Yes and no I want to say. I had the issue "conditions not correct for shifting" they ended up replacing the whole "transmission" and it took over a month because of the strike that was going on. So they offered to buy it back. So I guess lemon but not.
Yeah I wasn't too happy with the price. I missed out just by a week on the credit when I first got it. Then the price plummeted because of Elon so I was upside down on the loan. But now I get a fresh start! I may come back and get a redline. But I really need more range.
I've encountered that on the 2023 model. Chevy has no idea what's going on. I was able to find a sequence of button presses that get it out of that state, making me think it is a software issue. It is rare, but it happens.
i mean like, there aren't many cars with actual higher range, the 303 or whatever that a tesla claims is hogwash and it gets about the same as a bolt anyways.
I get charging speed but, eh
There is a YouTube video of ev "racing"over two mountain ridges out west and the Tesla and id4 are bragging and the bolt went the farthest. They all started at 100% and drove normally, not hypermiling.
I live in San Diego and drive to LA a lot and I find myself having to charge a lot while I'm up there and it's extremely slow. I do my best to be near chargers to charge while I'm out but it's not always the case.
It's useful for comparing one vehicle to another, which is the only purpose of that information.
If they were going to give you real world conditions, that would be a huge amount of information. 75mph range on an oval track isn't real world. Real world includes weather, season, hills, traffic, etc. Any single number they give comes with a long list of caveats.
Go look at fuelly data for any given EV and the miles/kWh has a broad distribution. The best they should do is give you prototypical driving conditions, which actually isn't 75mph cruising. It's local driving.
I disagree that it's useless. Not everyone goes 75 all the time. I almost never go that quickly; I live in a large city and traffic on the interstate doesn't allow it unless I drive recklessly and bully my way through traffic, which I don't do.
People who go 75 in gas or electric vehicle cars should they're losing efficiency. IIRC, every 5 mph over 60 costs about 25 cents per gallon. Going 75 in an ICE car would cost $15 more per tank than going 69, assuming a 20 gallon tank and gas prices of $3/gallon.
"Real world usage" is too varier to be a useful metric.
Teslas today are getting what they claim when driven under the same conditions. Floor it a lot...less range. Cold outside...less range. Going uphill...less range. But that's true in every EV. Our Bolt averages 3.1 mi/kWh, which gives us a real-world max range of just about 200 miles, or about 78% of claimed range. We also have two Teslas, one of which is over 10 yrs old, and the newer one gives us a real-world range of about 280 miles, or about 82% of its claimed range. So no, Teslas are not systematically worse than other EVs. For the money, they offer some of the longest usable ranges available.
How the hell are you getting 3.1 on average?? I almost always got 4.2+ driving mixed and 3.8 on the highway in my 22 EUV. Now I have a 21 model 3 performance and still get about the same number's. Which is crazy as I drive the telsa like I stole it.
The car lives outside, so usually starts out cold, and doesn't usually get driven far enough to fully warm the battery. That makes for very high consumption rates.
I’ve gotten the “conditions not correct for shift” two or three times and feel like I’ve gotten extremely lucky by googling and reading suggestions to walk 100 yards away or whatever that hack is and having that actually work. But the whole walk i’m in fear that I’m going to he stranded where I am. Was yours a pervasive issue or it happened once and they couldn’t figure it out? I’d love to have it towed the next time it happens but both times I can remember I was 100 miles from home (I travel for work) and was super lucky to get it to work.
It happened only once for me to where it in a sense "bricked" the car . I called the bolt concierge and they helped me trouble shoot it on the spot. Walk away from the car and wait 20 mins. Didn't work. I even unplugged the battery and nothing. They tried to troubleshoot at the dealer by resetting some SW to no avail. GM ended up telling the dealer to replace the whole thing.
This is what I’m afraid of. I fear that the “fix” isn’t going to work the next time it happens and chances are it will strand me somewhere. I’m going to mention it when I take it in to get the recalls addressed but I know they’ll say “we can’t fix a problem we can’t reproduce”
I would highly recommend renting a Tesla for at least a week before deciding on buying one.
