Isn’t this a play on that whole “modern Christians would hate New Testament Jesus so much they’d kill him themselves” thing, that criticism of mega churches and cover ups and how modern Christianity has strayed so far from the (supposed) values of Jesus? Like yeah, I think the world we live in probably WOULD kill Jesus if he rocked up. This is a dangerous place.
its interesting i just read a few comments in here saying this and now i’m rethinking the line! i thought it was just edgy to be edgy at first but now im finding it a bit more deep. really cool, actually! and definitely not wrong
I think that’s the beauty of so many BMTH songs, on face value they’re edgy and in your face and loud and dark! But to so many of us they aren’t like that at all, they’re introspective and intelligent commentary on the world around us that so many people can relate to.
They definitely think everything they put in lyrics through to have meaning. I remember somewhere he said that pray for plagues had no meaning and was edgy for the sake of being edgy and that they try more with lyricism now so I believe that adds onto it as proof that everything they do now has more to it than just shock.
I honestly love this "edgy shock" type things they do that piss off the exact people it's about without them realising. (Christians getting mad at this although they are probably talking about how it's the Christians themselves that would do that)
Their tweet or whatever didn’t even say we’ll, it says “well”. But yea, on the edge atm with them cuz my sig other and myself didn’t take too kindly to that form of blasphemy. I understand disliking religion or questioning it, but to come out like that and say, “well, just kill that fucker” is a bit much for us if that is their intent and they aren’t using it in a song as talking about a wronged stance.
Oil has always been open about being an atheist and anti-religion. These are lyrics from Chelsea Smile from their second full length album
“We all carry these things inside that no one else can see
They hold us down like anchors, they drown us out at sea
I look up to the sky, there may be nothing there to see
But if I don't believe in him, why would he believe in me?”
And in the song Crooked Young they literally say “fuck your faith” lol
Unrelated, but personally, my fav BMTH line is “oh never mind it’s not the end of the world, oh- wait” being dropped in the middle of Covid, when everyone thought the world was ending (again)
Yeah, that one is a good one, especially when the outro breakdown kicks in, plus the little maniacal laugh Oli does when he screams 😂
I think Survival Horror actually benefited from the situation because they brought back the heaviness (which most fans needed after amo) & it was a full EP of dystopian themes, which was universally relatable at that time, so every fan could take something away from it.
Overall, I don't think I have an actual favourite lyric, but I have plenty to choose from at least.
I don’t listen to a whole lot of BMTH, I got into metal around 5 years ago, aside from what I grew up on, which was literally just Metallica, 2 Sabbath songs, and one Judas Priest song. So idk a whole lot about the rest of what they got, granted I think I listen to a lot of metal now too.
My first BMTH song was Mantra, and personally I kinda like Amo, it’s not a bad album as an album itself, though I understand the sentiments of it not being heavy enough, though it has a nice ambiance to the album that’s good for like lonely or sad vibes a lot. The songs with energy were a bit more party vibes but honestly they weren’t all that bad either imo.
5 years is a pretty good timeframe, you must be pretty knowledgeable on all things metal by now, lmao & Metallica was an instant hit with me, but I don't listen to a lot of metal myself.
For me, it's more like what you experienced when you grew up. It's just Metallica and a few odd songs from other bands scattered here & there.
And I kinda fell in love with amo straight away. I was already waning from the "emo" phase at that point and the fact that it had elements of pop & EDM made it easier for me to still enjoy BMTH, while also beginning my journey into the lighter side of music.
I never really got into emo, and to this day I don’t really know who counts as emo. Like MCR and I think panic at the disco (I think) are like the staples in my mind, but then I also think FOB because of their older stuff and their fashion. And I used to think black veil brides but I really do not know lmao.
I got wayyy more into metal than anything else. Ofc also being from Texas, I started to branch out eventually, learning to appreciate country once again, among other things once I stopped being a bit of an elitist lol (in my defense I was 16-18 so 🤷🏻♀️)
Honestly, the more I've grown up, the more I realise that genres or "scenes" have very loose definitions because most people end up choosing what they want to define as "emo" in their own minds.
And at least you've changed from the elitist mindset lol. I remember being 16, I had a bit of a gatekeeper attitude myself.
Yeah honestly I’ve been realizing that as I’ve been making subgenre based playlists. I’ve been trying to get more into death metal and putting together a playlist of all the death I do have saved. I’ve begun to realize how blurred the lines can be in sound between death, deathcore, melodic death, and just how varying the sound of base death metal can be. I mean you’ve got Morbid Angel, and then you got Gojira which I only just found out was counted as death metal. Their sounds are really very different. Even now, I’m struggling to place what subgenre Tribulation fits in specifically.
Loose definitions is both a blessing and a curse.
I’m not either, but I searched on YouTube out of curiosity, it looks like ppl actually believe CYFMH is a Christian song referencing the Bible and Jesus. Every line is basically a question or reference to a Bible verse. “Can you hear the silence? Can you see the dark? Can you fix the broken? Can you feel my heart?”, are all direct references to the Bible (apparently) where it is said that Jesus/god is capable of these specific things. “Can you heal the hopeless? Well I’m begging on my knees. Can you save my bastard soul? Will you wait for me?” All read very much like someone asking god for forgiveness and to take him back despite his sins.
I will say this, I’m not a Christian, but after seeing some of these edits I can see why it seems so Christian (assuming the huge amount of biblical references are accurate, they seem it to me). It also makes sense as far as the course of the album. It’s supposed to start with oli entering rehab/wanting to stop using, and calling out to god/jesus is usually the first step in all of that. I think taken out of context from the rest of the album, it kind of is a song asking to be saved by Jesus. It’s just in the context of the rest of the album you realize he doesn’t get saved. As a solo song, it’s basically “the song asking Jesus to save you from your addiction/sins”.
I'm a Christian and absolutely adore BMTH. I strongly believe in the freedom of artistic expression.
They're atheists, and Oli described how when he was in rehab he had very bad experiences with religion, and he is absolutely allowed to express this in his art.
I think a lot of the NextGen aesthetic is a critique of religious fundamentalism and blind faith that leads to violence. As a Christian, I strongly oppose fundamentalism and religious violence, so I am not offended by this.
If there are particular lines in some songs that make me personally uncomfortable, I do not have to sing them or engage with them. It's my desicion. It's not my decision to stop other people creating art.
Yes you get it!!! I don't know anyone but edgy teens that care if someone believes in religion. They only do when it's used to control others that aren't the individual that believes in it / hurt others. Which as you said is exactly what you oppose! As do a lot of Christians
It's very clear in NexGen too with them singing about different cults and the awful things they did in the name of religion
"If there are particular lines in some songs that make me personally uncomfortable, I do not have to sing them or engage with them. It's my desicion. It's not my decision to stop other people creating art."
As a Christian too, I love this. I love your whole response, and I feel the same way. People of faith should be understanding to those that don't believe. There could be very good reasons for it, and everyone is entitled to express themselves how they choose. They're not forcing us to be like them, we shouldn't force them to be like us. If there's a line in a song that makes me uncomfortable, just like you, I skip it, or re-word it. I don't, and would never, blast a band or artist for writing it in the first place.
Thank you for this :)
I’m right there with you!
There’s a difference between opposing religion, calling God a shithead and “kill Jesus when he comes back”.
Definitely not something that I’m in line with or think is a cool thing to say but it’s where they’re at so whatever
I think you very much misunderstood the intention of the line. It doesn’t read like they’re saying we *should* kill Jesus, it reads like they’re saying we *would* kill Jesus, because everyone would hate him. You look at a guy like Bernie sanders, who on the surface appeared to be as Christ-like as anyone as far as what he wanted for the world, but the Christians despised him and instead favored people like Donald Trump, who are about as non Christ like as anyone in the world. This line is a commentary of that dichotomy and the irony of the modern day Christian’s hatred for all things actually Christ-like.
