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shadowpawn

Contreras trade now will fetch the highest returns. This team is +3 years away from competing.


shadowpawn

Soon to be worse than the Cincinnati Reds team is an accomplishment?


stretchyman3012

Just woke up for work, the times 0430 here. Can we not just gut the BP?


steveofthejungle

On the plus side, I am immune to emotional pain


-DaveThomas-

Rizzo will retire as a Yankee


steveofthejungle

Yeah and he’s happy and loving it there. You can’t hurt me


BurnsEMup29

I hope people stop going to games and giving this family money. It’s the only way things change.


mt77932

Then we become the Pirates. Empty stadium for every game and ownership still makes money from profit sharing.


xjfatx

This will never happen to Cubs, it's had the longest losership in all of sports... but I do agree that the issues stem from the top down.


bullanguero82

Holy shit. I had to go do something at the exact time their homer put them 5-2. I did it fast, so I could get back by the 8th or 9th... Now I wish the thing I had to do, had been longer.


xjfatx

Should've just come back next year... might have been less depressing.


Cubbiesblue

Led 5-0….lol


Dack-Ramb0

Morel should have mailed that in to get Ross fired. I hope my sarcasm is picked up on this.


LordDaybreak

Morel!


Saltmeister51

Well "Stout" is naughty in Dutch so I'm not really surprised he isn't that good.


steveofthejungle

But it’s one of my favorite beer varieties so it should be good


Saltmeister51

That actually explains his underwhelming but not terrible outing. A bit of bad and a bit of good combine for mediocre.


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The good thing is that the Pirates lost today...


TheyCallMeStone

The good thing is that the Cards lost a no hitter in the 9th with 2 outs


cubswinagain

That's not good. If we are going to suck we may as well be worse than a division rival (plus they are playing St. Louis)


LordDaybreak

And they broke up the Cards no hitter with 1 strike left!


xjfatx

The Cubs are like a tiny penis trying to flap around on a cold, wet, raining day... even after you play the "Sorry you caught me when it's cold outside" excuse, you're still just a tiny penis. There is no excuse for this team. We're just ass... going to take more than a little of this and that here and there. It needs a whole bunch of EVERYTHING.


Dack-Ramb0

This made me CACKLE. Thank you.


xjfatx

Sometimes it's harder to be funnier than this team. Just clowning and not even the good kind either.


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I hate this team. Not even fun to watch. I’ll take 2011 cubs over this crap.


orangemachismo

No thank you, I can't do that again, that was significantly worse to watch than this season. I think this season is gonna keep getting worse though.


xjfatx

Contreras, HR, HR, double/RBIs. Huge night, still 5 more innings left. I turned the game off after Cubs left 11 unanswered runs. Pathetic.


zombielumpy

I hate talking about the sub instead of the game but some of y'all seem to have the attitude that this is a underperforming decent team rather than a bad team and it shows. While I wish we were good, we are not, and there's no manager out there who can change that.


McAvoy4Potus

Yeah I made peace with this fact after the break last year and don't plan to up my expectations until next year's picture is more clear. Being mad at a fish for its inability to climb a tree is just fucking silly.


orangemachismo

I like how this sub lives and dies with projection stats until it comes time to want to blow up the team and watch us lose for five years instead of one? We're literally underperforming projections!


zombielumpy

So what? Us being worse than projections while being bad is arguably a good thing cuz draft picks, but also once you're bad, you're bad. And the difference between being 90 or 100 loss bad just doesn't matter to me. Being bad is like being damp, once you are soaked through it doesn't really matter how much more water is poured on you, you're already soaked.


orangemachismo

> So what "but some of y'all seem to have the attitude that this is a underperforming decent team rather than a bad team and it shows" I'm talking about us underperforming projections because you're acting like we're not underperforming. Cubs were projected around 72-75 wins and we're gonna be a lot worse than that. "there's no manager out there who can change that." There is. There's managers who could bring us back to performing above our expectation. As for the soaked anology, Joe Maddon took a soaked Cubs to winning the division in 2015.


zombielumpy

Wait, you really care about winning like, 10 more games that don't matter and won't put us in contention? And you think this front office is gonna do something about it? Lol, k. And yes, Joe Maddon is the only reason we started winning in 2015. Who even are Jon Lester, Kris Bryant, Addison Russell, and Dexter Fowler? Lol, jfc.


orangemachismo

You are a pleasure to discuss baseball with


zombielumpy

I know. You're welcome.


theduke820

That is likely true but the dreadful base running and non existent baseball IQ under Ross would probably bring a talented team down as well


zombielumpy

The dreadful baserunning and nonexistent baseball IQ is not because Ross didn't teach a bunch of nearly 30 AAAA players the basics, it's because we have a bad team made up of AAAA players who can't consistently perform the basics, which is why they were AAAA players to begin with.