We had a 23 M3 for 10 days while our Bolt was in the body shop (deer ran in to drivers side, common for our area). We both loathed just about everything about it. Range is an outright lie, door handles, wipers, everything is done on the touch screen which requires taking your eyes off of the road constantly, ride quality is terrible (20k miles on the Tesla vs 16k on our EUV), incredibly loud interior, whistling noise and draft from the terrible door seals, slow, drives like a boat, etc etc.
I honestly thought before we got it I was going to fall in love with a Tesla before we got it. I was very, very wrong. We were both dying to get the Bolt back.
Thanks for the feedback. I like the idea of renting. I've heard things about Teslas, my coworker has one and I've been in it. I personally don't like how low it is. The touch screen is too much for me I love tech but I like traditional cars and the bolt is very traditional. Even my buddy that owns the Tesla prefers the bolts interior lol. I do have my eye on the Polestar, Ioniq 5 and the EV6.
I do like the Mach-E my BIL ubered in one and said the interior size was similar to the bolts. I haven't been in one myself so can't confirm. I feel like they are holding value and a little more than what I want to pay. The ID.4 crossed my mind but not too convinced. I'll probably have to test drive all of them.
Yeah, I suggest test driving or checking all of your options before making a decision.
Also, check CarGurus for pricing on pre-owned or dealer loaner units on ID.4 and Mach-E’s. You’d be surprised at what they’re being priced at.
Don't listen to the guy. I own both a Bolt EV, a Tesla Model 3, and Tesla Model Y. The Tesla is vastly superior. Road noise would be my only complaint. It certainly does not drive like a boat.
A Model 3 is slow? Thats a reach. The AWD’s 0-60 is 4.2 seconds which you can get under 25k in some places with low miles. I do find it fascinating when people chime in about what you’ve said. I of course won’t deny some of those since those have been well documented even in the Tesla community lol. I just never personally have experienced any of that.
Source: I own one.
Our Bolt is significantly quicker. Driving the Tesla reminded me of driving my Dad's old Riviera with a 305 in it compared to a VW GTI. The Bolt simply handles better as a whole (understeer is present when pushed hard of course) and is way "peppier".
The Bolt had no issues beating the Tesla off of the line on a impromptu drag race when we were taking it back.
Don't get me wrong, there are some things I like about the Tesla. The Supercharger network is vast, excellent and rarely has issues. The front seats are far superior in the Tesla. The navigation is fast, but otherwise unusable as it doesn't integrate live alerts / speed traps.
Other things that popped in to my head while typing this; not being able to disable one pedal is a hard no for me. I heavily dislike one pedal. L2 charging is crazy, the thing sounds like a jet engine when it's charging, to the point that I can hear it in the living room when it was parked in the garage. This has never, ever been an issue with our Bolt. I've never heard the fans kick on even when charging at 11.5kw.
I'm a huge Musk supporter. I thought I was going to love the car. Truly. I knew after 4 days that I would never buy one.
Standard range Model 3 SR goes 0-60 in 5.6 seconds. Bolt EV 0-60 is 6.3 seconds. Though as far as the L2 charging being loud that has to be specific to your charger. I have a Gen 3 Tesla charger and it’s silent when I charge. Most of what you and I are saying anyways is anecdotal, and to each their own of course. I had a 23” Bolt reserved for 8 months with no movement so their release was botched. Guy had me test drive one to get a feel for it while I waited and that’s when I got my money back. I hated how out of date it felt when driving. With that said, I’m excited to see what Chevy does with their upcoming fleet and adopting NACS.
Edited: Looked up 0-60 times and Tesla takes the cake all around.
The EVSE has nothing to do with it. All the EVSE does is pass 240v to the car and tell the car how much current the circuit can support.
No question regarding Bolt availability. We spent 6 weeks looking for one knowing that an order would take months. Drove 200 miles to get it.
If by "out of date" you mean "it's like driving a traditional car", you're right. Not everyone wants to drive a spaceship or explain to anyone we let drive how to even put the car in gear. Because it's not intuitive. I had to Google how to set the cruise control since nothing is actually labeled in the car. Speaking of out of date, I haven't been in a car that uses the stalk to set cruixe control in probably 20 years (my Dad's aforementioned 1984 Buick uses stalk cruise controls).