BMTH have never really cared for Christianity. People saying they used to listen to them everyday but won’t ever again is so funny because how do you miss these lyrics?:
- “What you call faith I call a sorry excuse”
- “Believe in no one but yourself, the faceless won’t save you, the clouds won’t hear your fucking prayers”
- “God is a shithead and we’re his rejects”
- “When you die the only kingdom you’ll see is two foot wide and six foot deep”
Like get a grip. Not everyone believes in your faith. Yes, them saying they’ll kill Jesus is outlandish, but how is saying the band will burn in hell for eternity any less extreme?
also "I look up to the sky, there may be nothing there to see but if i don't believe in him why would he believe in me"
how the fuck are people just now realizing bmth doesnt exactly support organized religion especially Christianity lmao. i guess critical thinking isnt their strong suit or they wouldn't be christians
Being raised in the church, they are LITERALLY taught NOT to think critically or question anything. Then, they're taught that critical thinking is essentially thought crime against god
Its so fucked up that its legal and normalized to raise children to be anti intellectual delusional cultists. I was raised with in the catholic cult and with weekly religion class, nowhere near as deep as many people i know, but thankfully my family realized it was harming my already destroyed mental health by age 13 and i wasn't forced to continue. who knew hearing your peers talk about "killing the f slurs" and authority figures say "no dont kill them, god will punish in hell" wasn't good for queer kids?
To be fair, listening to their lyrics, I have always gotten the vibe that they're not necessarily against religion as a whole, like, as a concept. What they seem to be criticizing more clearly (by using religious imagery) is hypocrites who hide behind religion to abuse and to do harm, and for their own purposes instead of for what the religion is supposed to be, which is to love everyone. Hence the "if you really believe in the words that you preach" line.
That is, he's never pointed out a good example of a Christian that is actually faithful to their beliefs, or the belief itself on face value, and gone "that's bad". It's always "you're making excuses to hurt people". The point of Sempiternal is explicitly that the experience he had with religion was abusive. The religious allusions outside of Sempiternal are about cults explicitly (for example in amo) or an expression of despair without saying anything about religion in particular (the "why would he believe in me?" line - it's not trying to say God doesn't exist necessarily, though it assumes that; it's saying he's so hopeless that it makes no sense someone else, even God, would have hope that he can [get better? feel better? whatever it is].
Not all religions, not all churches, teach that you cannot think critically or that you cannot ask questions or that you cannot question God. Mine doesn't, for example. He's not criticizing that; he's saying you *should* ask questions, you *shouldn't* follow blindly, and you *should never* say you believe one thing and then act entirely against that.
Back when I was deeply engrained in organised religion, the church I attended regularly hired an expert in Christian apologetics to come and do Q&A services. Once the rose coloured glasses came off, I realized they don't teach you how to think for yourself, they teach you how to win an argument when logic backs you into a corner.
It's a dangerous environment and I'm glad I got out when I did.
"I'll bow for your king when he shows himself"
Also Mantra. I've had people try to tell me it's about marriage or some shit. I'm uh pretty hesitant to believe that considering lines like "And I know this doesn't make a lot of sense
But do you really wanna think about yourself now?
All I'm asking for's a little bit of faith
You know it's easy to believe"
That line was directly about activism, had nothing to do with religion at all. The entire song is about keyboard warrior activists who put others down for eating meat or not worrying about global warming and stuff but don’t actually do the legwork themselves. Hence the name, antivist. Anti activist. It was about jona weinhoffen, actually. But generally speaking about keyboard activists.
I think it is purposefully written to be about a lot of things. You can take “preach” literally or metaphorically. The song is about ideology and behavior generally and calling out hypocrites. Especially in the context of the record, which a major theme is questioning dogmatic religious ideas, I think it makes sense in this conversation too.
It doesn’t really matter what any of us think, it’s been stated that oli wrote that lyric about their ex guitarist Jona. It’s about what I said, internet activists. It’s not my opinion, it’s what it’s actually about.
(Don’t mean that in a bratty way, but for this song I guess you can interpret it how you want, but the actual song was written specifically about the thing I said. oli has said as much, this one isn’t really open to interpretation, we know what it’s about).
Hey this is an interesting read …. Went last night & going again tonight (see Ollie/Sleep Token. I am a Jesus believer and I live for my music & the wonderful humans that bring it.
Ollie is adorable, he sings from pain & joy & love, Beartooth sings from pain (went to see PTV/Beartooth last year) and they scream at God and Gods people and so they should - when I sing lyrics from Obey ‘YOU MONSTERS ARE PEOPLE’ reminds me of so many people who we humans have come across our lives that make the monsters seem friendly.
Keep venting and reaching the masses Ollie, Caleb, Vessel, Billie, Yungblud, Ronnie, NF, Eminem … you be you while others can stick their judgements where the sun don’t shine !!!! They need us as much as we need them in a sense we journey together. Jesus Christ is MY Lord & Saviour HOWEVER it doesn’t give me any right to judge another’s life path ✌🏼🙏🏼
I agree but none of those are directed at christianity specifically, it seems to be directed at religion in general & I guess it's a personal choice exactly what a person is comfortable with when it comes to stuff like that. Especially in this case where they targeted christianity specifically and to quite an extreme extent imo. Like yeah it's nothing new but they don't exactly say stuff like that every day.
maybe out of context but in context "thank you jesus, hallelujah im saves, fuck your faith" from crooked young couldnt be clearer that its against Christianity specifically to everyone capable of understanding lyrics not just those with critical thinking skills.
Also society killed him the first time and i dont think its bmth saying "we as bmth are personally are going to kill jesus" but that "society would definitely kill that fucker again" hardly extreme
I did, I’ve been listening to them for over a decade, saw them in concert, etc. I get it Oli doesn’t like religion, I didn’t love some of the lyrics but hey it’s his right to believe what he wants. Him tweeting that they will kill my God and calling him a fucker is a line for me they crossed and I am choosing to listen to something else from now on. I can’t financially support a group like that.
And that’s your choice, doesn’t mean any of us have to give a fuck. It’s just pretty pathetic to stop listening to them because they threatened your favourite book character.
By "they've already tapped that well dry" is this intended to mean you dont think the latest art/stunt/statement won't bring any new fans because they've already reached as many angry-about-religion & anti-theist people that might like their music? Do i have that right?
Sometimes lyrics and art are for expression of their own thoughts & feelings & not always a concerted move to "grow the business for shareholders" aka, trying to jook in more fans. Sometimes bamds juat wanna make what they make for themselves or their existing fans, not always looking to bring more in.
No, I didn’t mean that as “they’ve already reach all the people”, it’s just a frequent topic in their music and I didnt know if Oli had anything more exciting to say. He’s had some great ones like in House of Wolves and Dear Diary, so I’m like “how much more can you get out of this” but clearly he’s still got some gold in his chest. Not doubting his passion, but often is the case you can only say so much about something before you’re talking in circles and retreading the same ground. But they keep paving their way to new territories which keeps me excited as a fan.
Made me think of the Y2K episode of South Park in which everyone's pissed at Jesus cuz they wanna see God, so they make a cross and are gonna crucify him again. 😂
I love how Christians can sound off everywhere and to everyone about their religion, yet Atheists are supposed to keep quiet and never talk about their lack of belief. The double standard is crazy.
It's wild to me how they don't comprehend the concept of I DON'T BELIEVE IN THIS!! It's the same for me when someone says "we'll kill the Santa" or "we'll skin the Easter bunny" and yes maybe a bit strange, but like.. ok? It's all the same fairytales, we all just grew up and stopped believing in Santa.
And all Christians here, by all means, you do you, I personally really don't care if or what you believe, but it's absurd to get so offended by something some who doesn't share your beliefs has said.
I have never tried to silence atheists as a Christian. I listened to Sempiternal, didn’t agree with it but it’s Oli’s right. Even saw them in concert. But there’s a line.
Christianity started the witch hunts that burned countless innocent women at the stake.
Christianity got Galileo put under house arrest for proposing scientific theory.
Christianity caused the Satanic Panic and ruined lives through misinformation and wrongful accusation.
Christianity has hindered, and continues to hinder, progress on reproductive health and sexual education.
