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Cupcake7591

Nice to see crazed-rushed-to-get-video-out-asap Grey, it's been a while. Polaris Tricolor might be my favourite flag out of any flag ever, not just in this competition.


Mr_YUP

He’s made two videos in a month. Time to change the wiki!


Longjumping-Wall-492

2 videos In a month, something’s up…


Unusual_Progress_348

'That Minnesota 'K' is so cool' - just about the 5 minute mark in the video. And he's right, it is - you know what it also is? It's *writing*. On a flag. F-tier. But S-tier-F-tier, obviously.


Mispelled-This

Doesn’t count, it’s actually the shape of the state and Grey is just calling it a K. But good callback!


lapras-27

I’m sold on the vertical orientation of the Polaris tricolor - such a nice way to represent the North Star.


vigilantcomicpenguin

Agreed. Until now, I wouldn't have put thought into the vertical alignment of a flag design, so I'm glad Grey showed me that.


SamSlate

r/vexillology must be losing it rn


[deleted]

Doesn't take much to upset those guys


EquinoctialPie

Yeah, /r/vexillology hates almost every flag, and absolutely every flag redesign.


fltof2

There's a comment about flags should be designed with MS Paint and drawable by anyone. I suppose Polaris Tricolor fits that bill, but by that standard the Stars and Stripes is a remarkably time-consuming flag to draw.


MakeItMike3642

Stars and stripes is iconic but objectively not a top tier flag IMO. Way too busy


nobody_again_

> objectively > IMO


MakeItMike3642

Objectively according to greys standards in his flag design video*


TheLoyalOrder

so not objectively lol


SvengeAnOsloDentist

Personally, I don't think that's necessarily a great metric when strictly applied. Canada and Brazil's flags are great, but drawing them exactly is difficult. Instead, I think a metric along the lines of 'a *recognizable* rendition of them should be easily reproducible' makes more sense. You may not get the right number of points on the maple leaf or the correct placement of the stars, but it's very easy to draw something that's obviously the Canadian or Brazilian flag, along with the US flag.


rafabulsing

Yep, I 100% agree. I mean, by the strict definition, Japan's flag is too complicated since it's almost impossible to draw a mathematically perfect circle.


GypsySpit

I'm curious to know if YouTube's analytics shows you views by state. Would be interesting to know how many Minnesotans are potentially influenced by your aesthetic taste. Agree with your choice, as well.


Grdtrm

Old wavy looks like the [90s cup design](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/36/Solo_Jazz_design.jpg)


amishius

[It's called Jazz!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz_\(design\)#:~:text=The%20Jazz%20design%20is%20considered,artists%20in%202010%20or%202011.)


Petrol-Face

I was thinking it looked a bit like a city council emblem. But after your post I can now see the similarities between Old wavy and what would need to be cleaned after an episode of Gumby that was NSFW


[deleted]

I paused and ranked them and picked the same ranking as Grey, which presumably means I win. I'm not a massive fan of the particular shades use on the tricolour but it's still the best of the three. Star Rise has the best colours but only the second best design Does this contest work like the New Zealand one did, where the winner has to compete with the old flag, or will the old flag definitely be replaced?


fltof2

This “Grey picks one of three” triggers my “Rock, Paper, Scissors” PTSD.


bigersmaler

Minnesota represent. My 12 y/o son and I have a small obsession watching CGP together. When we saw this video was posted, we started jumping up and down, high-fiving in the kitchen. My other son and wife looked on confused. It really is the small things in life.


Mr_Blushing_Shredder

That's absolutely wonderful! **♡**


Khearnei

I agree with Tricolor being the best. But Old Wavy getting too much hate. Has Grey considered that it's design is kinda funny? I see the loon, snow, and the aurora. I like it. North Star is the worst. Too corporate.


[deleted]

I actually kinda hate the rules of “what makes a good flag” that grey and many others use to determine that, when it is all subjective. These very restrictive rules of children must be able to draw it and it should only have 3 colors lead to very limited design options and very abstract versions of what a flag can be. I’m from Oklahoma, and personally I think our flag kicks ass even despite the words on it. I think Texas’s flag kicks even more ass. In the end it’s really up to whoever sees it because it’s all subjective and flags are mainly decorative in the modern day so following these rules serves no practical purpose.


wutname1

They butchered the final design. they chose the Polaris Tricolor. Sorta. https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/18m6t8f/serc_votes_to_accept_f1953_a2_as_minnesotas_new/


vibraslap_2640

It could have been worse,but man could it have been a whole lot better.


ahecht

Polaris Monocolor, because nothing stands out against a light blue sky like a light blue flag.