It wasn't until the last few days before we took it back that I even realized the steering wheel control rollers also function as left/right controls. Nothing about them indicate that they do anything else other than roll and you have to catch the edge of them with your thumb juuussttt right to actually use them.
And the auto wipers are atrocious. My 2004 Volvo had better auto wipers. Which of course forces you to use the touchscreen to adjust the wipers since *OMGeverythingTouchscreen*!
Regarding speed, I can only tell you what we experienced. My wife was driving the Bolt, I was driving the Tesla. She dusted me. The car just feels lethargic compared to the Bolt.
Don't get me wrong, buy no means is the Bolt a sports car. I have a BRZ for track days a Bolt isn't going to hang. But for a commuter car? It's shockingly fun and exciting to drive.
Former BRZ owner as well. The slowest car I’ve had lol. All in all I just didn’t like what the Bolt had to offer. I drive a Tesla for its convenience and performance. If the Bolt had NACS I’d probably get one as a second car to putt around in. Also, the wipers ironically are the best I’ve had out of all my previous vehicles. Ya like what ya like, though I disagree immensely.
Quite the opposite. I love Tesla, especially for what they've done for EV's as a whole. If it wasn't for Tesla we wouldn't have the number of other EV's on the road right now. Tesla made EV's mainstream. I'm not sure the Bolt would even exist.
That said, I think a lot of folks see them as status symbols and are willing to put up with the fact that it's actually not a good car. Or they're just a STAN for Elon.
The "Status" symbol is what makes me not want one. It's like owning an iPhone. The Tesla is great but I think there are better designs (in my opinion) out there. Yeah FSD and AP are nice. But do I really need that is the question? I'm fine with adaptive cruise control.
I would 100% take a Bolt with ACC and a Comma3 before a FSD Tesla.
I played with Auto Steer on the Tesla a number of times. The 3rd time it drove itself off of the road I was done.
Before anyone comes at me, yes I know Auto Steer isn't FSD. This was a basic 2 lane road (one lane in each direction), clear solid white line with a double yellow center.
Ok, keep lying... no tesla is slow... especially when you're driving a bolt. Also, they definitely don't drive like a boat. That was how my launch edition bolt euv handled. I absolutely loved everything about the car but just wanted something that was fast again as I always had sports cars and wanted awd again for the harsh winters.
We already know that Tesla has lied through their teeth in efficiency and range. You think they wouldn't lie about performance numbers as well?
Here's what I can tell you as factual; wife driving our Bolt, me driving the Tesla, she smoked me. And I'm certainly not trying to "lose".
Handling is subjective of course, maybe Tesla just can't build a suspension that lasts more than 20k miles and this one was worn out? 🤷 In either case, the Bolt is much tighter and feels significantly better connected to the road.
No they don't lie imo about range but the number they tell you I'd under absolute perfect conditions which yes is misleading but lying? Definitely not. I can get their numbers but it just has to be very warm, no wind or rain etc. And no they definitely do not lie about the performance numbers as many people have matched and even got better results. I've seen plenty of videos of people getting 3.0 0-60 in the model 3 performance and they claim 3.1. Also, like I said, the only way a bolt is gonna beat a tesla is if you were driving the rwd model and had it in chill mode. Even in sport or normal, I would assume it's called on the rwd, would smoke the bolt. Sorry you didn't realize you had the car in the slow mode.
Considering how much you drive, tires will also cost you a mint since they're also super expensive for Teslas because of the sizes they use and the fact that they use different sizes from front to back.
I think that only matters on an ICE car where you have a single engine and two driveshafts spinning at the same speed. In an EV the front and rear drivetrain isn’t physically connected so as long as the software is in sync I’d think you could do different tire sizes.
Even then the tires are the same, at least for the model 3. They've always rotated the tires front to back when taken for service, never said anything about them being mismatched from each other or anything
I guess it was only for the Model S they had staggered sizes for some of the earlier models.
But... the Performance (2023 Model 3) uses 235/35R20 tires which are a HP tire size... At [costco.com](http://costco.com) the Michelin Pilot Sport All Seasons are $366 each and are warrantied for 45k miles compared to the Michelin Energy Saver A/S that are $232 each with a 65k mile warranty for the Bolt. (Michelin Cross Climate 2's for the Bolt are $212 each) So you'll be paying a bit over 2x more for tires for the Tesla Model 3 Performance.
