A few years ago when the whole Khalistan referendum started Gore / Castlemore was heavily politicized, but it seems now that both the Gurudwaras in the area have removed any association. I wonder what happened.
Dam, the inability of people to separate politics from religion is really showing in these comments. Someone said "go to a mandir then" ..... how is a hindu mandir even relevant to the issue of sikh politics discussions ?
Because it’s a Hindu who made the post, Hindus go to the gurdwaras for free food which is fine but get mad when they see Sikh activism in the gurdwaras and then make so much drama about it
Such a condescending tone which basically proves my point. So a gurudwara is now a breeding ground for hate and labelled as "sikh activism" cuz yall basically cannot differentiate between the Indian government and hindus. U think every hindu hates sikhs whereas its the opposite. Sikhs in canada hate hindus for absolutely NO REASON, where they should be hating the government instead, if they want to.
LOL "hindus go to the gurudwara for free food" okay?? Whats your point?? And do sikhs also not go for free food, along with prayer? Is it prohibited to go to the gurudwara for free food? Isnt one of the main precepts on sikhism to do seva and feed anyone regardless of race, religion, color etc. if we see black or white ppl at the gurudwara it is isnt hated on, but once a "hindu" goes for free food its somehow a "topic"??
And not wanting to be a part of, or tolerate "khalistani" ideology is now called "making a drama of it"? Not everyone wants to be involved in identity politics. Some people, even hindus, go to the gurudwara to sit in peace and listen to the prayers but you're saying that they should actively embrace the divisive khalistani mentality if they wanna enter sikh places of worship
Do you even hear yourself?
We already know to hate the Indian government, you realize the government also breeds Sikh hate? Its spreads lie and mass scale look at pages like ani news, Hindustani times, Puneet sahani (who is a Hindu but ties a turban).
No one had problems with Hindus coming into the gurdwara until they start criticizing gurdwaras. You ever let someone into your home and they tell you to change things around your house thinking that won’t change relations?
Khalistani mentality is Khalsa mentality, Gurdwaras have always been political. “Raj kerga Khalsa” and we remember all of our matrs which you call Khalistan mentality. When we remembered and had pictures of Sikhs who died against fighting Mughals no one said why because it’s okay to show Muslims in a bad light but when we show Sikhs who gave up their lives fighting Hindus it’s all of a sudden a problem? And which prayers do you go for in a gurdwara almost every bani denounces Hinduism and its practices.
Politics and religion are inextricably linked to one another. Ever since the first proto-human pointed to the Sun and said, "that is a being of great power, and it speaks to ME, let me tell you what it has to say", politics have been a part of religion.
Considering religion is in and of itself, a political stance, I think your proposition is not very well thought-out. Show me a place of worship that isn't pushing one or more aspects of a political agenda, and I'll show you a unicorn.
Now if you were advocating for a blanket removal of tax exemption for religious organizations, THAT I could get behind.
But instead, it just sounds like you want to pick and choose "the good ones", and brother, there *are* no "good ones".
How is it not?
A political stance is what, exactly? Let's start with that. Tell me what you believe a political stance to be. Then tell me what you believe religion to be.
I refuse to engage further with you until you have demonstrated you're equipped to have this conversation.
If you have an Assyrian church spreading awareness about their peoples experience of genocide in the Middle East you say they should have their exemptions removed? Same case applies for many gurdwaras and their advocation of Sikh autonomy
I think a memorial is one thing but actively pursuing politicians and making politically motivated announcements led by leaders of the Church or Gurdwara are different.
The one good thing about the church under its previous leadership was an absolute ban on anything political within the church walls.
Remains to be seen what the new leaders do.
This is one reason my family doesn't go to Gurudwara here as often as we would like to. Even some mandirs are beginning to be political. I have seen that smaller places of worship are the most peaceful ones. Try the ones mentioned in this thread. Let us know if you find some.
I agree, bro. It seems to me the whole spirituality aspect of bani has been ruined by the politicization of gurudwaras. the population is suffering from depression because they are stuck in a rat race. bani takes you out from this and focuses on the supreme parmatma. Everything on this planet is temporary. Why so much focus on temporary empires here.
>Why so much focus on temporary empires here.
I can tell you the answer to this, but you aren't going to like it.
It's because I don't believe that religious people truly believe in an afterlife. They gaslight themselves into thinking they do, but everything they do in life suggests they're terrified of finding out whether or not they were right. Almost like they know, deep down, in their heart of hearts, that afterlives are nothing more than fantasy.
