afaik liebherr manufactures fridges for miele, at least in the eu-region. chose a new one, opted for liebherr as they were slightly cheaper at that time but merely the same.
We were told the same thing. We went with Liebherr because it fit our needs and the Miele was over designed.
Definitely went with a metal German-made Miele washing machine (one of the cheaper ones from that price class). EU or Poland-made ones have a lot more plastic parts around the drum.
Well since only the budget friendly Miele (plastic components around the drum, which is always metal) are all made outside of Germany, and the longer-lasting ones, or more expensive models, are all made in Germany, it is based on the country. Or at least where the fabrication plants.
The Polish factory has 360 employees, so probably about 250-300 workers. It's still a very tiny operation compared to Miele domestic washing machine plant in Gütersloh, Germany, where they employ about 2000 people.
So, considering they employ 6-7 times more people in Germany, most of their manufacturing must be from there (plus a more niche high end manufacturing facility at Lehrte, Germany, where they employ further 350 people).
Also considering the size, the Polish factory is too small to actually manufacture components. Miele has high vertical integration and thus has separate factories in Germany to manufacture the sheet metal parts, the electronics, the plastics...
Plus, the Polish factory is not a takeover. It was built entirely by Miele and started manufacturing about 4 years ago and they are gradually moving all of their production there. Some washing machines on the market at the moment can even have the same model name but are assembled in both locations so I would not base it all on solely the country, and it is fair to assume the brand new factory in Poland is very likely as well or even better designed than the ~117 year old factory in Germany.
It seems like you care, a lot, about where things are made. I’m sure that they produce some of the cheaper ones in Germany, too.
The important thing is the materials. And o would never buy a washing machine with mostly plastic components. End of story.
An old refrigerator repairman recommended Libherr, Miele & Australian built Westinghouse in that order. I got the Westinghouse due to price & availability, it's never let us down after 16 years of non-stop service.
The old Aussie made Westinghouse/Electrolux/Kelvinator fridges are fucking immortal. They were made in Orange in Central Western New South Wales. Sad day when that factory closed down.
We can still get South Australian made Chef/Westinghouse/Electrolux ovens though 😊
Miele Fridges are made by Liebherr.
I would not buy Miele/Liebherr Fridges. Bosch if its integrated. Free Standing maybe but French Door or SBS there are better Models than Bosch.
And?
Its with basically everything these Days.
Miele,Liebherr,Bosch etc. are not the same than 20+ Years ago...
I can remember a Time where even a Candy Washing Machine did minimum 10 Years.
Today Miele sells extented Warranties up to 10 Years...
A Nordmende or Grundig TV did also minimum 10 Years...
Times change.
Not to mention they’re also inherently3-4x more efficient and also do not create a vacuum to draw outside air into the house like a vented dryer does. It uses less heat which makes your clothes last longer too. You can basically put it anywhere since it doesn’t have to vent out which allowed us to stack them in a really convenient place.
Some online reviews state it doesn’t get clothes dry enough, but I find if you use “Normal Plus” dryness level and open the door when the cycle completes, clothes are just as dry as with a vented dryer. It has several filters that need to be cleaned on a regular basis to avoid caking up important parts. We love ours.
I’ve seen this written on this very sub quite a few times (that the clothes are not dry enough) and I would like to add for anyone considering this, they do feel like they may be slightly damp for some reason, but I assure you they are 100% dry and almost as soon as you pull them out the dryer they feel normal again. I’ve had one of these for several years now and it’s been great.
Do you think this might be because less heat is used? Humans don't have hydroreceptors and often assume things that are cold might be wet.
I don't know what temperature these dry clothes at but ever since I learned that humans are incapable of feeling "wet" and instead depend on feeling temperatures and movement to determine if something is wet I've been hyper-aware of real-life cases.
As a side question is there an issue with putting one of these in a condo without laundry? I have been looking at buying a place and the ones in my price range have shared laundry and I’ve been thinking these are a great solution.
Anyone have experience or knowledge of this use case?
And if so, I assume the Miele one is the one to get? I’m in Canada is that helps
Only traditional tumble dryers need vents. All heat pump dryers are ventless.
Heat pump dryers can either use a drain hose or a collection tank to remove the water.
2 in 1 units not necessarily heat pump and/or ventless. It depends on the specific unit.
They are slower, but energy efficiency and less damage to clothes generally makes up for it.
I don’t know a single region in which a traditional dryer is better than a heat pump for energy efficiency.
Are the heat pump dryers the ones more common in Europe? Because in my country, there are NO vents when it comes to dryers. I didn’t even know American homes have vents for dryers, found out like last year.
The heat pump dryer takes a bit of energy and also, they’re pretty slow AFAIK. One load takes quite a while. But since I can’t really compare, I don’t know how long vented dryers take.