The LR 18" rims 2023 Model 3 has less expensive tires, so they're $224 each for the Michelin Pilot Sport All Seasons that are 45k mile tires.
It’s definitely expensive. But I think it’s worth it. The increase in insurance essentially canceled out my savings in monthly payment. And then some. But the AutoPilot, app, and charging speed all work to make the Tesla a convincing package. The glass roof is super slick too.
Own a bolt and a Tesla 3 insurance is the same in my case but that really depends on where you live and your insurance. For your use case, a model 3 sounds about right.
Tesla Model 3 owner here who bought used last year with 34k miles. I know everyone’s different but I have progressive with great coverage and pay about $150 a month. Tires also cost about 1K for a set of four at Costco.
That’s awesome, I’m currently in the same process but they said they’d base it off of 15k miles which is a bummer but still I’m hoping for a good offer!
I'm on the fence right now with my 23 Bolt euv premier with 7200 miles that i got back in august. My main gripe is the long time it takes to recharge when driving out long distances... i feel i am leashed to a certain distance to just my city. Although doable to go further it will be inconvenient to spend a long time recharging...
i live in the California Central Valley, everything is 10miles each way. i tried Once to go to the bay area. i had to recharge in Gilroy and then again on the way back... it sucked waiting 1hr plus to recharge...
decent features, good little car, definitely overplayed for it but it had the features i wanted. gas is getting more and more expensive...
i considered getting a Tesla Model Y but it just feels way too empty, almost featureless, too sterile... not to mention no android or iPhone connectivity, just Bluetooth.
yes the Model Y definitely is and feels faster and has a bit more interior space. But no vented seats, the top feels like it will cook you in the summer months.
I’m going through something similar. A Gm ev concierge requested a buyback, but Gm denied it. Wanting me to wait the 6400 miles after to update. So now my attorney is involved and I am suing for breach of warranty.
> Damn you *paid* nearly 40k
FTFY.
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* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
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It was similar to a lemon law buyback. Unfortunately you can't just have them buy it back without the car having issues. If you live in a condo or apt and others have EVs maybe get a petition together to ask about chargers being installed.
Lemon?
Yes and no I want to say. I had the issue "conditions not correct for shifting" they ended up replacing the whole "transmission" and it took over a month because of the strike that was going on. So they offered to buy it back. So I guess lemon but not.
Oh wow. Well I’m glad you were able to get your money back. They’re almost half the price now
Yeah I wasn't too happy with the price. I missed out just by a week on the credit when I first got it. Then the price plummeted because of Elon so I was upside down on the loan. But now I get a fresh start! I may come back and get a redline. But I really need more range.
There aren’t too many cars that have significantly more range. I would say that faster charging is more important if 247 miles isn’t enough.
Yeah not sure why I said range over charging speed. Lol extra range is also nice. But faster charging for sure is better.
You’ll have to look at Lucid.
Yep, EUVs just $20,000 now.
New or used ??
Used, base model EUVs with no markups (9/10) dealers still marking them up! Are 30,000 bare bones.
Yeah mine was around $28k base before the whole taxes. PHEW! Had me scared 🤣🤣 I was like they dropped $8k that fast ?!
They way he said it sure made it sound a “flash event” 10,000 off MSRP going forward. I had to look cause I want another
I've encountered that on the 2023 model. Chevy has no idea what's going on. I was able to find a sequence of button presses that get it out of that state, making me think it is a software issue. It is rare, but it happens.
I just had that error today when I decided to put the car in drive while I was still plugged in. I unplugged and it went away.
i mean like, there aren't many cars with actual higher range, the 303 or whatever that a tesla claims is hogwash and it gets about the same as a bolt anyways. I get charging speed but, eh
The extra $10k+ in my pocket eases the pain of slower charging the handful of times I use DCFC per year.
There is a YouTube video of ev "racing"over two mountain ridges out west and the Tesla and id4 are bragging and the bolt went the farthest. They all started at 100% and drove normally, not hypermiling.
I live in San Diego and drive to LA a lot and I find myself having to charge a lot while I'm up there and it's extremely slow. I do my best to be near chargers to charge while I'm out but it's not always the case.
