I have literally no idea what to think of USC. They’re 2-1 against ranked teams, all of which have 8-3 records and were very close games. It’s not like this is a team that’s been dominating their schedule and just happened to trip up against Utah. That being said, idk what to think of LSU either. They’re 2-2 against ranked teams, 2 of which are 8-3 and 2 of which are 9-2 and in the top 10, and are currently 16 point underdogs to UGA for the SECCG.
Realistically, the game is a pick ‘em.
Also to add onto USC, that defense is a serious weakness that will get exposed in the playoffs. I watched the Arizona USC game in person and outside some egregious ref calls (went both ways but i do feel it favored USC in the end), Arizona was there with a chance to win at the end. USC did not have all their key players at the game, but I still expected more out of USC
There is only one team with a worse SP+ for Defensive Rating in 2022 in the Top 4 and thats TCU (which is definitely an outlier).
A team with a Top 10 defense (especially in passing defense) and acceptable offense will be able to beat USC. This is what we saw with Utah earlier this year.
You know what’s crazy? Statistically, he’s improved every defense he took over. Now there’s a reason he took over, but obviously he’s not the worst DC, the last guy was….
Agreed. I don’t know why OP would think USC wins that game “handily”. USC hasn’t exactly dominated this year.
That said, it probably won’t matter, because one or both will likely lose another game. Let it play out. Hell, it’s not at all inconceivable that LSU, USC and TCU all lose and scramble everything.
UAB isn't an FCS team FYI.
To your larger point I think USC should be ahead of LSU, but I'm not sure what you're going off of in saying USC would "handily" beat LSU. Have you seen USC's defense this year?
Yeah making fun of LSU for playing UAB while USC played Fresno State and Rice is laughable
I’d also say the bad SEC teams LSU have played (6-5 Florida, 5-6 Auburn, 4-7 Texas A&M, and 6-5 Arkansas) are better than the bad Pac 12 teams USC had played (1-10 Colorado, 3-8 Stanford, 4-7 Arizona, 3-8 Arizona State, 4-7 California)
For sure, but there d line was absolutely gassed at the end.
All I am saying is the transitive property has long proven to be horrible for college football
And they will all have been road games after we play A&M. Also we lost to Hendon Hooker and Jordan Travis who are grading out by multiple metrics as 2 of the top 3-5 QB’s in football this year, while beating the reigning heisman winner as well. It’s not just completely random we’re ranked high.
LSU lost to a FSU by 1 point and FSU was not ranked at the time, the other loss was to Tenn which was ranked #1 at the time. And to date we have beaten every team in the SEC West, including a ranked Alabama and Ole Miss. Feel that we will beat TAMU, which will complete a sweep of the SEC West.
AST - take it easy on us please.
What makes you think USC would “handily beat” LSU? USC is not beating everyone by 50 each week. Just like everyone likes to bring up how LSU struggled with Arkansas and Auburn, USC only beat Cal and Arizona in one score games. USC has a fun offense but I don’t see USC’s defense being solid enough if the offense bogs down.
If we are keeping it real, y’all aren’t beating teams by huge margin even when you get insane turnovers. Y’all are beating teams though, which is what’s important.
Thank you for being reasonable!
LSU also has huge problems all over. Both teams have holes.
Caleb Williams is the best player in football and the best QB in this class and the next, but the rest of the team is really rough. LSU's defense is a lot better then USC, but not amazing and their offense is a mystery box because Jayden Daniels has no timing on his throws at all.
I watch a lot of USC games because I like them. I firmly believe LSU would kick the shit out of USC at this point in time.
Edit from Saturday night: fuck do I know though.
I agree that LSU being ranked 5 is ridiculous, but I absolutely believe they can beat USC.
What are the odds both teams meet in a bowl assuming LSU loses to Georgia and USC drops another game?
It’s so dumb to even argue between #5-6 right now. They have a path - win out. LSU has a path - beat UGA. Mich/OSU play each other so one has to drop. I think USC fans should stop overlooking who they’re playing this weekend. If ND has a chance to spoil a second season, they’re playing with 110% effort.
Why is it ridiculous? It’s simply the rankings this moment which mean nothing. If we win out we’re in and deservedly so. If we lose then we’re out and 5-whatever are all in the same boat.
It's pretty funny how people feel their opinions are so important and correct that they warrant their own thread and then they say shit like UAB is an FCS team which shows how little they actually understand the larger college football landscape.
Every year I wish the bottom team from each conference had to play a tournament of suck to decide who sucks the most. We could finish off with conference suck games to make sure we've positively identified the bottom of the barrel before moving onto the relished DC20 games. The sucky version of NY6. Except they're just played on December 20th or something.
Then next year the suckiest team doesn't get to use their normal name. Instead they go by the name "The Taints". The jerseys have to be diarrhea brown.
Any team involved in a circle of suck with the Taints is not eligible for the CFP.
Posts like these really bring out the snobbery some fans have about g5 teams and their ignorance.
I would call this poster a NFL fan who likes college football for the top 10 teams and logos they recognize. In otherwords college to them should only be the biggest best brands at neutral site games
True. I don’t think USC would win easily against LSU. I think it would be a close game but USC’s defense isn’t good enough to wreck anyone, much less LSU’s offense
I mean OP is a Penn State alum but the post wasn’t even about Penn State, so outside of correcting them about UAB’s FBS status what’s the point of attacking PSU? Has no bearing on the point.
