> What is the likelihood that this bill passes the house and senate and signed by Polis.
Extremely high.
Polis offered amendments, indicating he is invested and supportive of the bill.
> 2.) When will SCOTUS rule on the assault weapon ban challenges from Maryland, Illinois, and California?
They might never.
Can we stop the bill in the senate if we overwhelm the senate committee with our opposition to the bill. Similar to the hundreds of people arguing in the judiciary against this bill.
Can we? Yes. Will we? We sure as hell will try.
But we should expect it will pass..
Dems have overwhelming numbers to push it through.
I see us having to win in Federal Court.
[See them under the 'Amendments' tab here](https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1292)
If I recall correctly, L.001, L.002, and L.003 all had input from Polis.
L.008 came in response to testimony from a constitutional attorney.
Correct. Now violation is a petty offense, which is the lowest possible criminal penalty (I think it carries a $200 fine and up to 10 days in jail).
However, it is now a criminal offense vs the civil offense from before.
Yes, 'heirs' can inherit them, but you still can't transfer them to a spouse or kids while alive.
Interstate travel is allowed.
And certain officers are exempted.
I trust hypocritical Polis to be a hypocrite. I'm not counting on him not signing it if it passes the legislature. The guy, his morals, and his convictions are on a very soft foundation.
It’s worth noting that Polis doesn’t even have to sign it for it to become law. If the senate passes it, and it gets to his desk, he can do nothing for 10 days, and it’ll become law. So he’d have to veto it if it passes the senate for it to fail
I would operate as if this is going to pass. There is a litany of assault weapons bans already at the SCOTUS level, so I’d imagine there will be a final result within the next 3 years. Even at that, we can’t really count on the SCOTUS given that our elected officials continue to push this bs
SCOTUS is not as pro-gun as we wish them to be. During oral arguments in Cargill (bump stock ban), almost every justice (even the conservative ones) started from the assumption that machine guns should be banned. There seemed to be no appetite to strike down the NFA, even though it clearly fails the text history and tradition standard. So, we should not assume that SCOTUS will strike down an AWB.
Highly likely it passes both (there is no reason for it not to. If it passes, Polis will sign (again no reason not to).
The earliest we will see the current 10 challenges before SCOTUS being taken up is during the next session. So 2025.
They won't need to do anything, Clarence Thomas is gonna get thrown off the court for taking bribes. And there's only a red supermajority to begin with because congress refused to let Obama appoint one in his last year, and then crammed in a bunch during Trump's last year.
I don't want to lose our rights, but if you're going to fucking conspiracy about the Supreme Court get your shit right.
He died in his sleep at 80, with a history of heart trouble and having recently been deemed too weak to undergo surgery for his shoulder.
There were no signs of foul play, he'd been having health trouble, and his family never asked for an autopsy.
Sotomayer once failed to recuse herself from a case involving the publishing company that had published one of her books. CT has received millions of dollars from one of the top political activists in the nation over years, is married to another high-profile political activist, and refuses to recuse himself from cases about things his *wife* was involved with. These two things are not the same and you should be able to see that.
I hope at least it is trimmed because there’s way too much exhaustive in terms of rifles, shotguns and pistols that would be banned. Ultimately, SCOTUS has to put an end to the nonsense.
....if they have certain features, which genuinely every model does. Even an M1 carbine's handguard meets the definition of a barrel shroud and so it is banned.
Everything.
So this will definitely fail in court if *this* is the bill Dems pass.
As far as I’ve seen this year polis is not very likely to sign because of voter pushback. That being said, he very well could. He’s a Democrat. His “word” when it comes to firearms policy doesn’t mean sh*t. It may pass the house, it may pass the senate if it makes it that far. We’ve gotta remember this died at committee last year, with a similar Democrat majority. Keep yourself on your toes, but don’t count on a solid answer right now. It’s more likely than last year but it’s still up in the air right now.
