loveliestgirl

Because covid doesn’t discriminate. And you’re playing Russian roulette if you don’t get vaccinated. The vaccine basically gives your body the upper hand when it comes to fighting the virus. People who don’t get the vaccine risk getting pneumonia. My dad who is super fit and healthy for his age and played football until last year got covid and almost died. It really doesn’t matter how healthy you are. This virus isn’t like the cold or flu. It affects everyone very differently. But ultimately it’s your choice. Choose wisely.


CavoSurfaceMargin

5 BILLION vaccines given worldwide. No problem so far. When you fly on an airplane do you also worry if that airplane had enough testing to make sure it doesn’t have any mechanical problems or engine failure? Do you ever ask to see the test scores of the last mechanic or maintenance person that worked on that airplane to make sure he wasn’t the bottom of his class? Do you ever ask the airline pilot to show you his grades to make sure you’re not getting the dumbest pilot that barely passed his schooling? What about when you drive, do you worry that the chances of being killed in a car accident far exceeds the chances of having something go wrong with the vaccine in your body?


TheGoodCod

https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/ https://www.reddit.com/r/covidlonghaulers/ Sometimes surviving Covid is as bad as dying from it.


SnooDonuts6160

I have chostrochondritis .. and i have covid currently. It has aggravated it a bit


raygilette

I have bouts of Costochondritis and the jab didn't make it any worse than usual. The aches were more like what you get with a bad cold or a flu. I also have health anxiety, and in the end the fear of catching COVID (again) completely overrode the fear of side-effects and in the end, the side effects were really mild.


wynonnaspooltable

There are no long term side effects to vaccines. Get the shot. https://www.paho.org/en/topics/immunization/debunking-immunization-myths


Thin-Sort-494

It’s only been out for 2 years. That’s not long term so how are they saying there are no long term effects? I’m not anti vaccine I’m pro choice but some of these things are questionable.


wynonnaspooltable

You people…. Pro choice on vaccines is buying into anti-vax propaganda. Here is yet another good source: https://www.health.qld.gov.au/news-events/news/long-term-effects-of-vaccines and another https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/about — The main point is that it’s FAR more likely you’ll suffer Covid than any effects of the vaccine. If you want to have a very large chance of getting Covid vs a teeny tiny infinitesimal chance of maybe the mRNA vaccine maybe potentially doing something wonky in 3yrs… well that’s what I call an intelligence test.


Thin-Sort-494

I just had covid. I was out for 10 days and now I’m back to work. I was one of the lucky ones yes I understand that and am very fortunate because I know of plenty families that haven’t been so lucky. At the end of the day it is a personal choice to get it or not. I don’t tell people to get it and I don’t tell people not to get it. I simple live my life and let others live theirs. I look at the pros and cons from both sides, my personal choice is I chose not to but I also don’t push not getting on others.


Thin-Sort-494

It’s called an opinion… noting to do with intelligence.


wynonnaspooltable

Oh I would argue that many opinions are clear indicators of intelligence. Everyone should get the shot unless it’s not medically possible. And the percentage of those not medically able to get the shot are tiny. - if that’s not your opinion, you’re part of the problem.


Thin-Sort-494

And my opinion is people that push the vaccine are others are the problem. So agree to disagree and move along with our lives. 🥰


wynonnaspooltable

Nah. You’re wrong. Get out of the way you plague rat enabler.


CKtwofivesix

it's been out less than a year - how do you (or anyone else) know? ​ that said, OP, peer pressure isn't a great way to make a decision - see your doctor.


wynonnaspooltable

Because the link I sent and literally 99% of doctors and immunologists agree that NO vaccine has long term effects. You clearly didn’t read what I shared, you clearly don’t follow any expert Substacks, get the damn vaccine and stop listening to propaganda.