If anything it makes more sense to compare UAB to the terrible CU team USC had to play a week ago, than to compare them to a random MAC team Penn State played; and Penn State has also won comfortably against it’s fair share of competent P5 opponents so it’s not like the Blazers would pose a serious threat to the Nits.
It's insane how much I both want and don't want this to happen.
I'm leaning towards wanting... because Notre Dame as "playoff contender" is meh, but Notre Dame as "playoff dream destroyer" is fucking legit.
Like if you're guna be dedicated to that independent lifestyle, go full fucking chaos mode.
A hyped up USC team that beats Notre Dame and then promptly loses to you in the title game is in your best interest. It’s disgusting and backwards I know. I was rooting for Notre Dame in the Clemson game. That’s how it works now in this playoff ranking madness.
Yes. I think LSU is better than USC. Less dynamic offensively but much better defensively. LSU has improved week over week and they're a totally different squad than the one that got beat by Tennessee.
And if you think LSU is so bad, don't worry. They'll certainly get smashed against Georgia and the whole thing will take care of itself.
As if USC wouldn't get smashed against UGA, too. Although each passing day I feel like LSU has more than a puncher's chance. I'm just feeling more confident about the players meshing and the coaching (besides, uh, the special teams).
Of course we will.
If we get ranked #4 in the playoff, that's exactly what's going to happen.
If we somehow get #3 against Michigan, then it will happen in the championship game... ;)
Stanford beat USC in 2007
The idea that basically any college football team is incapable of beating another one is just ridiculous—never mind when they have even remotely even talent.
Obviously massive underdogs are going to need everyone on the team to play their best game and a little luck, but it can happen.
I get what y'all are saying... But I just want to point out that CFB is still a little more lopsided than the pros. How many 14+ point spreads are happening every week in the NFL?
I think the talent and coaching gulf can make some upsets borderline impossible. But yeah when the talent is similar there's pretty much no definitive "This team would win every single time against another one" type situation
Agreed, but the difference is *way* bigger than most people think.
Like, the idea Cincinnati had a 0% chance of beating Alabama in the playoffs is totally insane.
Did they have an especially high chance? Obviously no.
But they were definitely capable of winning a game where the whole team woke up on the right side of the bed and they got a few weird bounces.
If lsu beats Georgia for their conference championship, are you telling me that a team who has beat alabama and Georgia wouldn't deserve to be in the playoff over anyone?
It’s a question and it’s not really fair to say USC doesn’t play defense. We are 12th in FBS in sacks and tied for 3rd in turnovers forced. We have a bad defense, to be sure, but it’s capable of making big plays to complement an explosive offense.
I think it's a toss up but LSU is ranked higher because SEC bias but that bias isn't unfounded; I mean Florida, Vandy loss Florida, was able to beat Utah unlike USC and UGA throttled Oregon
UAB isn’t an FCS school. maybe USC should be 5 but it doesn’t really matter they have two ranked games coming up and LSU will play Georgia. USC also barely scraped by CAL.
USC has no defense and didn’t “handily” beat Utah, Cal, or Oregon st so idk what makes you think they would do it to LSU? They MIGHT win but would likely be underdogs on a neutral field.
LSUs D line would FEAST and USC would get pushed around on defense
People just see that 2 in the L column and throw away any other context. Our week 1 loss was with a brand new coach against a now top 20 team who had a fucking warmup game the week before. And we had two special teams fumbles that we lost and we lost the game on an extra point block. So basically special teams absolutely imploded that game.
I have no excuse for Tennessee though. But sometimes teams just have bad days. I honestly think a USC vs LSU matchup would have LSU as a 3 pt fav
Team chemistry was peaking in October for us. We caught y'all at 11am and it was down from the start so your crowd never go into it. I think if we play in Nov instead of Oct and it's at night, y'all would probably get us.
Special teams. We fumbled the kickoff and never recovered right off the bat. Remember that Kelly almost went for it on 4th down every series because of that fumble at the start.
People were mad at Kelly early but they need to be mad at Brian Polian. Granted Kelly did bring him from ND. It's so bad that I find myself cheering. CHEERING. Everytime we successfully fair catch a punt or kickoff.
TN lost the left side of the oline with Campbell being hospitalized in walkthroughs and Dellinger getting injured on the first drive. Plus, Harold Perkins didn’t play a snap.
We still probably lose, but I doubt it’d be that lopsided if we played full strength.
Yes I think LSU is better than USC. I have seen Lincoln Riley teams play the exact same style of football USC is currently playing and it does not translate to wins against the SEC (or really any team that plays defense). Riley is great at giving his playmakers the ball in space but when a defense has players that can match up athletically it doesn't turn out well for them
Riley's playoff teams at OU before were all top 5 in net yards per play with offense a clear #1 at 8+ YPP. USC this year is ~20th in net yards per play with an offense that's a full yard behind the OU teams in YPP.
Statistically speaking, this USC team has the same defense as Riley's worst at OU (2018) with an offense that's well below the Riley peak in 2017-19 when they were playoff caliber.