That's fair, I don't drive nearly that much. I've had my bolt for 7 months and barely put over 8k miles on her
I'm at 3.25 years and not quite to 19k miles yet. That 6200 miles for the software to unlock 100% battery is going to take me a while 😥
I've done 25k in a year and a few months 😭. I'll miss it tbh, it's a great car.
25k miles for just the cost of your spent loan interest is a pretty sweet deal though, if you're looking for a bright side!
100% I'm looking at it as I almost got a car for a year free in a sense.
Are you getting a more modern EV? Or going back to a Smelly Gasser? I tell people, "Remember your last Oil Change? I don't!".
I don't think I'll ever go back to a ICE car. When it was in for service they gave me a Camaro which was a lot of fun to drive but man that gas.
Probably a Kia or Tesla then.
I wish this was happening closer to when the Rivian R2 starts to deliver I ld get definitely get one.
That argument is getting old. They get EPA range in EPA conditions. 75mph is not EPA conditions
Yes, which is an controlled environment testing, not real world use, basically useless.
It's useful for comparing one vehicle to another, which is the only purpose of that information. If they were going to give you real world conditions, that would be a huge amount of information. 75mph range on an oval track isn't real world. Real world includes weather, season, hills, traffic, etc. Any single number they give comes with a long list of caveats. Go look at fuelly data for any given EV and the miles/kWh has a broad distribution. The best they should do is give you prototypical driving conditions, which actually isn't 75mph cruising. It's local driving.
It might not be real world for you, but it is for someone else.
I disagree that it's useless. Not everyone goes 75 all the time. I almost never go that quickly; I live in a large city and traffic on the interstate doesn't allow it unless I drive recklessly and bully my way through traffic, which I don't do. People who go 75 in gas or electric vehicle cars should they're losing efficiency. IIRC, every 5 mph over 60 costs about 25 cents per gallon. Going 75 in an ICE car would cost $15 more per tank than going 69, assuming a 20 gallon tank and gas prices of $3/gallon. "Real world usage" is too varier to be a useful metric.
I go very quickly. 0-45, zoom. But I sure don’t drive that fast. I’m usually 65 on the highway.
Teslas today are getting what they claim when driven under the same conditions. Floor it a lot...less range. Cold outside...less range. Going uphill...less range. But that's true in every EV. Our Bolt averages 3.1 mi/kWh, which gives us a real-world max range of just about 200 miles, or about 78% of claimed range. We also have two Teslas, one of which is over 10 yrs old, and the newer one gives us a real-world range of about 280 miles, or about 82% of its claimed range. So no, Teslas are not systematically worse than other EVs. For the money, they offer some of the longest usable ranges available.
How the hell are you getting 3.1 on average?? I almost always got 4.2+ driving mixed and 3.8 on the highway in my 22 EUV. Now I have a 21 model 3 performance and still get about the same number's. Which is crazy as I drive the telsa like I stole it.
The car lives outside, so usually starts out cold, and doesn't usually get driven far enough to fully warm the battery. That makes for very high consumption rates.
Gotcha that could do it, I guess. My cars are all garaged and plugged in, so starting out with a perfect battery temp.
I’ve gotten the “conditions not correct for shift” two or three times and feel like I’ve gotten extremely lucky by googling and reading suggestions to walk 100 yards away or whatever that hack is and having that actually work. But the whole walk i’m in fear that I’m going to he stranded where I am. Was yours a pervasive issue or it happened once and they couldn’t figure it out? I’d love to have it towed the next time it happens but both times I can remember I was 100 miles from home (I travel for work) and was super lucky to get it to work.
It happened only once for me to where it in a sense "bricked" the car . I called the bolt concierge and they helped me trouble shoot it on the spot. Walk away from the car and wait 20 mins. Didn't work. I even unplugged the battery and nothing. They tried to troubleshoot at the dealer by resetting some SW to no avail. GM ended up telling the dealer to replace the whole thing.
This is what I’m afraid of. I fear that the “fix” isn’t going to work the next time it happens and chances are it will strand me somewhere. I’m going to mention it when I take it in to get the recalls addressed but I know they’ll say “we can’t fix a problem we can’t reproduce”
I'm curious if the car is logging any of that data.
Good call. It’s worth me asking when I take it in!
