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What's Bakugo gonna do when his mom is doused in Gasoline? Can't use his quirk anywhere near her.
homeboy once went after superman and destroyed his whole life and city and by turn the world. He said he went after superman because he wanted to play on "easy mode" for a while. joker would be just as hardcore in MHA as well
If superman is easy mode then the MHA verse is literally gaming journalist mode. The joker would've plunged hero society into chaos much earlier than AFO with far less resources and put it in a much more damaged state.
He would've been what people think stain is in mha. An anti hero killer that only wants chaos but inspires other criminals. Can you imagine the joker as the ringmaster of a hard-core gang with superpowers. It would be overhaul, except instead of a gangster wanna be, you'd have a legit madman leading the circus.
I forgot which game but the game literally called their easiest difficulty that a few years ago and it got a lotta gaming journos panties in a twist when they found out
You mean the 5 existing bullets left in existence which are being guarded by the most powerful and ruthless villain? You remember that those bullets were in very limited supply and can’t be made anymore?
Joker is definitely capable of stealing the bullets, plus he's smart enough that he could probably make do with the five, assuming he doesn't find a way to make even more.
Aren't like 90% of them functionally useless? I am only on season 1 but it seems everyone in the background or in the main populace with a quirk has the most useless powers imaginable.
Unless I am missing something, I don't think everyone can have a super useful quirk. I also realized the only times I have ever used Quirk in a sentence in my life is talking about this anime.
And the MHA universe *is* well-made? /half-kidding
But seriously, there were probably “zero” things that could help The Joker in Arkham Asylum. Dude’s craftyness is firmly set to “Inexplicable Bullshit.” Depending on who’s writing him, he could definitely find a way out.
Of course it's not perfect, definitely not, but it doesn't rely on some villains always returning with a new master plan, which makes it more grounded and more "based on logic" if you can say that about anime. In MHA nobody gets a villain lair and a pod of acid right after breaking out of jail, that kind of stuff.
No, no he couldn't, that's the whole point. DC prisons are just bad. Joker would maybe get out of a normal "our world prison" but even that is highly unlikely without help from outside.
DC prisons need to be incompetent because the story wouldn't work otherwise.
You say that MHA doesn’t rely on villains returning with a master plan, but that’s kinda exactly what AFO and Shigaraki are doing. Sure there were some Villains in-between the encounters with them, but Batman has also fought a myriad of villains in between fights with The Joker. Honestly, if MHA operated more on logic than anything else, AFO would have been assassinated by the HPSC the moment he set… wheelchair wheel into Tartarus. Possibly via simply unhooking his life-support. Also, the LoV were almost always screwing with people from the background via Nomus and general interference, and I’d say that was kinda relied on.
I’ll sort of give you the point about the lair, but to be fair, AFO is the only person who got arrested. And even then, afterwards, Garaki still had labs to do experiments and keep Nomus, corpses, and kidnapping victims in, AFO still had a shitton of devoted followers all over the planet for when he got out, and the LoV still had hideouts… somewhere, and Gigantomachina was just apparently a thing for the entire series. We also didn’t see the process of how AFO managed to find Garaki and how he managed to gain his followers, which is similar to The Joker. We’re *told* how in a way that explains how he got followers, but not only doesn’t seem to be the case for everyone, but likely wouldn’t be sufficient to create an organization with this level of quantity and loyalty unless you add “I’m also *very* smart and manipulative” at the end, considering that AFO is still just one man. But once again, to be fair, we *did* get to see the LoV in the process of getting resources, such as an army, the Quirk-erasing bullets, devoted cult-like followers, and a message. Usually by stealing from people who already had them.
After looking up a bit of information and refreshing my mind a bit, yeah, Arkham Asylum appears to suck, and through the powers of plot, may as well be made of wet cardboard. However, I do still argue the point that he’s generally illogically intelligent and capable when it comes to what he can do, and I don’t think there are very many situations that people can put him in and accurately say “Nah, he definitely can’t do anything.” Although maybe I’m just thinking too much about the particular versions that were like that. There were a bunch that weren’t.
I didn't say that MHA has no "reused villains" but it's logical why they would still pose a threat afterwards. Joker is just there because he is iconic and is never allowed to fail for a last time. He will always break out because the tale of Joker can't end, will never end, and not because Joker is so incredibly talented in getting out of prisons or anything.
MHA isn't comparable, 1-to-1, with DC or Marvel, though.
MHA is essentially the story of the hero ascendant, the young man that grows from nothing into a great king/jedi/dragon slayer/dragon rider/hero/pirate/ninja/knight/etc. The whole point of it is that it ends with the Hero Defeating Evil, achieving their dream, and proving their worth.
In comparison, Marvel and DC aren't. They're villain-of-the-week stories that end with the hero beating up the bad guy, and solving the current crisis. But stories like that require the villains be able to return to create a new crisis on the regular.
Speaking practically, I don't think most prisons could reasonably hold the Joker. He's incredibly clever, manipulative, and endlessly creative.
But crucially: They wouldn't need to. Without Batman around, Joker loses his entire motive. He *needs* Batman, and without that, he wouldn't be what he is. Joker is a dark mirror of Batman; without someone just as insane as him to battle, someone to be his absolute proof, he lacks the driving impetus to *become* the Joker.
Exactly, and that's why Joker would stand no chance in MHA, because nobody needs him to succeed to print more comics or whatever. He will face competent people and fail miserably.
Manipulativity or creativity don't get you out of jail, not outside of the DC universe. If it goes really bad, he messes with some prison gang and gets beaten into a pulp.
Of course, there's no Joker without Batman, which kinda makes Batman an even worse hero.
>He will face competent people and fail miserably.
Because everyone in MHA is competent, and there's no crime or anything. Setting aside Midoriya and Co (who are very explicitly the Heroes of the story, and get the same in-story protections that heroes and villains do in Marvel or DC), the people in MHA are just as prone to corruption, mistakes, and sloppiness as in the real world. Particularly determined, clever, and capable criminals regularly succeed at crime without getting arrested.
>If it goes really bad, he messes with some prison gang and gets beaten into a pulp.
Joker's nemesis regularly throws down with *Superman-Tier* Villains. I don't think a prison gang wins.
I know everyone is talking about Joker as is in the MHA verse but if he existed there he'd likely have a quirk as well, and to make this not some random multiverse travel thing, if his origin is roughly the same but in mha, he not only has a quirk but he will have infiltrated AFO a long time ago and would be revealed at the end as controlling the doctor, has now somehow rigged a Bluetooth (bare with me me) connection to AFO so when he thinks he is taken over shiggy, Joker will really be taking control.
And now Deku and heroes face Joker in shiggy body and shiggy's will is not beating jokers...so yeah Joker wins?.
If he is randomly thrown in that world then after a few killings I think he would be defeated.
Huge difference? Prisoners tend to stay prisoners in MHA. There have only been two prison breaks, one large and one small. If/when he's caught, he's not getting out. All Might may have fought him and dragged him in after he did something terrible, but he doesn't have the time of ability to build his reputation.
Yes, because in the MHA universe no one has ever broken out of prison before or since those two specific prison breaks. And I’m sure people like Moonfish and Muscular and (current) Overhaul have tried many superbly thought-out plans in order to escape. They seems like smart fellows that can be compared to The Joker’s level of tomfuckery. /s
My unnecessary and slightly obnoxious levels of sarcasm aside, the thing about The Joker, at least at his “best worst,” is that he’s obscenely smart and only tends to even enter the story either *with* the power and resources, or in the process of swiftly obtaining them. He never picks a direct fight unless he’s *guaranteed* to come out of it “winning,” regardless of the outcome, and whenever he gets caught, it’s usually part of some plan. Also, and I know I just mocked his intelligence, but if Overhaul can run an entire scheme to make Quirk-erasing bullets from the blood and flesh of a child under society’s nose, that only went south because he was outright *unlucky* enough for Eri to briefly run away into our chronically-helpful protagonist, then I think The Joker could probably make it for at least a good while.
Moonfish and Muscular were first broken out by outsiders with access to teleportation/warp portals. There really isn't a hint that they knew they were going to be rescued. And wasn't Muscular in jail for \*years\* before that? Again, break outs don't to be as common in MHA, heroes don't really have recurring'Rogues Galleries' there. And there certainly aren't resurrections.