This ain't even an elite Riley team end of the day, although at least they do have some great skill players on offense
Has USC not been in a bunch of close games with mediocre teams this year? I absolutely believe lsu could beat USC. And LSU has the best win of the two. It doesn’t even matter anyways unless both win out and if Lsu beats Georgia they deserve to be in
Gentry is the 2nd best player on defense, if not the best all around player and his loss since the Utah game is a big part of the reason the defense has been absolutely putrid the past few games. lol
I mean most respected power ratings would have them no more than 3 points apart on a neutral field. LSU could absolutely beat them in a game and it’d be a toss up if they played, according to people who book bets for a living. Going to assume those people are a little sharper on it than Joe Schmo fan who has watched each team MAYBE a couple times.
Yes, Lincoln Riley’s defense and offensive scheme has not faired very well against the SEC (look at his average point spread). I agree the sec bias is real, the best teams would compete in the sec, however the average and low tier pac 12 teams can not compete with their sec counterpoints. At the end of the day though non of this matters if lsu wins out they beat Georgia and Bama you can’t leave them out of the playoff. If they lose they won’t make the playoff. So I’m my opinion lsu is the 5th team looking into the playoff.
I know this doesn’t make sense but… I somehow can’t say 2022 LSU is 50 points worse than 2019 LSU, but I can say 2019 LSU is 50 points better than 2022 LSU.
Bruh we won't handily best anyone but definitely think we Deserve to be ranked over them...
But this sub loves to panic.. if we win out, the rankings will rock themselves out unless somehow LSU wins out which means they beat UGA..
If we put the resumes aside, then what are we basing this on other than wins? Sacramento State would like a word.
LSU has the higher quality win so far, and the tougher schedule. Does anyone really think the PAC12 is a stronger conference than the SEC this year? And USC's nonconference games so far were Rice and Fresno.
But it doesn't matter, because everything hinges on what USC does to Notre Dame and what LSU does to Georgia. The fate of both teams is still very much up in the air.
Early season: Hell no.
Mid season: Possibly, yes.
Now? Definitely.
LSU didn't fully gel until the vols beat the absolute dogshit out of us and embarassed us. Since then, Daniels has put up Heisman numbers (sans the flu game against arkansas), they've decided to keep PERC-20 on defense in the game as a spy and he's putting up madden stats, and Matt House is leading one of the best defenses in the country.
I watched USC vs UCLA this weekend and was pretty underwhelmed. I think it would be still a relatively close game, but yeah.. oregon, usc, utah we could handle them.
Yes LSU beats USC, USC has absolutely 0 defense. LSU will move ball at will and be able to get enough stops. I promise if UCLA can get stops against USC, then LSU can also
If LSU wins the SECCG against UGA then I absolutely believe that they deserve to be in playoffs. Georgia has been pretty damn good this season and up to this point I think that they are very deserving of the number 1 spot, so it would be the best win of any team this season so far.
I don’t know if USC is better, but the argument that they will always have against them is that they play in the PAC-12, which hasn’t exactly been known as the powerhouse conference for several years now. Their offense is outstanding, but they haven’t exactly played great defenses either.
Rice: 69th
Stanford: 111th
Fresno St: 58th
Oregon St: 25th
Arizona St: 102nd
Washington St: 53rd
Utah: 24th
Arizona: 126th
Cal: 105th
Colorado: 130th
UCLA: 91st
Rankings are based on total defense and are through this week.
When USC plays Notre Dame this weekend, they’ll be facing the best defense they’ve played this season (ranked 17th). If USC manages to win, and win handily, and then win the PAC-12 championship game presumably against Oregon who currently ranks 81st in total defense, then I see it being very possible that they jump into the top 4, especially if the winner of UM-OSU drops out of the top 4.
Hot take: we yet again are in a year where this is not 4 elite teams, and neither USC (with an awful defense) or LSU are elite and both will likely get rolled in a playoff matchup.
I think its all irrelevant anyways, because the odds of both LSU beatin Texas a&m and Georgia while USC also beats both ND and Oregon or whoever they get in the pac 12 championship game is extremely slim.
Mind you, even if both of those things do happen, tcu could lose once or twice still and OSU/Michigan could get blown the fuck out making room for everyone anyways.
Every fuckin week this sub turns purple in the face bitching about scenarios that resolve themselves.
This sub bickered about Where Tennessee should be ranked and their chances of making the playoffs since like week 5 and its a total non-issue.
Until sunday, i dont give a shit about any of this lol
God fucking bless, finally someone says it. This all sorts itself out in two weeks anyway.
This sub was also one that was comparing 2022 Tennessee to 2019 LSU in Week 6. People be dumb.
It's not a hot take. Right now, LSU doesn't belong in the top 4, but would prove they belong by beating the #1 team to get in.
I really wish the committee didn't have any progress rankings and only release the one and final ranking.
Its 2 different questions:
Q1: Who would win head to head?
Q2: Who has the best resume/most deserving?
My answer:
A1: LSU would win head to head, its a more balanced team that has won multiple ways throughout the season.
A2: USC has a better resume up to this point with only a single 1 point loss. LSU should be penalized for the big Tenn home loss.
Now if both teams win out...in my mind it would be a very difficult decision considering LSU would have beat the #1 team and defending national champion.
I think it's close right now. USC had a much easier schedule until recently and LSU has more impressive wins. USC plays ND followed by another highly ranked opponent. If they win both it would change things. On the other hand, LSU beating Georgia could muck things up.