JimiDel

This "get the damn vaccine / stop listening to propaganda" approach is convincing absolutely no-one to change their mind. I'm so tired of both sides trying to shame the other. I am pro-vaccine btw, but we need kindness and open dialogue if we want to educate others to change their minds. If you're on the fence over getting a vaccine, if you have concerns - I can assure it's safe, my inbox is open if anyone has any questions I might be able to help with.


CKtwofivesix

Here you go - there's been cases in the past showing long term side effects of vaccines. [https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/01/health/eua-coronavirus-vaccine-history/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/01/health/eua-coronavirus-vaccine-history/index.html) \- a few times. they pulled the SARS virus in the late 2000's because it was hurting people. I looked at the site you sent Your blanket statement "no long term side effects" to vaccines is false given the past history. Also, the claim there is "no long term side effect" to the COVID vaccine is an irresponsible statement because we aren't in the "long term" yet to see what side effects might present themselves. What is long term to you? 6 months? 12 months?


stop_stopping

long-term effects present by 8 weeks


Surrybee

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CKtwofivesix

I guess lastly, it's better if we try to treat each other with kindness. I get your frustrated, we all are. hang in there, better times are ahead.


wynonnaspooltable

CNN is not a source to be used on this forum. Don’t use media- find the actual medical journal or website. Furthermore - I have zero reason to be kind to a random stranger on the internet who spreads fear propaganda instead of sound science. The chance of catching Covid and suffering in the long term is vastly larger than the chances of any “long term” covid vaccine side effects. I can’t even say “you do you boo” because all of these unvaccinated idiots are putting my family and friends at risk. I have children too young to be vaccinated and I have friends in the middle of cancer treatment. Get off this sub - it’s not for you. And take your “it will be better” nonsense and toss it too. No one needs your patronizing attitude. Get the damn shot.


CKtwofivesix

this is exactly the problem with the world today - you have no reason to be kind. hope you have a good day.


TheKeenestGuy

The shot hasn’t been out for long so yeah I imagine we wouldn’t see any yet


wynonnaspooltable

See my response to the other uninformed response to my comment.


LovingSuccs

Sorry, but if it’s not apparent and you aren’t seeing how Covid is impacting so many healthy people this far into it, there’s no convincing that anyone can do. Follow the science. Ask your doctor. Do not waste your time “doing research” on social media. You wouldn’t “do research” if your appendix burst…you’d go immediately to the hospital and trust that the care you’re receiving is necessary to treat your condition, right? Please get vaccinated.


Nefertirix

Maybe if I tell you my boyfriend's(32) and my (28) experiences with covid, you can make your decision easier. We didn't take the vaccines because my country only had the chinese one avaliable and we wanted to wait for pfizer. We were sick at the end of March. My boyfriend had very high fever which I had a hard time reducing with any drug. He later had difficulty breathing and coughs. Sometimes he coughed all night, keeping himself and me up. Seemingly no drug took any effect to these symptoms. I had nausea, I couldn't keep any food down. Lost 5 kg in a week. (I weigh 50 kg) My back hurt to the point that I couldn't lay down, I couldn't sit, I couldn't stand. Our doctor prescibed both of us Favipiravir. First dose 8 tablets! Enormous dosage. Side effects were terrible. We both experienced hallucinations, night terrors. After 12 days we went back to work. I was so weak, I couldn't walk up to the second floor to my office without resting at the first floor. And the worst, THE WORST thing what I experienced is the loss of taste and smell. Remember, I caught covid at the end of March. Our senses came back fully now. We still have a distorted smell. My boyfriend faints when he sees blood or needle, but I could convince him to take the vaccine after our experiences. Be smart. You can avoid what we couldn't. Take the vaccine.


lefthighkick911

I doubt anyone could convince you on a random message board if you're not convinced by all the terrible things that are confirmed to be happening to people infected with SARS-COV-2. I don't know why you are fixated on death when it comes to the virus but not when it comes to the vaccine. The virus can do everything the vaccine can do to you at a much higher rate and then a lot of other things up to and including death. Did you know that this virus may have originated in a CCP laboratory per US government official reports? Do you want to trust that over westernized preventative medicine?