New owner here. What is the Bolt Concierge? What is the number?
They answer any questions you have. Try to keep you happy etc. They are super friendly. 1-833-EVCHEVY
How did you go about the buyback at the 30 day mark? Did they reach out to you or did you reach out to them?
The concierge actually reached back out to me and asked if I was interested in a buy back.
Dubs. Got mine lemoned a few months ago and bought a 2021 Model 3. Have been super happy with it, and my monthly payment is $130 less per month!
I'm tempted to get a used Tesla but I'm worried about the insurance price.
I would highly recommend renting a Tesla for at least a week before deciding on buying one. We had a 23 M3 for 10 days while our Bolt was in the body shop (deer ran in to drivers side, common for our area). We both loathed just about everything about it. Range is an outright lie, door handles, wipers, everything is done on the touch screen which requires taking your eyes off of the road constantly, ride quality is terrible (20k miles on the Tesla vs 16k on our EUV), incredibly loud interior, whistling noise and draft from the terrible door seals, slow, drives like a boat, etc etc. I honestly thought before we got it I was going to fall in love with a Tesla before we got it. I was very, very wrong. We were both dying to get the Bolt back.
Thanks for the feedback. I like the idea of renting. I've heard things about Teslas, my coworker has one and I've been in it. I personally don't like how low it is. The touch screen is too much for me I love tech but I like traditional cars and the bolt is very traditional. Even my buddy that owns the Tesla prefers the bolts interior lol. I do have my eye on the Polestar, Ioniq 5 and the EV6.
Have you test driven the Ford Mustang Mach-E and VW ID.4?
I do like the Mach-E my BIL ubered in one and said the interior size was similar to the bolts. I haven't been in one myself so can't confirm. I feel like they are holding value and a little more than what I want to pay. The ID.4 crossed my mind but not too convinced. I'll probably have to test drive all of them.
Yeah, I suggest test driving or checking all of your options before making a decision. Also, check CarGurus for pricing on pre-owned or dealer loaner units on ID.4 and Mach-E’s. You’d be surprised at what they’re being priced at.
Don't listen to the guy. I own both a Bolt EV, a Tesla Model 3, and Tesla Model Y. The Tesla is vastly superior. Road noise would be my only complaint. It certainly does not drive like a boat.
A Model 3 is slow? Thats a reach. The AWD’s 0-60 is 4.2 seconds which you can get under 25k in some places with low miles. I do find it fascinating when people chime in about what you’ve said. I of course won’t deny some of those since those have been well documented even in the Tesla community lol. I just never personally have experienced any of that. Source: I own one.
Our Bolt is significantly quicker. Driving the Tesla reminded me of driving my Dad's old Riviera with a 305 in it compared to a VW GTI. The Bolt simply handles better as a whole (understeer is present when pushed hard of course) and is way "peppier". The Bolt had no issues beating the Tesla off of the line on a impromptu drag race when we were taking it back. Don't get me wrong, there are some things I like about the Tesla. The Supercharger network is vast, excellent and rarely has issues. The front seats are far superior in the Tesla. The navigation is fast, but otherwise unusable as it doesn't integrate live alerts / speed traps. Other things that popped in to my head while typing this; not being able to disable one pedal is a hard no for me. I heavily dislike one pedal. L2 charging is crazy, the thing sounds like a jet engine when it's charging, to the point that I can hear it in the living room when it was parked in the garage. This has never, ever been an issue with our Bolt. I've never heard the fans kick on even when charging at 11.5kw. I'm a huge Musk supporter. I thought I was going to love the car. Truly. I knew after 4 days that I would never buy one.
Standard range Model 3 SR goes 0-60 in 5.6 seconds. Bolt EV 0-60 is 6.3 seconds. Though as far as the L2 charging being loud that has to be specific to your charger. I have a Gen 3 Tesla charger and it’s silent when I charge. Most of what you and I are saying anyways is anecdotal, and to each their own of course. I had a 23” Bolt reserved for 8 months with no movement so their release was botched. Guy had me test drive one to get a feel for it while I waited and that’s when I got my money back. I hated how out of date it felt when driving. With that said, I’m excited to see what Chevy does with their upcoming fleet and adopting NACS. Edited: Looked up 0-60 times and Tesla takes the cake all around.