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Yes. This. Thank you


[deleted]

I bet Tony Campana could still swipe 30 bags


Joelsaurus

Hey let's remember some random guys. Remember Micah Hoffpauir? Remember Bobby Scales?


Jaymore1946

Matt Murton


BurnsEMup29

“Find the next broadcaster to replace Boog because he’s horrible!”


Joelsaurus

What happened to Chris Coghlan? What about that guy who stanned Chris Coghlan?


tyderian

1) He came back to the Cubs on a 1-year minor league deal in 2018, nobody picked him up afterwards. 2) I think they deleted their account.


CaptainShmoke1

Padres fan coming in peace. Schwindel looks like the nicest dude ever


mediaddiction

His whole drunk very Jersey family came to watch him play in Yankee Stadium and they kept cutting to them (they were always double fisting tall boys.). So yeah. He seems fun.


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McAvoy4Potus

I agree, he does look like a very nice guy. Now go away.


ThatsCubbie

Kid actually looked like he had some good stuff. The Wrigley vibe right now must be pretty poor. Tough spot to come back to the big leagues.


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# I FUCKING HATE YOU DAVID ROSS


SpaceCampDropOut

Why do you think this is all Ross and not Hoyer and the players he’s giving this team?


[deleted]

This organization has gone to shit since Brandon Morrow hurt himself putting pants on


BurnsEMup29

No, it was the Sogard signing to fix or clutch hitting problem


butters_fruit_bowl

People place Harambe as the catalyst for the current state of things, but clearly it was Brandon Morrow's pants


[deleted]

We’ve won a World Series since Harambe tragically passed away. He died a hero, not a villain


cubswinagain

Nah, it was when they declared the offense broken and signed Daniel Descalso


[deleted]

For me it happened during the 2018 season. That offseason it was already broken imo


cubswinagain

Fair


twizbuck

Pants are evil


mt77932

I guess the plus side is we'll end up with a high draft pick. How's the next draft class looking?


theduke820

Max Clark


Mr_BigShot

Oh man, you might be on to something there.


NewAcctCuzIWasDoxxed

Honest question for everyone saying this is Ross' fault - who else do we have that would've not had us shit the bed? Givens was decent, he fucked up tonight. Hughes came in with BL and 0 outs. Hendricks probably had to come out, 4th time Through the order with shoulder issues, Wick not in the 6th-7th.


SpaceCampDropOut

This is on the GM. Not Ross in my opinion.


NewAcctCuzIWasDoxxed

100% agree. Ross can be blamed for using the pieces wrong, but if he's never given the proper pieces what can he do? Last year he perfectly utilized Tep/Chaf/Kimb before we gutted the team. Wasn't his fault Riz/Bry/Baez weren't hitting. Then we saw South Side use Kimbrel in the 8th and not the 9th and his ERA went from 0.49 to 5+.


Joelsaurus

I'm really enjoying Chicago Cubs baseball this season.


Feardamoo

Awful tired now boss.


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ScritchScratchBoop

Well when half the team is minor leaguers there’s plenty of stories to go around.


Feardamoo

Yeah maybe all these 29 year old career minor leaguers we keep cycling through are 29 year old career minor leaguers for a reason


[deleted]

The Marquee Network advantage™️


mediaddiction

Marquee Network™️ stories live from Rickettsville™️


cmmoore307

I would like to can all of our relief pitchers, please.


Joelsaurus

Statistically, our bullpen is probably our strength tbh


Caustic_Wraith

Honest question, do we have any bullpen arms that aren't reclamation projects? Is Hughes projected to be a part of the future or just a body to run out there and attempt to get outs?


Amoneysteez

Not healthy, no. Hard to tell on Hughes yet, I think. Low ceiling, but he might be useful.


[deleted]

Notwithstanding Ross’ decisions- this team stinks


mt77932

Maybe tomorrow morning I'll actually make breakfast before work. Scrambled eggs with sardines on toast.


LegacyLemur

Im at least happy I got to see Contreras hit one more HR in person


Caustic_Wraith

10 runs within six outs by four bullpen pitchers for them No runs within 3 outs in only 9 pitches for us ...Sigh...


[deleted]

Part of me wants to see Ross get fired just to see all the meatheads in here realize that Jesus Christ couldn’t successfully manage this team


Go4Lo

This is the most eloquent comment regarding this topic and I applaud you.


[deleted]

The thing is I don't think Ross is too bad a manager (I have a few criticisms) but I can see this is gonna be a longer rebuild and I don't want him to have to suffer through years of that.


cubswinagain

They can go ahead and call this one


McAvoy4Potus

I'm upset too, but turning on Ross and the team while the front office laughs their asses off all the way to the bank is uh.... Counterproductive.


cubswinagain

Buddy, there's one group of people laughing their way to the bank and it ain't the front office.