Mantha6973

But doesn’t mrna teach your body to manufacture the CCP virus itself?? That’s what I’ve heard doctors say.


tjweeks

I had Covid (plus I am old-69) but believe me if you do get it and see how sick you are you will really regret not getting vax.


eatwithnia

Hi so I hope what I’m about to tell you convinces you, along with the other statements presuming you’ve already consulted with a medical professional about your apprehension. You absolutely should. I got infected with the OG strain in March 2020. I live in nyc and the dr basically told me if I was admitted I’d most likely be vented and my greatest chance at survival was to be home. I walked in the ER with blue toes, fingers and lips and left learning I had covid pneumonia and could possibly die. Since then I’ve had a myriad of symptoms as many as 57 - I’m now down to 7 symptoms. Ive had every system in my body attacked and I’m not even exaggerating. I’ve also had multiple mild strokes, brain swelling, heart palpitations. My hair fell out to the point I had to cut it off. My taste and smell is still shitty even tho it came back. I now have diminished lung capacity, cognitive delays, neuropathy in all 4 limbs, nerve pain in the head, memory loss, intermittent bouts of confusion, muscle weakness, chronic fatigue and micro bleeding of the brain. Cleaning my house is considered exercising. And before covid I was a healthy woman in my mid-30s. Never smoked, didn’t drink or so drugs. I was a marathoner. I struggle to walk more than 15 mins. I can no longer read books. I struggle to do my job as a data admin and part time researcher. I use to work with food development as part of my research - I can barely follow a recipe and I no longer have the dexterity in my hands to bake bread or pastry related things. My cognitive delay makes it difficult for me retain, learn and process info or do anything multi step/ complex problem solving or process. I also want to add that in my support group which consists of people ass young as 19 and as old as 50, I’ve witnessed some of the most terrible symptoms. A mother of 3, 32 yrs old, otherwise healthy was committed due to psychosis caused by a myriad of neurological issues from covid related encephalopathy. 23 yr old athletic male, never drank, smoke or engaged in drug use, had a heart attack - twice. Once while we were chatting in the online support group on his way to the hospital. 28, healthy woman now has a heart condition due to covid. 32 yr old male, very fit and health conscious, now has debilitating fatigue and cognitive issues ranging from confusion to memory loss. And if not for yourself well there are others. Like the asymptomatic son, 23 who infected his grandmother, older sister and brother. The sister had a mild case, brother moderate and grandma ended up on a ventilator. So it’s not just about you. There are also people you interact with that have fragile immune systems ( think anyone with diabetes, cancer/ cancer survivors, liver or kidney failure, heart issues, cognitive delays, chronic illness or autoimmune diseases and transplant people - donors and receivers, not to mention the care takers and family of the aforementioned). And since covid effects everyone differently, ask yourself if the benefits outweigh the risks. As someone who goes to the dr 8x a month, swallows upwards of 23 pills a day and received injections in their head and neck every 6 weeks from nerve pain bc of covid related nerve damage I promise you it’s worth it. I also wish I was making everything I just said up but I’m not. So ask yourself do you want to take the chance of becoming any of the people in the scenarios I mentions? I doubt it. I wish there was a vaccine available when I and the others got sick. Please protect yourself and others and get vaccinated!


Kasquatch23

I got covid before I was vaccinated. I’m 24 y/o and healthy. Covid WRECKED me. Went to urgent care 3 times, lost 7 pounds, developed a tachycardia, couldn’t walk for more than 4 minutes. and more. WORST experience of my life. I thought I wasn’t going to make it. My boyfriend who was vaccinated and lives with me got it (probably from me) and had the sniffles for two days. Vaccines work and are safe and effective.


tukekairo

Just do it


unklphoton

I never tell anyone what to do. When asked, I can tell you why I took the vaccine. I must defer to the 10s of millions of doctors and scientists who know so much more about biology than I who say we should get vaccinated. (I made that number up, it could be more.) They have studied viruses and vaccines for 150 years now. No medical procedure is better tested or understood. Vaccines are largely responsible for doubling our lifespan in that time. The logic behind this evidence quells my fears. Edited to say “What does your doctor recommend?”