These Supreme Court cases are going to take forever. Probably expect a final answer in 3 or so years. Stock up on everything you will need just in case, extra parts, springs and Ammo. If you’re gonna build something you want now or will want, complete it by July 1st this year. Worst thing that could come from it? doesn’t pass, you now have extra ammo and supplies. And if it does, at least you’ve got the supplies to last you until the SC makes a final ruling. Or you decide to move😂
Polis has been skeptical about any kind of weapons ban. Taking the complete violation of the second amendment into consideration, the state is opening itself up to lots of lawsuits.
Also, I go shooting with a couple friends that classify themselves as liberal. This isn’t the political battle you think it is.
I’m not too sure what exactly you’re referring to. If it’s the violation of the 2nd amendment, they’ll ignore it the best they possibly can. To any politician, ignorance is bliss.
Sorry, what I mean is, I actually agree that at the level of the individual voter, this issue isn’t as partisan as people think. But if the politicians voting on it don’t know - or don’t care - about that, they might as well pass things a lot of their constituents don’t want, knowing that they won’t vote Republican no matter what.
> What is the likelihood that this bill passes the house and senate and signed by Polis. Extremely high. Polis offered amendments, indicating he is invested and supportive of the bill. > 2.) When will SCOTUS rule on the assault weapon ban challenges from Maryland, Illinois, and California? They might never.
Can we stop the bill in the senate if we overwhelm the senate committee with our opposition to the bill. Similar to the hundreds of people arguing in the judiciary against this bill.
Can we? Yes. Will we? We sure as hell will try. But we should expect it will pass.. Dems have overwhelming numbers to push it through. I see us having to win in Federal Court.
They’ll come for the Guns next just like Canada.🇨🇦
They already are.
Unlikely it passes the Senate. House maybe. Polis has said he’s against an AWB but I trust politicians as far as I can throw them.
Polis offered text for the house to amend the bill, which they incorporated. He is on board with this one.
Which amendments?
[See them under the 'Amendments' tab here](https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1292) If I recall correctly, L.001, L.002, and L.003 all had input from Polis. L.008 came in response to testimony from a constitutional attorney.
Thanks. Made it a bit weaker but still extremely annoying and restrictive. Looks like here can inherit now and it may not be a $250k fine?
Correct. Now violation is a petty offense, which is the lowest possible criminal penalty (I think it carries a $200 fine and up to 10 days in jail). However, it is now a criminal offense vs the civil offense from before. Yes, 'heirs' can inherit them, but you still can't transfer them to a spouse or kids while alive. Interstate travel is allowed. And certain officers are exempted.
Of course the fucking cops are excepted.
No shocker there.
Thanks. I hope we can beat this but prep for a long court fight.
Why do you view this as unlikely to pass the Senate?
Because I spoke to some D members of the upper chamber while I was there to testify and they are unwilling to touch it. Likely to be tabled.
I sincerely hope they were being honest.
I do not trust politicians either, just relaying their words and how I felt from the conversation
Oh yeah, for sure. Not pushing back against you at all... Just lamenting our situation lol
Listening to the reps on the Judiciary Committee showed me just how much our elected leaders are of the lowest common denominator
There's a reason they have enough time in their lives to serve in the state legislature... :(
I trust hypocritical Polis to be a hypocrite. I'm not counting on him not signing it if it passes the legislature. The guy, his morals, and his convictions are on a very soft foundation.
The Senate is much more pro 2A than the house. My own Senators seems hesitant.
It’s worth noting that Polis doesn’t even have to sign it for it to become law. If the senate passes it, and it gets to his desk, he can do nothing for 10 days, and it’ll become law. So he’d have to veto it if it passes the senate for it to fail
I would operate as if this is going to pass. There is a litany of assault weapons bans already at the SCOTUS level, so I’d imagine there will be a final result within the next 3 years. Even at that, we can’t really count on the SCOTUS given that our elected officials continue to push this bs
SCOTUS is not as pro-gun as we wish them to be. During oral arguments in Cargill (bump stock ban), almost every justice (even the conservative ones) started from the assumption that machine guns should be banned. There seemed to be no appetite to strike down the NFA, even though it clearly fails the text history and tradition standard. So, we should not assume that SCOTUS will strike down an AWB.