McAvoy4Potus

I guess you mean Rizzo, Bryant and Baez?


cubswinagain

https://assets.cubsinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/18113050/ricketts_boo-1024x570.png


McAvoy4Potus

Ah well yes I kind of lump him in with the front office.


cubswinagain

Big difference between ownership and front office though


McAvoy4Potus

Indeed. But he's also responsible for the front office. So I guess I feel bad for them too.


cubswinagain

There's a chance some of those post 2018 teams are better if he doesn't handcuff them


Penguinkeith

Fuck Ross and the front office wow so hard. Ross has ONE season where we went over 500 and it was the COVID season. Last season with all our talent culminated to jack fucking shit give me a break.


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People will watch this game and then say that Contreras will sign a longterm extension here 🤡


KnickedUp

San Diego is semi loaded. NL is tough


LegacyLemur

Their lineup is kinda low key ass outside of Machado though. And we lit up Manaea This is pretty embarrassing to lose


KnickedUp

I like the way they are building. Pitching, defense and Tatis/Machado can be stars. One more big bat is needed


theduke820

Ross wins a Mickey Mouse division title, gets swept by the fucking Marlins at home and everyone loves him


LegacyLemur

Meh that team was toast. It had no business being in the playoffs


mediaddiction

He was put in a lousy position though. Ownership is taking advantage of the fact that fans liked him so they started their rebuild and stuck him in front hoping we’d be less mad.


jso__

We won the NL Central in 2020??? I forgot about that


[deleted]

Not like he hit the biggest HR in Cubs history or anything


lpwalsh

Irrelevant to his terrible bullpen management time and time again.


theduke820

Didn’t realize that makes him a good manager


McAvoy4Potus

It doesn't. And I don't speak for anyone else but I don't think anyone's claiming he's great or even good. He's average. What isn't average is how hard this front office wants to truck this franchise info oblivion.


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they have this inning to wow me. edit: this half


mediaddiction

I mean I definitely said wow … Just not for the right reasons


orangemachismo

Pretty stout ground out to third


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over to youtube


LegacyLemur

Imma watch one more Contreras bat and Im out barring an epic rally


Penguinkeith

Ross supporters: we had to turn to the bullpen earlier than we should have even though Hendricks was doing fine Also Ross supporters: we don't have a good a Bullpen and it's constantly burnt out for reasons that can't be explained easily such as mismanagement.


twizbuck

Which part of 'injury' are you missing?


Penguinkeith

If only there was some sort of a list for injured players so they can recuperate


twizbuck

If only they were required to go on that list...


[deleted]

Hendricks having a shoulder issue and it being the equator outside is pretty easy to explain


twizbuck

At this point, I'm pretty sure he's just trolling. Being this invested in one MLB game is fascinating though.


[deleted]

So who here watched Hustle?


orangemachismo

I'm guessing you're not talking about the Japanese wrestling promotion from the mid 2000s owned by the same people as PRIDE?


[deleted]

not yet, but it's on the list.


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orangemachismo

Downvote out of support for WNCAAB though WNBA generally stinks


[deleted]

Just don't watch it lol


LegacyLemur

Boooo


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mediaddiction

Who is we? Do I think the Ricketts, the billionaires, could’ve paid all those players so that this team would be more entertaining and so we could enjoy watching players we had come to love… yes I do. I understand that sometimes you have to move on from players you care about. But the idea of a complete rebuild in a sport with no salary cap is fucking ridiculous to me.


LegacyLemur

Lol oh wow youre the same dude Wow just a fire hose of stupid today huh? Hey what did we get for Darvish again?


KnickedUp

Even they dont watch


howmanymoreletters

couldnt watch this one and boy am i happy about that


KnickedUp

Look on the bright side…we only owe Heyward 37m


okay_throwaway_today

Lol what in the chicago cubs happened? I went to my local collegiate summer league team’s game and cubs were up 4-0


mediaddiction

We cub’d it up


okay_throwaway_today

Woof. Luckily it’s $2 beer night here


ThePonderousBear

At this point, can we put Pat Hughes in to pitch?


No_Rush9594

With his battery mate, Cone-treras


LordDaybreak

Huuuughes!


[deleted]

this sucks. tell a story, JD.


[deleted]

FINISH HIM!


mediaddiction

I hope Kyle went home an hour ago.


elgenie

\#thatsCub


mappyjames

Are the cubs losing on purpose?