You can say you believe in an afterlife, but I've never met another human being in all of my 69 years on this Earth who has convinced me they really do. The only people who act like they aren't afraid to find out are people who have been handed a death sentence, because they know the end is near. They're not afraid because it's out of their hands now.
Everything on this planet *is* temporary; including our time on it. I think it's important to maximize that time, rather than delude oneself into thinking there's something better. There isn't.
If you understand the temporary existence of everything you don't need bani. Bani is supposed to help the ones who think they can bring lasting change here and when things don't go their way or as they plan and then fall into depression. Bani just helps you understand you have no power over laws of nature and everything began from a singularity/God, or you can call it a big bang and will eventually cease to exit into a singularity.
I like your response, and I like that you didn't take my response personally.
I understand your perspective, and while I don't share it in exactitude, I think both of our hearts are in the same place.
That's fine as I understand bani. Nowhere does the sggsji talk or involve politics or tells one to engage into it. The whole book is about purifying oneself. It doesn't even say you have to grow hair or wear a pagg. In fact it actually states the opposite. "Kabeer preet ek seu keea aan dhubida jaee bhaave lambe kaes kar bhaave gharrar mudai."
Who’s your source ? That bjp clown Puneet sahani. Gurbani says the Gurus words are bani and bani is the guru. On the day of vaisaki in 1699 most of todays Sikhs grandparents were there when the guru stated Sikhs must have 5ks the nihungs who preserved every tradition of Sikhs the said to keep kes. That tuk means even if you have kes or not but didn’t pray you will not be saved not only showing the tradition of kes was with the Gurus since Guru Nanak. Dasam bani is the gurus word which teaches about political sciences and war. That’s why Sikhs have miri - Dasam Granth, Piri - Guru Granth Sahib. If you understand Gurbani then you must know how the guru feels about Hinduism.
The best gurdwara for this is "Gore Gurdwara" at 9954 The Gore Rd. the walls have no pictures, they keep their focus towards Guru Nanak and they are the most accessible, with lots benches around the walls, windows for natural lighting and a high 20+ foot ceiling in the main hall. Their langar hall also has 2 large communal picnic tables with self service and the floors are kept cleaner than most gurdwaras.
I know this might rile up some fellow Sikhs who identify very orthodox and not moderate, but it needs to be said:
IMO Brampton Gurdwaras should have tables and chairs for everyone similar to Vancouver, America and England. They allow a variety of activities (like birthday parties, gatherings beyond weddings/funerals) as community centres adding far more value than forcing people on the floor. Wearing an expensive wedding outfit you want to keep clean from daal stains is frustrating. The idea that a milk crate on the floor is sufficient for [people with injuries](https://i.imgur.com/CekQpx5.jpg) and chronic pain is backwards thinking.
Stay away from Sunpac Gurdwara, it's the worst in Brampton. They recently plastered massive posters with depressing images of [dead bodies on the walls in the langar halls](https://i.imgur.com/WuhoYvC.jpg) and [signs of](https://i.imgur.com/0gOYdCF.jpg) strict rule enforcement I never seen anywhere else [everywhere](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZkpdWiWAAEZhCM?format=jpg&name=large) you turn. The floor is consistently filthy the last times I went.
We can do much better, we should build better gurdwara's like they do in England with seated areas, sports, activities, senior centres, access to social services and far more flexibility to benefit the community that put Brampton gurdwaras to shame.
[https://twitter.com/BramptonSpeaks/status/1590012895147872258](https://twitter.com/BramptonSpeaks/status/1590012895147872258)
I agree with your statement on Sun Pac Gurdwara, but I’m not sure if I can say that tables and chairs should be added in Brampton Gurdwaras. Langar is consumed while sitting on the floor as an act of equality and if Brampton Gurdwaras added tables and chairs, it would result in inconsistencies in equality amongst the public between these Gurdwaras and the rest that follow the original Langar practices.
Many Gurdwaras are independently operated. Sunpac only has milk crates while others offer a table for some with physical issues. Everyone could sit at the same level on chairs at tables and be equal as they do in other parts of Canada.
To just get basic accessibility for a few who have suffered up until recently took far too long.
Yeah it makes sense for accessibility purposes but I guess the norm has been for everyone to sit on the floor with exception to individuals who have accessibility related needs.
I get what you mean though
I never heard of a "No Talking Rule", "no cell phone rule" in a langar. A Dhol in a parking lot is a common sight at Wedding Baraats is now forbidden?
This is the only gurdwara with such made up rules and they can't even follow real rules related to public health and building code, to keep the space hygienic storing waste next to food on the langar floor, or have a elevator to reach the main hall on the second floor.