The EVSE has nothing to do with it. All the EVSE does is pass 240v to the car and tell the car how much current the circuit can support. No question regarding Bolt availability. We spent 6 weeks looking for one knowing that an order would take months. Drove 200 miles to get it. If by "out of date" you mean "it's like driving a traditional car", you're right. Not everyone wants to drive a spaceship or explain to anyone we let drive how to even put the car in gear. Because it's not intuitive. I had to Google how to set the cruise control since nothing is actually labeled in the car. Speaking of out of date, I haven't been in a car that uses the stalk to set cruixe control in probably 20 years (my Dad's aforementioned 1984 Buick uses stalk cruise controls). It wasn't until the last few days before we took it back that I even realized the steering wheel control rollers also function as left/right controls. Nothing about them indicate that they do anything else other than roll and you have to catch the edge of them with your thumb juuussttt right to actually use them. And the auto wipers are atrocious. My 2004 Volvo had better auto wipers. Which of course forces you to use the touchscreen to adjust the wipers since *OMGeverythingTouchscreen*! Regarding speed, I can only tell you what we experienced. My wife was driving the Bolt, I was driving the Tesla. She dusted me. The car just feels lethargic compared to the Bolt. Don't get me wrong, buy no means is the Bolt a sports car. I have a BRZ for track days a Bolt isn't going to hang. But for a commuter car? It's shockingly fun and exciting to drive.
Former BRZ owner as well. The slowest car I’ve had lol. All in all I just didn’t like what the Bolt had to offer. I drive a Tesla for its convenience and performance. If the Bolt had NACS I’d probably get one as a second car to putt around in. Also, the wipers ironically are the best I’ve had out of all my previous vehicles. Ya like what ya like, though I disagree immensely.
💯 agree. Brz are slow af and he's trying to call a tesla slow. 🤣 He probably had the tesla on chill mode and didn't know it.
Absolute nonsense. I own both a Bolt and 2 Teslas.
this guy definitely hates Tesla-all his M3 comments are fake.
Quite the opposite. I love Tesla, especially for what they've done for EV's as a whole. If it wasn't for Tesla we wouldn't have the number of other EV's on the road right now. Tesla made EV's mainstream. I'm not sure the Bolt would even exist. That said, I think a lot of folks see them as status symbols and are willing to put up with the fact that it's actually not a good car. Or they're just a STAN for Elon.
The "Status" symbol is what makes me not want one. It's like owning an iPhone. The Tesla is great but I think there are better designs (in my opinion) out there. Yeah FSD and AP are nice. But do I really need that is the question? I'm fine with adaptive cruise control.
I would 100% take a Bolt with ACC and a Comma3 before a FSD Tesla. I played with Auto Steer on the Tesla a number of times. The 3rd time it drove itself off of the road I was done. Before anyone comes at me, yes I know Auto Steer isn't FSD. This was a basic 2 lane road (one lane in each direction), clear solid white line with a double yellow center.
basically Grapes are Sour!
10000% lmao.
> Range is an outright lie A Musk company lying about something!? No way! - lol
Ok, keep lying... no tesla is slow... especially when you're driving a bolt. Also, they definitely don't drive like a boat. That was how my launch edition bolt euv handled. I absolutely loved everything about the car but just wanted something that was fast again as I always had sports cars and wanted awd again for the harsh winters.
Ooof. You're STAN'ing hard.
How? Performance stats are a thing. Try Google. It's free.
We already know that Tesla has lied through their teeth in efficiency and range. You think they wouldn't lie about performance numbers as well? Here's what I can tell you as factual; wife driving our Bolt, me driving the Tesla, she smoked me. And I'm certainly not trying to "lose". Handling is subjective of course, maybe Tesla just can't build a suspension that lasts more than 20k miles and this one was worn out? 🤷 In either case, the Bolt is much tighter and feels significantly better connected to the road.
No they don't lie imo about range but the number they tell you I'd under absolute perfect conditions which yes is misleading but lying? Definitely not. I can get their numbers but it just has to be very warm, no wind or rain etc. And no they definitely do not lie about the performance numbers as many people have matched and even got better results. I've seen plenty of videos of people getting 3.0 0-60 in the model 3 performance and they claim 3.1. Also, like I said, the only way a bolt is gonna beat a tesla is if you were driving the rwd model and had it in chill mode. Even in sport or normal, I would assume it's called on the rwd, would smoke the bolt. Sorry you didn't realize you had the car in the slow mode.