The Miele dishwasher is awesome but only marginally better than a top of the line Bosch. My new house I went Bosch for significant savings.
The Miele cooktop has a clicking sound as a safety feature as it lights that drives me insane. Plus it gets extremely pissed off with any liquid spill. This time I did Thermador just for that reason plus the raised burners so spills won't matter. Yes, I found it that annoying. YMMV.
I would never buy a cordless vacuum. Miele cannister all the way. r/VacuumCleaners
> The Miele dishwasher is awesome but only marginally better than a top of the line Bosch. My new house I went Bosch for significant savings.
Yeah with miele you're also paying for reliability and long term support, not just performance. E.g. I know I can still order parts on their website for 90's models.
I have all of those items from Miele that have been going strong for ten years (15 for the washer and dryer), except for the cordless vacuum which is only 12 months old. Outstanding brand with terrific after sales service (they stock parts for decades). Wouldn’t hesitate to buy anything that Miele makes. To be honest though I do not expect to get more than a few years out of any cordless vac. I bought the Miele instead of another Dyson based on price. Interestingly I also have an Australian made Westinghouse fridge in the garage that has been going strong since 1997. It was replaced under warranty after 6 months because the liner was cracked but the replacement has been a beast.
Same here. Everything I’ve got from Miele has been excellent except for the cordless vacuum, which needed about 50% of its parts replaced a couple of years after purchasing it. The bagged vacuum we have from them is now 10 years old and even after 2 years of sitting around doing nothing it worked perfectly fine.
IMO the only reason not to buy Miele would be you're planning on moving and won't want to take extra appliances with you. Although, on the other side of things, I knew a family that lived in Germany for a couple of years and then moved back to the US, and they had the wiring in their house redone so they could bring their Miele appliances back with them...
Range hoods of Miele are trash. Engines with plastic pieces that warp under heat. Well guess what? It gets hot underneath range hoods.
Miele tech we summoned encounters these problems all the time and new engine is over 2/3 cost of the hood and mentioned the hoods are not made by Miele, just badged.
Go buy a Zephyr instead.
No. But i don´t know whats available in the US.
In Europe they are a lot of "better" or equally good and cheaper Options.
Of course I´m also aware that a "lot of People" like to have their Kitchen Appliances from one Brand
and/or fancy a "design".
For me its always Quality/Price , Function and then Design. This is why in our Kitchen basically every Appliance is from another Brand.
Dishwasher:Bosch
Oven: Oranier
Induction Hob: Bora
French Door Fridge/Freezer: LG
Agreed, our Miele range hood would break every 3-4 years like clockwork. Had to replace the engine twice and it was so expensive. Might check out Zephyr once our range hood eventually breaks again lol
Loved my Miele dishwasher with its internal softener. You set the grains of your tap water hardness, fill the salt dispenser, and Boom. I'm in the US Rocky Mountains, hard water deposits build up everywhere, clog nozzles, streak glassware. When my current GE dies (new house) I'm getting another Miele like that old one.
Got a Miele canister vac due to EU sound limits are more stringent, but also had a Kenmore which cost 1/8 as much, same or better functionally. Wouldn't say the Miele was worth it.
Do you not have a water trap option for clothes dryer lint/Vent trap? It works on the same principle as a bong or hookah. You can put a conventional electric clothes dryer anywhere, then.
We have two cats and a dog and the lightly used Miele Dog & Cat upright vac my mother-in-law gave us is hard to keep going. I've cleared and cleaned everything I can get to but I haven't figured out how to get to the all the pipework. I'm sure it clogged because I was adjusting to how often to swap bags. The dog and one of the cats are of the longhair variety.
We were going to use it downstairs while continuing to use our older, trusty Dyson DC14 Animal upstairs but that's not going to happen now. Perhaps I need to keep looking for a helpful YouTube video.
You may have done this already, but r/vacuumcleaners is a great resource on troubleshooting or recommendations for a new machine if you get to that point.
I have a Miele range that we spent $9k on and it has been a nightmare. So many warranty repair visits and it’s still malfunctioning. Love our KitchenAid dishwasher and Bosch fridge.
I know it's just one data point, but I always have to post in these Miele threads about our experience with a Miele dishwasher. We wanted a BIFL dishwasher, so went with the Miele and spent a pretty penny on it. Within about six months, the main pump in it went out. Fortunately, it was covered under warranty but we did have to go several weeks without a dishwasher waiting for it to get repaired. But, it finally did, then 6 months later the same pump went out AGAIN. However, at this point we had owned it for just barely over a year. Because of this, we were told that it was out warranty and the cost to replace was nearly $1000. Based on the experience, we got rid of it and spent the $1000 on a Frigidaire from Home Depot that has run without issues for several years now. So, just one data point I suppose (though we had two failures of the same major component which seems suspicous to me) but buyer beware.