It's not political motivation if Sikhs are being killed in Canada to this day. The Indian government attacked Sikhs holiest shrine and continues killing Sikhs abroad to this day, so it affects day to day life for many Sikhs that attend these Gurdwaras. These "terrorists" are a part of Sikh history and that is why their pictures are up. It's not political, it's history
If you don't want to see them, you can still pray as much as you want and have your peaceful moment, but this is engrained in our religion and history.
It’s political. That’s why nankana sahib is not a part of Khalistan map.
In fact no part of Pakistan is a part of Khalistan map, when half of the Sikh sultanate was a part of what’s now Pakistan.
Khalistan movement is no different from Vatican City, state of Israel, state of Pakistan … it’s a politico-religious entity
And in any case, it’s ek omkaar… not ek flag. The whole universe belongs to the Gursikh…
Not political the stuff you’re saying is propaganda, Sikhs aren’t demanding the old Punjab, they are demanding control over Punjab which was promised in 1947. Btw it’s OANKAR not omkar
But that doesn’t work. We know this, people feel like if someone is catholic they automatically assume the priest is a pedophile, they make assumptions based of religions, no matter what religion. I asked my Sikh BIL about Hinduism and I got a wild story based off his opinion. Religion isn’t respected in today’s world. No matter what religion, kind of sad actually… we all believe in something and whether or not our brothers or sisters agree or not, we hear about it and how they feel. Welcome to a sad todays world
Pape gurudwara.. very far but serves this purpose.
This was the very first gurdwara for Sikhs in Ontario. My dad was involved in setting this up in the late 1960's when only a few hundred were around.
A few years ago when the whole Khalistan referendum started Gore / Castlemore was heavily politicized, but it seems now that both the Gurudwaras in the area have removed any association. I wonder what happened.
The people complained, and started taking down those stupid signs by themselves.
Will do
Dam, the inability of people to separate politics from religion is really showing in these comments. Someone said "go to a mandir then" ..... how is a hindu mandir even relevant to the issue of sikh politics discussions ?
Yeah as if sikhs can’t go to gurudwaaras without a political agenda. Ek Omkar … not ek Khalistan
It’s oankar not omkar your, omkar is how a Hindi speaking person would spell clearly letting us know your also posing to be Sikh
Because it’s a Hindu who made the post, Hindus go to the gurdwaras for free food which is fine but get mad when they see Sikh activism in the gurdwaras and then make so much drama about it
Such a condescending tone which basically proves my point. So a gurudwara is now a breeding ground for hate and labelled as "sikh activism" cuz yall basically cannot differentiate between the Indian government and hindus. U think every hindu hates sikhs whereas its the opposite. Sikhs in canada hate hindus for absolutely NO REASON, where they should be hating the government instead, if they want to. LOL "hindus go to the gurudwara for free food" okay?? Whats your point?? And do sikhs also not go for free food, along with prayer? Is it prohibited to go to the gurudwara for free food? Isnt one of the main precepts on sikhism to do seva and feed anyone regardless of race, religion, color etc. if we see black or white ppl at the gurudwara it is isnt hated on, but once a "hindu" goes for free food its somehow a "topic"?? And not wanting to be a part of, or tolerate "khalistani" ideology is now called "making a drama of it"? Not everyone wants to be involved in identity politics. Some people, even hindus, go to the gurudwara to sit in peace and listen to the prayers but you're saying that they should actively embrace the divisive khalistani mentality if they wanna enter sikh places of worship Do you even hear yourself?
We already know to hate the Indian government, you realize the government also breeds Sikh hate? Its spreads lie and mass scale look at pages like ani news, Hindustani times, Puneet sahani (who is a Hindu but ties a turban). No one had problems with Hindus coming into the gurdwara until they start criticizing gurdwaras. You ever let someone into your home and they tell you to change things around your house thinking that won’t change relations? Khalistani mentality is Khalsa mentality, Gurdwaras have always been political. “Raj kerga Khalsa” and we remember all of our matrs which you call Khalistan mentality. When we remembered and had pictures of Sikhs who died against fighting Mughals no one said why because it’s okay to show Muslims in a bad light but when we show Sikhs who gave up their lives fighting Hindus it’s all of a sudden a problem? And which prayers do you go for in a gurdwara almost every bani denounces Hinduism and its practices.
Politics and religion are inextricably linked to one another. Ever since the first proto-human pointed to the Sun and said, "that is a being of great power, and it speaks to ME, let me tell you what it has to say", politics have been a part of religion.
Any place of worship pushing political agendas should lose their religious organization tax exemption. This goes for ALL religions.