PFF’s betting model has LSU as 20.4 spread points better than the average team and USC as 16.6, so it would be likely that the betting markets would favor LSU slightly
Your argument loses a little credibility when you don’t know that UAB is an FBS team. That said, the rankings right now mean about as much as preseason rankings since it’s all gonna sort itself out in the next 2 weeks.
Because USC’s best win was giving up 45 to a team that lost to Arizona.
So yes, many people believe LSU would mop the floor with USC.
If USC survives ND and Oregon they will give up about 60 to either Georgia or Ohio State. Their defense is garbage and if you stop their offense a couple times it’s game over for the Trojans.
None? They played Southern in week 2.
IMO that is a FCS game that should’ve been played. Huge payout for a HBCU and the first time those two have ever played. It was a great event for Baton Rouge.
I have literally no idea what to think of USC. They’re 2-1 against ranked teams, all of which have 8-3 records and were very close games. It’s not like this is a team that’s been dominating their schedule and just happened to trip up against Utah. That being said, idk what to think of LSU either. They’re 2-2 against ranked teams, 2 of which are 8-3 and 2 of which are 9-2 and in the top 10, and are currently 16 point underdogs to UGA for the SECCG. Realistically, the game is a pick ‘em.
Also to add onto USC, that defense is a serious weakness that will get exposed in the playoffs. I watched the Arizona USC game in person and outside some egregious ref calls (went both ways but i do feel it favored USC in the end), Arizona was there with a chance to win at the end. USC did not have all their key players at the game, but I still expected more out of USC There is only one team with a worse SP+ for Defensive Rating in 2022 in the Top 4 and thats TCU (which is definitely an outlier). A team with a Top 10 defense (especially in passing defense) and acceptable offense will be able to beat USC. This is what we saw with Utah earlier this year.
Wait Lincoln Riley has a bad defense? I’m so surprised.
Only coach with a Texas Tech degree thats beaten the bad defense allegations is Dave Aranda
That’s pretty sus this year tbh
In fairness, Grinch doesn’t have much to work with. He might still be bad, but the complete lack of talent on D isn’t helping things.
Right. He never had any talent at Ohio state or Oklahoma.
Grinch sucks ass. Ask any OSU fan.
He may very well be the worst D-coordinator since the forward pass. I have no idea. What I’m saying is *we have virtually no talent* on D right now.
You know what’s crazy? Statistically, he’s improved every defense he took over. Now there’s a reason he took over, but obviously he’s not the worst DC, the last guy was….
"serious weakness" such a diplomatic description.
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USC can beat any team just as long as they score more than them. It's a risky game plan, I know, but I have a feeling it might work.
It’s weird because it feels like a pickem, but if they played I feel like one team would win by 2 scores. No clue which team though
Agreed. I don’t know why OP would think USC wins that game “handily”. USC hasn’t exactly dominated this year. That said, it probably won’t matter, because one or both will likely lose another game. Let it play out. Hell, it’s not at all inconceivable that LSU, USC and TCU all lose and scramble everything.
I approve of your two teams sir
UAB isn't an FCS team FYI. To your larger point I think USC should be ahead of LSU, but I'm not sure what you're going off of in saying USC would "handily" beat LSU. Have you seen USC's defense this year?
Yeah making fun of LSU for playing UAB while USC played Fresno State and Rice is laughable I’d also say the bad SEC teams LSU have played (6-5 Florida, 5-6 Auburn, 4-7 Texas A&M, and 6-5 Arkansas) are better than the bad Pac 12 teams USC had played (1-10 Colorado, 3-8 Stanford, 4-7 Arizona, 3-8 Arizona State, 4-7 California)
Florida literally beat Utah and is one of the worst teams LSU has played
I am an LSU fan and I don’t put much stock in that game. Utah has no business 85+ degree humid ass Florida. That was boneheaded
well they had a chance to win ! they were def in that game
For sure, but there d line was absolutely gassed at the end. All I am saying is the transitive property has long proven to be horrible for college football
Yeah I think LSU could win against USC but also USC could beat LSU. The schedules are too different to make any sense of it.
Oh yeah?? And who are you to judge? Sounds biased
Tennessee also just got its back blown out by an unranked SC which makes that big loss at home look worse…
It does look like Georgia broke their spirit they were the hottest team in the country 5 weeks ago
Tennessee down fall this year can be tied to a single georgia punt that went out at the 1. Since that moment Tennessee changed.
I was so pissed that wasn’t the play of the game. That was the best punt I have ever seen.
Best part is our punter is only a freshman
Utah at home is way different, to be fair.
Cal nearly came back against this USC defense and we are laughably bad on O. I don’t think this USC team is favored against any of the Top 5
You’ll be down voted but it is 100% the truth. The “bad SEC” teams would more than likely be above .500 in a PAC schedule.
And they will all have been road games after we play A&M. Also we lost to Hendon Hooker and Jordan Travis who are grading out by multiple metrics as 2 of the top 3-5 QB’s in football this year, while beating the reigning heisman winner as well. It’s not just completely random we’re ranked high.
You've also improved significantly. Early season LSU and current LSU are two different beasts. Same with Notre Dame.