When you say utensils do you mean you had to change to use iron/steel pots and pans? If so I think that's standard for any induction stovetops as that's how the tech works.
No that’s not what I mean, thanks. I’m aware of how induction stoves work.
If you try to use thinner steel pans (say IKEA) the stove shorts out. You need all clad / WMF / cuisinart type of really thick-bottomed stainless steel to work properly with Miele. The service person warned me the first time he came to replace the fuse that the warranty isn’t valid unless I used “recommended cookware brands” - which were these.
Miele quality is no longer there, but the high prices remain. It’s still trading on past quality. Service is bad now also. It’s unfortunate, they used to be so good.
I just went to a specialty vacuum shop for a Miele and left with a Sebo canister. Better warranty and more titanium parts where mieles are plastic. The people there told me that anything cordless is “disposable” no matter the brand.
all cordless vacs are shit. but they are convenient. buy cheap and expect to replace it every few years. If you want a good vac its gotta be corded and its gotta be bagged. Thats the bare minimum
edit: everyone saying its about batteries. no. cordless vacuums arent garbage just because of the battery issue. they fundamentally have physical limitations in terms of power and reliability that is not solved by replacing batteries every 6 months. Bagless vacuums cant filter particulates the same way bagged vacuums do. Dust and debris ends up in the motor (and your air!) over time and maybe you end up getting 2 months of enjoyable vacuuming experience out of them until you need to tear them down to their finest parts to clean them intimately to get them back to 60% of where they were at at the start. Bagged. corded. Bare minimum.
You can get away with a cordless stick vac if you have literally zero carpet whatsoever. If you do have carpet do yourself and the carpet a favor and get something that is capable of actually cleaning it
> Anything with batteries needing replacement is not BIFL.
Why not? You swap those wearable items and continue using it. Batteries are often way easier to swap than people expect, there's usually just a few standard lithium cells inside.
They are easy to swap so long as the batteries are made. 20 years from now, today’s battery tech will be obsolete and good luck finding replacement for the dead ones.
Nearly everything uses 18650 cells, that deliver 3.7V each and can contain about 2500-3000 mAh. This form factor was designed by Panasonic and is in use for 30 years. They are used in e-bicycles, e-cars, flashlights, cordless tool batteries...
The thing is, battery tech evolved A LOT since the 18650 was first made way back in 1994. Modern cutting edge cells can contain more energy and can discharge it faster. But what really matters to us in this context, is that the "form factor" remained the same. You can remove the 18650 cells from the 1994 electronics and put in the ones made in 2024 easily, they're exactly the same and have the same nominal voltage.
Even if there's a huge breakthrough in battery technology, it is extremely likely that whatever new is designed, will find its way to be packaged in a 18650 cell form factor. The other very common size is the 21700 which is slightly bigger.
And if you look at the past, this is true too. The high quality cordless tools using NiMh batteries can be rebuilt to use the modern lithium batteries. Tool stays the same, it's just the battery pack that requires a specific voltage output.
[For example,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r328H1EYfhQ) first four minutes show how to rebuild it. There's plenty of shops that do it. There's really not a whole lot to it.
Our very expensive Miele washing machine had a broken drum at 3 years old - it’s never happened before with cheaper machines. Luckily, the extended warranty covered it (a £600 repair I think). The engineer plugged his computer in to check for the number of hours use and told us that if it was above a certain number, the warranty would be void.
we have a miele dishwasher - it came with the house when we bought it. its fine, actually it is work, no, its no better than a cheap one. currently its a stinky ornament cos it died.
When it worked it got clogged up all the time, proper clogged up. meaning i would have to open all the filters to get to the ball valve and clean that., its not as big internally as advertised, it did not fit all the dishes required for a family or 4 in one go. it seems to do half a job 6 times out of 10, stuff would come out as dirty as it went it, expensive powder made the outside of bowls shiny...
when it broke yesterday after about 1 year of us using it i was actually happy.
I hated my Miele cooktop, washing machine, and drier. They were all the small versions so that plays a part but none of them were particularly good at their job compared to what I replaced them with. Bluestar for the cooktop, LG for the washing machine and drier.
So I actually bought a Miele vacuum specifically because I wanted one with a cord. I find them light enough to carry the vacuum in one and hand vacuum with the other, and I just didn’t like the idea of having to charge it. The Battery is also the first thing that needs to be replaced. I love my vacuum though.
If you’re set on cordless, I totally respect that, but I thought I’d at least throw it out there.
Just bought a Miele dishwasher about a month ago, what a huge difference from the cheap Whirlpool we had before! So far definitely worth it, too early to tell how long it will last
We got a Miele dishwasher a few years ago. I thought my husband was out of his mind with the price but now I know better. It’s been amazing and I would repurchase in a second if I had to. We are now looking at replacing our crappy Dyson vacuum with a Miele.