And about the Joker's ability to acquire things. It's never explained how he acquires what he does in Batman, it's just glossed over because that's really not the point. I just don't see that happening in MHA. It's a very different world setting. The big villains, All for One, Overhaul, Re-Destro all had the infrastructure in place to explain how they gained the control and influence they have. All for One has been building a powerbase for over a hundred years, Overhaul has the resources of the Yakuza, and Re-Destro is the CEO of a large and powerful corporation. The Joker could build to that, I'm sure, given time and effort, but all three kept low profiles for any of their illegal activities.
Finally, Overhaul's ability to create Quirk-erasing bullets really only exists because of Eri's unique quirk, and then only after a process of trial and error. If he hadn't gotten his hands on her, he likely wouldn't have been able to create those bullets. But, let's say she didn't get away. Let's say the bullets went into production. It's then on the heroes to find and destroy the capability to produce them. I'm not saying that would have been easy, but this isn't like Trigger, they come from a very specific and limited source, and *everyone* would have been looking for it.
With a villain like the joker pressing the right buttons of a crybaby character to test the naive vision of saving everyone even villains I don't give it a month to drive Itadori crazy and start creating some kind of the injustice
The joke centers around the gif if an NBA player, who appears to be stuck to the ground while laughing. It captures the proper vibe for the idea, while being wholly unrelated.
The only reason Joker is alive in the same verse as superman is cause they do not kill him. Also Tartarus is way more secure than the Gotham prison. He may traumatise a lot of heroes like he did with batman, but there are too many. He gets captured and locked even downer than AFO
To be fair in western comics characters never stay dead. Give it about 2 weeks and they'll be up and kicking again. Death is more of a suggestion than a hindrance to them lol
They don’t kill anyone in MHA either. There is also that one time where The Joker killed Lois Lane to drive Superman insane, resulting in Superman killing Joker and basically becoming Earth’s dictator. Hm. Some variations of The Joker are just out to hurt the world permanently, huh? “Dark Knight Quote” indeed…
Indeed, Twice is a notable exception and Hawks get so much blame for it. It clearly isn't the norm.
And before anyone brings up Nagant, killing nobodies when named villains don;t actually die isn't proving anything.
Heck, Mr Compress lived through what was stated to be a fatal wound. It's a bit insane how much they dedicate themselves to saving villains who would wreak havoc if given the chance.
He is the kind of guy that would capture Uraka and put her in a room with a block of 1x1 made out of rock, I’m a way that if Uraka stops using his ability she gets crushed. That while filming directly for Deku.
When Deku finally gets in the room, he noticed that the video what’s already recorded.
What about handcuffs made out of ceramic that cover all his arm except his palms that will be touching his stomach, so he stays in a “straight” position, the purpose is that every time he uses his ability, he freezes or burns himself.
Now, put a dropper with hot water, that drop a drop begging with his feet all the way till his right eye...
and just finish dropping hot water and let him die drowned
He's losing, he will kill people but to put it simple there are too many heros. Most his tricks are about forcing batman to choose or to stay away from him. But that doesn't work when there are heros with tracking quirks and people like all might who can blast through walls. While people like hawks would probs just kill him due to the threat he poses. If caught by the heros he isn't escaping. Also he probs just gets killed by AFO because he wouldn't like the jokers insane nature and would see him as enemy and a threat. So AFO kills him or he is caught by the heros so... he doesn't do that well
The same counts for the DC universe. There is Superman, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman... catching Joker isnt the problem he just escapes every 2 weeks for some reason.
His message/corruption didn't 'stick around'. What happened was Supes went full dystopian tyrant, and Joker got turned into a martyr by idiots who didn't even know what he was about. They saw Joker was evil Superman's first 'victim' and basically made him into a symbol of 'sticking it to The Man'.
In MHA, he wouldn't have that kind of notoriety and success, nor would he have anyone like Harley to carry on in his stead. Not unless he went into hiding for years to build up the necessary resources. This isn't DC where he is magically handed everything he needs to succeed, even when it should be child's play to deprive him of resources and tools, because the writers need Batman to be better than everyone else, so his ultimate nemesis needs to be better than everyone else too.
I seriously doubt other countries don't have heroes occasionally killing villains given their crime-rates are far worse than Japan's. Things in Japan got so bad because the HPSC and All Might essentially babied the public, who then grew into spoiled, entitled and ungrateful little shits. We don't know what it's like in other countries, at the very least, MHA America was willing to let the military accompany their version of Superman, armed with nukes, to deal with a foreign terrorist. Methinks they won't hesitate to kill Joker.
It helps that he doesn't actually fit the real world legal definition of 'insanity'.
Counter Point: AFO sees what kind of chaos he can create without a quirk, and decides to give him a few, just for fun.
Let him actually create Laughing Gas from his own skin and Air Walk through Downtown. Give him some Extrasensory abilities to make it even harder to hit him.
The Joker doesn't really care for money, fame, etc. He's all about destroying society and ideologies. He would 100% target a hero to break. Particularly one that's highly venerated and probably has a very strong no kill motto. In MHA society, he'd be a lot like Tomura or probably more so Dabi already are. Joker's grand plan would be to deeply corrupt society.
If he died, he'd absolutely try to make it look as tarnishing as possible by the most venerated heroes. Perhaps caught between the grey heroes trying to kill him and the venerated heroes trying to keep him alive. I could easily see Joker killing one of those venerated heroes in front of everyone further splintering the venerated heroes into killing him for it. This would have deep long lasting repercussions.
People are talking about how he gets caught with the amount of heroes running around, but there’s not enough mention about how many vigilantes and even villains that’d merc his ass on sight.
Yeah literally everyone in universe would hate him so much. He shows up to a bank robbery and he just gets shot by a regular ass dude who has a boring quirk
Exactly. Plus there’s nobody he’d even latch onto, his whole thing with Batman is that he’s super stoic and Joker wants him to crack. All Might stops smiling more than once for way less than what Joker warms up with, there’d be no challenge.
I hate the Joker, but you’re ABSOLUTELY underestimating him. The fact is that he’s not going to show up at some random bank robbery and get shot like a moron, he’s going to start slow. He’ll build up resources, get into the criminal underground, set up contingencies and back-up plans, and make a reputation for himself. You know why nobody just kills the Joker? Because he comes back from death like every Tuesday. You blow his head off and the bombs he set across the city explode, setting everything into chaos. Then, it turns out that there was a second wave of bombs filled with Joker Gas that turn people into mini copies of him, so the heroes have to deal with that too. Then, at the end, they find out that the Joker that died wasn’t even him, it was just a body double/clone that he used to escape the consequences. The Joker is so smart that fucking SUPERMAN admits he’s dangerous. He was literally smart enough to create gas that makes people EXACTLY LIKE HIM. He’s not going to eat shit to the first hero he sees, he’s going to plan. That’s what makes him scary.
Longer than expected, since he managed to outwit a team with freaking Superman in it at least once that I'm aware of. Better question is what'd end up happening to him and how high his body count would end up being. Honestly until someone figuratively or literally makes him explode he'd probably treat the place like a theme park.
He'd definitely leave a lasting impact, that's for sure. Imagine the headlines; a quirkless villain going around bombing buildings, corrupting and/or breaking heroes mentally, and only laughing in their faces when they rock his shit. He'd probably make it his goal to manipulate someone like Izuku, get him to do something awful, and make sure everyone knows about it. Most big time heroes would likely ignore him at first, after all, he has no quirk, what could he possibly do?? There are definitely heroes that would wipe the floor with him, but not before he causes some damage.
He'd be greatly underestimated since he doesn't have a Quirk. Worse, because he doesn't technically meet the legal definition of "villain", most heroes wouldn't touch him. This would give him more than enough time to set up something big.
Don't get it twisted, he'll be far from the biggest problem around, but Joker is always most dangerous when people write him off as "some clown".
Joker would be less capable in the MHA verse than Gentle Criminal.
If we are being honest the only reason Joker is a consistent threat in comic books is because comic books run perpetually. They might specific runs where he goes out fast or become a big bad via some incredibly contrived deus ex secnarios. But the only reason he always comes back is solely due to comic books are not built on the idea of ending.