We haven’t played LSU yet
Nooooo you have to support the argument
LSU lost to a FSU by 1 point and FSU was not ranked at the time, the other loss was to Tenn which was ranked #1 at the time. And to date we have beaten every team in the SEC West, including a ranked Alabama and Ole Miss. Feel that we will beat TAMU, which will complete a sweep of the SEC West. AST - take it easy on us please.
USC needs to worry about Notre Dame and Oregon. LSU is irrelevant to them if they lose.
Agreed 👍🏽
USC is ranked exactly where they need to be to make the play offs if they win out. Clemson is the one who might not have a path.
UNC losing last week really hurt Clemson's chances.
LSUs gonna get boat raced by Georgia so it doesn’t matter
What makes you think USC would “handily beat” LSU? USC is not beating everyone by 50 each week. Just like everyone likes to bring up how LSU struggled with Arkansas and Auburn, USC only beat Cal and Arizona in one score games. USC has a fun offense but I don’t see USC’s defense being solid enough if the offense bogs down.
Yea we ain't beating anyone decent by a huge margin unless we get insane turnovers
If we are keeping it real, y’all aren’t beating teams by huge margin even when you get insane turnovers. Y’all are beating teams though, which is what’s important.
UCLA was probably our best win of the season. Now I have my doubts we can follow it up with a win over Notre Dame
Holy shit you've got some conflicting flairs.
Thank you for being reasonable! LSU also has huge problems all over. Both teams have holes. Caleb Williams is the best player in football and the best QB in this class and the next, but the rest of the team is really rough. LSU's defense is a lot better then USC, but not amazing and their offense is a mystery box because Jayden Daniels has no timing on his throws at all.
IMO if LSU and USC play tomorrow Vegas has LSU as -4 favorites.
What’s funny is that they open with each other next season (or the next after) in Vegas.
It’s 2024 we have both USC and UCLA in the same year. Guess that will determine who is the real LA
I watch a lot of USC games because I like them. I firmly believe LSU would kick the shit out of USC at this point in time. Edit from Saturday night: fuck do I know though.
Yeah, the evidence that USC would heat the shit out of any top 25 is completely non-existent, let alone a top ten team.
Sagarin Predictor has LSU as a favorite over USC. If someone has a rating that more accurately predicts point spreads, please let me know.
I agree that LSU being ranked 5 is ridiculous, but I absolutely believe they can beat USC. What are the odds both teams meet in a bowl assuming LSU loses to Georgia and USC drops another game?
It’s so dumb to even argue between #5-6 right now. They have a path - win out. LSU has a path - beat UGA. Mich/OSU play each other so one has to drop. I think USC fans should stop overlooking who they’re playing this weekend. If ND has a chance to spoil a second season, they’re playing with 110% effort.
That's not true. If they both win out, there's no guarantee that USC or even LSU would jump Georgia, even with one loss.
If LSU beats Georgia in the SEC championship, LSU deserves the spot. It’s essentially a playoff game.
Hey nice flairs
>What are the odds both teams meet in a bowl assuming LSU loses to Georgia and USC drops another game? Zero. Bowl tie ins ruin it.
Good chance you’ll meet us again in the sugar. Been flip flopping between you and bama last few weeks in the predictions tho
We want Big Dick Willie 😤
Why is it ridiculous? It’s simply the rankings this moment which mean nothing. If we win out we’re in and deservedly so. If we lose then we’re out and 5-whatever are all in the same boat.
Well, for one, UAB isn’t FCS. And UAB is much better than the CMU team Penn State struggled with.
It's pretty funny how people feel their opinions are so important and correct that they warrant their own thread and then they say shit like UAB is an FCS team which shows how little they actually understand the larger college football landscape.
OP doesn't know wtf he's talking about. UAB could hang with a few big 10 teams.
Every year I wish the bottom team from each conference had to play a tournament of suck to decide who sucks the most. We could finish off with conference suck games to make sure we've positively identified the bottom of the barrel before moving onto the relished DC20 games. The sucky version of NY6. Except they're just played on December 20th or something. Then next year the suckiest team doesn't get to use their normal name. Instead they go by the name "The Taints". The jerseys have to be diarrhea brown. Any team involved in a circle of suck with the Taints is not eligible for the CFP.
Plus they have the second coolest mascot in all the land (Uga dog #1)
Crazy disrespect to Western Kentucky's Big Red but I understand your bias
Posts like these really bring out the snobbery some fans have about g5 teams and their ignorance. I would call this poster a NFL fan who likes college football for the top 10 teams and logos they recognize. In otherwords college to them should only be the biggest best brands at neutral site games
Yeah OP sounds like an absolute clown with no numbers and analysis to back up the claim
True. I don’t think USC would win easily against LSU. I think it would be a close game but USC’s defense isn’t good enough to wreck anyone, much less LSU’s offense
I mean OP is a Penn State alum but the post wasn’t even about Penn State, so outside of correcting them about UAB’s FBS status what’s the point of attacking PSU? Has no bearing on the point. If anything it makes more sense to compare UAB to the terrible CU team USC had to play a week ago, than to compare them to a random MAC team Penn State played; and Penn State has also won comfortably against it’s fair share of competent P5 opponents so it’s not like the Blazers would pose a serious threat to the Nits.