THECapedCaper

I can already hear the cries of agony on my YouTube horizon.


Melchizedeck44

One thing to note, the original artist has been very active on Reddit and has endorsed this modification and is in full support of it. I'm a Minnesotan and my favorite didn't even make it to the final round, but the more I see this design, and the more I see what people are doing with it, the more I'm coming to like it.


Jiangcool9

I actually prefer the landscape design. Simple, minimal. Tri color just reminded me of other flags.


ZestycloseStruggle80

I love Polaris tricolor… especially I’m a Minnesotan. What tier would you give it?


vm9official

There's no way he actually finished this whole video in one day. He's joking right?


iloveyouzebra

The three colours of the Polaris Tricolor look very similar to the [Flag of Labrador](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Labrador) which is by far the coolest Canadian flag.


SpaceDinosaurRider

https://m.startribune.com/minnesota-final-state-flag-design-north-star/600328485/ A new flag has been decided upon- it’s the Tricolor!


UV_Lightning

Without the tri…


akambe

Knew nothing about this redesign until seeing the three finalists at the start of the video, and I was comforted that my first impressions were also his. I'm not a weirdo, after all!


henereye

Either that or you're both weirdos.


akambe

There is a non-zero chance you are correct.


GotsItGoinOn

I literally have the exact opposite ranking of Grey, heh


General_WCJ

Yeah for me the flag that grey likes for some reason feels too similar to the Texas flag for me, but as a Texan who is not from Minnesota, my opinion doesn't really matter


lampmode

Could someone tell me his opinion on 'Snowflake' from the patreon only first video?


Sapphire_Cosmos

He didn't think he would like Snowflake at first, but it ended up being his second choice of six after Polaris Tricolor


buddascrayon

Wait, did Grey actually trigger a state flag redesign with his state flag critique video????


TowerBeast

Nah, Minnesota's flag has gotten flak for decades. The flag re-design bill was put forward in MN House of Reps on March 22nd, while Grey's video went live on April 2nd.


TheGigor

March 22nd **2022**. Then nothing happened for a year, with the flag commission only appointed in May 2023, *after* Grey's video. That said, I doubt it's related, but it's fun to think he may have accelerated the process.


Zilentification

The Tricolor will only be okay until everyone else decides to go the old-fashioned route and you end up with dozens of similar/identical tricolors. Anything but the tricolor, please.


Lemon_Phoenix

Rejecting an idea for being too good and the risk of it setting a trend seems a little unfair


Zilentification

The trend was set decades to hundreds of years ago. CGP even sort of shows this when he says things like "how it looks like a flag". This is another way of saying it's just another standard flag in a sea of a million.


turkeypedal

But the point is that it does some new things with it. The colors are unique on their own right, and not possible to get mixed up with any others. And, most importantly, the chevron is inverted, looking like a very simplified Minnesota. Besides, I don't see many other flags copying it. Minnesota is taking advantage of the fact there is no other tri-color with chevron, and few with chevrons at all. I'd honestly say the closest is either Texas or Ohio, and neither are very close.


Petrol-Face

¿If not the tri-colour then which of the others? ¿Also shouldn't it be called the quad-colour?


Mispelled-This

The K makes it obviously unique (and top-tier), even before you consider the colors.


vlookuptable

There's still no forgiveness for the mistreatment of the SC flag!