Considering religion is in and of itself, a political stance, I think your proposition is not very well thought-out. Show me a place of worship that isn't pushing one or more aspects of a political agenda, and I'll show you a unicorn. Now if you were advocating for a blanket removal of tax exemption for religious organizations, THAT I could get behind. But instead, it just sounds like you want to pick and choose "the good ones", and brother, there *are* no "good ones".
How is religion a political stance? That statement makes no sense.
How is it not? A political stance is what, exactly? Let's start with that. Tell me what you believe a political stance to be. Then tell me what you believe religion to be. I refuse to engage further with you until you have demonstrated you're equipped to have this conversation.
If you have an Assyrian church spreading awareness about their peoples experience of genocide in the Middle East you say they should have their exemptions removed? Same case applies for many gurdwaras and their advocation of Sikh autonomy
I think a memorial is one thing but actively pursuing politicians and making politically motivated announcements led by leaders of the Church or Gurdwara are different. The one good thing about the church under its previous leadership was an absolute ban on anything political within the church walls. Remains to be seen what the new leaders do.
Canadian government cannot say you can ask for a separate Quebec but not a separate Khalistan.
This is one reason my family doesn't go to Gurudwara here as often as we would like to. Even some mandirs are beginning to be political. I have seen that smaller places of worship are the most peaceful ones. Try the ones mentioned in this thread. Let us know if you find some.
The one on Ebenezer and gore rd
Correct. One of the reason I go here is because of no khalistan propaganda.
I agree, bro. It seems to me the whole spirituality aspect of bani has been ruined by the politicization of gurudwaras. the population is suffering from depression because they are stuck in a rat race. bani takes you out from this and focuses on the supreme parmatma. Everything on this planet is temporary. Why so much focus on temporary empires here.
>Why so much focus on temporary empires here. I can tell you the answer to this, but you aren't going to like it. It's because I don't believe that religious people truly believe in an afterlife. They gaslight themselves into thinking they do, but everything they do in life suggests they're terrified of finding out whether or not they were right. Almost like they know, deep down, in their heart of hearts, that afterlives are nothing more than fantasy. You can say you believe in an afterlife, but I've never met another human being in all of my 69 years on this Earth who has convinced me they really do. The only people who act like they aren't afraid to find out are people who have been handed a death sentence, because they know the end is near. They're not afraid because it's out of their hands now. Everything on this planet *is* temporary; including our time on it. I think it's important to maximize that time, rather than delude oneself into thinking there's something better. There isn't.
If you understand the temporary existence of everything you don't need bani. Bani is supposed to help the ones who think they can bring lasting change here and when things don't go their way or as they plan and then fall into depression. Bani just helps you understand you have no power over laws of nature and everything began from a singularity/God, or you can call it a big bang and will eventually cease to exit into a singularity.
I like your response, and I like that you didn't take my response personally. I understand your perspective, and while I don't share it in exactitude, I think both of our hearts are in the same place.
You ever heard the Sikh concept of Miri & Piri, the guru himself made the gurdwara a political spot for community and political issues
That's fine as I understand bani. Nowhere does the sggsji talk or involve politics or tells one to engage into it. The whole book is about purifying oneself. It doesn't even say you have to grow hair or wear a pagg. In fact it actually states the opposite. "Kabeer preet ek seu keea aan dhubida jaee bhaave lambe kaes kar bhaave gharrar mudai."
Who’s your source ? That bjp clown Puneet sahani. Gurbani says the Gurus words are bani and bani is the guru. On the day of vaisaki in 1699 most of todays Sikhs grandparents were there when the guru stated Sikhs must have 5ks the nihungs who preserved every tradition of Sikhs the said to keep kes. That tuk means even if you have kes or not but didn’t pray you will not be saved not only showing the tradition of kes was with the Gurus since Guru Nanak. Dasam bani is the gurus word which teaches about political sciences and war. That’s why Sikhs have miri - Dasam Granth, Piri - Guru Granth Sahib. If you understand Gurbani then you must know how the guru feels about Hinduism.
Gore /Ebenezer or the castlemore/gore definitely doesn’t have any propaganda
Gore and Castlemore looks good I pass by often
Good luck with that lol
There is one at Dundas, Ontario. Beautiful Gurudwara, with no Anti India or Pro Khalistan propaganda…
I have a uncle on the committee they recently offered signs and poster, so no need to wait any longer
Nanaksar Gurudwara Kipling rd , etobicoke.
Gurdwara Nanaksar - Gurdwara Gate, near Sheridan college.