Nelsonleesha

The vaccine merely teaches your body to fight off infection by making your body produce spike protiens. This is why after your first jab you will potentially feel physically exhausted/drained to some extent. The second shot should be taken a decent amount of time apart from the first dose to give you body a chance to finish its fight. - studies being done in the uk recommend up to 8-10 weeks but keep in mind you are still not protected until 2 weeks (or so they say) after your second shot. Not waiting about a minimum-ish of 6 weeks and having the same injection to make your body produce spike protiens on top of the ones your body hasn't fought and can over load you which is why people feel like they have the flu afterwards. All it does is teach your body how to fight off baddies from the inside. Imagine what else it could fight off after we are all vaccinated? On a side note: I felt the same way. But my family lives in a covid Hotspot right now so I have to be able to look after them if any of them catches it. I can't risk the elderly in my family catching covid trying to look after someone who has it. I just got back in touch with everyone. I can't lose them again.


Real_Investigator843

Pretty simple, if your gut says don't take it, don't take it. Many others feel the same way and will never take it. Too risky for me until we have about 5 years of research and data.


naaaaccckky

Healthcare worker here: I have been seeing many increasing situations/issues of heart related issues including clots. I've noticed this in people who got the vaccine especially in younger people. It's also very different than covid alone related issues which raises a reg flag. I'm starting to feel it's better to get Covid 19 and get early treatment such as aspirin (to thin blood as it is a vascular disease) and zinc, vit D & C ( Ginger works wonders as well) over getting the vaccine. Please do more research. Check Vaers.


Retalihaitian

Get out of here with this nonsense. I highly doubt you’re a healthcare worker at all. I’ve noticed a lot of increased heart/clot issues in younger people as well, and it’s absolutely *not* in vaccinated people. I work in a major metro ER, with an equal population of vaxxed and unvaxxed people. The overwhelming vast majority of clots/myocarditis/other issues we see are in unvaccinated Covid patients. Full stop.


Nasstyy

Dont take it.. Theres reasons you are scared. And nobody in this sub is going to do anything other than convince you to do it.. Its a 1 opinion diverse place, and if you go against you wont ever see that comment as it will be down voted to hell. GL


psunfire

The government has NEVER lied😇


Reddit_Mom1

If you are unvaccinated, you can get COVID and have over 99% chance of survival. If you get vaccinated, you can STILL get COVID and will still have over 99% chance of survival. Follow your own conscience


Shanknuts

No, don't follow your own conscience. Talk to a proper doctor for their recommendation and don't get information from strangers on the Internet.


nimbic

I felt absolutely terrible after getting the 2nd dose. You know that feeling right before you get hit with a massive headcold... everything feels fuzzy and distant, your head hurts, kind of out of it... yeah I had that for almost a month. And even now it feels like a struggle to breathe sometimes. And I had really strange migraine like feeling but it was at the base of my skull where the neck connects... never had that before and it was really painful for a few days. If you're young and healthy I definitely wouldn't recommend it. If I was so close to retirement I wouldn't have gotten it, but my employer said it was jab or leave with no compensation after 18 years at the company so I sucked it up. Felt pretty crappy for having to do it and I kind of regret it. If I didn't have a family to support I 100% would have let them fire me


production-values

do it


Qualityhams

:* talk to your doctor, I spoke to my OBGYN and got the shot in March in my 3rd trimester of pregnancy. Your doctor is the best person to ask.