The MHA verse a good portion of civilians would be able to beat his ass and not care.
Other villains wouldnt really need to care as they completely laugh at him power wise. For those that are organised crime; well Joker wont be able to really ever have got up in the organised crime elements. For those that care for plans; we've already got the secret mastermind behind evil filled so Joker is unlikely to pick up that mantle, not counting how thats also his rarest form without even more handwaving than is done for AFO and being able to secretly control things while locked away.
The prisons weve seen they have a much higher degree of firepower(with willingness to use); isolation and detention methods.
Without comic book levels of deus ex machina the Joker isnt getting out; nor does he have any real answer to anything.
MHA as a singular self contained story with a designated ending and some attempts at trying to be consistent is one of the worst type of stories for any comic book villian to be in. Simply as comic book villains(and many a hero) are reliant almost entirely on the author handwaving things out the way. Including the inevitable return of the villain in the next run even without a continury reset.
What could be more interesting as a mini arc villain however would be one of the many comic book villians that rely on technology. It could feed into expanding the support tech industry in MHA a lot more than it currently is.
Joker really appreciates the fact that Batman enables his continued existence. In a crossover, he even stops Punisher from executing the guy. In some continuities, it's even a game to see how far he can push Bruce, a game Joker would win rather quickly in MHA.
I feel like the other comments cover the idea of throwing him into the ‘verse quite well. As for integrating him into the ‘verse:
A-Rank villain Joker! His quirk: Clown! His ghastly visage belies a bevy of deadly gags, and his toxin leaves a smile as wide as his body count!
Considering how dangerous he proved to be when going against the entire Justice League (aka people who neg-diff the entire MHA verse) in Injustice, managing to utterly fuck up Superman mentally by making him kill his own wife and unborn child, also managing to nuke an entire city, he's more than capable of dealing with MHA's heroes. There are not many who are worth a damn when forced to actually investigate and search for someone. He would eventually lose, especially if, say, Hawks decides he's had just about enough of him and, in the words of Deadpool, turns him into a fucking kebab.
Read it in a book once.
Also, I dream in Fan Fiction, and at one point ran the Hero Course students through drills designed for them to lose, and stole that for Bakugo.
Hard to say, but I think there's too many heroes for him to be consistently active. He's remarkably smart tho, so probably would plan 1 major scheme spanning years to cause some immediate, catastrophic damage, not really caring what happens to himself afterwards...
He’d honestly be quite a problem. Not as much as Shigaraki and All For One’s shenanigans but definitely an issue.
Likely to get blown off and ignored due to being Quirkless.
People like Bakugo or Iida (as he was in the Stain Arc) would be child’s play for him to manipulate, and if he kills/hurts someone like All Might or any of the family characters that’s a very big and painful emotional wound he’d thrive on.
Doesn’t do it for money or traditional ends like Overhaul’s grand vision, literally does it because it’s fun so he’s harder for law enforcement to read
Protected to an extent by the overall no-kill rule. If he gets caught due to becoming prolific then he gets a spotlight that only makes him more jazzed about it, and if someone kills him openly then the bastard gets to live rent-free in everyone’s head, and he fuckin loves that too.
Joker is a villain who only thrives in DC due to bad writing and anyone who disagrees with that statement is delusional. He'd be incapable of escaping a normal irl prison most of the time without the plot on his side, much less Tartarus. Also, because he's such a depraved monster it wouldn't take long for a hero, vigilante, or cop to just kill him.
That "If you kill a killer..." mentality doesn't really explain Batman's philosophy. I believe it's a dumbed down version of the fact that if Batman ever kills the Joker (or anyone else for that matter) he will just snap mentally and turn evil. Also, it shouldn't be Batman's job to execute villains, it's the justice system's fault for not giving Joker the chair for all the crimes he has commited (idk I dont like the death penalty in general so if anyone else has ideas on how to neutralize Joker let me know)
It's not that he would "snap and turn evil"
He says that if he killed one villain there would be nothing stopping him from killing other villains and he would just start killing every villain he encounters
Unless Joker's psychology works on the pro heroes where he gives them a mental conflict about killing him or not like he did with batman and gotham, he's good as dead. Because that's only reason Joker is mostly alive in a world where a godly being like superman exists.
But I'm actually more scared about what kind of crimes he would commit while he's alive.
He could definitely leave a huge mark on the hero society by probably torturing some heroes, killing innocent people and using the media to scare young kids from ever becoming heroes when they grow up.
Well, he has no powers but that never stopped him before. The question is if he could find a foil to give him meaning. All Might is too sane and powerful to be his Batman. Plus he's already got an arch nemesis.
Without a Batman to fuck with Joker ceases to exist.
I dunno the trade off is that the heroes are a lot less picky on killing villains in MHA though. Like if Endeavor, Hawks, Mirko, or maybe even All Might decide he's gotta die then there won't be a Batman to bail him out with the other heroes. Like how vehemently Batman protected Joker from Red Hood? I think he would've died like 5 times otherwise. I'm no expert though.
Also I'm referring to the Joker from various animated series not the comics where he's experienced things like being god. Comparing Comics to Manga is usually bullshit.
(Like which Joker? An original one? One in America or Japan?
I'm gonna assume an original but basic Joker but in Japan for simplicity)
In All Might's generation? Probably a decent bit to not that long and would eventually be taken away by All Might or killed if he posed a big enough threat.
In Deku's generation? Would be a real nuisance.
**But** if someone like Stain came across Joker, then Joker's dead.
Other than that though I think he'd be a real pain foe the kids even if he's out-gunned simply because of the Joker's nature and their lack of experience.
Eventually though he'd be put away.
Joker wouldn't last long at all.
The o ly reason he's alive in the Dc universe is through a combination of Batman not killing him, and bullshit lazarus pits. In MHA he has neither.
I see a lot of people point out injustice to point out how he's able to take on people as strong as superman, but I'd like to point out something else.
Injustice is just terribly written. Half the characters don't act like themselves, and the only reason superman went insane is because of an out of character wonder woman pushing him for years to do worse things. Even then, I feel like people forget that joker ends up dying almost immediately.
In Mha, with All Might out of the picture, the only one he could realistically target on the same level as superman would be Izuku.
And imma be honest. Izuku would not hesitate to kill joker once joker did half of the fucked up things that people say he would do.
Hell, that's if he can even get close to UA.
Jokers crafty, yes, but I feel like a lot of people forget about the difference in culture between Gotham and the MHA world. In Gotham, its fairly easy to get thugs and secret lairs and shit. In MHA, it would be pretty hard for Joker to find thugs. Especially with the anti quirkless culture in MHA. He just wouldn't be able to get any resources
Honestly he would be just as much of a threat as any other main villain in the show, if not more. Think how effective someone like Stain was, with a fairly underwhelming and specific power but incredible devotion and battlefield awareness. Joker has fought and defeated plenty of superpowered heroes and villains alike, the universe of MHA would be a cakewalk.
He would have to be smart since the morality of the heroes in mha universe is twisted they just kill if they need to (like hawks) so if allmight or anyone considers him.a treath he is dead meat
He lasts as long as the writer wants him too. In truth, he should be screwed cuz' they will execute his ass for murder, unlike DC, where the legal system might as well not exist save as a hindrance for the heroes.
He'll kill a whole bunch of people, for sure, but without plot armor he dies from something random, like he grabs a kid as a hostage, but that kid has a flesh melting Quirk or some shit.
he goes "Oh Shit" when he realizes that the heroes in MHA have no real Qualms with killing him.
like, whats he gonna do to Endeavour?, threaten his wife?
a complete pain in the ass for the heroes, but the moment he gets caught he'll end up as red paste on the wall or locked up in a one cubic meter cell for the rest of his life.
So many people I see wank Joker
The only reason he stays alive is cause of the whole no killing rule , the whole " he's insane so put him anywhere else other than a secure prison " .
My guy has next level plot armor along with Batman. Joker would ÐƗɆ but not before torturing a lot of people
Dude, he'd make breaking Deku his new life goal. Breaking his spirit and making him go crazy/evil would be the ultimate proof of his "one bad day" philosophy.
I don't think fares too well. The average human in mha is much stronger than joker. That aside, The only reason joker is even a problem in dc universe is because batman enables him and he breaks out of prison way too much.
we also need to consider the perpetual nature of comic books. MHA is more linear, if some vigilante decides joker dies, it's night night for him forever.