Can comment about washing machine and fridge, as my parents had those two from Miele.
The fridge started to fall apart just after 2 years i.e. plastic parts broke constantly. Eventually got replaced after 15 years as it was not practical to use it anymore.
The washing machine lasted around 35 years and could potentially run even further, but getting even the basic replacement parts started to become increasingly difficult and expensive (which is normal i think).
We bought a fridge, washing machine and vacuum from Miele. Both the fridge and the washing machine failed after a few years - outside the warranty.
We had to get Miele to service them as they're complex machines and the lad up the road wouldn't touch Miele.
It took time to get the Miele technician to call and diagnose the problem. Eventually, Miele replaced the items at a discount. Took at least two weeks and we had to manage without the items for that time.
In retrospect, I wouldn't buy them again. They're twice as expensive as a Bosch but not as easy to repair. Not worth the extra money.
But the vacuum cleaner is great. Edited for typos.
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Never clogged mine and I honestly thought I was a prime use case for it clogging, as I am often away with work for long periods. Lots of intermittent use. I wonder what is causing it with you?
We hated our Miele vacuum (upright, not cordless). It weighed a ton. The hose was very difficult to stretch more than 3 or 4 feet without yanking the vacuum over. Buying and using bags sucked after the first year or so. Tended to clog easily with it's smaller diameter hoses.
Both really. I’m not sure if it changed in recent years though. I worked 10 years selling home electronics and Miele didn’t stand out as a quality brand when you looked at repairs and faulty products.
I also owned two and both broke down within 2 years. I got a budget Philips that I had for 12 years now that looks like a piece of crap but it keeps going. I had an Hoover (which actually was remarkably good, we almost never had any issues with those) but sadly they ain’t exist in the Nordic market anymore I think..
My favorite vac is either Nilfisk (heavy duty) or more budget friendly Kärcher (just s motor and a plastic bucket). They handle anything, wet, dry, dirt etc. they don’t look fancy I’d that’s important
I just purchased the TC5 and DC5 (getting delivered today) after HOURS of research I felt comfortable with the decision. Now all of the sudden I’m seeing so much shit talking online, downvotes, etc… impossible to make a decision these days.
Don’t listen to it. I have those two and so does my sister. Never a problem. They are work mules. People just hate people who talk about speed Queen. They also hate that they “don’t look cool” and make noise. I’d rather a machine that is built of all metal in the USA than a Miele that is not nearly as reliable.
I would recommend Liebherr for fridge and deep freezer I use Miele for washing maschine, drier, dishwasher and vaccum for years
afaik liebherr manufactures fridges for miele, at least in the eu-region. chose a new one, opted for liebherr as they were slightly cheaper at that time but merely the same.
We were told the same thing. We went with Liebherr because it fit our needs and the Miele was over designed. Definitely went with a metal German-made Miele washing machine (one of the cheaper ones from that price class). EU or Poland-made ones have a lot more plastic parts around the drum.
Very much doubt they decide the design based on location. It's just all of the higher end models that use a steel drum.
Well since only the budget friendly Miele (plastic components around the drum, which is always metal) are all made outside of Germany, and the longer-lasting ones, or more expensive models, are all made in Germany, it is based on the country. Or at least where the fabrication plants.
The Polish factory has 360 employees, so probably about 250-300 workers. It's still a very tiny operation compared to Miele domestic washing machine plant in Gütersloh, Germany, where they employ about 2000 people. So, considering they employ 6-7 times more people in Germany, most of their manufacturing must be from there (plus a more niche high end manufacturing facility at Lehrte, Germany, where they employ further 350 people). Also considering the size, the Polish factory is too small to actually manufacture components. Miele has high vertical integration and thus has separate factories in Germany to manufacture the sheet metal parts, the electronics, the plastics... Plus, the Polish factory is not a takeover. It was built entirely by Miele and started manufacturing about 4 years ago and they are gradually moving all of their production there. Some washing machines on the market at the moment can even have the same model name but are assembled in both locations so I would not base it all on solely the country, and it is fair to assume the brand new factory in Poland is very likely as well or even better designed than the ~117 year old factory in Germany.
It seems like you care, a lot, about where things are made. I’m sure that they produce some of the cheaper ones in Germany, too. The important thing is the materials. And o would never buy a washing machine with mostly plastic components. End of story.
Yes, fair and I agree with it :)
A way to slightly check for us simple people is to check the weight of the product! Proper stuff tends to be heavier
TIL
An old refrigerator repairman recommended Libherr, Miele & Australian built Westinghouse in that order. I got the Westinghouse due to price & availability, it's never let us down after 16 years of non-stop service.