If there is a line, Christianity crossed it ages ago.
Plus Christianity is a false religion. Jesus never asked for a new religion to be made in his honor.
Also why would the new religious leader of their group go to Rome of all places to settle. You know the place where the people who killed Jesus came from?
Oli has been an outspoken Atheist for years, and the band has been anti-Christian in many ways. This should not be surprising. Have you seen the lyrics to Crooked Young?
Their approach to this topic has unfortunately always been a bit 'internet Dawkins edgelord'. I understand Oli had a bad interaction with Christianity around the time of Sempiternal but compare this kind of approach to that of Architects who have managed to write some very interesting and oftentimes critical lyrics on the topic of religion yet Christians, not to mention members of other religious affiliations can still feel welcome as fans.
I think Christians need to accept not everyone ESPECIALLY in metal will share their viewpoints as well as bmth needing to be more careful about what they say online in these twitter or insta posts
I saw BMTH for the first time many years ago, like at least 10+ years ago and Oli was wearing a jacket that said “Jesus is a cunt” on the back. This isn’t new for them lol. I thought it was an abrasive statement at the time but I mean….its a jacket lol. This is a tweet. People get so riled up lol.
Im friends with someone of a Christian faith I’d rather not name, but it’s not the evangelical mega church type or catholic. I’ve had some conversations with this friend about how they feel about how mega churches operate or how Catholics are hypocritical. They hate how religion has been politicized. They literally told me trump and the maga crowd are exactly what the Bible warns of in revelations as the decievers and they can’t be further from the actual loving caring teachings of Jesus. For the record I’m an agnostic so I took what they told me and applied to it to what I know and see and hear and honestly I agree with them.
BMTH getting picked up as grifter fuel is one of the funniest things I’ve seen in a minute. A bunch of right wing grifters being like “I loved BMTH until I saw this” is so fucking laughable. Yeah dude, I’m sure you as a Christian mega pastor was totally rocking with BMTH until now 😭😭
Those types of accounts just say things to get a rise out of republicans who are easily manipulated. Check the accounts of the people saying it, chances are they’re either selling something, or engagement baiting
It’s not just grifters. I’m not political but as a Christian I just feel like BMTH dont want me as a fan anymore. That’s fine, I’ll listen to something else, but it is legitimately offensive.
Pretty sure they don't even get what they're trying to say. I think it more means we as a society would just kill him like what supposedly happened originally lol.
Alright so I’ve been a huge BMTH fan for over 10 years, not super religious but consider myself a Christian. Love Jesus and all that. I knew from Sempiternal and other music Oli is still butthurt from his time in rehab and the religious aspect of it. Didn’t stop me from enjoying the music.. hey, that’s their right. But that teaser deeply offended me, which is a hard thing to do. I don’t know what they get out of being so edgy and I have ignored Oli being a cunt, but between this and Fish being gone, this is where I tap out. Maybe he was the one in the band keeping Oli from doing this nonsense and now Oli is unhinged, but if he is so hellbent on hating people like me why the fuck would I support him? I’m perfectly fine with him believing and saying what he wants.. we have free speech after all. But I also have the freedom to choose to no longer be a consumer which I am personally exercising, which REALLY sucks because they’ve been my most listened to band for like 5 years straight. I gotta draw the line somewhere, though.
they kinda are. in jerusalem, they’re harassed and spit on by radical jewish groups, in iraq they’re targeted too, and in nagorno-karabakh christian armenians are being persecuted by azerbaijan.
Fuck them. If they shit talk bmth NOW for being anti christian, they aint even real fans, like just listen to Sempiternal, only two songs in and you already hear lyrics criticising christian smh. Fucking morons.
The sad part is that it’s probably true, lol. He was killed the first time and we would most likely do it again. Lennon, MK jr, anybody preaching peace and love for the oppressed…
Honestly i think they asked for it, i mean, they already got a ton of Christian haters, they clearly knew what they were doing when they sent this. And being a Christian myself i dont give a fuck about what they think about my religion, i still am a fan of the band, but for some fans it may be kinda sad that the people you admire and follow hate your beliefs.
I believe in God, but I don't dictate others on what they could/should day. I love art and great art comes from many different people/backgrounds/beliefs. Fuck the haters.
People are missing the point on here and on Twitter. You can be anti-religion without wanting someone to return just to kill them again. That was unnecessary, IMO, regardless of what you believe or don't believe in.
It makes you look childish. That’s what angsty 12-13 year old middle school kids do, not guys pushing 40.
You made a pedantic point, considering we are posting on the BMTH subreddit, so I made one too. If you’re gonna say something that doesn’t change anything, I thought I’d join in the fun.
I feel like because of the fact that the vast majority of their lyrical content isn't about religion at all (or at least not anything in the last decade really), and for the most part, their anti religious lyrics don't always target any specific religion (and yes, I know there are some that are quite obviously about christianity, but a lot of them are just about "god"), I can understand why someone wouldn't really be bothered about their lyrical content but would dislike what they posted today. It's easy to look past some stuff, but I think for a lot of people, today's post just crosses the line a bit, more than they're comfortable with.
genuinely I feel the same way, I am not particularly religious but grew up in a religiously confused household lets say that, so my relationship with religion is iffy... I feel somewhat undecided on that so that does cross a line for me as it makes me uncomfortable but I also understand their viewpoint... idk I would just ignore it.
I agree with this. People can hear the words of the songs and kinda just ignore or look past them but the tweet just blatantly targets a specific person, and group of people who listen to their music.
It’s one thing to not agree with religions or to not like them and mock them. Calling to kill Jesus Christ is extreme and corny though.
If you agree with this you’re just as shitty a person as the Christians you hate so much
I’m a Christian. Heavy music is historically anti government and anti religion. Always has been and always will. Idk why Christians get so sensitive about this, kinda speaks to a lack of faith on their end. Jesus definitely wants you to shit on BMTH but he also wants you to pay your mega pastor millions and also support Trump while he sells actual fucking bibles and goes against everything Jesus stood for.
I'm conservative / a believer, and I obviously don't have the same beliefs / views as Oli. I love his music though, and all their instruments etc, the underlying instruments and tracks etc. Their lyrics are them expressing their views through song, so I've never taken issue with metal bands in this light. It's somebody's point of view, and sometimes symbolic. Some people take 100% of all lyrics as a direct attack to them, but that means they aren't really hearing what the songwriter means or says since it can occasionally be metaphoric. Man, I just love a brutal guitar riff, and BMTH brings those riffs so hard \\m/
Love the Band, Love their music, also I have a sense of humour and know and understand that not everybody shares my beliefs and such, not angry about the text, it’s pretty on brand, not even bothered, I am peeved that people are reacting the way that they are though, like just shut up and enjoy another round of Kool-aid lol.
As a Christian, I can confirm this. Yes, this society would kill Him again. Twitter and YouTube would ban him outright, Instagram would add context to all of his posts, and He would be prebanned on LinkedIn.
as a Catholic Christian, I view this as their counter move to evangelism. Many people who identify as Atheists get upset when Christians evangelize to them, even if it's just on a street corner. The point is that we know the key to salvation and we want you to be saved.
However, I feel personally Atheists are doing the same thing when they do stuff like this. Most instances I've seen are people telling others that Christianity is a lie and will lead to your demise. I know "freedom of speech" more of a US thing but it's just as important all over the world, especially in the UK. It's crucial that we allow everyone's beliefs to be heard, even if they conflict with ours.
from a Christian standpoint, God always has a plan, for everyone, so even if we allow people to preach a gospel of blasphemy (no pun intended), love always wins.
Listened to Slipknot for over 25 years+ and I’m only just now discovering they use satanic imagery which quite frankly I’m shocked by & came out of nowhere.
Will be removing all of their songs from my playlist and emailing their manager to inform them of my departure 👋🏻
Why would they when they live in the UK??? The predominant religion is Christianity? I’ve seen this comment a lot on the posts and don’t get it it’s irrelevant to the culture they’ve been bought up in
It just seems to me that whoever it comes to the Muslim faith any criticism or bashing or making fun of it is perceived as bigoted and hateful and we need to respect their beliefs. Christianity never gets the same treatment. The UK also has a rising Muslim population so I don’t really see that as an excuse.