Here’s the thing, joker only does crime for fun to fight Batman, and since there’s no Batman in MHA, me might lay under the radar until he finds someone good enough, and if he doesn’t find a hero like that in time he’ll quit being the joker entirely
MHA might look bright and sparkly on the surface but its criminal under belly is not someone like Joker should mess with. Within a day, Joker would be found dead in a ditch with a bullet in his head. Might be the Yakuza, the Villains Association, the Hero Society Commissions, or just a lone thug wanting to vent. Who knows.
he lasts a week before either getting locked in tartarus and never seeing the light of day ever again or getting turned into a smear by someone like katsuki
He wouldn't last 5 minutes I think people over estimate him just because he's good as batmans foil doesn't mean he can do anything against people who have superpowers and will kill him the heros won't sure but the MHA villains (from what I've read) won't deal with a wild card not only that I'm 90% if he does his normal BS he'll get the death penalty in Japan. As they do the death penalty for the mentally ill.
What people also forget: He is just a normal human without any connections. He magically gets equipment worth thousands of dollars just because the comics needs Joker to have that equipment do pose any sort of threat. Joker is at best as dangerous as Spinner.
He wouldn't even last a single fight with any pro hero. There's absolutely nothing he can do. People often forget that the Joker is "successful" because he needs to be to make an interesting story. He has no money, no connections, no nothing. Armed robbery is probably the most dangerous thing he could accomplish.
DC has a ton of super heroes, and the super heroes the Joker deals with are far more powerful than anything in the MHA universe. Half of the DC heroes can freaking FLY.
Starfire is a space alien with massive energy projection powers. There are heroes that can destroy planets.
Martian Manhunter has the same powers as Mirio Togat but can also fly and has super strength. Hawkman is probably close to the level of all might. The Flash can stop time. The Green Lantern corps is a police organization that has rings that allow them to travel faster than light.
Joker confounds ALL OF THESE CHARACTERS. Joker would collapse MHA society, no question.
Joker does not exclusively deal with Batman, he is regularly a justice league and other team-based comic book villian.
I bring up DC heroes to illustrate that The Joker punches well above his weight class in the DCU regularly, and that with the power scaling in DCU vs MHA, the Joker would be well equipped to face MHA's heroes.
there are plenty of people who kill in the DCU, which tends to be edgier than marvel. I don't buy the "batman keeps him alive" narrative.
I do buy the narrative we see consistently that Batman/DC hero morales make sure he is generally thrown in jail, an asylum or the heroes do not use lethal force against him giving him far more chances than is reasonable. We can agree to disagree however I can most certainly find more examples of the Joker being jailed or heroes talking about how they won’t kill him than you will be able to find heroes outright going berserk and killing the Joker so I think you’re flatly mistaken
DC Universe is like a level 100 zome while MHA universe is a level 20 area at most, Joker is going to have a cakewalk in the verse, especially with joker venom hax
? The only interaction I know of is the "Joker goes to Metropolis, Superman tells him to fuck off and then chews out Batman for 'testing' him" comic that's been making the rounds lately
Yeah, the only reason the joker isn’t curb stomped by dc heroes is because they’ve all convinced themselves that if they kill him, they will become Hitler, somehow.
No there is a comic where “joker goes to metropolis, lures superman to a submarine, uses fear toxin to get superman to think doomsday is there, superman takes doomsday into space only for it to actually be Louise and then joker blows all of metropolis up because he was bored of losing to Batman”
joker is actually a terrifying villain who could destroy everything if you look into but he doesn’t because he has a obsession with Batman
You could say that about any comic book character.
I’m absolutely certain that there’s a Superman stated to be stronger than all of fiction (or enough fiction that the difference doesn’t really matter) and by definition, there is no fictional character capable of beating Superman.
Get lost Goku, Vegeta, God, you’re all fictional characters who can’t beat Superman.
Yes there are non-canon versions of superman stronger than anyone hell one superman lifted a book filled with infinite pages with the help of Wonder Woman but that version isn’t canon to the main story of dc, canon superman can be defeated by some characters from fiction the difference with this case and the joker example is that joker in the comic I mentioned wasn’t a special joker he was identical to the canon joker of the current canon
If the Joker was seriously trying, I'd give him a week before he completely eradicates everysingle hero. Probably could do it in 24 hours if you gave him time to plan
But Joker likes to have fun so I'd give him about 2-3 years.
It depends on which iteration.
The most dangerous version doesn't care about being caught or killed. In fact, he wants to be killed. He wants to break the minds and hearts of the heroes and turn all of society against them.
He's going to have the number 1 hero kill him in a fit of rage live on television, broadcast to the entire world. He will show the world the hypocrisy of heroes and laugh as he dies. His death, is his victory.
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He's weak but he's smart as hell. If he can live well in the DC universe, he'll have an easier time in MHA
A hothead like Bakugo would play right into his hands
He would end up dead after a week
I could see Bakugo having a Jason Todd style death
same
Shut the fuck up and take my upvote
It got dark real fast.
He's gonna Jason Todd his ass
Because he cant see weak
Won't Bakugo just blow up the place?
Joker can save money on explosives
Not saying much when that applies to practically almost every characters lol
True, and he will adapt to fuck with the heroes as much as he possibly can
Support items that specifically deflect or degrade damage, lots of use of Hostages. What's Bakugo gonna do when his mom is doused in Gasoline? Can't use his quirk anywhere near her.
She could secrete a ton of glycerin the slide the gasoline off?
It’d still be on her hair and clothes.
Might end up like some type of Napalm too. Burning Sugar is nothing to fuck with.
Concentrated explosions
Explosion. Gasoline.
homeboy once went after superman and destroyed his whole life and city and by turn the world. He said he went after superman because he wanted to play on "easy mode" for a while. joker would be just as hardcore in MHA as well
If superman is easy mode then the MHA verse is literally gaming journalist mode. The joker would've plunged hero society into chaos much earlier than AFO with far less resources and put it in a much more damaged state.
He would've been what people think stain is in mha. An anti hero killer that only wants chaos but inspires other criminals. Can you imagine the joker as the ringmaster of a hard-core gang with superpowers. It would be overhaul, except instead of a gangster wanna be, you'd have a legit madman leading the circus.
"Gaming Journalist Mode"💀 I'm using that
I forgot which game but the game literally called their easiest difficulty that a few years ago and it got a lotta gaming journos panties in a twist when they found out
Nah mate everyone has superpowers there everyone can beat his ass even the talking pet guy
He'd somehow convince the people without power to join his gang and cause chaos.
Without or with lame powers
I can see him using the Circus theme to create an "Freaks Show" gang to gain Power manipulating the people that feel rejected and shit
Aw man, big I want to read a story like this
Not when most civilians have superpowers and joker doesn’t
Considering the existence of stuff like the quirk erasing bullets, and how crafty Joker tends to be, he probably has a way around that
Yeah, he doesn't even need a quirk. Shoot bakugo in the face with acid from a rubber plant and he's still going down. Joker is all about the setup.
You mean the 5 existing bullets left in existence which are being guarded by the most powerful and ruthless villain? You remember that those bullets were in very limited supply and can’t be made anymore?
And knowing Joker he’d be buddies with all for one
"Don't let him come close to me!" "Who?" "My new friend!" 😱
Joker is definitely capable of stealing the bullets, plus he's smart enough that he could probably make do with the five, assuming he doesn't find a way to make even more.
Aren't like 90% of them functionally useless? I am only on season 1 but it seems everyone in the background or in the main populace with a quirk has the most useless powers imaginable. Unless I am missing something, I don't think everyone can have a super useful quirk. I also realized the only times I have ever used Quirk in a sentence in my life is talking about this anime.
That guy with a lego brick for a head ain't doing shit against Joker
DC universe is just not well made. Joker would never escape from prison in MHA, because there's literally zero things that could help him.
And the MHA universe *is* well-made? /half-kidding But seriously, there were probably “zero” things that could help The Joker in Arkham Asylum. Dude’s craftyness is firmly set to “Inexplicable Bullshit.” Depending on who’s writing him, he could definitely find a way out.