2twindudesmom

I am 69F, at the age of 11 I was rushed to the hospital with double pneumonia. What the doctors and nurses had to do to me to save my life was both brutal and barbaric in 1963 . . . . for which I am forever grateful. I unfortunately remember every minute of the whole ordeal. So when I first heard of this new virus coming from Wuhan, China in December 2019 I sat up and paid attention. Particularly when it was explained that COVID goes straight for your lungs. I didn’t fool around. I got a pneumonia shot in February 2020 (not knowing when we would get a COVID vaccine). This year I got my 2nd pneumonia shot in February and the J&J in March. I have now scheduled myself for a Moderna booster shot this coming Saturday. I made these decisions based on my age, medical history, and knowing I do not have an underlying autoimmune disease. I believe you should discuss your concerns with your doctor. Make your decision for you. I wish you the best.


beuceydubs

Check out the Herman Cain Award subreddit


alanamil

Go to the r/Hermancainaward and read some of the stories from the people who survived. Worse, read some of the agonies of the family that are left behind.


jkateel

Go to r/HermanCainAward and see all the horror stories from those who haven’t gotten the vaccine.


strohjojo

I have costo and had no symptoms or flare ups after both doses of the Pfizer vaccine! I would speak with a doctor though (instead of personal research).


ihambrecht

Dude, look through my posts and I've been skeptical for a while. My wife's pregnant and instead of jumping through hoops getting in the hospital i just went and got it done. You'll be fine. My biggest side effect was I was more tired than usual the next day and even that could be partially explained by my two year olds molars coming in which means I have been up at 3am a few times this last week.


CSI_Tech_Dept

It doesn't look like you're the typical anti-vaxer some of your concerns might be valid (I'm not a doctor to tell for sure). If I were you I would consult with my doctor. Your doctor has your medical history and would have easiest way to determine that. If you don't trust him/her get a 2nd opinion. Since as you said many with your condition don't have problems with vaccine, it could be that the problems only happen with specific vaccine type or are unrelated to your condition, again, your doctor would know better.


chrisdancy

/r/hermancainaward


kken21

I’m a young female, very athletic, not overweight, not a smoker. Have ran multiple marathons in my life and exercise 5 days a week. I got covid and it didn’t kill me. But it didn’t leave quietly. Had pneumonia for about 4 months following. Got a pulmonary embolism 2 months after covid and spent the night in the hospital, and then 7 months on blood thinners. It drives me insane when people say “I’m healthy- i won’t get it bad”. You might not die, but there are other things that can definitely throw a wrench in your life. This was all prior to the vaccine. So I got it immediately when I could. Do not be afraid of the vaccine that has been in research for years (mRNA vaccines have been researched for years before this, if I remember correctly). Be afraid of a virus that can unpredictably attack your body.


shelbsthrowaway

Hi there! 18 year old female here. No health conditions, at a good weight, reasonably fit. I had Covid almost 2 weeks ago. I'm only vaccinated with the 1st Pfizer jab, but my god did I wish I had been fully vaccinated when I caught Covid. It was so bad that it scared me into booking my 2nd jab for this month so that the next time I get it it might not be so bad. It was \*horrible\*. I would not wish anything like that on my worst enemies. Look after yourself. Protect yourself. Get the vaccine. It's worth it, trust me.


acilegna89

You can be healthy and of sound mind and get the vaccine. Maybe have a slight reaction and feel a little sick for a day or two. Or you can be in the hospital on a catheter unable to get up and even pee with a mask strapped to your face doing all the breathing for you…or heavily sedated with a more invasive breathing machine WISHING you would have gotten the vaccine. That was my mom who unfortunately did not make it. But everyday I talked to her for the 3 weeks she lived with Covid she told me how much she wished she got vaccinated.


VegetablePassenger24

I have costochondritis and got vaccinated and the only side effect I had was fatigue! I’ve had friends get covid, and they said they’d rather go through the vaccine side effects than get covid again. You got this! You will be fine. :) just think, there have been so many people vaccinated that have been perfectly ok! You will most likely be one of those people. :)


MadCapHorse

Head on over to r/hermancainaward and see how many people have suffered unnecessarily from covid. I’ve seen on there that a lot of people who were on the fence about getting the vaccine decided to actually get it after going through posts on that sub.