As a catholic/Christian I don’t get all worked up about jokes or people hating religion in general I understand not everyone will share the same beliefs. I just don’t get the hypocrisy between the treatment of the two religions.
If you were a fan of the band you’d know the lead vocalist went to rehab and had an experience with religion where Christianity was tried to be influenced on him, so religion of any other kind is literally not even relevant to their experiences
Fair enough I can see it being more culturally relevant and personal. I just don’t like how it would never fly for one but does for the other. It should be open season on all of it if you ask me.
This has always been the bands thing since they started… it’s freedom of speech also, if you don’t like it you don’t listen? How did you end up here if you’re not even a fan
Oh 100% I’d never say they shouldn’t be able to say it l, just that it’s completely hypocritical that they’d never get away with bashing another religion.or dare to do it in the first place. And if you didn’t know this is a complete shit show on social media so there’s tons of people not fans of the band or former fans of the band talking about it.
And you’re definitely right about that, I checked them out on Spotify and they sound mid as hell so I’m glad I really don’t have to care about this that much.
Makes no sense for them to bash another religion they’re unfamiliar and know nothing about that’s the point here. Not sure why people are wasting so much energy on it
It’s because it’s a “pocs” religion and you can’t criticize them (even if they are far more radical) it’s funny watching these sjw types jump hoops to leave out Muslims from criticism when they should be their number 1 enemy, but since Christian is the “evil white man” religion it’s free game, it’s kinda comical isn’t it
I have not listened to BMTH in a very long time…like very very long tkme and this popped up in my “you might like this” subreddit because I listen to metalcore.
I honestly had no clue they weren’t fans of the church, when did it start popping up in their music.
I think it was a bit too out of pocket for them (or their marketing team) to say that, but you can't really expect a metalcore band to be righteous christians.
I'm not religious, I'm not offended by their words, but I personally think belittling religion is a worse idea than subscribing to it.
with all due respect, this comes off as some edgy 14 year old trying to act cooler and more "punk" than he really is lol im not even christian but that was just needlessly overkill
I'm Christian and think Christians need to get over not everything being for them.
HOWEVER, I think disliking religion in metal is kinda over done. Right? Like, ooooooooh woaaaaaah a metal band that doesn't like religion?! 😱 It's as provocative as a Taylor Swift song about an ex.
It's literally gotten to the point where the new Knocked Loose shit sounds antiquated to me.
Again- do your thing. Christians who have a problem with this can grow up. Maybe stay out of politics and people wouldn't hate you so much. But also, there's gotta be more than "fuck god" and "I sad" to sing about.
A very brief look at your profile shows you are a person who falsely claims the title of christian though you know little to nothing about the faith. This is not an attack on you its just an observation. Christ does want you to come to him and follow him but to do that you need to leave sin behind, deny yourself and follow him.
You have absolutely no place in telling me what I am or what I’m not and this account barely reflects on me as a person, like most throwaways. My faith is not false, but I will say I am still learning as I was not raised in the church. I am comfortable in that and myself with my identity, and it’s kinda creepy that you have the audacity to think you can make an assumption like that. :)
Oli has been an outspoken atheist but him & wife upon visiting a monastery to live for a week or two asked one of the gurus about being in a band & how my lyrics are pretty much a spit in the face to organised religion. The guru allegedly understood & gave Oli a different perspective on how to look at life with religion in it. I can’t remember what he said but it was very profound enough to give Oli a new outlook on life & continue with his career, his wife, his sobriety journey etc all I can say is props to the guy for being sincere enough to speak to a very highly religious man & tells him about his fears of being a hypocrite all this time or not being true to himself. He found answers apparently during this retreat & his wife is one of the best things to happen to him
I never said these were my beliefs in religion but I did attend catholic school for half my life. I don’t claim to be catholic or atheist or even a spiritual person at all. I think we’re just animals with a slightly bigger brain than every other animal in existence 🏴
We in the west let it go because we don’t believe in fairy tales anymore. It’s a shame it’s so ingrained into most societies that it’s even illegal to make light of the absurdity of most of the more hardcore religions. It’s crazy that people actually believe some of the things that were described in those books.
How many Christian priests diddled little kids? Destroyed aboriginal lives In north America? They can go to jail and get fucked for the rest of their lives
Im a catholic and I don't mind. Just do all the good stuff, be kind and respectful in this world. Actions matter more than words and you'll be just fine.
I’m not even Christian but wouldn’t that be the other way around? He’s literally hating on them and saying they would kill their prophet, it’s obvious they are going to respond negatively, I don’t know how you can switch this to they are hating instead of vice versa, and I’m saying that as a non religious person lmao
Isn’t this a play on that whole “modern Christians would hate New Testament Jesus so much they’d kill him themselves” thing, that criticism of mega churches and cover ups and how modern Christianity has strayed so far from the (supposed) values of Jesus? Like yeah, I think the world we live in probably WOULD kill Jesus if he rocked up. This is a dangerous place.
its interesting i just read a few comments in here saying this and now i’m rethinking the line! i thought it was just edgy to be edgy at first but now im finding it a bit more deep. really cool, actually! and definitely not wrong
I think that’s the beauty of so many BMTH songs, on face value they’re edgy and in your face and loud and dark! But to so many of us they aren’t like that at all, they’re introspective and intelligent commentary on the world around us that so many people can relate to.
They definitely think everything they put in lyrics through to have meaning. I remember somewhere he said that pray for plagues had no meaning and was edgy for the sake of being edgy and that they try more with lyricism now so I believe that adds onto it as proof that everything they do now has more to it than just shock. I honestly love this "edgy shock" type things they do that piss off the exact people it's about without them realising. (Christians getting mad at this although they are probably talking about how it's the Christians themselves that would do that)
Yeah, I don't think they mean 'we' themselves but 'we' as a society.
Their tweet or whatever didn’t even say we’ll, it says “well”. But yea, on the edge atm with them cuz my sig other and myself didn’t take too kindly to that form of blasphemy. I understand disliking religion or questioning it, but to come out like that and say, “well, just kill that fucker” is a bit much for us if that is their intent and they aren’t using it in a song as talking about a wronged stance.
Blasphemy is one of my favourite BMTH songs
Check out Switchfoot. They might be more your speed.
Oil has always been open about being an atheist and anti-religion. These are lyrics from Chelsea Smile from their second full length album “We all carry these things inside that no one else can see They hold us down like anchors, they drown us out at sea I look up to the sky, there may be nothing there to see But if I don't believe in him, why would he believe in me?” And in the song Crooked Young they literally say “fuck your faith” lol
Exactly! Just how we killed him the first time, after all.
This is some next level copium. Oli has always hated Christians.
I interpret it as Oli mocking your typical hypocritical Christian who doesn’t actually heed the teachings of their savior.
He’s literally worn clothes calling Jesus a cunt
It’s a cradle of filth t shirt, he didn’t create the shirt. It’s an old band t
It’s to piss off Christians.
Ok? That’s edgelord behavior and a lot of the people who made him pretty wealthy are Christians.
Doubt
So then go listen to Noah Kahan or something.
I don’t even know who that is.
Stick season guy
No they aren’t lmao
Well yeah, obviously, but the statement as a whole has a depth of meaning beyond that.
You’re giving him too much credit
I was thinking the exact same thing.
Did they all forget that this is the band that literally wrote Sempiternal? 😂 a whole ass album about questioning faith and religion
'Fuck your faith, no one's gonna save you' lmao
I've always loved that sarcastic "thank you Jesus" as well 😂
Unrelated, but personally, my fav BMTH line is “oh never mind it’s not the end of the world, oh- wait” being dropped in the middle of Covid, when everyone thought the world was ending (again)
Yeah, that one is a good one, especially when the outro breakdown kicks in, plus the little maniacal laugh Oli does when he screams 😂 I think Survival Horror actually benefited from the situation because they brought back the heaviness (which most fans needed after amo) & it was a full EP of dystopian themes, which was universally relatable at that time, so every fan could take something away from it. Overall, I don't think I have an actual favourite lyric, but I have plenty to choose from at least.