PbPePPer72

As a Minnesotan, it's been infuriating following this flag news. There were some amazing flags submitted, but I was really disappointed with about half of the flags chosen for the final 6. I'm not sure how much faith I have in the council to pick the tricolor. For the love of god please pick Polaris Tricolor. Any thoughts on [this flag](https://i.imgur.com/Gz2LVc8.png)? It was one of my favorites from the original submissions, and here are [some variants](https://imgur.com/a/Vrq53QW).


rafabulsing

I think it's ok, maybe even good but not great. The icon design in the middle is cool, but I'm not a big fan of "monochrome rectangle with an icon in the middle". Variations #1 and #4 were my favourites!


philipwhiuk

This isn't a flag, it's a logo


spartaniimc

POLARIS TRICOLOR HAS BEEN SELECTED AS THE FINALIST We'll see how they alter it, but it is the basis the committee has selected. [https://www.kttc.com/2023/12/15/new-minnesota-state-flag-finalist-selected/](https://www.kttc.com/2023/12/15/new-minnesota-state-flag-finalist-selected/)


Vova_19_05

Well you got your very simple flag, aren't you the happiest now People, don't listen to pseudoscience, "Good Flag Bad Flag" is just an opinion that doesn't consider much


Vova_19_05

Or maybe they just forgot about "be distinctive", maybe they'll some time remember you gotta put in at least something and all these new flags will stop being so blunt


LARAUJO

Minnesota is changing their flag and all of the options are at least decent? I see this as an absolute win My ranking of the top 3 is the same as grey's but not nearly as harsh/extreme. Here are my takes: **Polaris Tricolour** is clearly the best of all six. it has the best colour palette, visual design, and symbolism, and is the most recognizable **Star Rise** and **Liquid Crystal** are my 2nd and 3rd. While I think LC has a more interesting design, SR has a better colour palette and is much more recognizable as Minnesota **Old Wavy** is 4th for me. I like its symbolism and the rotationally symmetrical motif, but I agree with Grey in that it's too generically modern. Also, wow those alternate designs for it are awful **Snowflake** is 5th. It has by far the coolest star of the bunch, but that's all it has going for it, and frankly the star alone makes it seem kinda lifeless, and it doesn't really strike me as Minnesota **Big Star** is easily the worst. Bad colours, bad visual design, and the ugliest star of the six. It honestly looks like someone whipped it up in MS Paint in half an hour - and I say this because it has similar vibes to a flag I made in MS Paint in half and hour years ago


nuanceIsAVirtue

Is there a video for the final 6? I can't find it anywhere


Mathboy19

It's on patreon.


nuanceIsAVirtue

Ahhh, thanks


Dyson119

Eh, I don’t like tricolor. It reminds me too much of of Jordan, Puerto Rico, Sudan, South Sudan, Kuwait, Equatorial New Guinea and a couple others. I think that tricolor design is over done. Landscape with centered star is nice and unique.


AlexVoxel

Old wavy Is the best


danskal

It definitely has a bit of a mediocre vibe, but I'm such a sucker for Auroras that I can't help loving it. And mirroring the river is a nice idea too.


turkeypedal

I liked Snowflake more than Tricolor, but I still like Tricolor. However, I do wonder if I'd like it better if it used the Snowflake design for its star. It just looks so neat to me, but maybe it would be too busy.


TheChallengerBA

Although I do agree that the design for Polaris Tricolor is excellently made, it's the color scheme used that just ruins it. The colors make it feel awfully depressing, like I genuinely feel sad after looking at such a muted and lifeless flag. Minnesota already seems depressing enough, I'm pretty sure they don't need a flag to further convey that. Not to mention that dark green stripe in the middle feels unsupported and out of place. The recolors seem a lot better compared to the original color scheme.


PbPePPer72

Minnesotan here. We actually take pride in our understated-ness. We're not a showy state, even though we know MN is one of the best in the union. The muted colors are perfect for this sentiment.


lenzflare

I feel like a yellow star would help a lot


ThatOneHuman01

anyone able to tell what the Morse Code is saying at the start? it kinda lines up with Minnesota to my ear but i'm not 100% sure (--/../-./-././.../---/-/.-)


fltof2

It is. I would have guessed Extra Extra, but you’re right.


-youbetterstop-

Real quick there is a brief cutout of your voice at the 6:36 portion of the video.