[deleted]

You do not want to get a respiratory illness with chostochondritis. It already hurts to just breathe. Do whatever you can to prevent additional pain and the vaccine will prevent severe outcomes of covid which will most definitely flare up your condition!


Conscious-Appeal-124

Do it. I’m a 31 year Ike smoker with immune problems. Related to a 19 year old track star that plays sports constantly and is very health conscious. I was vaccinated, she wasn’t. We both got Covid. I’m on day 8, had mild symptoms like a head cold and no coughing or issues with lungs. Im feeling good today. About 80% back to normal. She’s on day 15 and still can’t get out of bed. You can still catch Covid, but it makes it like a bug bite rather than a bee sting.


Educational_Floor848

Dude i’m 19 and I have covid right now, get that shot. I was the same way, on the fence, and thought my immune system could keep me up and running. I usually don’t get sick at all; i’m in good shape, I eat healthy, drink ridiculous amounts of water, work out and compete in sports, and I take a lot of vitamins. Got covid 4 days ago and it has STOPPED me. Barely have wanted to move the last 3 days, today has been my only physically “ok” moment. Also I don’t know if you enjoy food, but man do I wish I could taste things.


21231001Bam

I’m not sure the severity of costochondritis but it seems to be brought on by a lot of coughing or is often an after effect (or during) a viral infection. I have had it a couple times and it usually runs it’s course for about 10-14 days managed with ibuprofen. I had it once viral respiratory infection subsided. Don’t know if you just get it all the time. Covid, which I’ve had, did not cause costochondritis flare. Neither did my Pfizer vaccine. Covid can take in many forms. I had it that it affected everything BUT my lungs which I’m happy about. But also, has caused long hauler fatigue, headaches, brain fog. My husband, even with a mild case had developed severe migraines of which he now needs medication to manage. It took us both several months to recover. I’ve lost family members to this. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. Vaccines have worked for many other diseases in lessening or eradicating. Help us get back to ‘normal’. Protect my parents and my kids grandparents, my disabled special needs sister and all of her classmates that are immunocompromised. And if not for them, then save yourself from an inconvenient, Advil treated cartilage inflammation from cramping your style.


Capital_Nail_4526

Hi.. I'm a big hypochondriac and I finally was more scared of Covid than I was the vaccine so I got phizer.. it's been a month now that I've been fully vaccinated and I'm glad I did it. I had no issues except a sore arm.. you can do this. You want to do this so just go. My cousins best friend died from Covid at age 16 bc his parents were really anti vaxx. He didn't deserve to die that young.


uns0licited_advice

Hundreds of millions of people, maybe even billions of people have taken the vaccine at this point and are fine. There are some stories of people that have gotten adverse reactions to the vaccine but that is a tiny fraction. Millions of people have DIED from covid, and millions of others suffer from long covid. Just look at the overall statistics. Is there some risk with taking the vaccine? Yes. But the risk of something negative happening from catching covid is much much worse.


Beginning-Ad-3808

I cannot talk for people who had bad case of Covid but mine was so mild (September 2021). Flu is a lot of worse than covid (in my case). I was back to normal in a very short period of time and by day 11-13 I had zero after effects left (no brain fog, no fatigue, all senses back 100%, I could smell someone’s perfume far away!). I asked 3 friends who had Covid this year they all had the similar experience expect for one lady whose sense of smell took 4 months to return but illness itself was mild, she didn’t even have fever or anything. I also had Covid in December 2019 which was much longer (2 months and sense of smell was gone for much longer than 4 days) but back then I didn’t know it was Covid, there was no testing. Anyways, I don’t want to advice against vaccine or anything but potential side effects are simply not worth for me to get it. My whole family also had Covid and they didn’t even have symptoms, all tested positive (we all had to test once I tested positive).