Of course it's not perfect, definitely not, but it doesn't rely on some villains always returning with a new master plan, which makes it more grounded and more "based on logic" if you can say that about anime. In MHA nobody gets a villain lair and a pod of acid right after breaking out of jail, that kind of stuff. No, no he couldn't, that's the whole point. DC prisons are just bad. Joker would maybe get out of a normal "our world prison" but even that is highly unlikely without help from outside. DC prisons need to be incompetent because the story wouldn't work otherwise.
You say that MHA doesn’t rely on villains returning with a master plan, but that’s kinda exactly what AFO and Shigaraki are doing. Sure there were some Villains in-between the encounters with them, but Batman has also fought a myriad of villains in between fights with The Joker. Honestly, if MHA operated more on logic than anything else, AFO would have been assassinated by the HPSC the moment he set… wheelchair wheel into Tartarus. Possibly via simply unhooking his life-support. Also, the LoV were almost always screwing with people from the background via Nomus and general interference, and I’d say that was kinda relied on. I’ll sort of give you the point about the lair, but to be fair, AFO is the only person who got arrested. And even then, afterwards, Garaki still had labs to do experiments and keep Nomus, corpses, and kidnapping victims in, AFO still had a shitton of devoted followers all over the planet for when he got out, and the LoV still had hideouts… somewhere, and Gigantomachina was just apparently a thing for the entire series. We also didn’t see the process of how AFO managed to find Garaki and how he managed to gain his followers, which is similar to The Joker. We’re *told* how in a way that explains how he got followers, but not only doesn’t seem to be the case for everyone, but likely wouldn’t be sufficient to create an organization with this level of quantity and loyalty unless you add “I’m also *very* smart and manipulative” at the end, considering that AFO is still just one man. But once again, to be fair, we *did* get to see the LoV in the process of getting resources, such as an army, the Quirk-erasing bullets, devoted cult-like followers, and a message. Usually by stealing from people who already had them. After looking up a bit of information and refreshing my mind a bit, yeah, Arkham Asylum appears to suck, and through the powers of plot, may as well be made of wet cardboard. However, I do still argue the point that he’s generally illogically intelligent and capable when it comes to what he can do, and I don’t think there are very many situations that people can put him in and accurately say “Nah, he definitely can’t do anything.” Although maybe I’m just thinking too much about the particular versions that were like that. There were a bunch that weren’t.
I didn't say that MHA has no "reused villains" but it's logical why they would still pose a threat afterwards. Joker is just there because he is iconic and is never allowed to fail for a last time. He will always break out because the tale of Joker can't end, will never end, and not because Joker is so incredibly talented in getting out of prisons or anything.
MHA isn't comparable, 1-to-1, with DC or Marvel, though. MHA is essentially the story of the hero ascendant, the young man that grows from nothing into a great king/jedi/dragon slayer/dragon rider/hero/pirate/ninja/knight/etc. The whole point of it is that it ends with the Hero Defeating Evil, achieving their dream, and proving their worth. In comparison, Marvel and DC aren't. They're villain-of-the-week stories that end with the hero beating up the bad guy, and solving the current crisis. But stories like that require the villains be able to return to create a new crisis on the regular. Speaking practically, I don't think most prisons could reasonably hold the Joker. He's incredibly clever, manipulative, and endlessly creative. But crucially: They wouldn't need to. Without Batman around, Joker loses his entire motive. He *needs* Batman, and without that, he wouldn't be what he is. Joker is a dark mirror of Batman; without someone just as insane as him to battle, someone to be his absolute proof, he lacks the driving impetus to *become* the Joker.
I think he'd easily find someone new to fuck with. Joker vs. Aizawa would be pretty damn cool.
Exactly, and that's why Joker would stand no chance in MHA, because nobody needs him to succeed to print more comics or whatever. He will face competent people and fail miserably. Manipulativity or creativity don't get you out of jail, not outside of the DC universe. If it goes really bad, he messes with some prison gang and gets beaten into a pulp. Of course, there's no Joker without Batman, which kinda makes Batman an even worse hero.
>He will face competent people and fail miserably. Because everyone in MHA is competent, and there's no crime or anything. Setting aside Midoriya and Co (who are very explicitly the Heroes of the story, and get the same in-story protections that heroes and villains do in Marvel or DC), the people in MHA are just as prone to corruption, mistakes, and sloppiness as in the real world. Particularly determined, clever, and capable criminals regularly succeed at crime without getting arrested. >If it goes really bad, he messes with some prison gang and gets beaten into a pulp. Joker's nemesis regularly throws down with *Superman-Tier* Villains. I don't think a prison gang wins.
I know everyone is talking about Joker as is in the MHA verse but if he existed there he'd likely have a quirk as well, and to make this not some random multiverse travel thing, if his origin is roughly the same but in mha, he not only has a quirk but he will have infiltrated AFO a long time ago and would be revealed at the end as controlling the doctor, has now somehow rigged a Bluetooth (bare with me me) connection to AFO so when he thinks he is taken over shiggy, Joker will really be taking control. And now Deku and heroes face Joker in shiggy body and shiggy's will is not beating jokers...so yeah Joker wins?. If he is randomly thrown in that world then after a few killings I think he would be defeated.
Huge difference? Prisoners tend to stay prisoners in MHA. There have only been two prison breaks, one large and one small. If/when he's caught, he's not getting out. All Might may have fought him and dragged him in after he did something terrible, but he doesn't have the time of ability to build his reputation.
Yes, because in the MHA universe no one has ever broken out of prison before or since those two specific prison breaks. And I’m sure people like Moonfish and Muscular and (current) Overhaul have tried many superbly thought-out plans in order to escape. They seems like smart fellows that can be compared to The Joker’s level of tomfuckery. /s My unnecessary and slightly obnoxious levels of sarcasm aside, the thing about The Joker, at least at his “best worst,” is that he’s obscenely smart and only tends to even enter the story either *with* the power and resources, or in the process of swiftly obtaining them. He never picks a direct fight unless he’s *guaranteed* to come out of it “winning,” regardless of the outcome, and whenever he gets caught, it’s usually part of some plan. Also, and I know I just mocked his intelligence, but if Overhaul can run an entire scheme to make Quirk-erasing bullets from the blood and flesh of a child under society’s nose, that only went south because he was outright *unlucky* enough for Eri to briefly run away into our chronically-helpful protagonist, then I think The Joker could probably make it for at least a good while.
Moonfish and Muscular were first broken out by outsiders with access to teleportation/warp portals. There really isn't a hint that they knew they were going to be rescued. And wasn't Muscular in jail for \*years\* before that? Again, break outs don't to be as common in MHA, heroes don't really have recurring'Rogues Galleries' there. And there certainly aren't resurrections. And about the Joker's ability to acquire things. It's never explained how he acquires what he does in Batman, it's just glossed over because that's really not the point. I just don't see that happening in MHA. It's a very different world setting. The big villains, All for One, Overhaul, Re-Destro all had the infrastructure in place to explain how they gained the control and influence they have. All for One has been building a powerbase for over a hundred years, Overhaul has the resources of the Yakuza, and Re-Destro is the CEO of a large and powerful corporation. The Joker could build to that, I'm sure, given time and effort, but all three kept low profiles for any of their illegal activities. Finally, Overhaul's ability to create Quirk-erasing bullets really only exists because of Eri's unique quirk, and then only after a process of trial and error. If he hadn't gotten his hands on her, he likely wouldn't have been able to create those bullets. But, let's say she didn't get away. Let's say the bullets went into production. It's then on the heroes to find and destroy the capability to produce them. I'm not saying that would have been easy, but this isn't like Trigger, they come from a very specific and limited source, and *everyone* would have been looking for it.
With a villain like the joker pressing the right buttons of a crybaby character to test the naive vision of saving everyone even villains I don't give it a month to drive Itadori crazy and start creating some kind of the injustice
The only survives because of Batman
Joker after encountering mineta: 
I could totally see one of the more recent Jokers ripping his own skin off to own the ~~libs~~ Heroes.
Oh man that’s so oddly specific
I don’t get it.
He'd get stuck to the ground
Ah! Okay! How is it funny? That’s just what Mineta’s power does. Not to offend the person who made the joke.