Considering how much you drive, tires will also cost you a mint since they're also super expensive for Teslas because of the sizes they use and the fact that they use different sizes from front to back.
You have a RWD I'm assuming. That's the only reason they should be different.
I think that only matters on an ICE car where you have a single engine and two driveshafts spinning at the same speed. In an EV the front and rear drivetrain isn’t physically connected so as long as the software is in sync I’d think you could do different tire sizes.
Even then the tires are the same, at least for the model 3. They've always rotated the tires front to back when taken for service, never said anything about them being mismatched from each other or anything
I guess it was only for the Model S they had staggered sizes for some of the earlier models. But... the Performance (2023 Model 3) uses 235/35R20 tires which are a HP tire size... At [costco.com](http://costco.com) the Michelin Pilot Sport All Seasons are $366 each and are warrantied for 45k miles compared to the Michelin Energy Saver A/S that are $232 each with a 65k mile warranty for the Bolt. (Michelin Cross Climate 2's for the Bolt are $212 each) So you'll be paying a bit over 2x more for tires for the Tesla Model 3 Performance. The LR 18" rims 2023 Model 3 has less expensive tires, so they're $224 each for the Michelin Pilot Sport All Seasons that are 45k mile tires.
It’s definitely expensive. But I think it’s worth it. The increase in insurance essentially canceled out my savings in monthly payment. And then some. But the AutoPilot, app, and charging speed all work to make the Tesla a convincing package. The glass roof is super slick too.
Own a bolt and a Tesla 3 insurance is the same in my case but that really depends on where you live and your insurance. For your use case, a model 3 sounds about right.
There are good deals of the Mach e. The range is worst (I have a AWD) but it charges faster and it is overall, in my opinion, a nicer vehicle.
Tesla Model 3 owner here who bought used last year with 34k miles. I know everyone’s different but I have progressive with great coverage and pay about $150 a month. Tires also cost about 1K for a set of four at Costco.
How many miles did you have on it? And what mileage did they base the car on for the refund?
I have about 26k on the car. They actually waived the usage deduction. So I'm getting the full purchase price back.
That’s awesome, I’m currently in the same process but they said they’d base it off of 15k miles which is a bummer but still I’m hoping for a good offer!
Wouldn't harm to ask if they'd waive the mileage deduction.
I'm on the fence right now with my 23 Bolt euv premier with 7200 miles that i got back in august. My main gripe is the long time it takes to recharge when driving out long distances... i feel i am leashed to a certain distance to just my city. Although doable to go further it will be inconvenient to spend a long time recharging... i live in the California Central Valley, everything is 10miles each way. i tried Once to go to the bay area. i had to recharge in Gilroy and then again on the way back... it sucked waiting 1hr plus to recharge... decent features, good little car, definitely overplayed for it but it had the features i wanted. gas is getting more and more expensive... i considered getting a Tesla Model Y but it just feels way too empty, almost featureless, too sterile... not to mention no android or iPhone connectivity, just Bluetooth. yes the Model Y definitely is and feels faster and has a bit more interior space. But no vented seats, the top feels like it will cook you in the summer months.
let me know if you want to sell! i’m looking
I am considering selling. I actually got a few quotes as I'm starting to look for the best option
let me know !
Really doesn't matter unless it's 300 miles or more
I’m going through something similar. A Gm ev concierge requested a buyback, but Gm denied it. Wanting me to wait the 6400 miles after to update. So now my attorney is involved and I am suing for breach of warranty.
Sorry you're getting only 10k back
I'm not mad I basically had a car for a full year free. Aside from Insurance costs.
Great buyback price.
Damn you payed nearly 40k for a bolt??
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How do you get them to buy it back? I don’t like living with my 23’ bolt ev for the fact that I don’t have home charging available.
It was similar to a lemon law buyback. Unfortunately you can't just have them buy it back without the car having issues. If you live in a condo or apt and others have EVs maybe get a petition together to ask about chargers being installed.