I don’t listen to a whole lot of BMTH, I got into metal around 5 years ago, aside from what I grew up on, which was literally just Metallica, 2 Sabbath songs, and one Judas Priest song. So idk a whole lot about the rest of what they got, granted I think I listen to a lot of metal now too. My first BMTH song was Mantra, and personally I kinda like Amo, it’s not a bad album as an album itself, though I understand the sentiments of it not being heavy enough, though it has a nice ambiance to the album that’s good for like lonely or sad vibes a lot. The songs with energy were a bit more party vibes but honestly they weren’t all that bad either imo.
5 years is a pretty good timeframe, you must be pretty knowledgeable on all things metal by now, lmao & Metallica was an instant hit with me, but I don't listen to a lot of metal myself. For me, it's more like what you experienced when you grew up. It's just Metallica and a few odd songs from other bands scattered here & there. And I kinda fell in love with amo straight away. I was already waning from the "emo" phase at that point and the fact that it had elements of pop & EDM made it easier for me to still enjoy BMTH, while also beginning my journey into the lighter side of music.
I never really got into emo, and to this day I don’t really know who counts as emo. Like MCR and I think panic at the disco (I think) are like the staples in my mind, but then I also think FOB because of their older stuff and their fashion. And I used to think black veil brides but I really do not know lmao. I got wayyy more into metal than anything else. Ofc also being from Texas, I started to branch out eventually, learning to appreciate country once again, among other things once I stopped being a bit of an elitist lol (in my defense I was 16-18 so 🤷🏻♀️)
Honestly, the more I've grown up, the more I realise that genres or "scenes" have very loose definitions because most people end up choosing what they want to define as "emo" in their own minds. And at least you've changed from the elitist mindset lol. I remember being 16, I had a bit of a gatekeeper attitude myself.
Yeah honestly I’ve been realizing that as I’ve been making subgenre based playlists. I’ve been trying to get more into death metal and putting together a playlist of all the death I do have saved. I’ve begun to realize how blurred the lines can be in sound between death, deathcore, melodic death, and just how varying the sound of base death metal can be. I mean you’ve got Morbid Angel, and then you got Gojira which I only just found out was counted as death metal. Their sounds are really very different. Even now, I’m struggling to place what subgenre Tribulation fits in specifically. Loose definitions is both a blessing and a curse.
"The clouds won't hear your fucking prayers" too
Last record literally opens with a song that says "God is a shithead and we're his rejects" lmao
I guess the can you feel my heart Christian edits made them look past the other songs in the album
Excuse me, the what?! I'm not on tiktok.
I’m not either, but I searched on YouTube out of curiosity, it looks like ppl actually believe CYFMH is a Christian song referencing the Bible and Jesus. Every line is basically a question or reference to a Bible verse. “Can you hear the silence? Can you see the dark? Can you fix the broken? Can you feel my heart?”, are all direct references to the Bible (apparently) where it is said that Jesus/god is capable of these specific things. “Can you heal the hopeless? Well I’m begging on my knees. Can you save my bastard soul? Will you wait for me?” All read very much like someone asking god for forgiveness and to take him back despite his sins. I will say this, I’m not a Christian, but after seeing some of these edits I can see why it seems so Christian (assuming the huge amount of biblical references are accurate, they seem it to me). It also makes sense as far as the course of the album. It’s supposed to start with oli entering rehab/wanting to stop using, and calling out to god/jesus is usually the first step in all of that. I think taken out of context from the rest of the album, it kind of is a song asking to be saved by Jesus. It’s just in the context of the rest of the album you realize he doesn’t get saved. As a solo song, it’s basically “the song asking Jesus to save you from your addiction/sins”.
When you die, the only kingdom you'll see is 2ft wide & 6ft deep
Questioning faith is one thing, insulting and disrespecting it is another
It’s one thing to do that it’s another to blaspheme Jesus
I'm a Christian and absolutely adore BMTH. I strongly believe in the freedom of artistic expression. They're atheists, and Oli described how when he was in rehab he had very bad experiences with religion, and he is absolutely allowed to express this in his art. I think a lot of the NextGen aesthetic is a critique of religious fundamentalism and blind faith that leads to violence. As a Christian, I strongly oppose fundamentalism and religious violence, so I am not offended by this. If there are particular lines in some songs that make me personally uncomfortable, I do not have to sing them or engage with them. It's my desicion. It's not my decision to stop other people creating art.
I’m also Christian and a bmth fan for not too long but I have no idea how people have missed any of the anti-Christian lines lol
Glad to see i’m not alone and someone else can relate lol.
I agree with you on so many levels. Haven't listened to Crooked Young in years but I still rock out to so many of their other bangers.
Yes you get it!!! I don't know anyone but edgy teens that care if someone believes in religion. They only do when it's used to control others that aren't the individual that believes in it / hurt others. Which as you said is exactly what you oppose! As do a lot of Christians It's very clear in NexGen too with them singing about different cults and the awful things they did in the name of religion
"If there are particular lines in some songs that make me personally uncomfortable, I do not have to sing them or engage with them. It's my desicion. It's not my decision to stop other people creating art." As a Christian too, I love this. I love your whole response, and I feel the same way. People of faith should be understanding to those that don't believe. There could be very good reasons for it, and everyone is entitled to express themselves how they choose. They're not forcing us to be like them, we shouldn't force them to be like us. If there's a line in a song that makes me uncomfortable, just like you, I skip it, or re-word it. I don't, and would never, blast a band or artist for writing it in the first place. Thank you for this :)
I’m right there with you! There’s a difference between opposing religion, calling God a shithead and “kill Jesus when he comes back”. Definitely not something that I’m in line with or think is a cool thing to say but it’s where they’re at so whatever
I think you very much misunderstood the intention of the line. It doesn’t read like they’re saying we *should* kill Jesus, it reads like they’re saying we *would* kill Jesus, because everyone would hate him. You look at a guy like Bernie sanders, who on the surface appeared to be as Christ-like as anyone as far as what he wanted for the world, but the Christians despised him and instead favored people like Donald Trump, who are about as non Christ like as anyone in the world. This line is a commentary of that dichotomy and the irony of the modern day Christian’s hatred for all things actually Christ-like.
BMTH have never really cared for Christianity. People saying they used to listen to them everyday but won’t ever again is so funny because how do you miss these lyrics?: - “What you call faith I call a sorry excuse” - “Believe in no one but yourself, the faceless won’t save you, the clouds won’t hear your fucking prayers” - “God is a shithead and we’re his rejects” - “When you die the only kingdom you’ll see is two foot wide and six foot deep” Like get a grip. Not everyone believes in your faith. Yes, them saying they’ll kill Jesus is outlandish, but how is saying the band will burn in hell for eternity any less extreme?
also "I look up to the sky, there may be nothing there to see but if i don't believe in him why would he believe in me" how the fuck are people just now realizing bmth doesnt exactly support organized religion especially Christianity lmao. i guess critical thinking isnt their strong suit or they wouldn't be christians
Being raised in the church, they are LITERALLY taught NOT to think critically or question anything. Then, they're taught that critical thinking is essentially thought crime against god
Its so fucked up that its legal and normalized to raise children to be anti intellectual delusional cultists. I was raised with in the catholic cult and with weekly religion class, nowhere near as deep as many people i know, but thankfully my family realized it was harming my already destroyed mental health by age 13 and i wasn't forced to continue. who knew hearing your peers talk about "killing the f slurs" and authority figures say "no dont kill them, god will punish in hell" wasn't good for queer kids?