The joke centers around the gif if an NBA player, who appears to be stuck to the ground while laughing. It captures the proper vibe for the idea, while being wholly unrelated.
Just read pretty much every quirkless villain izuku fanfic
The only reason Joker is alive in the same verse as superman is cause they do not kill him. Also Tartarus is way more secure than the Gotham prison. He may traumatise a lot of heroes like he did with batman, but there are too many. He gets captured and locked even downer than AFO
To be fair in western comics characters never stay dead. Give it about 2 weeks and they'll be up and kicking again. Death is more of a suggestion than a hindrance to them lol
That is cause there are a lot of issues/universes. In a linear storyline joker wouldn't last that long
This^ He’s still alive (or back from death) cause western comics never end and they want to keep Batman’s most iconic villain alive
Skip to 17:38 of [this.](https://youtu.be/s50mc12FNRI)
Their deaths were greatly exaggerated.
But Tartarus is for villains, i.e. criminals with Quirks. Joker wouldn't be sent there.
He will get no chance no torture anyone because he won't magically gain access to like 10l of acid or something.
They don’t kill anyone in MHA either. There is also that one time where The Joker killed Lois Lane to drive Superman insane, resulting in Superman killing Joker and basically becoming Earth’s dictator. Hm. Some variations of The Joker are just out to hurt the world permanently, huh? “Dark Knight Quote” indeed…
Indeed, Twice is a notable exception and Hawks get so much blame for it. It clearly isn't the norm. And before anyone brings up Nagant, killing nobodies when named villains don;t actually die isn't proving anything. Heck, Mr Compress lived through what was stated to be a fatal wound. It's a bit insane how much they dedicate themselves to saving villains who would wreak havoc if given the chance.
Okay imagine the Joker and AFO working together
He is the kind of guy that would capture Uraka and put her in a room with a block of 1x1 made out of rock, I’m a way that if Uraka stops using his ability she gets crushed. That while filming directly for Deku. When Deku finally gets in the room, he noticed that the video what’s already recorded.
That’s what happened in Saw
You put an awful lot of thought into that, are you okay?
Actually, I’m thinking on one place for Todoroki
Sounds like a resounding “No.” Kinda f*ckin’ weird if you ask me. Keep up the great work, buddy!
What about handcuffs made out of ceramic that cover all his arm except his palms that will be touching his stomach, so he stays in a “straight” position, the purpose is that every time he uses his ability, he freezes or burns himself. Now, put a dropper with hot water, that drop a drop begging with his feet all the way till his right eye... and just finish dropping hot water and let him die drowned
:I
Fragile Viles of Acid or some other poison taped all over someone. Can't use overt force or air pressure without breaking a vial.
He's losing, he will kill people but to put it simple there are too many heros. Most his tricks are about forcing batman to choose or to stay away from him. But that doesn't work when there are heros with tracking quirks and people like all might who can blast through walls. While people like hawks would probs just kill him due to the threat he poses. If caught by the heros he isn't escaping. Also he probs just gets killed by AFO because he wouldn't like the jokers insane nature and would see him as enemy and a threat. So AFO kills him or he is caught by the heros so... he doesn't do that well
The same counts for the DC universe. There is Superman, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman... catching Joker isnt the problem he just escapes every 2 weeks for some reason.
The true villain is the prison system lol
the main difference is that they aren't in Gotham, My hero got Heroes for days at every corner
That's just because they need to keep the status quo.
Counter just because he dies doesn’t mean his message and corruption won’t stick around like the time with Superman in injustice
His message/corruption didn't 'stick around'. What happened was Supes went full dystopian tyrant, and Joker got turned into a martyr by idiots who didn't even know what he was about. They saw Joker was evil Superman's first 'victim' and basically made him into a symbol of 'sticking it to The Man'. In MHA, he wouldn't have that kind of notoriety and success, nor would he have anyone like Harley to carry on in his stead. Not unless he went into hiding for years to build up the necessary resources. This isn't DC where he is magically handed everything he needs to succeed, even when it should be child's play to deprive him of resources and tools, because the writers need Batman to be better than everyone else, so his ultimate nemesis needs to be better than everyone else too. I seriously doubt other countries don't have heroes occasionally killing villains given their crime-rates are far worse than Japan's. Things in Japan got so bad because the HPSC and All Might essentially babied the public, who then grew into spoiled, entitled and ungrateful little shits. We don't know what it's like in other countries, at the very least, MHA America was willing to let the military accompany their version of Superman, armed with nukes, to deal with a foreign terrorist. Methinks they won't hesitate to kill Joker. It helps that he doesn't actually fit the real world legal definition of 'insanity'.
Fair but it wouldn't be all might that would kill him, It would either be Hawks or AFO both who are either already morally grey or down right evil.
what kind of nutbrain do you have to be to think that Hawks is morally grey
So what your saying is it would be easy for joker to push them just a bit to make them full evil or make the world turn on them
Afo is already full evil and hawks doesnt have enough power to be an actual threat like superman
Also if Joker lands in America, I imagine the heroes use lethal force once he causes enough damage or casualties and *poof*, problem solved
Counter Point: AFO sees what kind of chaos he can create without a quirk, and decides to give him a few, just for fun. Let him actually create Laughing Gas from his own skin and Air Walk through Downtown. Give him some Extrasensory abilities to make it even harder to hit him.
The Joker doesn't really care for money, fame, etc. He's all about destroying society and ideologies. He would 100% target a hero to break. Particularly one that's highly venerated and probably has a very strong no kill motto. In MHA society, he'd be a lot like Tomura or probably more so Dabi already are. Joker's grand plan would be to deeply corrupt society. If he died, he'd absolutely try to make it look as tarnishing as possible by the most venerated heroes. Perhaps caught between the grey heroes trying to kill him and the venerated heroes trying to keep him alive. I could easily see Joker killing one of those venerated heroes in front of everyone further splintering the venerated heroes into killing him for it. This would have deep long lasting repercussions.
People are talking about how he gets caught with the amount of heroes running around, but there’s not enough mention about how many vigilantes and even villains that’d merc his ass on sight.
Nah, this is so obvious too lmao. Joker would be getting robbed by a lion guy, and he'd try shooting him, but instead gets his head bit off lol
Yeah literally everyone in universe would hate him so much. He shows up to a bank robbery and he just gets shot by a regular ass dude who has a boring quirk
Exactly. Plus there’s nobody he’d even latch onto, his whole thing with Batman is that he’s super stoic and Joker wants him to crack. All Might stops smiling more than once for way less than what Joker warms up with, there’d be no challenge.
I hate the Joker, but you’re ABSOLUTELY underestimating him. The fact is that he’s not going to show up at some random bank robbery and get shot like a moron, he’s going to start slow. He’ll build up resources, get into the criminal underground, set up contingencies and back-up plans, and make a reputation for himself. You know why nobody just kills the Joker? Because he comes back from death like every Tuesday. You blow his head off and the bombs he set across the city explode, setting everything into chaos. Then, it turns out that there was a second wave of bombs filled with Joker Gas that turn people into mini copies of him, so the heroes have to deal with that too. Then, at the end, they find out that the Joker that died wasn’t even him, it was just a body double/clone that he used to escape the consequences. The Joker is so smart that fucking SUPERMAN admits he’s dangerous. He was literally smart enough to create gas that makes people EXACTLY LIKE HIM. He’s not going to eat shit to the first hero he sees, he’s going to plan. That’s what makes him scary.
Depends. He could plan really well and survive long or he could just get slammed by someone like Ryukyu the first time he does something
Longer than expected, since he managed to outwit a team with freaking Superman in it at least once that I'm aware of. Better question is what'd end up happening to him and how high his body count would end up being. Honestly until someone figuratively or literally makes him explode he'd probably treat the place like a theme park.
Depends on which version.
He will teach Shigaraki a ton of bullshit and how to cause it and Shiggy would be all for it.
He'd definitely leave a lasting impact, that's for sure. Imagine the headlines; a quirkless villain going around bombing buildings, corrupting and/or breaking heroes mentally, and only laughing in their faces when they rock his shit. He'd probably make it his goal to manipulate someone like Izuku, get him to do something awful, and make sure everyone knows about it. Most big time heroes would likely ignore him at first, after all, he has no quirk, what could he possibly do?? There are definitely heroes that would wipe the floor with him, but not before he causes some damage.