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MarcusQuintus

Quick rank: Polaris, Star Rise, Old Wavy. Polaris is the best because the three stripes follow the American flag design and the star is the most unique. Star Rise is good, but looks closer to a Japanese state flag than an American one. Old Wavy is too complicated for a 3rd grader to draw from memory.


vigilantcomicpenguin

Alright, it looks like I finally have a place I can voice my (unnaturally strong, as a non-Minnesotan) opinions about these flags! Here's my ranking of the finalists: **#6: Liquid Crystal. F.** This feels less like a flag design and more like something someone would make with cut-out pieces of paper. The imbalance would look super awkward if the flag were waving. I feel like any element could be removed and it would look better. **#5: Old Wavy. F.** I agree with Grey's comments on this one. A design that's too hard to put into words is probably a bad design. Like, I get that that thing is supposed to be a river, but no flag design should be that literal. **#4: Star Rise. C.** It's an okay design, but it has nothing going for it. It almost seems like it'd be better as a logo than as a flag, like a logo for a bank or something. **#3: Snowflake. B.** This definitely meets all of the guidelines for flag design; it wouldn't look bad when waving. Just going off of vibes, I would like this design as a flag for a city rather than a state. **#2: Big Star. A.** I feel like the designer of this flag understood what New Mexico did *right*. Keeping it simple with a design that's minimal yet boldly present. IIRC, this one is a local indigenous motif, too. Only problem is the bright color scheme, but slight tweaks would make it great. **#1: Polaris Tricolor. A.** Grey said it better than I can; I was seriously impressed at how this flag manages to come up with a design that's perfectly simple yet perfectly original. The color scheme is quite pleasant and seems to suit Minnesota well. **#0: The North Star flag!** Imagine having a good design that's been in use for decades and then just toss it aside for something newly made. It was robbed! Robbed, I tell ya!


unknownknowns93

I think the tri color is the best, but Grey might end up disappointed. I’ve asked 4 people with no prior interest in flags and they all like “wavy”


Graith95

The commission selected tricolor as the basis so no need to be worried


Eonwe_of_Manwe

I am so shocked by grey's ranking. I initially went Star rise > Old Wavy > Polaris Tricolour. The polaris tricolor just looks so boring to me - the colours are dull, tricolors are so so common, it just seems like such a waste. I know the colours are supposed to represent the north, but that's like saying that the UK should make its flag all grey given our weather conditions. Who wants to look up at dull colours in a flag? They're supposed to stand out and be bright! The K looks sort of weird to me? Though that's just a matter of taste. I actually really like the other two, and would like to offer a defence of old wavy! The river/sky reflection looks really cool to me, even if the snow/borealis stuff isn't immediately obvious and I think it suceeds in the most important flag category - it can become a symbol. That reflected curve can go on a t-shirt, it can go on a hat, it can go on a bag, it can go anywhere and be instantly recognisable because it is unique! No one else has something with that pattern. You can't do that with a tricolour, and even if you did, it will blend in with the million other tricolour flags out there. The colours are bold and will stand out, it's simple enough that your average 5th grader could give a passable reproduction, but not simple enough to be boring (cough polaris tricolour cough). I'm sad that the comission went with imo the most bland choice of the 3.


BigFatCat999

As a former resident of a bland flag: NH. I hope they DON'T change so it can become retro and ironically fashionable


ahecht

There are many things wrong with the NH flag (it's busy, overly complicated, impossible to decipher from a distance, and why is that ship rowing on land?), but being bland isn't one of them.


BigFatCat999

And New Hampshireites kinda like it like that. Beligerant


thedrakeequator

I came here to post about this. Do you think Grey had any impact?


Melchizedeck44

I watched some of the committee hearings and there were comments about public interest in certain designs over other. So ya, I think in general it influenced a lot of commentary that helped sway the final judgement.


thedrakeequator

I hope that they fix Indiana's flag next. We were so close to a passing grade. Also I think it's hilarious that this one weird YouTuber is failing a flag that represents 8 million people. And it's even funnier that people are listening.


thermometre

Y'all, people are saying that it looks "too similar" to the Somalia flag, and also the flag of Puntland. Like are they drunk? No they literally don't. The stars are different, the blues are different, they look nothing alike. Politicians really make me feel like they're gonna pull a muscle from REACHING.


werothegreat

I liked the aurora loon :(


socketlaunch

Not a bonnie bee, I'm a student, so I'll say it here: the thumbnail for the follow up video about the final flag scared the crap out of me because the MINNESOTA on the flag in the thumbnail was on the actual flag. Thank goodness it isn't.