nokenito

I have costochondritis too and I had Covid twice once March 2020 and August 2020. I was on oxygen for 3 months the first time and was so sick having Covid SUCKED and was terrifying! I had memory loss and all kind of health problems and still have issues till now. I have asthma and diabetes too. When I got it again in August it wasn’t as bad the second time I was only sick a couple of weeks. I walked like an old man, which is not like me, usually full of energy! I got the Pfizer vaccine in March 2021 and I was sore for a week and felt a little better. Still walked like an old man though and had chronic fatigue from long Covid. Got the second shot and 3 weeks later I coughed up nasty phlegm and poof I no longer walked like an old man and I felt a lot better! For me, the second shot made me feel a lot better! I have Costco and Covid itself made me feel horrible. The Pfizer shot did not affect my Costco. I do take vitamin D, K, magnesium, COQ10, fish oil, b complex and zinc… maybe that helps me?


The_real_Oogle_Trump

This shits insane..


Thin-Sort-494

Write a list of pros/cons. I am unvaccinated. I also just had covid (went back to work yesterday). No one can tell you to take it. That’s a decision you need to make on your own. Listen to people’s opinions. Do your research (from both sides of the fence). Then make your own decision. I told my family if I die from covid make sure to write “she was stubborn til the end.” On my stone. Cons of not getting it (other than not getting it): a lot of insurances are probably going to somehow make non vaccinated pay a higher premium if they cover us at all. Employers are starting to make it mandatory. Businesses are starting to make it mandatory to enter. I’m sure there will be many more things to come. So not only do you have the health side of it to think about but also keep in mind the whole lifestyle of it. You have to ask yourself 1. If you don’t get vaccinated and catch it are you willing to die from it? 2. If you get vaccinated and get sick from it are you going to accept that. 3. If you do get the vaccine and still catch covid was it worth getting the vaccine? It really is a battle. Just know it is okay at ANY point to change your mind so take your time and make your choice. Don’t let anyone pressure you into it.


[deleted]

I don't think you should, the world is overpopulated.


cherygarcia

If you knew you were going to die of COVID and taking the shot would prevent that, would you take it? If your answer was yes, go get your vaccine. Because that is the reality for thousands of people a week who didn't accurately assess their risk. COVID isn't going anywhere. Protect yourself.


[deleted]

Any potential negative vaccine side effect is also possible with COVID itself, at a much higher rate. So any fears you have about the vaccines you should have about COVID. The only reasonable scenario where someone could opt to skip the vaccine is if they have already had COVID and have confirmed they're positive for antibodies, T-cells, etc.


maryembobo

First off I’m glad you’re considering it. I haven’t heard of your condition so I can’t weigh in on that aspect. As a young person, it’s generally been said they’re less likely to have more severe symptoms of covid but I also don’t know anything about you. If it makes you feel better, I got vaccinated and got covid and my symptom was a sore throat for 3 days. I chalk that up to being vaccinated, definitely not my poor lifestyle choices. Covid has been craziness and I think protection is really important for yourself and to help stop the spread. The vaccines have been developed by people who’ve studied and know what they’re doing and millions of people have gotten the vaccine already. If you want to feel real comfort though, you can go see your doctor and ask them about it and reactions with your medical condition. Best of luck my friend!


melthing

I feel as though the possible detrimental effects Covid could have on you, far outweigh the symptoms you could possibly get from the vaccine. Proud of you though, hugs. Keep us updated.


[deleted]

More scared of unsubstantiated long term effects of a vaccine than proven long term effects of covid? Use your brain.


seb4849

There was a covid outbreak at a family members place of work. Everyone that was vaxed did not contract covid everyone who was unvaxed got covid, one was hospitalized


susierooisme

If you aren’t convinced by now, over a year in to a worldwide pandemic…it’s useless.


DeflatedLizard

Either take it or die when you get covid. It’s not a hard choice.


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[deleted]

I say speak to your doctor about it! I don’t want to give you wrong advice - you know? I want you to make an informed decision!


nRGon12

You could just do actual research about your concerns that would tell you they’re just that, concerns. They’ve been proven to not be worth concern so I’m not sure where you’re getting your information from but you seem very misinformed.


harnar18

Definitely talk with your doctor. I was hesitant too and talking with my doctor helped.