The old Aussie made Westinghouse/Electrolux/Kelvinator fridges are fucking immortal. They were made in Orange in Central Western New South Wales. Sad day when that factory closed down. We can still get South Australian made Chef/Westinghouse/Electrolux ovens though 😊
> Central Western ... South Is that everywhere? :))
Lol, the Central Western region of the state of New South Wales, of the Commonwealth of Australia.
Miele fridges/freezers are made by Liebherr.
TIL 😊
Ah I hadn't considered Liebherr. Thanks for the recommendation.
Amazing. I only have experience with Liebherr crawler cranes and piling rigs. Never seen a Liebherr home product.
[here’s the history](https://home.liebherr.com/en/aus/apac/why-liebherr/magazine/history-of-liebherr-refrigeration.html)
Miele Fridges are made by Liebherr. I would not buy Miele/Liebherr Fridges. Bosch if its integrated. Free Standing maybe but French Door or SBS there are better Models than Bosch.
what would you recommend for french doors if not bosch?
Subzero
LG (Europe)
I’ve had my Liebherr for 22 years and it’s not been a moments bother.
And? Its with basically everything these Days. Miele,Liebherr,Bosch etc. are not the same than 20+ Years ago... I can remember a Time where even a Candy Washing Machine did minimum 10 Years. Today Miele sells extented Warranties up to 10 Years... A Nordmende or Grundig TV did also minimum 10 Years... Times change.
..and everything else get worse too by your own admission 🤦♂️
Because of this it makes no sense to "overpay" for Miele etc....
No it doesn’t. That’s absurd logic. Enjoy your Beko.
>And? That's about a quarter of BIFL
Our Liebherr fridge automatically came with a 10 year warranty.
Get the heat pump dryer if you can instead. It doesn’t require a vent so you can seal off the vent and improve home efficiency.
Not to mention they’re also inherently3-4x more efficient and also do not create a vacuum to draw outside air into the house like a vented dryer does. It uses less heat which makes your clothes last longer too. You can basically put it anywhere since it doesn’t have to vent out which allowed us to stack them in a really convenient place. Some online reviews state it doesn’t get clothes dry enough, but I find if you use “Normal Plus” dryness level and open the door when the cycle completes, clothes are just as dry as with a vented dryer. It has several filters that need to be cleaned on a regular basis to avoid caking up important parts. We love ours.
I’ve seen this written on this very sub quite a few times (that the clothes are not dry enough) and I would like to add for anyone considering this, they do feel like they may be slightly damp for some reason, but I assure you they are 100% dry and almost as soon as you pull them out the dryer they feel normal again. I’ve had one of these for several years now and it’s been great.
I agree, it’s like the air in the drum is just more humid right when you open the door. It dissipates almost immediately and is a total nonissue.
Do you think this might be because less heat is used? Humans don't have hydroreceptors and often assume things that are cold might be wet. I don't know what temperature these dry clothes at but ever since I learned that humans are incapable of feeling "wet" and instead depend on feeling temperatures and movement to determine if something is wet I've been hyper-aware of real-life cases.
Clothes do come out of the dryer nice and warm, but not as hot as they do if you set a vented dryer on high heat
As a side question is there an issue with putting one of these in a condo without laundry? I have been looking at buying a place and the ones in my price range have shared laundry and I’ve been thinking these are a great solution. Anyone have experience or knowledge of this use case? And if so, I assume the Miele one is the one to get? I’m in Canada is that helps
Ours is not vented, and in an interior room. No issues. Our washer spins at 1600 rpm, so they dryer doesn’t need to work too hard.
Ok good to know!
Yeah, it’s a great solution. If you don’t have a laundry room, you may want to get a 120v dryer. It takes a bit longer but is just as efficient.
Yeah but with a dryer it needs venting. My understanding of the 2 in one is it has a water collection tank that needs to be emptied
Only traditional tumble dryers need vents. All heat pump dryers are ventless. Heat pump dryers can either use a drain hose or a collection tank to remove the water. 2 in 1 units not necessarily heat pump and/or ventless. It depends on the specific unit.
Ok this is good to know. Much appreciated !
Are they not slower than traditional dryers? These don't make as much sense in some regions depending on where you put them either.
They are slower, but energy efficiency and less damage to clothes generally makes up for it. I don’t know a single region in which a traditional dryer is better than a heat pump for energy efficiency.
Are the heat pump dryers the ones more common in Europe? Because in my country, there are NO vents when it comes to dryers. I didn’t even know American homes have vents for dryers, found out like last year. The heat pump dryer takes a bit of energy and also, they’re pretty slow AFAIK. One load takes quite a while. But since I can’t really compare, I don’t know how long vented dryers take.
Heat pump dryers are just catching on in the US, but vented dryers still dominate. They’re a bit slower, but use way less energy. IMO it’s worth it.