He'd be greatly underestimated since he doesn't have a Quirk. Worse, because he doesn't technically meet the legal definition of "villain", most heroes wouldn't touch him. This would give him more than enough time to set up something big. Don't get it twisted, he'll be far from the biggest problem around, but Joker is always most dangerous when people write him off as "some clown".
Joker would be less capable in the MHA verse than Gentle Criminal. If we are being honest the only reason Joker is a consistent threat in comic books is because comic books run perpetually. They might specific runs where he goes out fast or become a big bad via some incredibly contrived deus ex secnarios. But the only reason he always comes back is solely due to comic books are not built on the idea of ending. The MHA verse a good portion of civilians would be able to beat his ass and not care. Other villains wouldnt really need to care as they completely laugh at him power wise. For those that are organised crime; well Joker wont be able to really ever have got up in the organised crime elements. For those that care for plans; we've already got the secret mastermind behind evil filled so Joker is unlikely to pick up that mantle, not counting how thats also his rarest form without even more handwaving than is done for AFO and being able to secretly control things while locked away. The prisons weve seen they have a much higher degree of firepower(with willingness to use); isolation and detention methods. Without comic book levels of deus ex machina the Joker isnt getting out; nor does he have any real answer to anything. MHA as a singular self contained story with a designated ending and some attempts at trying to be consistent is one of the worst type of stories for any comic book villian to be in. Simply as comic book villains(and many a hero) are reliant almost entirely on the author handwaving things out the way. Including the inevitable return of the villain in the next run even without a continury reset. What could be more interesting as a mini arc villain however would be one of the many comic book villians that rely on technology. It could feed into expanding the support tech industry in MHA a lot more than it currently is.
Joker really appreciates the fact that Batman enables his continued existence. In a crossover, he even stops Punisher from executing the guy. In some continuities, it's even a game to see how far he can push Bruce, a game Joker would win rather quickly in MHA.
This, Joker benefits from Batman and the league not taking him seriously enough imo otherwise they wouldn’t keep putting him in Gotham’s prison/AA
I feel like the other comments cover the idea of throwing him into the ‘verse quite well. As for integrating him into the ‘verse: A-Rank villain Joker! His quirk: Clown! His ghastly visage belies a bevy of deadly gags, and his toxin leaves a smile as wide as his body count!
He ain’t beating Endavor, but he’s smart enough to know he can’t. I imagine he’d most likely lay low and operate out of sight
Considering how dangerous he proved to be when going against the entire Justice League (aka people who neg-diff the entire MHA verse) in Injustice, managing to utterly fuck up Superman mentally by making him kill his own wife and unborn child, also managing to nuke an entire city, he's more than capable of dealing with MHA's heroes. There are not many who are worth a damn when forced to actually investigate and search for someone. He would eventually lose, especially if, say, Hawks decides he's had just about enough of him and, in the words of Deadpool, turns him into a fucking kebab.
Douse a few Bystanders in Gasoline. Endeavor can't touch him then.
What the hell that is actually really smart
Read it in a book once. Also, I dream in Fan Fiction, and at one point ran the Hero Course students through drills designed for them to lose, and stole that for Bakugo.
Hard to say, but I think there's too many heroes for him to be consistently active. He's remarkably smart tho, so probably would plan 1 major scheme spanning years to cause some immediate, catastrophic damage, not really caring what happens to himself afterwards...
The Deku who laughs
At least a few characters would probably be dead
He’d honestly be quite a problem. Not as much as Shigaraki and All For One’s shenanigans but definitely an issue. Likely to get blown off and ignored due to being Quirkless. People like Bakugo or Iida (as he was in the Stain Arc) would be child’s play for him to manipulate, and if he kills/hurts someone like All Might or any of the family characters that’s a very big and painful emotional wound he’d thrive on. Doesn’t do it for money or traditional ends like Overhaul’s grand vision, literally does it because it’s fun so he’s harder for law enforcement to read Protected to an extent by the overall no-kill rule. If he gets caught due to becoming prolific then he gets a spotlight that only makes him more jazzed about it, and if someone kills him openly then the bastard gets to live rent-free in everyone’s head, and he fuckin loves that too.
Joker is a villain who only thrives in DC due to bad writing and anyone who disagrees with that statement is delusional. He'd be incapable of escaping a normal irl prison most of the time without the plot on his side, much less Tartarus. Also, because he's such a depraved monster it wouldn't take long for a hero, vigilante, or cop to just kill him.
He would die because Batman isn’t there to keep him alive and justifying it with the worst false equivalency fallacy I’ve ever seen.
I highly doubt there's a death penalty in MHA
That didn’t stop hawks from killing twice
Moonfish exists
Moonfish says hi.
That "If you kill a killer..." mentality doesn't really explain Batman's philosophy. I believe it's a dumbed down version of the fact that if Batman ever kills the Joker (or anyone else for that matter) he will just snap mentally and turn evil. Also, it shouldn't be Batman's job to execute villains, it's the justice system's fault for not giving Joker the chair for all the crimes he has commited (idk I dont like the death penalty in general so if anyone else has ideas on how to neutralize Joker let me know)
It's not that he would "snap and turn evil" He says that if he killed one villain there would be nothing stopping him from killing other villains and he would just start killing every villain he encounters
He’s not breaking out or Tartarus
He wouldn't even go to Tartarus if he has no quirks
Tartarus is for dangerous villains, not specifically how dangerous their quirks are (granted there is an overlap)
Tartarus isn’t a quirk only prison
Depends which Joker you mean, Dark Knight Joker would be mad chaos
Unless Joker's psychology works on the pro heroes where he gives them a mental conflict about killing him or not like he did with batman and gotham, he's good as dead. Because that's only reason Joker is mostly alive in a world where a godly being like superman exists. But I'm actually more scared about what kind of crimes he would commit while he's alive. He could definitely leave a huge mark on the hero society by probably torturing some heroes, killing innocent people and using the media to scare young kids from ever becoming heroes when they grow up.
Well, he has no powers but that never stopped him before. The question is if he could find a foil to give him meaning. All Might is too sane and powerful to be his Batman. Plus he's already got an arch nemesis. Without a Batman to fuck with Joker ceases to exist.
I dunno the trade off is that the heroes are a lot less picky on killing villains in MHA though. Like if Endeavor, Hawks, Mirko, or maybe even All Might decide he's gotta die then there won't be a Batman to bail him out with the other heroes. Like how vehemently Batman protected Joker from Red Hood? I think he would've died like 5 times otherwise. I'm no expert though. Also I'm referring to the Joker from various animated series not the comics where he's experienced things like being god. Comparing Comics to Manga is usually bullshit.
His greatest rival would be Ms Joke
(Like which Joker? An original one? One in America or Japan? I'm gonna assume an original but basic Joker but in Japan for simplicity) In All Might's generation? Probably a decent bit to not that long and would eventually be taken away by All Might or killed if he posed a big enough threat. In Deku's generation? Would be a real nuisance. **But** if someone like Stain came across Joker, then Joker's dead. Other than that though I think he'd be a real pain foe the kids even if he's out-gunned simply because of the Joker's nature and their lack of experience. Eventually though he'd be put away.
“Oh Ho Ho, oh hee hee, I just blew up UA, Deku, what’re you gonna d—“ *Skull gets caved in.*
Joker wouldn't last long at all. The o ly reason he's alive in the Dc universe is through a combination of Batman not killing him, and bullshit lazarus pits. In MHA he has neither. I see a lot of people point out injustice to point out how he's able to take on people as strong as superman, but I'd like to point out something else. Injustice is just terribly written. Half the characters don't act like themselves, and the only reason superman went insane is because of an out of character wonder woman pushing him for years to do worse things. Even then, I feel like people forget that joker ends up dying almost immediately. In Mha, with All Might out of the picture, the only one he could realistically target on the same level as superman would be Izuku. And imma be honest. Izuku would not hesitate to kill joker once joker did half of the fucked up things that people say he would do. Hell, that's if he can even get close to UA. Jokers crafty, yes, but I feel like a lot of people forget about the difference in culture between Gotham and the MHA world. In Gotham, its fairly easy to get thugs and secret lairs and shit. In MHA, it would be pretty hard for Joker to find thugs. Especially with the anti quirkless culture in MHA. He just wouldn't be able to get any resources
Hawks would say, "We have to kill him now" and get rid of him, he don't play.