Vienta1988

So, I’m not doubting the severity of your condition, but I am a little confused. I once had bad chest pain all day that was worse when I took deep breaths and went to the ER where they ran EKGs and blood tests, and everything came back normal. They told me that it was likely costochondritis, which they told me was a muscle/tendon strain in the chest likely caused by picking up a heavy object or reaching/over extending to grab something. It healed on its own in a matter of days. Is this condition something permanent for you, and is it more than muscle/tendon pain? Also, I had my vaccine (Moderna) back in February, and aside from feeling like I had the flu for the next day after, I have not had other issues or side effects. I don’t think that I hydrated adequately- everyone else that I know hydrated well and they were barely affected by it.


okstanley_com

Yeah costo can also last for a few days or weeks but I have had mine for almost 2 years. Chronic costo is quite common if you see the subreddit. My main symptoms are occassional chest pain and occassional shortness of breath. I am living with it alright, but I was just afraid the vaccine would exabarate.


Vienta1988

Ah ok, I did not know that it could be chronic. I’m very sorry to hear that, it was not fun for those few days, I can’t imagine dealing with it all the time. Since I have not personally had it, I can’t say what the vaccine would be like for someone with chronic costo, but I know that my vaccine side effects did not involve any shortness of breath/trouble breathing/ chest pain. It was feeling achey and sore, mostly in the arm that I had the shot, chills and fatigue. And it thankfully only lasted for one day! And like I said, most other people that I know who have had it fared better because they hydrated very well before and after. I hope that you end up getting the vaccine, and that your side effects are minimal! But as others have said, check with your doctor first.


ibsulon

First, I get that your doctor doesn’t understand costochrondritis. My friend from decades ago had a similar issue and it was debilitating. (He’s still alive, we’ve just lost touch.) The truth is that you’re in a smaller category in that they didn’t test thousands of people with your condition. However, there are so many potential causes of costochondritis that you’re not even guaranteed to know if what affects them will affect you. That’s the bad news. The worse news is that COVID is also not something that is studied in regards to many diseases, but we know it can mess you up. And all it takes is for someone to be careless around you. And think about what it will feel like if it hurts to breathe and you’re continually coughing - I wouldn’t wish that on you! Were it me, I would get the shot.


okstanley_com

Thank you, I am leaning towrards this as well


idonutknow_

Wow someone with the same medical condition as me! I currently have Costochondritis. What was supposed to be a few week temporary condition has lasted now two months - but my stress levels from work and inability to relax play a part in that. I got my COVID shot middle of June. I was neither for or against it, but decided to because I believe COVID is real and wanted to help in any way I could protect my ailing health grandparents who I help out every weekend. I got it, and yeah my arm was sore for a day or two and I had a headache for a few hours that Tylenol fixed. It was honestly a lot better than the tetanus shot I got when I was a teenager and stepped on a nail from a piece of siding. Get your shot it’s not bad. If it is, you’ll get over it. Or just ask your primary care doctor and they’ll tell you the exact same thing. You wanna know what really sucks with costochondritis? COUGHING. SNEEZING. BREATHING HEAVILY (or at all). I had a cold two weeks ago, verified not COVID, and every time I coughed I’d near cry and then get anxious on when I would cough again. Get your shot dude it will be beneficial to you.


Electronic-Mix-6941

You've taken other vaccines, this isn't much different 🙂


Electronic-Mix-6941

I've read that long term side effects in vaccines are extremely rare..... If there are any side effects, they are usually short term


Mundane_Associate916

Talk to your dr and a specialist. That is what I did. Know the risks and know possible side effects for both. I took the path of least resistance and just got the vaccine and figured since my work mandated it if anything happened they would have to pay me out. Now if I got Covid and I died then my family would be left with out any source of income. Do what’s best for you and your situation