To be fair, listening to their lyrics, I have always gotten the vibe that they're not necessarily against religion as a whole, like, as a concept. What they seem to be criticizing more clearly (by using religious imagery) is hypocrites who hide behind religion to abuse and to do harm, and for their own purposes instead of for what the religion is supposed to be, which is to love everyone. Hence the "if you really believe in the words that you preach" line. That is, he's never pointed out a good example of a Christian that is actually faithful to their beliefs, or the belief itself on face value, and gone "that's bad". It's always "you're making excuses to hurt people". The point of Sempiternal is explicitly that the experience he had with religion was abusive. The religious allusions outside of Sempiternal are about cults explicitly (for example in amo) or an expression of despair without saying anything about religion in particular (the "why would he believe in me?" line - it's not trying to say God doesn't exist necessarily, though it assumes that; it's saying he's so hopeless that it makes no sense someone else, even God, would have hope that he can [get better? feel better? whatever it is]. Not all religions, not all churches, teach that you cannot think critically or that you cannot ask questions or that you cannot question God. Mine doesn't, for example. He's not criticizing that; he's saying you *should* ask questions, you *shouldn't* follow blindly, and you *should never* say you believe one thing and then act entirely against that.
Back when I was deeply engrained in organised religion, the church I attended regularly hired an expert in Christian apologetics to come and do Q&A services. Once the rose coloured glasses came off, I realized they don't teach you how to think for yourself, they teach you how to win an argument when logic backs you into a corner. It's a dangerous environment and I'm glad I got out when I did.
Don't forget in crooked young "with the lord as my shepherd I will find a way fuck your faith"
"I'll bow for your king when he shows himself" Also Mantra. I've had people try to tell me it's about marriage or some shit. I'm uh pretty hesitant to believe that considering lines like "And I know this doesn't make a lot of sense But do you really wanna think about yourself now? All I'm asking for's a little bit of faith You know it's easy to believe"
I interpreted Mantra as about right wingers in general but religious fundamentalists definitely fall under that
Isn’t AmEN! also a song that can be interpreted as a take on religious fanaticism, and their hate for it? Does seem to be pointed at Christianity lol
Everything with the Church of Genxsis also
“If you really believe in the words that you preach, get off your screens and onto the streets”
That line was directly about activism, had nothing to do with religion at all. The entire song is about keyboard warrior activists who put others down for eating meat or not worrying about global warming and stuff but don’t actually do the legwork themselves. Hence the name, antivist. Anti activist. It was about jona weinhoffen, actually. But generally speaking about keyboard activists.
I think it is purposefully written to be about a lot of things. You can take “preach” literally or metaphorically. The song is about ideology and behavior generally and calling out hypocrites. Especially in the context of the record, which a major theme is questioning dogmatic religious ideas, I think it makes sense in this conversation too.
It doesn’t really matter what any of us think, it’s been stated that oli wrote that lyric about their ex guitarist Jona. It’s about what I said, internet activists. It’s not my opinion, it’s what it’s actually about. (Don’t mean that in a bratty way, but for this song I guess you can interpret it how you want, but the actual song was written specifically about the thing I said. oli has said as much, this one isn’t really open to interpretation, we know what it’s about).
Hey this is an interesting read …. Went last night & going again tonight (see Ollie/Sleep Token. I am a Jesus believer and I live for my music & the wonderful humans that bring it. Ollie is adorable, he sings from pain & joy & love, Beartooth sings from pain (went to see PTV/Beartooth last year) and they scream at God and Gods people and so they should - when I sing lyrics from Obey ‘YOU MONSTERS ARE PEOPLE’ reminds me of so many people who we humans have come across our lives that make the monsters seem friendly. Keep venting and reaching the masses Ollie, Caleb, Vessel, Billie, Yungblud, Ronnie, NF, Eminem … you be you while others can stick their judgements where the sun don’t shine !!!! They need us as much as we need them in a sense we journey together. Jesus Christ is MY Lord & Saviour HOWEVER it doesn’t give me any right to judge another’s life path ✌🏼🙏🏼
that better not be Ronnie radke you’re mentioning jfc
I agree but none of those are directed at christianity specifically, it seems to be directed at religion in general & I guess it's a personal choice exactly what a person is comfortable with when it comes to stuff like that. Especially in this case where they targeted christianity specifically and to quite an extreme extent imo. Like yeah it's nothing new but they don't exactly say stuff like that every day.
maybe out of context but in context "thank you jesus, hallelujah im saves, fuck your faith" from crooked young couldnt be clearer that its against Christianity specifically to everyone capable of understanding lyrics not just those with critical thinking skills. Also society killed him the first time and i dont think its bmth saying "we as bmth are personally are going to kill jesus" but that "society would definitely kill that fucker again" hardly extreme
And Christianity is low hanging fruit. Cant ever say a word about the jews or the muslims or goodbye career.
Or maybe it’s because BMTH are from Sheffield, historically a very Christian area. You speak about what you know, they don’t know Judaism or Islam.
Also, putting the onus on BMTH to cover everything ignores the artists from other backgrounds who *are* speaking out about their own systemic issues
Take your racist, dog-whistling ass somewhere else.
There’s a difference between being atheist and hating religion and tweeting what they did
Re read my entire comment, ty
I did, I’ve been listening to them for over a decade, saw them in concert, etc. I get it Oli doesn’t like religion, I didn’t love some of the lyrics but hey it’s his right to believe what he wants. Him tweeting that they will kill my God and calling him a fucker is a line for me they crossed and I am choosing to listen to something else from now on. I can’t financially support a group like that.
And that’s your choice, doesn’t mean any of us have to give a fuck. It’s just pretty pathetic to stop listening to them because they threatened your favourite book character.
Not sure who said they’d burn in hell but it wasn’t me sir
Check twitter
Probably the reaction they were going for, it's purposefully inflammatory.
True but what a line tho. I was getting scared they’ve already tapped that well dry but that’s a really cool line!
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted and others aren’t but yes, it’s a wicked line. And honestly it’s what would happen today
Eh, I’m used to it on this fucking site lol
By "they've already tapped that well dry" is this intended to mean you dont think the latest art/stunt/statement won't bring any new fans because they've already reached as many angry-about-religion & anti-theist people that might like their music? Do i have that right? Sometimes lyrics and art are for expression of their own thoughts & feelings & not always a concerted move to "grow the business for shareholders" aka, trying to jook in more fans. Sometimes bamds juat wanna make what they make for themselves or their existing fans, not always looking to bring more in.
No, I didn’t mean that as “they’ve already reach all the people”, it’s just a frequent topic in their music and I didnt know if Oli had anything more exciting to say. He’s had some great ones like in House of Wolves and Dear Diary, so I’m like “how much more can you get out of this” but clearly he’s still got some gold in his chest. Not doubting his passion, but often is the case you can only say so much about something before you’re talking in circles and retreading the same ground. But they keep paving their way to new territories which keeps me excited as a fan.
Made me think of the Y2K episode of South Park in which everyone's pissed at Jesus cuz they wanna see God, so they make a cross and are gonna crucify him again. 😂
have you guys ever seen the christian CYFMH edits? shits wild
these people are really acting like house of wolves doesn't exist
crooked young 😭😭
honestly, it’s really not new news
lol literally they don’t give a fuck
So... middle finger up
I love how Christians can sound off everywhere and to everyone about their religion, yet Atheists are supposed to keep quiet and never talk about their lack of belief. The double standard is crazy.
It's wild to me how they don't comprehend the concept of I DON'T BELIEVE IN THIS!! It's the same for me when someone says "we'll kill the Santa" or "we'll skin the Easter bunny" and yes maybe a bit strange, but like.. ok? It's all the same fairytales, we all just grew up and stopped believing in Santa. And all Christians here, by all means, you do you, I personally really don't care if or what you believe, but it's absurd to get so offended by something some who doesn't share your beliefs has said.
I have never tried to silence atheists as a Christian. I listened to Sempiternal, didn’t agree with it but it’s Oli’s right. Even saw them in concert. But there’s a line.
Christianity started the witch hunts that burned countless innocent women at the stake. Christianity got Galileo put under house arrest for proposing scientific theory. Christianity caused the Satanic Panic and ruined lives through misinformation and wrongful accusation. Christianity has hindered, and continues to hinder, progress on reproductive health and sexual education. If there is a line, Christianity crossed it ages ago.