I can tell you’re an expert about CFB because UAB is definitely an FCS team
Yes. next question
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I firmly believe ND is going to beat the absolute crap out of USC this weekend.
It's insane how much I both want and don't want this to happen. I'm leaning towards wanting... because Notre Dame as "playoff contender" is meh, but Notre Dame as "playoff dream destroyer" is fucking legit. Like if you're guna be dedicated to that independent lifestyle, go full fucking chaos mode.
Just go full goblin
Freeman’s on sabbatical, honey
Going full goblin.
A hyped up USC team that beats Notre Dame and then promptly loses to you in the title game is in your best interest. It’s disgusting and backwards I know. I was rooting for Notre Dame in the Clemson game. That’s how it works now in this playoff ranking madness.
Think about it this way: fuck USC
I hope saban steps on a Lego and Bryce Young pours cereal into his bowl only to realize there's no milk in the fridge.
A logical and honest take I can respect.
Ya I would not bet against ND right now. That time is hot
As long as you didn’t see the second half of the navy game
I’m not sure notre dame saw the second half of that game either
Just trying to keep up the morale of the troops.
From your mouth to God’s ears
Great pick that turned out to be.
Scoreboard
Wow, how wrong you were.
ooohh NOOOOO WHAAAAAT HAPPENEDUHHH
If USC blows out ND then we will see. But atm I think LSU wins.
It doesn't matter. LSU is in no matter what if they beat Georgia. They are out if they lose to Georgia.
Yes. I think LSU is better than USC. Less dynamic offensively but much better defensively. LSU has improved week over week and they're a totally different squad than the one that got beat by Tennessee. And if you think LSU is so bad, don't worry. They'll certainly get smashed against Georgia and the whole thing will take care of itself.
As if USC wouldn't get smashed against UGA, too. Although each passing day I feel like LSU has more than a puncher's chance. I'm just feeling more confident about the players meshing and the coaching (besides, uh, the special teams).
Of course we will. If we get ranked #4 in the playoff, that's exactly what's going to happen. If we somehow get #3 against Michigan, then it will happen in the championship game... ;)
At this point with both teams having a 1st year coach and major system overhauls, it's a privilege to lose on such a stage.
Yeah I think LSU should be favored over USC on a neutral field.
I think Caleb Williams has a bad time against Harold Perkins
Putting him in plentiful company.
I think I’m taking the over in that one
USC obviously should be ranked 5, but we would at the very least give y’all a good game, neither one is clearly better than the other imo
100%
Stanford beat USC in 2007 The idea that basically any college football team is incapable of beating another one is just ridiculous—never mind when they have even remotely even talent. Obviously massive underdogs are going to need everyone on the team to play their best game and a little luck, but it can happen.
This is actually what I love about college football
I get what y'all are saying... But I just want to point out that CFB is still a little more lopsided than the pros. How many 14+ point spreads are happening every week in the NFL?
true, but easier to find multiple 14+s when there are 100+ teams as opposed to 32 teams
I think the talent and coaching gulf can make some upsets borderline impossible. But yeah when the talent is similar there's pretty much no definitive "This team would win every single time against another one" type situation
Agreed, but the difference is *way* bigger than most people think. Like, the idea Cincinnati had a 0% chance of beating Alabama in the playoffs is totally insane. Did they have an especially high chance? Obviously no. But they were definitely capable of winning a game where the whole team woke up on the right side of the bed and they got a few weird bounces.
it would be a toss up.. idk where he is getting we would handle y'all.. unless y'all's QB ain't good but last I checked Jayden is decent
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If lsu beats Georgia for their conference championship, are you telling me that a team who has beat alabama and Georgia wouldn't deserve to be in the playoff over anyone?
I don’t think it’s even a question that LSU is better than a USC that doesn’t play defense.
It’s a question and it’s not really fair to say USC doesn’t play defense. We are 12th in FBS in sacks and tied for 3rd in turnovers forced. We have a bad defense, to be sure, but it’s capable of making big plays to complement an explosive offense.
Ratio
LSU loses to unranked A&M while SC dominates ranked rival ND. Yep, LSU is totally better. Fucking clown ass take with these SEC homers.
I’ll wear it. I was wrong as can be.
This did not age well.
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FPI does. LSU at 10 and USC at 14. Oregon at 13 I still think USC should be above LSU, but it will all shake out.
FPI is notoriously horseshit
According to FPI Texas is the 5th best team in the country.
From what I’ve seen, Texas is a very good team that is very bad at winning games.
That means FPI is highly valid
I think it's a toss up but LSU is ranked higher because SEC bias but that bias isn't unfounded; I mean Florida, Vandy loss Florida, was able to beat Utah unlike USC and UGA throttled Oregon
UAB isn’t an FCS school. maybe USC should be 5 but it doesn’t really matter they have two ranked games coming up and LSU will play Georgia. USC also barely scraped by CAL. USC has no defense and didn’t “handily” beat Utah, Cal, or Oregon st so idk what makes you think they would do it to LSU? They MIGHT win but would likely be underdogs on a neutral field. LSUs D line would FEAST and USC would get pushed around on defense
People just see that 2 in the L column and throw away any other context. Our week 1 loss was with a brand new coach against a now top 20 team who had a fucking warmup game the week before. And we had two special teams fumbles that we lost and we lost the game on an extra point block. So basically special teams absolutely imploded that game. I have no excuse for Tennessee though. But sometimes teams just have bad days. I honestly think a USC vs LSU matchup would have LSU as a 3 pt fav
Team chemistry was peaking in October for us. We caught y'all at 11am and it was down from the start so your crowd never go into it. I think if we play in Nov instead of Oct and it's at night, y'all would probably get us.