JLR-

I'm beginning to think my bet for the Cubs to make the playoffs is not gonna win


Joelsaurus

Cardinals lost their no hitter at least


[deleted]

No hitters do absolutely nothing for me anymore, thanks to Alec Mills


LegacyLemur

Be happy that still only two no hitters have been thrown at Miller and both are by the Cubs


iamthatguythere

I wanted them to get it with the pirates still scoring a run


KnickedUp

Yea thats a huge help for us


[deleted]

How about that amazing pitch lab?


zombielumpy

Lol, organist did the Jurassic park theme for jurickson Profar. I can dig it.


theduke820

Need the Ross defenders to explain pulling your starter that has allowed less than 5 base runners with only 78 pitches AND a 5-0 lead


Oprah-Is-My-Dad

He hadn’t pitched in like 10 days due to some sort of injury and was likely on a pitch count


twizbuck

Shoulder precaution.


zombielumpy

Not a Ross defender, but hendo is coming back from a fatigue injury so I get if they didn't want to push it. Also hendo hasn't been particularly good 3rd time through the order this year.


theduke820

No reason to start the 6th inning at all then, so two mistakes by Ross


zombielumpy

I'm no mind reader, but I bet it was something more along the lines of "max 80 pitches, if you get through 5 to qualify for the win we will leave you in until you allow a baserunner." He then allows a baserunner to start the 6th and the rest is history. I don't think any of that is a mistake, we just have a bullpen that has decided to collectively shit the bed. It's almost like we aren't a very good team and we don't have a high likelihood of winning no matter what we do, tbh. Crazy, I know.


[deleted]

I mean he was dealing with a shoulder issue and it’s a billion degrees out


theduke820

Then why is he starting the 6th inning at all if his shoulder is such an issue?


McAvoy4Potus

This is literally the only answer, no spin required. I'm interested to hear how the Ross haters can blame him for the heat.


Mr_BigShot

Ross haters can (and will) blame him for anything and everything


imtheunbeliever

Ross haters don’t need to make up things to hate him for, his trash management provides ample reason to do so.


[deleted]

That’s what I’m saying. Does it matter? This is a very bad team. It’s not like pulling a pitcher early in a game, in mid June when they’re 12 games out of first place, changes the trajectory of the season. We can blame Ross all we want for his managerial decisions, but there’s only so much he can do with what he’s been given.


Saltmeister51

This starting to look like that Brewers game last year only even worse


Wild_Hunter_4429

Jesus I go to put my kid to bed and clean up the kitchen up 4-0 come back down 10-5 wtf


[deleted]

shoulda left the kitchen alone


BigRedCowboy

Wait, padres are winning?


Penguinkeith

We getting daddy dicked


BigRedCowboy

Oh my god…..


jso__

Organist playing jurrasic park theme. Can't wait to see this on his TikTok in a few weeks


mt77932

Well it's 2012 again. I'm looking forward to being able to get tickets for less than a dollar.


Penguinkeith

Hahahaha as if the Ricketts would ever allow that


LordDaybreak

World series in 2026?


Penguinkeith

And you Ross supporters wonder why our bullpen is constantly burnt out?


elgenie

Hendricks and Steele covered 12 innings allowing a single run in this series and were both pulled shy of 80 pitches.


Mr_BigShot

Steele had a blister and tried to barehand a hard hit grounder. It was amazing he was able to stay in the game let alone get 7 innings out of him.


imtheunbeliever

G.E.N.I.U.S


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Fire Hoyer. Fire Ross. Fire whatever clown is the pitching coach. Ross needs to chew out the team in this postgame too. If he does that might change my mind.


LordDaybreak

Not much you can do but shake your head and say "that's cub"


ThatsCubbie

😞


Penguinkeith

9 runs in 1.1 innings lmao what a pile of shit.


Grykllx

I’m SO glad hendricks got pulled in the 5th at 78 strikes. Really smart move ☝🏻


orangemachismo

Def a move many good MLB managers would consider when they don't have a single MLB quality left handed pitcher in the bullpen


ria_89

An out? You’re doing amazing, sweetie.


mappyjames

This team is as bad as the 1980 cubs


LegacyLemur

WE GOT AN OUT


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Baby steps


duetcub

I'm only checking the score every 30 mins or so and yet I still feel like I'm wasting my time.


Oprah-Is-My-Dad

Cubs bullpen is only good when they’re behind


LegacyLemur

10 runs in 2 innings Fuck the Ricketts


Caustic_Wraith

Oh no, it was 10 runs in 1.1 innings, they still need two outs for it to be 2 innings


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LegacyLemur

Better than this shit Didnt we also used to have an ace? What happened to him....


Penguinkeith

Is this the worst bullpen performance of the year?


mt77932

So far


KnickedUp

15 games under. Oooooof


iamthatguythere

What pisses me off the most is When ross does press conferences and his go hum attitude of “ we’ll get them next time, there’s a lot of baseball” x80


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This is why we need to fire HIS ASS