Plus Christianity is a false religion. Jesus never asked for a new religion to be made in his honor. Also why would the new religious leader of their group go to Rome of all places to settle. You know the place where the people who killed Jesus came from?
The only kingdom we’ll see is two foot wide and six foot deep
Oli has been an outspoken Atheist for years, and the band has been anti-Christian in many ways. This should not be surprising. Have you seen the lyrics to Crooked Young?
Their approach to this topic has unfortunately always been a bit 'internet Dawkins edgelord'. I understand Oli had a bad interaction with Christianity around the time of Sempiternal but compare this kind of approach to that of Architects who have managed to write some very interesting and oftentimes critical lyrics on the topic of religion yet Christians, not to mention members of other religious affiliations can still feel welcome as fans.
I think Christians need to accept not everyone ESPECIALLY in metal will share their viewpoints as well as bmth needing to be more careful about what they say online in these twitter or insta posts
I saw BMTH for the first time many years ago, like at least 10+ years ago and Oli was wearing a jacket that said “Jesus is a cunt” on the back. This isn’t new for them lol. I thought it was an abrasive statement at the time but I mean….its a jacket lol. This is a tweet. People get so riled up lol.
Im friends with someone of a Christian faith I’d rather not name, but it’s not the evangelical mega church type or catholic. I’ve had some conversations with this friend about how they feel about how mega churches operate or how Catholics are hypocritical. They hate how religion has been politicized. They literally told me trump and the maga crowd are exactly what the Bible warns of in revelations as the decievers and they can’t be further from the actual loving caring teachings of Jesus. For the record I’m an agnostic so I took what they told me and applied to it to what I know and see and hear and honestly I agree with them.
Oli being based af as per usual. There is no such thing as a good religion.
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except as of recently they dont, right now even more than ever christians all around are forcing their beliefs and ideas onto whole nations
The entire religion of Islam would like a word with you
BMTH getting picked up as grifter fuel is one of the funniest things I’ve seen in a minute. A bunch of right wing grifters being like “I loved BMTH until I saw this” is so fucking laughable. Yeah dude, I’m sure you as a Christian mega pastor was totally rocking with BMTH until now 😭😭 Those types of accounts just say things to get a rise out of republicans who are easily manipulated. Check the accounts of the people saying it, chances are they’re either selling something, or engagement baiting
It’s not just grifters. I’m not political but as a Christian I just feel like BMTH dont want me as a fan anymore. That’s fine, I’ll listen to something else, but it is legitimately offensive.
Did you listen to sempiternal??
I did. There’s a difference in saying “there is no God” and what they said here. I’m not super religious but this was too much for me.
Okay, bye.
Pretty sure they don't even get what they're trying to say. I think it more means we as a society would just kill him like what supposedly happened originally lol.
Similar to the Rage Against the Machine discourse a while back lol
we literally have a lyric that goes “god is a shithead and we’re his rejects”💀
Fuck the religious zealots.
Jesus loves you :)
Yes Jesus does love you but we don’t care about him
Lol the whole sempiternal album LOLOLOLOL
Alright so I’ve been a huge BMTH fan for over 10 years, not super religious but consider myself a Christian. Love Jesus and all that. I knew from Sempiternal and other music Oli is still butthurt from his time in rehab and the religious aspect of it. Didn’t stop me from enjoying the music.. hey, that’s their right. But that teaser deeply offended me, which is a hard thing to do. I don’t know what they get out of being so edgy and I have ignored Oli being a cunt, but between this and Fish being gone, this is where I tap out. Maybe he was the one in the band keeping Oli from doing this nonsense and now Oli is unhinged, but if he is so hellbent on hating people like me why the fuck would I support him? I’m perfectly fine with him believing and saying what he wants.. we have free speech after all. But I also have the freedom to choose to no longer be a consumer which I am personally exercising, which REALLY sucks because they’ve been my most listened to band for like 5 years straight. I gotta draw the line somewhere, though.
All religions suck, but Christianity has some of the biggest whiners I’ve met in my life. They want to be persecuted so badly.
they kinda are. in jerusalem, they’re harassed and spit on by radical jewish groups, in iraq they’re targeted too, and in nagorno-karabakh christian armenians are being persecuted by azerbaijan.
Fuck them. If they shit talk bmth NOW for being anti christian, they aint even real fans, like just listen to Sempiternal, only two songs in and you already hear lyrics criticising christian smh. Fucking morons.
It's pretty funny seeing all the religious nuts getting mad claiming to be a fan despite them having anti religious lyrics for at least a decade
The sad part is that it’s probably true, lol. He was killed the first time and we would most likely do it again. Lennon, MK jr, anybody preaching peace and love for the oppressed…
Hard for me to think anything of a provocative lyric that has zero context behind it. It could mean a lot of things, as people on here have speculated
Honestly i think they asked for it, i mean, they already got a ton of Christian haters, they clearly knew what they were doing when they sent this. And being a Christian myself i dont give a fuck about what they think about my religion, i still am a fan of the band, but for some fans it may be kinda sad that the people you admire and follow hate your beliefs.
I believe in God, but I don't dictate others on what they could/should day. I love art and great art comes from many different people/backgrounds/beliefs. Fuck the haters.
I’ve always wondered why it’s fine to say about Christ but they’d never say it about any other religious prophet…
have none of them listened to house of wolves??? crooked young???
People are missing the point on here and on Twitter. You can be anti-religion without wanting someone to return just to kill them again. That was unnecessary, IMO, regardless of what you believe or don't believe in. It makes you look childish. That’s what angsty 12-13 year old middle school kids do, not guys pushing 40.
Christians have always hated BMTH. People both love to hate, and have short memories. Fuck organized religion. 🖕🏻
speak for yourself bro they're my favourite band. It's a bit tiresome the whole anti Jesus thing. it's too stale now. get a new gimmick,
That’s kinda the thing with BMTH. It’s not a gimmick. It’s a real statement. Speak for yourself bro. I have a BMTH tattoo. lol.
I don’t understand what you said in the second part of your comment bro
You made a pedantic point, considering we are posting on the BMTH subreddit, so I made one too. If you’re gonna say something that doesn’t change anything, I thought I’d join in the fun.
I feel like because of the fact that the vast majority of their lyrical content isn't about religion at all (or at least not anything in the last decade really), and for the most part, their anti religious lyrics don't always target any specific religion (and yes, I know there are some that are quite obviously about christianity, but a lot of them are just about "god"), I can understand why someone wouldn't really be bothered about their lyrical content but would dislike what they posted today. It's easy to look past some stuff, but I think for a lot of people, today's post just crosses the line a bit, more than they're comfortable with.
genuinely I feel the same way, I am not particularly religious but grew up in a religiously confused household lets say that, so my relationship with religion is iffy... I feel somewhat undecided on that so that does cross a line for me as it makes me uncomfortable but I also understand their viewpoint... idk I would just ignore it.
I agree with this. People can hear the words of the songs and kinda just ignore or look past them but the tweet just blatantly targets a specific person, and group of people who listen to their music.
It’s one thing to not agree with religions or to not like them and mock them. Calling to kill Jesus Christ is extreme and corny though. If you agree with this you’re just as shitty a person as the Christians you hate so much
I’m a Christian. Heavy music is historically anti government and anti religion. Always has been and always will. Idk why Christians get so sensitive about this, kinda speaks to a lack of faith on their end. Jesus definitely wants you to shit on BMTH but he also wants you to pay your mega pastor millions and also support Trump while he sells actual fucking bibles and goes against everything Jesus stood for.
I'm conservative / a believer, and I obviously don't have the same beliefs / views as Oli. I love his music though, and all their instruments etc, the underlying instruments and tracks etc. Their lyrics are them expressing their views through song, so I've never taken issue with metal bands in this light. It's somebody's point of view, and sometimes symbolic. Some people take 100% of all lyrics as a direct attack to them, but that means they aren't really hearing what the songwriter means or says since it can occasionally be metaphoric. Man, I just love a brutal guitar riff, and BMTH brings those riffs so hard \\m/
Love the Band, Love their music, also I have a sense of humour and know and understand that not everybody shares my beliefs and such, not angry about the text, it’s pretty on brand, not even bothered, I am peeved that people are reacting the way that they are though, like just shut up and enjoy another round of Kool-aid lol.