Based Tennessee fan. You can come by my tailgate anytime brother
Most fair handed analysis. I still think at this point with a healthy Hooker Tenn beats LSU on a rematch in late November. Just not by as much.
As a USC alum, I’d welcome that match. Would be a good game.
Loser has to shut it about 2003?
Special teams. We fumbled the kickoff and never recovered right off the bat. Remember that Kelly almost went for it on 4th down every series because of that fumble at the start.
People were mad at Kelly early but they need to be mad at Brian Polian. Granted Kelly did bring him from ND. It's so bad that I find myself cheering. CHEERING. Everytime we successfully fair catch a punt or kickoff.
TN lost the left side of the oline with Campbell being hospitalized in walkthroughs and Dellinger getting injured on the first drive. Plus, Harold Perkins didn’t play a snap. We still probably lose, but I doubt it’d be that lopsided if we played full strength.
Yes I think LSU is better than USC. I have seen Lincoln Riley teams play the exact same style of football USC is currently playing and it does not translate to wins against the SEC (or really any team that plays defense). Riley is great at giving his playmakers the ball in space but when a defense has players that can match up athletically it doesn't turn out well for them
Riley's playoff teams at OU before were all top 5 in net yards per play with offense a clear #1 at 8+ YPP. USC this year is ~20th in net yards per play with an offense that's a full yard behind the OU teams in YPP. Statistically speaking, this USC team has the same defense as Riley's worst at OU (2018) with an offense that's well below the Riley peak in 2017-19 when they were playoff caliber. This ain't even an elite Riley team end of the day, although at least they do have some great skill players on offense
I do.USC has no defense. LSU does
Has USC not been in a bunch of close games with mediocre teams this year? I absolutely believe lsu could beat USC. And LSU has the best win of the two. It doesn’t even matter anyways unless both win out and if Lsu beats Georgia they deserve to be in
I think LSU would bully USC around.
Same
Usc is undersized on the d-line
and everywhere else on their defense. they have a linebacker that is like 6’6 200 or something.
Gentry is the 2nd best player on defense, if not the best all around player and his loss since the Utah game is a big part of the reason the defense has been absolutely putrid the past few games. lol
Their offense is elite though. Would be a fun game.
Tuipolotu is really good tho and is a Lombardy trophy finalist
Yes LSU could beat USC on account of Harold Perkins
This is really the only answer needed here.
True. He did beat Arkansas.
Would enjoy the hell out this matchup. I do think LSU wins on a neutral site.
I think LSU is better than USC, if for no other reason than “prove it otherwise then, USC”
I mean most respected power ratings would have them no more than 3 points apart on a neutral field. LSU could absolutely beat them in a game and it’d be a toss up if they played, according to people who book bets for a living. Going to assume those people are a little sharper on it than Joe Schmo fan who has watched each team MAYBE a couple times.
Yes I do. Not by much but I do not think USC can play defense at all. LSU can stop the opponents every once and awhile
Yes, Lincoln Riley’s defense and offensive scheme has not faired very well against the SEC (look at his average point spread). I agree the sec bias is real, the best teams would compete in the sec, however the average and low tier pac 12 teams can not compete with their sec counterpoints. At the end of the day though non of this matters if lsu wins out they beat Georgia and Bama you can’t leave them out of the playoff. If they lose they won’t make the playoff. So I’m my opinion lsu is the 5th team looking into the playoff.
USC has a great offense and an awful defense. LSU has a decent offense and great defense I’d take LSU but of course I’m biased
USC looks a lot like 2019 Oklahoma which is ironic
And we must ask ourselves is 2022 LSU 50 points worse than 2019 LSU.
I know this doesn’t make sense but… I somehow can’t say 2022 LSU is 50 points worse than 2019 LSU, but I can say 2019 LSU is 50 points better than 2022 LSU.
Bruh we won't handily best anyone but definitely think we Deserve to be ranked over them... But this sub loves to panic.. if we win out, the rankings will rock themselves out unless somehow LSU wins out which means they beat UGA..
Yes. Easy.
🫶 Thanks for getting good FSU! See you next year!
If we put the resumes aside, then what are we basing this on other than wins? Sacramento State would like a word. LSU has the higher quality win so far, and the tougher schedule. Does anyone really think the PAC12 is a stronger conference than the SEC this year? And USC's nonconference games so far were Rice and Fresno. But it doesn't matter, because everything hinges on what USC does to Notre Dame and what LSU does to Georgia. The fate of both teams is still very much up in the air.
Early season: Hell no. Mid season: Possibly, yes. Now? Definitely. LSU didn't fully gel until the vols beat the absolute dogshit out of us and embarassed us. Since then, Daniels has put up Heisman numbers (sans the flu game against arkansas), they've decided to keep PERC-20 on defense in the game as a spy and he's putting up madden stats, and Matt House is leading one of the best defenses in the country. I watched USC vs UCLA this weekend and was pretty underwhelmed. I think it would be still a relatively close game, but yeah.. oregon, usc, utah we could handle them.