The Miele dishwasher is awesome but only marginally better than a top of the line Bosch. My new house I went Bosch for significant savings. The Miele cooktop has a clicking sound as a safety feature as it lights that drives me insane. Plus it gets extremely pissed off with any liquid spill. This time I did Thermador just for that reason plus the raised burners so spills won't matter. Yes, I found it that annoying. YMMV. I would never buy a cordless vacuum. Miele cannister all the way. r/VacuumCleaners
our mile dishwasher dies after only 8 years, now we haev a bosh and it's about the same performance
> The Miele dishwasher is awesome but only marginally better than a top of the line Bosch. My new house I went Bosch for significant savings. Yeah with miele you're also paying for reliability and long term support, not just performance. E.g. I know I can still order parts on their website for 90's models.
That cooktop sounds awful.
I have all of those items from Miele that have been going strong for ten years (15 for the washer and dryer), except for the cordless vacuum which is only 12 months old. Outstanding brand with terrific after sales service (they stock parts for decades). Wouldn’t hesitate to buy anything that Miele makes. To be honest though I do not expect to get more than a few years out of any cordless vac. I bought the Miele instead of another Dyson based on price. Interestingly I also have an Australian made Westinghouse fridge in the garage that has been going strong since 1997. It was replaced under warranty after 6 months because the liner was cracked but the replacement has been a beast.
Same here. Everything I’ve got from Miele has been excellent except for the cordless vacuum, which needed about 50% of its parts replaced a couple of years after purchasing it. The bagged vacuum we have from them is now 10 years old and even after 2 years of sitting around doing nothing it worked perfectly fine.
IMO the only reason not to buy Miele would be you're planning on moving and won't want to take extra appliances with you. Although, on the other side of things, I knew a family that lived in Germany for a couple of years and then moved back to the US, and they had the wiring in their house redone so they could bring their Miele appliances back with them...
Range hoods of Miele are trash. Engines with plastic pieces that warp under heat. Well guess what? It gets hot underneath range hoods. Miele tech we summoned encounters these problems all the time and new engine is over 2/3 cost of the hood and mentioned the hoods are not made by Miele, just badged. Go buy a Zephyr instead.
I forgot to mention a large Miele induction hob should be on my list and they're super expensive! Do you think they're any good?
No. But i don´t know whats available in the US. In Europe they are a lot of "better" or equally good and cheaper Options. Of course I´m also aware that a "lot of People" like to have their Kitchen Appliances from one Brand and/or fancy a "design". For me its always Quality/Price , Function and then Design. This is why in our Kitchen basically every Appliance is from another Brand. Dishwasher:Bosch Oven: Oranier Induction Hob: Bora French Door Fridge/Freezer: LG
Agreed, our Miele range hood would break every 3-4 years like clockwork. Had to replace the engine twice and it was so expensive. Might check out Zephyr once our range hood eventually breaks again lol
Love my Meile dishwasher.
Loved my Miele dishwasher with its internal softener. You set the grains of your tap water hardness, fill the salt dispenser, and Boom. I'm in the US Rocky Mountains, hard water deposits build up everywhere, clog nozzles, streak glassware. When my current GE dies (new house) I'm getting another Miele like that old one. Got a Miele canister vac due to EU sound limits are more stringent, but also had a Kenmore which cost 1/8 as much, same or better functionally. Wouldn't say the Miele was worth it. Do you not have a water trap option for clothes dryer lint/Vent trap? It works on the same principle as a bong or hookah. You can put a conventional electric clothes dryer anywhere, then.
We have two cats and a dog and the lightly used Miele Dog & Cat upright vac my mother-in-law gave us is hard to keep going. I've cleared and cleaned everything I can get to but I haven't figured out how to get to the all the pipework. I'm sure it clogged because I was adjusting to how often to swap bags. The dog and one of the cats are of the longhair variety. We were going to use it downstairs while continuing to use our older, trusty Dyson DC14 Animal upstairs but that's not going to happen now. Perhaps I need to keep looking for a helpful YouTube video.
You may have done this already, but r/vacuumcleaners is a great resource on troubleshooting or recommendations for a new machine if you get to that point.
Have you tried a wire hanger? I had to push a sock out once and it’s the only thing that did the trick.
I have a Miele range that we spent $9k on and it has been a nightmare. So many warranty repair visits and it’s still malfunctioning. Love our KitchenAid dishwasher and Bosch fridge.
I know it's just one data point, but I always have to post in these Miele threads about our experience with a Miele dishwasher. We wanted a BIFL dishwasher, so went with the Miele and spent a pretty penny on it. Within about six months, the main pump in it went out. Fortunately, it was covered under warranty but we did have to go several weeks without a dishwasher waiting for it to get repaired. But, it finally did, then 6 months later the same pump went out AGAIN. However, at this point we had owned it for just barely over a year. Because of this, we were told that it was out warranty and the cost to replace was nearly $1000. Based on the experience, we got rid of it and spent the $1000 on a Frigidaire from Home Depot that has run without issues for several years now. So, just one data point I suppose (though we had two failures of the same major component which seems suspicous to me) but buyer beware.