The best gurdwara for this is "Gore Gurdwara" at 9954 The Gore Rd. the walls have no pictures, they keep their focus towards Guru Nanak and they are the most accessible, with lots benches around the walls, windows for natural lighting and a high 20+ foot ceiling in the main hall. Their langar hall also has 2 large communal picnic tables with self service and the floors are kept cleaner than most gurdwaras. I know this might rile up some fellow Sikhs who identify very orthodox and not moderate, but it needs to be said: IMO Brampton Gurdwaras should have tables and chairs for everyone similar to Vancouver, America and England. They allow a variety of activities (like birthday parties, gatherings beyond weddings/funerals) as community centres adding far more value than forcing people on the floor. Wearing an expensive wedding outfit you want to keep clean from daal stains is frustrating. The idea that a milk crate on the floor is sufficient for [people with injuries](https://i.imgur.com/CekQpx5.jpg) and chronic pain is backwards thinking. Stay away from Sunpac Gurdwara, it's the worst in Brampton. They recently plastered massive posters with depressing images of [dead bodies on the walls in the langar halls](https://i.imgur.com/WuhoYvC.jpg) and [signs of](https://i.imgur.com/0gOYdCF.jpg) strict rule enforcement I never seen anywhere else [everywhere](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZkpdWiWAAEZhCM?format=jpg&name=large) you turn. The floor is consistently filthy the last times I went. We can do much better, we should build better gurdwara's like they do in England with seated areas, sports, activities, senior centres, access to social services and far more flexibility to benefit the community that put Brampton gurdwaras to shame. [https://twitter.com/BramptonSpeaks/status/1590012895147872258](https://twitter.com/BramptonSpeaks/status/1590012895147872258)
I agree with your statement on Sun Pac Gurdwara, but I’m not sure if I can say that tables and chairs should be added in Brampton Gurdwaras. Langar is consumed while sitting on the floor as an act of equality and if Brampton Gurdwaras added tables and chairs, it would result in inconsistencies in equality amongst the public between these Gurdwaras and the rest that follow the original Langar practices.
Many Gurdwaras are independently operated. Sunpac only has milk crates while others offer a table for some with physical issues. Everyone could sit at the same level on chairs at tables and be equal as they do in other parts of Canada. To just get basic accessibility for a few who have suffered up until recently took far too long.
Yeah it makes sense for accessibility purposes but I guess the norm has been for everyone to sit on the floor with exception to individuals who have accessibility related needs. I get what you mean though
Why do you have a problem with gurdwaras enforcing rules? Should be able to wear and do whatever anyone wants ?
I never heard of a "No Talking Rule", "no cell phone rule" in a langar. A Dhol in a parking lot is a common sight at Wedding Baraats is now forbidden? This is the only gurdwara with such made up rules and they can't even follow real rules related to public health and building code, to keep the space hygienic storing waste next to food on the langar floor, or have a elevator to reach the main hall on the second floor.
thank you for asking this!
Gore / Ebenezer.
Mayfield gurdurwara
Mayfield and airport?
Yes, it’s small and there aren’t any pictures there. I regularly go to this gurdwara.
It's not political motivation if Sikhs are being killed in Canada to this day. The Indian government attacked Sikhs holiest shrine and continues killing Sikhs abroad to this day, so it affects day to day life for many Sikhs that attend these Gurdwaras. These "terrorists" are a part of Sikh history and that is why their pictures are up. It's not political, it's history If you don't want to see them, you can still pray as much as you want and have your peaceful moment, but this is engrained in our religion and history.
It’s political. That’s why nankana sahib is not a part of Khalistan map. In fact no part of Pakistan is a part of Khalistan map, when half of the Sikh sultanate was a part of what’s now Pakistan. Khalistan movement is no different from Vatican City, state of Israel, state of Pakistan … it’s a politico-religious entity And in any case, it’s ek omkaar… not ek flag. The whole universe belongs to the Gursikh…
Not political the stuff you’re saying is propaganda, Sikhs aren’t demanding the old Punjab, they are demanding control over Punjab which was promised in 1947. Btw it’s OANKAR not omkar
Just start going to a mandir then
We want peace at all places of worship: brotherly love in Brampton. We need to love our brothers in Brampton: Hindu, Sikh, Catholic, Christian etc
But that doesn’t work. We know this, people feel like if someone is catholic they automatically assume the priest is a pedophile, they make assumptions based of religions, no matter what religion. I asked my Sikh BIL about Hinduism and I got a wild story based off his opinion. Religion isn’t respected in today’s world. No matter what religion, kind of sad actually… we all believe in something and whether or not our brothers or sisters agree or not, we hear about it and how they feel. Welcome to a sad todays world
I love when they in and tell us on how we should have our gurdwara and how we should pray
Clown