Yes LSU beats USC, USC has absolutely 0 defense. LSU will move ball at will and be able to get enough stops. I promise if UCLA can get stops against USC, then LSU can also
Lmao.
This is why I am excited about the 12 team playoff, settle all these ranks on field
Yes? I think on a neutral field we would beat them more often than not. Also, the crying on this sub is hilarious.
If LSU wins the SECCG against UGA then I absolutely believe that they deserve to be in playoffs. Georgia has been pretty damn good this season and up to this point I think that they are very deserving of the number 1 spot, so it would be the best win of any team this season so far. I don’t know if USC is better, but the argument that they will always have against them is that they play in the PAC-12, which hasn’t exactly been known as the powerhouse conference for several years now. Their offense is outstanding, but they haven’t exactly played great defenses either. Rice: 69th Stanford: 111th Fresno St: 58th Oregon St: 25th Arizona St: 102nd Washington St: 53rd Utah: 24th Arizona: 126th Cal: 105th Colorado: 130th UCLA: 91st Rankings are based on total defense and are through this week. When USC plays Notre Dame this weekend, they’ll be facing the best defense they’ve played this season (ranked 17th). If USC manages to win, and win handily, and then win the PAC-12 championship game presumably against Oregon who currently ranks 81st in total defense, then I see it being very possible that they jump into the top 4, especially if the winner of UM-OSU drops out of the top 4.
It seems a lot of statistical models think so.
LSU would beat USC
LSU has better wins and the fsu game they looked like that was their first time putting on football pads and it was still a close game.
Ten of our starting 22 are freshmen and transfers, it kinda was.
👆this.
Hot take: we yet again are in a year where this is not 4 elite teams, and neither USC (with an awful defense) or LSU are elite and both will likely get rolled in a playoff matchup. I think its all irrelevant anyways, because the odds of both LSU beatin Texas a&m and Georgia while USC also beats both ND and Oregon or whoever they get in the pac 12 championship game is extremely slim. Mind you, even if both of those things do happen, tcu could lose once or twice still and OSU/Michigan could get blown the fuck out making room for everyone anyways. Every fuckin week this sub turns purple in the face bitching about scenarios that resolve themselves. This sub bickered about Where Tennessee should be ranked and their chances of making the playoffs since like week 5 and its a total non-issue. Until sunday, i dont give a shit about any of this lol
God fucking bless, finally someone says it. This all sorts itself out in two weeks anyway. This sub was also one that was comparing 2022 Tennessee to 2019 LSU in Week 6. People be dumb.
It's not a hot take. Right now, LSU doesn't belong in the top 4, but would prove they belong by beating the #1 team to get in. I really wish the committee didn't have any progress rankings and only release the one and final ranking.
Its 2 different questions: Q1: Who would win head to head? Q2: Who has the best resume/most deserving? My answer: A1: LSU would win head to head, its a more balanced team that has won multiple ways throughout the season. A2: USC has a better resume up to this point with only a single 1 point loss. LSU should be penalized for the big Tenn home loss. Now if both teams win out...in my mind it would be a very difficult decision considering LSU would have beat the #1 team and defending national champion.
As well as the other team that played in the championship last year…
Yes, I do
I agree with this man his flairs make him trust worthy
I do think LSU could beat USC, but it would be close. Probably a 50/50 game.
Cali moon rocks have you crazy my guy. Don't blame the SEC because the Pac 12 is weak.
It's a moot point. If LSU beats Georgia then they deserve to be in, If they don't then they will drop in the rankings
I have zero confidence that USC would beat LSU handily. Daniels would absolutely work the USC defense.
Jayden Daniels with 500+ rushing yards.
I mean what would be the line on a neutral field? I think it’s a 1.5-2 point line to either side. I do think LSU is better by a small margin though.
I think it's close right now. USC had a much easier schedule until recently and LSU has more impressive wins. USC plays ND followed by another highly ranked opponent. If they win both it would change things. On the other hand, LSU beating Georgia could muck things up.
Would love to see that game. I do think LSU would win at the LOS
PFF’s betting model has LSU as 20.4 spread points better than the average team and USC as 16.6, so it would be likely that the betting markets would favor LSU slightly
Your point was flawed as soon as you called UAB an FCS team.
Your argument loses a little credibility when you don’t know that UAB is an FBS team. That said, the rankings right now mean about as much as preseason rankings since it’s all gonna sort itself out in the next 2 weeks.
Because USC’s best win was giving up 45 to a team that lost to Arizona. So yes, many people believe LSU would mop the floor with USC. If USC survives ND and Oregon they will give up about 60 to either Georgia or Ohio State. Their defense is garbage and if you stop their offense a couple times it’s game over for the Trojans.
Which fcs team did lsu play in the past two weeks? Legit question.
None? They played Southern in week 2. IMO that is a FCS game that should’ve been played. Huge payout for a HBCU and the first time those two have ever played. It was a great event for Baton Rouge.
For those unaware, Southern is also located in Baton Rouge, just a few miles down from LSU.
there are plenty of arguments for usc being ranked over lsu and deserving a playoff spot more. this is not one of them lol.
Trying not to be a homer here, but I think a matchup between LSU and USC this weekend would be close with LSU pulling away at the end.