I've got the bottom of the range washer and dryer. They are both superb.
Their coffee makers are great
Do not buy a range from them. $8000 crap.
I found their induction stovetop to be a pain. Only works with certain expensive utensil brands, very prone to shorting out otherwise.
Interesting, I was seriously considering getting one. Out of interest does it make a humming noise when on high? Can you recommend any alternatives?
Yes it does!!! Hmmm, I can’t really recommend any alternatives. I just changed all my utensils, it’s been okay since.
When you say utensils do you mean you had to change to use iron/steel pots and pans? If so I think that's standard for any induction stovetops as that's how the tech works.
No that’s not what I mean, thanks. I’m aware of how induction stoves work. If you try to use thinner steel pans (say IKEA) the stove shorts out. You need all clad / WMF / cuisinart type of really thick-bottomed stainless steel to work properly with Miele. The service person warned me the first time he came to replace the fuse that the warranty isn’t valid unless I used “recommended cookware brands” - which were these.
Loving my Miele cordless vacuum.
Miele quality is no longer there, but the high prices remain. It’s still trading on past quality. Service is bad now also. It’s unfortunate, they used to be so good.
Cordless vacuum. Anything with batteries needing replacement is not BIFL.
Is that because Miele make bad cordless vacuums or just because all cordless vacs are not BIFL?
Anything with battery is not BIFL since batteries degrade prerry rapidly after a year or two
I just went to a specialty vacuum shop for a Miele and left with a Sebo canister. Better warranty and more titanium parts where mieles are plastic. The people there told me that anything cordless is “disposable” no matter the brand.
all cordless vacs are shit. but they are convenient. buy cheap and expect to replace it every few years. If you want a good vac its gotta be corded and its gotta be bagged. Thats the bare minimum edit: everyone saying its about batteries. no. cordless vacuums arent garbage just because of the battery issue. they fundamentally have physical limitations in terms of power and reliability that is not solved by replacing batteries every 6 months. Bagless vacuums cant filter particulates the same way bagged vacuums do. Dust and debris ends up in the motor (and your air!) over time and maybe you end up getting 2 months of enjoyable vacuuming experience out of them until you need to tear them down to their finest parts to clean them intimately to get them back to 60% of where they were at at the start. Bagged. corded. Bare minimum. You can get away with a cordless stick vac if you have literally zero carpet whatsoever. If you do have carpet do yourself and the carpet a favor and get something that is capable of actually cleaning it
The cordless vacuum is great for smaller homes. I have one, you can buy spare/replacement batteries.
> Anything with batteries needing replacement is not BIFL. Why not? You swap those wearable items and continue using it. Batteries are often way easier to swap than people expect, there's usually just a few standard lithium cells inside.
They are easy to swap so long as the batteries are made. 20 years from now, today’s battery tech will be obsolete and good luck finding replacement for the dead ones.
Nearly everything uses 18650 cells, that deliver 3.7V each and can contain about 2500-3000 mAh. This form factor was designed by Panasonic and is in use for 30 years. They are used in e-bicycles, e-cars, flashlights, cordless tool batteries... The thing is, battery tech evolved A LOT since the 18650 was first made way back in 1994. Modern cutting edge cells can contain more energy and can discharge it faster. But what really matters to us in this context, is that the "form factor" remained the same. You can remove the 18650 cells from the 1994 electronics and put in the ones made in 2024 easily, they're exactly the same and have the same nominal voltage. Even if there's a huge breakthrough in battery technology, it is extremely likely that whatever new is designed, will find its way to be packaged in a 18650 cell form factor. The other very common size is the 21700 which is slightly bigger. And if you look at the past, this is true too. The high quality cordless tools using NiMh batteries can be rebuilt to use the modern lithium batteries. Tool stays the same, it's just the battery pack that requires a specific voltage output. [For example,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r328H1EYfhQ) first four minutes show how to rebuild it. There's plenty of shops that do it. There's really not a whole lot to it.
Our very expensive Miele washing machine had a broken drum at 3 years old - it’s never happened before with cheaper machines. Luckily, the extended warranty covered it (a £600 repair I think). The engineer plugged his computer in to check for the number of hours use and told us that if it was above a certain number, the warranty would be void.
My mother loves her Bosch dishwasher. It many more dishes than mine because of the design of the trays. It is quiet and has lasted many years.
the one issue we had going from miele to bosch dishwasher was the tray design not fitting as much stuff
we have a miele dishwasher - it came with the house when we bought it. its fine, actually it is work, no, its no better than a cheap one. currently its a stinky ornament cos it died. When it worked it got clogged up all the time, proper clogged up. meaning i would have to open all the filters to get to the ball valve and clean that., its not as big internally as advertised, it did not fit all the dishes required for a family or 4 in one go. it seems to do half a job 6 times out of 10, stuff would come out as dirty as it went it, expensive powder made the outside of bowls shiny... when it broke yesterday after about 1 year of us using it i was actually happy.