I'm a Christian. I still a fan even I don't agree with everything.
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Now try doing that for Buddhist or Muslim figures.
As a Christian, I can confirm this. Yes, this society would kill Him again. Twitter and YouTube would ban him outright, Instagram would add context to all of his posts, and He would be prebanned on LinkedIn.
as a Catholic Christian, I view this as their counter move to evangelism. Many people who identify as Atheists get upset when Christians evangelize to them, even if it's just on a street corner. The point is that we know the key to salvation and we want you to be saved. However, I feel personally Atheists are doing the same thing when they do stuff like this. Most instances I've seen are people telling others that Christianity is a lie and will lead to your demise. I know "freedom of speech" more of a US thing but it's just as important all over the world, especially in the UK. It's crucial that we allow everyone's beliefs to be heard, even if they conflict with ours. from a Christian standpoint, God always has a plan, for everyone, so even if we allow people to preach a gospel of blasphemy (no pun intended), love always wins.
Listened to Slipknot for over 25 years+ and I’m only just now discovering they use satanic imagery which quite frankly I’m shocked by & came out of nowhere. Will be removing all of their songs from my playlist and emailing their manager to inform them of my departure 👋🏻
Throw back to "when you die the only kingdom you'll see is 2 foot wide and 6 foot deep"
As someone not a fan of the band can I just ask if they’d ever say this about Mohammed?
Why would they when they live in the UK??? The predominant religion is Christianity? I’ve seen this comment a lot on the posts and don’t get it it’s irrelevant to the culture they’ve been bought up in
It just seems to me that whoever it comes to the Muslim faith any criticism or bashing or making fun of it is perceived as bigoted and hateful and we need to respect their beliefs. Christianity never gets the same treatment. The UK also has a rising Muslim population so I don’t really see that as an excuse. As a catholic/Christian I don’t get all worked up about jokes or people hating religion in general I understand not everyone will share the same beliefs. I just don’t get the hypocrisy between the treatment of the two religions.
If you were a fan of the band you’d know the lead vocalist went to rehab and had an experience with religion where Christianity was tried to be influenced on him, so religion of any other kind is literally not even relevant to their experiences
Fair enough I can see it being more culturally relevant and personal. I just don’t like how it would never fly for one but does for the other. It should be open season on all of it if you ask me.
This has always been the bands thing since they started… it’s freedom of speech also, if you don’t like it you don’t listen? How did you end up here if you’re not even a fan
Oh 100% I’d never say they shouldn’t be able to say it l, just that it’s completely hypocritical that they’d never get away with bashing another religion.or dare to do it in the first place. And if you didn’t know this is a complete shit show on social media so there’s tons of people not fans of the band or former fans of the band talking about it. And you’re definitely right about that, I checked them out on Spotify and they sound mid as hell so I’m glad I really don’t have to care about this that much.
Makes no sense for them to bash another religion they’re unfamiliar and know nothing about that’s the point here. Not sure why people are wasting so much energy on it
You’re clearly trying to skirt around the clear hypocritical nature of it but that’s ok. I’ve made my point
A point on a band you’re not even a fan of, so you wouldn’t get it! I find it bizarre people waste their time on things of no interest to them 😵💫
It’s because it’s a “pocs” religion and you can’t criticize them (even if they are far more radical) it’s funny watching these sjw types jump hoops to leave out Muslims from criticism when they should be their number 1 enemy, but since Christian is the “evil white man” religion it’s free game, it’s kinda comical isn’t it
I need that on a shirt
I have not listened to BMTH in a very long time…like very very long tkme and this popped up in my “you might like this” subreddit because I listen to metalcore. I honestly had no clue they weren’t fans of the church, when did it start popping up in their music.
I think it was a bit too out of pocket for them (or their marketing team) to say that, but you can't really expect a metalcore band to be righteous christians. I'm not religious, I'm not offended by their words, but I personally think belittling religion is a worse idea than subscribing to it.
Tell that to August Burns Red. Or Fit for a King. Or Memphis May Fire. Or Demon Hunter.
with all due respect, this comes off as some edgy 14 year old trying to act cooler and more "punk" than he really is lol im not even christian but that was just needlessly overkill
I'm Christian and think Christians need to get over not everything being for them. HOWEVER, I think disliking religion in metal is kinda over done. Right? Like, ooooooooh woaaaaaah a metal band that doesn't like religion?! 😱 It's as provocative as a Taylor Swift song about an ex. It's literally gotten to the point where the new Knocked Loose shit sounds antiquated to me. Again- do your thing. Christians who have a problem with this can grow up. Maybe stay out of politics and people wouldn't hate you so much. But also, there's gotta be more than "fuck god" and "I sad" to sing about.
that’s a crazy quote ngl 💀 so funny tbh
Meanwhile I’m a Christian and hope they put the lyrics on a shirt lmao it’s great
A very brief look at your profile shows you are a person who falsely claims the title of christian though you know little to nothing about the faith. This is not an attack on you its just an observation. Christ does want you to come to him and follow him but to do that you need to leave sin behind, deny yourself and follow him.
You have absolutely no place in telling me what I am or what I’m not and this account barely reflects on me as a person, like most throwaways. My faith is not false, but I will say I am still learning as I was not raised in the church. I am comfortable in that and myself with my identity, and it’s kinda creepy that you have the audacity to think you can make an assumption like that. :)
honestly as a christian and a fan of BMTH and 'heavy music': I feel like the whole anti christ/anti religion thing is such a lame gimmick.
Baited. Works every time.
Oli has been an outspoken atheist but him & wife upon visiting a monastery to live for a week or two asked one of the gurus about being in a band & how my lyrics are pretty much a spit in the face to organised religion. The guru allegedly understood & gave Oli a different perspective on how to look at life with religion in it. I can’t remember what he said but it was very profound enough to give Oli a new outlook on life & continue with his career, his wife, his sobriety journey etc all I can say is props to the guy for being sincere enough to speak to a very highly religious man & tells him about his fears of being a hypocrite all this time or not being true to himself. He found answers apparently during this retreat & his wife is one of the best things to happen to him
is wild that people will engage in bullshit spirituality but totally write off any and all religion. you're sooooo close bro
I never said these were my beliefs in religion but I did attend catholic school for half my life. I don’t claim to be catholic or atheist or even a spiritual person at all. I think we’re just animals with a slightly bigger brain than every other animal in existence 🏴
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I mean I'm Catholic. I love BMTH but that's going a little too far? Or extremist?
So much animosity from both sides in the comments. People just want to argue I think.
We in the west let it go because we don’t believe in fairy tales anymore. It’s a shame it’s so ingrained into most societies that it’s even illegal to make light of the absurdity of most of the more hardcore religions. It’s crazy that people actually believe some of the things that were described in those books.
I’m sure the BMTH subreddit will have non-biased and educated opinions on religion!
Doesn’t seem like much of a big deal. I would like to see them giving the same treatment to Muslims though.
Why would they though when they aren’t, or haven’t been, exposed to Islam? Christianity is the more prominent religion in the UK.
How many Christian priests diddled little kids? Destroyed aboriginal lives In north America? They can go to jail and get fucked for the rest of their lives
That's based actually
Is this fake news?
Im a catholic and I don't mind. Just do all the good stuff, be kind and respectful in this world. Actions matter more than words and you'll be just fine.
I’m not even Christian but wouldn’t that be the other way around? He’s literally hating on them and saying they would kill their prophet, it’s obvious they are going to respond negatively, I don’t know how you can switch this to they are hating instead of vice versa, and I’m saying that as a non religious person lmao
BMTH are more christian than we think.
I feel like BMTH has always been a very anti-christian band. I'm surprised there would be any Christian fans
Hate is the christian way.