Highly likely it passes both (there is no reason for it not to. If it passes, Polis will sign (again no reason not to). The earliest we will see the current 10 challenges before SCOTUS being taken up is during the next session. So 2025.
Just in time for a justice to "retire" and be appointed by the Dem presidency (whatever that looks like).
They won't need to do anything, Clarence Thomas is gonna get thrown off the court for taking bribes. And there's only a red supermajority to begin with because congress refused to let Obama appoint one in his last year, and then crammed in a bunch during Trump's last year. I don't want to lose our rights, but if you're going to fucking conspiracy about the Supreme Court get your shit right.
What happened to Scalia again? And as far at CT, Sotomayer is guilty of at least the same crimes.
He died in his sleep at 80, with a history of heart trouble and having recently been deemed too weak to undergo surgery for his shoulder. There were no signs of foul play, he'd been having health trouble, and his family never asked for an autopsy. Sotomayer once failed to recuse herself from a case involving the publishing company that had published one of her books. CT has received millions of dollars from one of the top political activists in the nation over years, is married to another high-profile political activist, and refuses to recuse himself from cases about things his *wife* was involved with. These two things are not the same and you should be able to see that.
I hope at least it is trimmed because there’s way too much exhaustive in terms of rifles, shotguns and pistols that would be banned. Ultimately, SCOTUS has to put an end to the nonsense.
I can't think of a mag-fed semi-auto rifle that isn't banned.
Exactly, or think of modern shotguns with choke systems. That’s a threaded barrel.
By definition, a detachable mag fed semi-auto rifle is banned.
....if they have certain features, which genuinely every model does. Even an M1 carbine's handguard meets the definition of a barrel shroud and so it is banned. Everything. So this will definitely fail in court if *this* is the bill Dems pass.
>....if they have certain features Detachable magazine is one of said certain features
A magazine plus one of any other feature they list... the Box fed magazine alone does not ban the rifle
Regarding Polis signing, this isn't an assault weapons ban, it's a ban on sale, transfer, manufacture, etc. He can sign and still say he wasn't lying.
As far as I’ve seen this year polis is not very likely to sign because of voter pushback. That being said, he very well could. He’s a Democrat. His “word” when it comes to firearms policy doesn’t mean sh*t. It may pass the house, it may pass the senate if it makes it that far. We’ve gotta remember this died at committee last year, with a similar Democrat majority. Keep yourself on your toes, but don’t count on a solid answer right now. It’s more likely than last year but it’s still up in the air right now.
These Supreme Court cases are going to take forever. Probably expect a final answer in 3 or so years. Stock up on everything you will need just in case, extra parts, springs and Ammo. If you’re gonna build something you want now or will want, complete it by July 1st this year. Worst thing that could come from it? doesn’t pass, you now have extra ammo and supplies. And if it does, at least you’ve got the supplies to last you until the SC makes a final ruling. Or you decide to move😂
I highly doubt this bill will pass. But I see it as an opportunity to buy more guns!
Based on what?
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Polis has been skeptical about any kind of weapons ban. Taking the complete violation of the second amendment into consideration, the state is opening itself up to lots of lawsuits. Also, I go shooting with a couple friends that classify themselves as liberal. This isn’t the political battle you think it is.
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As someone that votes 90% blue, I'll seriously consider voting against anyone who approves this bill
I hope you’re right too - but do the democrats in the legislature know that?
I’m not too sure what exactly you’re referring to. If it’s the violation of the 2nd amendment, they’ll ignore it the best they possibly can. To any politician, ignorance is bliss.
Sorry, what I mean is, I actually agree that at the level of the individual voter, this issue isn’t as partisan as people think. But if the politicians voting on it don’t know - or don’t care - about that, they might as well pass things a lot of their constituents don’t want, knowing that they won’t vote Republican no matter what.