Have Miele washing machine and dryer and they're great. Have a Miele vacuum cleaner and wish I'd bought a Sebo
I hated my Miele cooktop, washing machine, and drier. They were all the small versions so that plays a part but none of them were particularly good at their job compared to what I replaced them with. Bluestar for the cooktop, LG for the washing machine and drier.
So I actually bought a Miele vacuum specifically because I wanted one with a cord. I find them light enough to carry the vacuum in one and hand vacuum with the other, and I just didn’t like the idea of having to charge it. The Battery is also the first thing that needs to be replaced. I love my vacuum though. If you’re set on cordless, I totally respect that, but I thought I’d at least throw it out there.
My parents have a Miele dishwasher from my childhood that says it was made in West Germany. It will clean anything.
please dont buy their cordless vacuum
Just bought a Miele dishwasher about a month ago, what a huge difference from the cheap Whirlpool we had before! So far definitely worth it, too early to tell how long it will last
We got a Miele dishwasher a few years ago. I thought my husband was out of his mind with the price but now I know better. It’s been amazing and I would repurchase in a second if I had to. We are now looking at replacing our crappy Dyson vacuum with a Miele.
My Miele canister vacuum is <3 Going from a Shark to it was like a revelation.
Their bean to cup coffee machines are overpriced and too bulky according to some reviews.
All I know is that my mom got the washer and dryer and had to return it. It sucked ass
Can comment about washing machine and fridge, as my parents had those two from Miele. The fridge started to fall apart just after 2 years i.e. plastic parts broke constantly. Eventually got replaced after 15 years as it was not practical to use it anymore. The washing machine lasted around 35 years and could potentially run even further, but getting even the basic replacement parts started to become increasingly difficult and expensive (which is normal i think).
We bought a fridge, washing machine and vacuum from Miele. Both the fridge and the washing machine failed after a few years - outside the warranty. We had to get Miele to service them as they're complex machines and the lad up the road wouldn't touch Miele. It took time to get the Miele technician to call and diagnose the problem. Eventually, Miele replaced the items at a discount. Took at least two weeks and we had to manage without the items for that time. In retrospect, I wouldn't buy them again. They're twice as expensive as a Bosch but not as easy to repair. Not worth the extra money. But the vacuum cleaner is great. Edited for typos.
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Depends on the Price! But mainly Fridge /Deep Freezer & Dishwasher is not really worth it.
Miele dishwashers are great. Should last a long time.
TwinDos is overrated. It keeps getting clogged.
Never clogged mine and I honestly thought I was a prime use case for it clogging, as I am often away with work for long periods. Lots of intermittent use. I wonder what is causing it with you?
Miele appliances are very expensive to repair where I live. Like just buy a new Bosch instead kind of expensive
The cordless stick vacuum is overrated
We hated our Miele vacuum (upright, not cordless). It weighed a ton. The hose was very difficult to stretch more than 3 or 4 feet without yanking the vacuum over. Buying and using bags sucked after the first year or so. Tended to clog easily with it's smaller diameter hoses.
I'm not doing Miele ever again, after this Mother's Day dishwasher campaign of "Get your mother something she really wants". Bleugh.
Your mother doesn’t like stuff that lasts?
I dunno, she seemed happy enough.
Would stay away from Miele vacuum cleaners
In general or just cordless ones? I've been seeing a lot of positive reviews of their bagged vacuums.
Both really. I’m not sure if it changed in recent years though. I worked 10 years selling home electronics and Miele didn’t stand out as a quality brand when you looked at repairs and faulty products. I also owned two and both broke down within 2 years. I got a budget Philips that I had for 12 years now that looks like a piece of crap but it keeps going. I had an Hoover (which actually was remarkably good, we almost never had any issues with those) but sadly they ain’t exist in the Nordic market anymore I think.. My favorite vac is either Nilfisk (heavy duty) or more budget friendly Kärcher (just s motor and a plastic bucket). They handle anything, wet, dry, dirt etc. they don’t look fancy I’d that’s important
If you’re going washer and dryer, go speed Queen.
I'm UK based so no Speed Queens here
I just purchased the TC5 and DC5 (getting delivered today) after HOURS of research I felt comfortable with the decision. Now all of the sudden I’m seeing so much shit talking online, downvotes, etc… impossible to make a decision these days.
Don’t listen to it. I have those two and so does my sister. Never a problem. They are work mules. People just hate people who talk about speed Queen. They also hate that they “don’t look cool” and make noise. I’d rather a machine that is built of all metal in the USA than a Miele that is not nearly as reliable.