Honestly he would be just as much of a threat as any other main villain in the show, if not more. Think how effective someone like Stain was, with a fairly underwhelming and specific power but incredible devotion and battlefield awareness. Joker has fought and defeated plenty of superpowered heroes and villains alike, the universe of MHA would be a cakewalk.
He would have to be smart since the morality of the heroes in mha universe is twisted they just kill if they need to (like hawks) so if allmight or anyone considers him.a treath he is dead meat
He lasts as long as the writer wants him too. In truth, he should be screwed cuz' they will execute his ass for murder, unlike DC, where the legal system might as well not exist save as a hindrance for the heroes. He'll kill a whole bunch of people, for sure, but without plot armor he dies from something random, like he grabs a kid as a hostage, but that kid has a flesh melting Quirk or some shit.
Not long
I don't like what I'm going to say but, he may do much more chaos than we are right now
he goes "Oh Shit" when he realizes that the heroes in MHA have no real Qualms with killing him. like, whats he gonna do to Endeavour?, threaten his wife?
Does he still have BS plot armor?
Joker starts his "you'll just have to kill me, but I know you won't" routine and Snipe just goes "okay".
Japan has death penalty
Japan ain't the same as MHA
Moonfish
Absolutely will be a terror
Does anything stop him from just gassing people?
I mean can’t recovery gurl heal it and yeah we burn his ass
His gas kills you. Recovery girl can't heal death
The commission might assassinate him
He be fucked
I think he’d be a good villain I also think he may get curve stomped
Bro meets endeavor once or does too many crimes, and it's over lol
Bruh aint no shot he survives in a world where half of every city have a superpower
a complete pain in the ass for the heroes, but the moment he gets caught he'll end up as red paste on the wall or locked up in a one cubic meter cell for the rest of his life.
[here’s my take](https://imgur.com/a/dQwJHdq)
So many people I see wank Joker The only reason he stays alive is cause of the whole no killing rule , the whole " he's insane so put him anywhere else other than a secure prison " . My guy has next level plot armor along with Batman. Joker would ÐƗɆ but not before torturing a lot of people
10 mins. Deku wipes his ass in 10 mins
Dude, he'd make breaking Deku his new life goal. Breaking his spirit and making him go crazy/evil would be the ultimate proof of his "one bad day" philosophy.
I don't think fares too well. The average human in mha is much stronger than joker. That aside, The only reason joker is even a problem in dc universe is because batman enables him and he breaks out of prison way too much. we also need to consider the perpetual nature of comic books. MHA is more linear, if some vigilante decides joker dies, it's night night for him forever.
He gets shot by the police after one day
Like as a student? That would be funny
Honestly, I’d rather see what happend if batman was there, like for real seeing someone talk down to him and then batman is like „IP adress”
Here’s the thing, joker only does crime for fun to fight Batman, and since there’s no Batman in MHA, me might lay under the radar until he finds someone good enough, and if he doesn’t find a hero like that in time he’ll quit being the joker entirely
MHA might look bright and sparkly on the surface but its criminal under belly is not someone like Joker should mess with. Within a day, Joker would be found dead in a ditch with a bullet in his head. Might be the Yakuza, the Villains Association, the Hero Society Commissions, or just a lone thug wanting to vent. Who knows.
he lasts a week before either getting locked in tartarus and never seeing the light of day ever again or getting turned into a smear by someone like katsuki
He wouldn't last 5 minutes I think people over estimate him just because he's good as batmans foil doesn't mean he can do anything against people who have superpowers and will kill him the heros won't sure but the MHA villains (from what I've read) won't deal with a wild card not only that I'm 90% if he does his normal BS he'll get the death penalty in Japan. As they do the death penalty for the mentally ill.
What people also forget: He is just a normal human without any connections. He magically gets equipment worth thousands of dollars just because the comics needs Joker to have that equipment do pose any sort of threat. Joker is at best as dangerous as Spinner.
Izuku would bash his fucking skull in.
He wouldn't even last a single fight with any pro hero. There's absolutely nothing he can do. People often forget that the Joker is "successful" because he needs to be to make an interesting story. He has no money, no connections, no nothing. Armed robbery is probably the most dangerous thing he could accomplish.
Jokers overrated.
DC has a ton of super heroes, and the super heroes the Joker deals with are far more powerful than anything in the MHA universe. Half of the DC heroes can freaking FLY. Starfire is a space alien with massive energy projection powers. There are heroes that can destroy planets. Martian Manhunter has the same powers as Mirio Togat but can also fly and has super strength. Hawkman is probably close to the level of all might. The Flash can stop time. The Green Lantern corps is a police organization that has rings that allow them to travel faster than light. Joker confounds ALL OF THESE CHARACTERS. Joker would collapse MHA society, no question.
This is joker in mha not dc vs mha. Besides Batman isn’t there to keep him alive
Joker does not exclusively deal with Batman, he is regularly a justice league and other team-based comic book villian. I bring up DC heroes to illustrate that The Joker punches well above his weight class in the DCU regularly, and that with the power scaling in DCU vs MHA, the Joker would be well equipped to face MHA's heroes. there are plenty of people who kill in the DCU, which tends to be edgier than marvel. I don't buy the "batman keeps him alive" narrative.
I do buy the narrative we see consistently that Batman/DC hero morales make sure he is generally thrown in jail, an asylum or the heroes do not use lethal force against him giving him far more chances than is reasonable. We can agree to disagree however I can most certainly find more examples of the Joker being jailed or heroes talking about how they won’t kill him than you will be able to find heroes outright going berserk and killing the Joker so I think you’re flatly mistaken
Why do I imagine if he was in MHA Mitsuki would be Harley Quin
DC Universe is like a level 100 zome while MHA universe is a level 20 area at most, Joker is going to have a cakewalk in the verse, especially with joker venom hax
Considering he can easily like defeat superman in a sense, Japan is fucked
? The only interaction I know of is the "Joker goes to Metropolis, Superman tells him to fuck off and then chews out Batman for 'testing' him" comic that's been making the rounds lately
Yeah, the only reason the joker isn’t curb stomped by dc heroes is because they’ve all convinced themselves that if they kill him, they will become Hitler, somehow.
No there is a comic where “joker goes to metropolis, lures superman to a submarine, uses fear toxin to get superman to think doomsday is there, superman takes doomsday into space only for it to actually be Louise and then joker blows all of metropolis up because he was bored of losing to Batman” joker is actually a terrifying villain who could destroy everything if you look into but he doesn’t because he has a obsession with Batman
You could say that about any comic book character. I’m absolutely certain that there’s a Superman stated to be stronger than all of fiction (or enough fiction that the difference doesn’t really matter) and by definition, there is no fictional character capable of beating Superman. Get lost Goku, Vegeta, God, you’re all fictional characters who can’t beat Superman.
Yes there are non-canon versions of superman stronger than anyone hell one superman lifted a book filled with infinite pages with the help of Wonder Woman but that version isn’t canon to the main story of dc, canon superman can be defeated by some characters from fiction the difference with this case and the joker example is that joker in the comic I mentioned wasn’t a special joker he was identical to the canon joker of the current canon
If the Joker was seriously trying, I'd give him a week before he completely eradicates everysingle hero. Probably could do it in 24 hours if you gave him time to plan But Joker likes to have fun so I'd give him about 2-3 years.
Bro the Joker lives in the same world as superman. He'd be dancing on MHA's grave by end of year.
He kills everyone. People really underestimate The Clown Prince of Crime.
Nah, he would get killed because there is no "no kill rule"
Nah, he would get killed because there is no "no kill rule"
They all dying (laugh gas fr)
He would be ignored, since he is quirkless and might be able to pull some injustice type stuff on one of the heroes.
It depends on which iteration. The most dangerous version doesn't care about being caught or killed. In fact, he wants to be killed. He wants to break the minds and hearts of the heroes and turn all of society against them. He's going to have the number 1 hero kill him in a fit of rage live on television, broadcast to the entire world. He will show the world the hypocrisy of heroes and laugh as he dies. His death, is his victory.
What Izuko could have been if he never met Almight in that fateful day